From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 25 Nov 2002 04:14:29 -0000 Issue 556 Date: Sunday, November 24, 2002 8:15 PM krnet Digest 25 Nov 2002 04:14:29 -0000 Issue 556 Topics (messages 13340 through 13358): Triming the Canopy 13340 by: larry flesner instrument panel 13341 by: Richard Parker 13343 by: Robert Stone 13350 by: larry flesner 13352 by: Richard Parker 13353 by: Darren Pond smooth prime/sanding/dry time 13342 by: Tim Brown 13345 by: larry flesner 2003 Gathering Date 13344 by: Dan Heath Re: smooth prime dry time 13346 by: Mark Langford Re: epoxy curing temps. - Patch Wing 13347 by: ROBERT COOPER 13351 by: Dan Heath Re: Hinges / Rolled 13348 by: Phillip Matheson Re: Aircraft Spruce and Specialty 13349 by: Serge F. VIDAL Post of this week - November 24, 2002 13354 by: Dan Heath panel 13355 by: jim . synergy design Gathering 2003 13356 by: Mark Jones Re: panel/epanelbuilders 13357 by: Louis Staalberg 13358 by: Buddy & Cheryl Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 08:06:50 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Triming the Canopy Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021124080650.00899e30@mail.midwest.net> >Can I just use a jig saw with a fine tooth blade or must I use something >else. Thanks: Shotgun ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The advise Virg posted on the cutting wheel is the only way to go. Use the fiber reinforced wheels on a "Dremel" type tool. It actually melts it's way through the material and seals the edge so you should have a near "zero" possibility of it cracking. Make sure you USE EYE PROTECTION when using a cutting wheel. It throws thousands of very tiny pieces of HOT plastic out from the cut. An old hack saw blade taped firmly in place makes a good guide to start the cut. Bias the cutting wheel VERY LIGHTLY against the blade. Once the cut is started the wheel tends to follow the groove. Any type of saw blade used will leave small scratches on the edge. Those are stress points and that's where the cracks start. I got on Tim's case in my earlier post for not prereading so I guess I ought to be consistent. All this info is also in the archives. That's why it is important to make sure the "subject" line make sense when you hit "reply" and go down a different path. First thing you know you are reading e-mails with the subject "propellers" and it's talking about "seat cushions". Those are of little value in the archives because they won't search properly. O.K., I'm off my soapbox , again. :-) Have a nice day. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:48:00 +0000 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: instrument panel Message-ID: Someone sent me a link to a really nice instrument panel about 2 weeks ago. It wasnt just your run of the mill straight panel. I've lost the link and was wondering if it could be reposted. Thanks in advance Rich Parker P'bro NH _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 11:40:50 -0600 To: From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> instrument panel Message-ID: <000801c293e0$a13bbf80$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> Richard, Bring to mind the airplane you are the most used to flying and duplicate the instrument panel in your homebuilt. This is what I did. I had a Beach and I built my KR-2 panel the same and was happy with it. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Parker" To: Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 9:48 AM Subject: KR> instrument panel > Someone sent me a link to a really nice instrument panel about 2 weeks ago. > It wasnt just your run of the mill straight panel. I've lost the link and > was wondering if it could be reposted. > > Thanks in advance > > Rich Parker > P'bro NH > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:06:29 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: instrument panel Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021124170629.00895320@mail.midwest.net> At 03:48 PM 11/24/02 +0000, you wrote: >Someone sent me a link to a really nice instrument panel about 2 weeks ago. >It wasnt just your run of the mill straight panel. I've lost the link and >was wondering if it could be reposted. >Rich Parker ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Richard and other builders, When designing you panel take the time to build a paper mock-up. Spend several hours setting in the KR and mentally consider all modes of flight and keep changing the panel around till it seems right. Consider things like keeping the engine gauges together, flight instruments in logical layout, location of fuses and switches, etc. I've seen some panels that seemed like they must have come together as items were purchased with very little planning. Have the complete layout finalized before cutting the first hole and , if possible, leave some spaces for latter additions. When I built my SECOND panel I moved all the switches and engine controls (including throttle) to the left side so I wouldn't have to be switching hands on the stick (dual sticks, flying with right hand) during any phase of flight. I placed all items I considered to be of second level importance on the right side such as circuit breakers, fuel gauges, etc. There is a picture of my panel on Mark Langford's web page (krnet.org). Check it out. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:33:48 +0000 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> instrument panel Message-ID: I dont understand why people would want to fly a doublewide aircraft with their right hand yet reach across their bodies with their left to change radio freq's, transponder etc. different story in a single wide aircraft. I guess its ok if you are going to punch 1200 in the Xponder and punch holes, but on the trip I do most often, I'm talking to 5 different controllers in each direction, and NY Center around the Sparta VOR can get real busy. I've own a 172XP that I fly with my left and can easily reach all knobs with my right and will be copying that, plus a a neat little low cost ($85) "glass "cockpit" flight computer I'd like to integrate into the panel. Rich Parker P'bro NH >From: larry flesner >Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: KR> instrument panel >Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:06:29 -0600 > >At 03:48 PM 11/24/02 +0000, you wrote: > >Someone sent me a link to a really nice instrument panel about 2 weeks >ago. > >It wasnt just your run of the mill straight panel. I've lost the link and > >was wondering if it could be reposted. > >Rich Parker >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >Richard and other builders, > >When designing you panel take the time to build a paper mock-up. >Spend several hours setting in the KR and mentally consider all modes >of flight and keep changing the panel around till it seems right. >Consider things like keeping the engine gauges together, flight >instruments in logical layout, location of fuses and switches, etc. >I've seen some panels that seemed like they must have come >together as items were purchased with very little planning. Have >the complete layout finalized before cutting the first hole and >, if possible, leave some spaces for latter additions. > >When I built my SECOND panel I moved all the switches and engine >controls (including throttle) to the left side so I wouldn't have to be >switching hands on the stick (dual sticks, flying with right hand) >during any phase of flight. I placed all items I considered to be >of second level importance on the right side such as circuit breakers, >fuel gauges, etc. There is a picture of my panel on Mark Langford's >web page (krnet.org). Check it out. > >Larry Flesner > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:38:54 -0500 To: From: "Darren Pond" Subject: RE: KR> instrument panel Message-ID: OK what the neat little low cost ($85) ? Darren Pond CF-VML Taylor Mono plane almost flying. C-GGGW KR2 1835vw coming to a airport near you this spring PondHopper 2 place 2.2 turbo (building stage) Cambridge Ont Canada pond27@rogers.com -----Original Message----- From: Richard Parker [mailto:richontheroad@hotmail.com] Sent: November 24, 2002 6:34 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> instrument panel I dont understand why people would want to fly a doublewide aircraft with their right hand yet reach across their bodies with their left to change radio freq's, transponder etc. different story in a single wide aircraft. I guess its ok if you are going to punch 1200 in the Xponder and punch holes, but on the trip I do most often, I'm talking to 5 different controllers in each direction, and NY Center around the Sparta VOR can get real busy. I've own a 172XP that I fly with my left and can easily reach all knobs with my right and will be copying that, plus a a neat little low cost ($85) "glass "cockpit" flight computer I'd like to integrate into the panel. Rich Parker P'bro NH >From: larry flesner >Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: KR> instrument panel >Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:06:29 -0600 > >At 03:48 PM 11/24/02 +0000, you wrote: > >Someone sent me a link to a really nice instrument panel about 2 weeks >ago. > >It wasnt just your run of the mill straight panel. I've lost the link and > >was wondering if it could be reposted. > >Rich Parker >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >Richard and other builders, > >When designing you panel take the time to build a paper mock-up. >Spend several hours setting in the KR and mentally consider all modes >of flight and keep changing the panel around till it seems right. >Consider things like keeping the engine gauges together, flight >instruments in logical layout, location of fuses and switches, etc. >I've seen some panels that seemed like they must have come >together as items were purchased with very little planning. Have >the complete layout finalized before cutting the first hole and >, if possible, leave some spaces for latter additions. > >When I built my SECOND panel I moved all the switches and engine >controls (including throttle) to the left side so I wouldn't have to be >switching hands on the stick (dual sticks, flying with right hand) >during any phase of flight. I placed all items I considered to be >of second level importance on the right side such as circuit breakers, >fuel gauges, etc. There is a picture of my panel on Mark Langford's >web page (krnet.org). Check it out. > >Larry Flesner > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 08:31:56 -0800 (PST) To: flesner@midwest.net, Group KR NET From: Tim Brown Subject: smooth prime/sanding/dry time Message-ID: <20021124163156.69813.qmail@web40911.mail.yahoo.com> Larry, and others: Just a couple points. I did read your post in the archives, Larry, which is where I determined to sand between every coat or two to remove ridges. Others seem of a different opinion. I agree with your thoughts on sanding. No, I have not read the manual. Until people started responding, I did not know that there was a manual. I bought the stuff at AS&S and they said nothing about a manual, free or otherwise. I did not think to ask because I have never purchased paint, primer or Aeropoxy that came with a manual. Now I will get it. I read the directions on the can and your earlier post. In fact, Friday I went to Lowes to purchase the items you suggested in your earlier post. Finally, no one seems to be reading my post. It was a very simple question so I thought I could get a very simple answer. But, apparently, no one reads the words, they just interpret what they think I might be asking. The simple question was about the drying time. I found the answer myself yesterday when I applied the first 2 coats. Dry time is measured in minutes, not hours. See how simple that could have been? Rather than all the posts on a subject, as you pointed out, I read in the archives. But the archives gave no hint of dry time other than the word "fast." Tim --- I was just hoping someone had a fast > >>answer that has used UV Smooth Prime. > >>About what is the dry time between coats when > one > >>sands before the next coat? Are we talking > an > >>hour, hours, or over night? And at what temp > >>were you at when you did yours? > >>Tim > Tim, > > Never mind the archives, read the "Smooth > Prime" manual. > All these questions are answer there and more. > Your questions > indicate to me you haven't read it yet or need > to re-read it. > It only takes 15 minutes and will save you TIME > and MONEY. > Finally, if you had checked the archives I > wouldn't have had > to re-type some advise I feel I ought to share. > O.K. kids, you may go back out and play now! > > Larry Flesner > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus – Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 12:08:50 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: smooth prime/sanding/dry time Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021124120850.008c6100@mail.midwest.net> >Just a couple points. I did read your post in >the archives, Larry, which is where +++++++++++++snip++++++++++++++++++ >No, I have not read the manual. Until people >started responding, I did not know that there was >a manual. ++++++++++++++snip+++++++++++++++++++++++= >Finally, no one seems to be reading my post. It >was a very simple question so I thought I could >get a very simple answer. But, apparently, no >one reads the words, they just interpret what >they think I might be asking. >> >>Tim ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tim, I wasn't looking to start a word war, simply stating that a lot of info is already out there. Your search apparently did not bring up the post in which I wrote the following: { Last: The "Flight Gloss" manual is "no charge" in the Wicks catalog. Request one on your next order and start reading ahead. You will have a better idea of the items you will need before you start the prime process. } I'm sorry if you thought I was jumping on your case. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:08:07 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Dan Heath" Subject: 2003 Gathering Date Message-Id: <3DE13FB7.000006.01068@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_JPM312S0000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_JPM3WCW0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_JPM3WCW0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know when we can expect to know the date of the 2003 gatherin= g or who is going to make the decision, so I can bug them? =0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_JPM3WCW0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anyone know when we can expect to know the date of the 2003 gat= hering or who is going to make the decision, so I can bug them? 
 

DanRH@KR-Builder.org

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Daniel R= =2E Heath

See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder= =2Eorg  Click on the Pic.

See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

 

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<= A href=3D"http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=3D309&lang=3D9">= 3D""  IncrediMail - Email has= finally evolved - = Click Here --------------Boundary-00=_JPM3WCW0000000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_JPM312S0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 12:34:59 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> smooth prime dry time Message-ID: <019d01c293e8$324abdd0$0100a8c0@TD310> Tim, I think the reason there might have been a bit of "attitude" in the replies is because you started your original inquiry with: > Hi all: And no, I didn't check the archives > first. I was just hoping someone had a fast > answer that has used UV Smooth Prime. It only takes a few minutes to check the archives, but can take hours to get a few replies from KRnetters. No big deal though. I didn't answer because I didn't really know, despite having used over a gallon of the stuff, some as recently as last weekend. I just put all the coats on and come back tomorrow and it's dry. It's a beautiful day here, and I've been sanding outside in the 60 degree sun, no wind, and will shoot urethane primer shortly... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:28:07 -0500 To: "krnet" From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Re: KR> epoxy curing temps. - Patch Wing Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C293C5.B542F5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick Halogen lights work very nicely for curing epoxy Jack Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Wilson Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:45 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> epoxy curing temps. - Patch Wing Thanks Dan, I would wait for warmer weather but I can't stand looking at the hole til then. Thanks again, Rick. rwdw2002@yahoo.com =20 =20 --- Dan Heath wrote: > Yes, aim a heat lamp at it and it will cure in about > 6 hours. I do small > areas like that all the time. In fact I have just > cured the area where I > put in the trim servo this week. > =20 > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > See ya in Red Oak --- 2003, > =20 > Daniel R. Heath > =20 > See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the > Pic. > =20 > See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG > =20 > =20 > -------Original Message------- > =20 > From: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Date: Friday, November 22, 2002 04:02:22 PM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> epoxy curing temps. > =20 > Hi all, Today I managed to make myself really sick. > I > was pulling my kr2 out of the garage and let the > wing > attach fitting hit the left wing punching a hole > about > 2-1/2 inches in the wingskin. My question is if I > patch the hole and heat the place locally while it > cures, will it bond properly with the surrounding > area? The high temp. is only supposed to be in the > mid > fifties where I live for the next few days. Opinions > will be appreciated. Thanks, Rick Wilson. > rwdw2002@yahoo.com KR2-0200 Mounted the wings > anyway. > =20 > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus =E2=80=93 Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > =20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > =20 > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =20 > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > =20 > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > =20 > . =20 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus =E2=80=93 Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =20 For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C293C5.B542F5E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:36:43 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> epoxy curing temps. - Patch Wing Message-Id: <3DE18CBB.000009.01068@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_7X14MY50000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_8X14H890000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_8X14H890000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since we had been discussing curing times and temps, I carefully read the PolyFiber Super Fil specifications. It says that cure at 77 takes 8 hour= s and 12 hours to sand. So, I kept the heat lamps on all night and the nex= t day, it was ready to sand. However, I forgot about a small amount I had = put on the outside of the fuselage. It could also be sanded and was not kept warm. It also says that the pot life is 1 hour at 77, but 1 hour is real= ly streching it at 65.=0D =0D One other thing, why do we all build the wings right after getting the fuselage together? Then they sit around for 5 to 10 or more years gettin= g this kind of hangar rash. Also, we then have to negotiate the wing stubs trying not to kneel in the wrong place, during the rest of the building process. Would it not make much more sense to build them last, and then = for those who never finish, they would never have had to deal with that and t= he purchaser of their unfinished project would not have to wonder if they wi= ll hold up and what they look like on the inside.=0D =0D Oh, and one more thing. Patching anything is an undesireable solution. = I know that I suggest it and even do it, but to start off patching, is to s= et a precedent for the rest of the project. Every patch adds weight, and in some cases compromises the strength of the part. Think hard and long bef= ore deciding to patch rather than to start over and do it right the next time= =2E=0D =0D And maybe I will see you in Red Oak, if we ever find out when it is going= to be. This time last year, I already had my reservations.=0D =0D Post of this week coming later.=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:34:57 AM=0D To: krnet=0D Subject: Re: KR> epoxy curing temps. - Patch Wing=0D =0D Rick=0D Halogen lights work very nicely for curing epoxy=0D Jack Cooper=0D =0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: Rick Wilson=0D Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:45 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: KR> epoxy curing temps. - Patch Wing=0D =0D Thanks Dan, I would wait for warmer weather but I=0D can't stand looking at the hole til then. Thanks=0D again, Rick. rwdw2002@yahoo.com =0D =0D --- Dan Heath wrote:=0D > Yes, aim a heat lamp at it and it will cure in about=0D > 6 hours. I do small=0D > areas like that all the time. In fact I have just=0D > cured the area where I=0D > put in the trim servo this week.=0D > =0D > DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D > See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D > =0D > Daniel R. Heath=0D > =0D > See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the=0D > Pic.=0D > =0D > See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D > =0D > =0D > -------Original Message-------=0D > =0D > From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D > Date: Friday, November 22, 2002 04:02:22 PM=0D > To: krnet@mailinglists.org=0D > Subject: KR> epoxy curing temps.=0D > =0D > Hi all, Today I managed to make myself really sick.=0D > I=0D > was pulling my kr2 out of the garage and let the=0D > wing=0D > attach fitting hit the left wing punching a hole=0D > about=0D > 2-1/2 inches in the wingskin. My question is if I=0D > patch the hole and heat the place locally while it=0D > cures, will it bond properly with the surrounding=0D > area? The high temp. is only supposed to be in the=0D > mid=0D > fifties where I live for the next few days. Opinions=0D > will be appreciated. Thanks, Rick Wilson.=0D > rwdw2002@yahoo.com KR2-0200 Mounted the wings=0D > anyway.=0D > =0D > __________________________________________________=0D > Do you Yahoo!?=0D > Yahoo! Mail Plus =E2=80=93 Powerful. Affordable. Sign up=0D > now.=0D > http://mailplus.yahoo.com=0D > =0D >=0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org ,=0D > NOT "reply all"=0D > =0D > To UNsubscribe, e-mail:=0D > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D > For additional commands, e-mail:=0D > krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D > =0D > See the KRNet archives at=0D > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D > =0D > . =0D =0D =0D __________________________________________________=0D Do you Yahoo!?=0D Yahoo! Mail Plus =E2=80=93 Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.=0D http://mailplus.yahoo.com=0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------Boundary-00=_8X14H890000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Since we had been discussing curing times and temps, I carefully rea= d the PolyFiber Super Fil specifications.  It says that cu= re at 77 takes 8 hours and 12 hours to sand.  So, I kept the he= at lamps on all night and the next day, it was ready to sand.  = However, I forgot about a small amount I had put on the outside of the fu= selage.  It could also be sanded and was not kept warm.  It als= o says that the pot life is 1 hour at 77, but 1 hour is really streching = it at 65.
 
One other thing, why do we all build the wings right after gett= ing the fuselage together?  Then they sit around for 5 to 10 or more= years getting this kind of hangar rash.  Also, we then have to= negotiate the wing stubs trying not to kneel in the wrong place, during = the rest of the building process.  Would it not make much more sense= to build them last, and then for those who never finish, they would neve= r have had to deal with that and the purchaser of their unfinished p= roject would not have to wonder if they will hold up and what they l= ook like on the inside.
 
Oh, and one more thing.  Patching anything is an undesireable s= olution.  I know that I suggest it and even do it, but to start= off patching, is to set a precedent for the rest of the project.  E= very patch adds weight, and in some cases compromises the strength of the= part.  Think hard and long before deciding to patch rather tha= n to start over and do it right the next time.
 
And maybe I will see you in Red Oak, if we ever find out when i= t is going to be.  This time last year, I already had my reservation= s.
 
Post of this week coming later.
 

DanRH@KR-Builder.org

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Daniel R= =2E Heath

See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder= =2Eorg  Click on the Pic.

See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: Sunday, Nove= mber 24, 2002 11:34:57 AM
To: krnet
Subject: Re: KR>= ; epoxy curing temps. - Patch Wing
 
Rick
Halogen lights work very nicely for curing epoxy=
Jack Cooper

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Wilson<= BR>Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:45 PM
To: KRnet@mailinglists.org
Subject: Re: KR> epo= xy curing temps. - Patch Wing

Thanks Dan, I would wait for warmer = weather but I
can't stand looking at the hole til then. Thanks
agai= n, Rick. rwdw2002@yahoo.com
--- Dan Heath <danrh@alltel.n= et> wrote:
> Yes, aim a heat lamp at it and it will cure in = about
> 6 hours. I do small
> areas like that all the time. I= n fact I have just
> cured the area where I
> put in the trim= servo this week.
>
> DanRH@KR-Builder.org
> See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,
> > Daniel R. Heath
>
> See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the
> Pic.
&= gt;
> See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG
>
>
> -------Original Mes= sage-------
>
> From: KRnet@mailinglists.org
> Date: Friday, November 22, 2002 04= :02:22 PM
> To: krnet@mai= linglists.org
> Subject: KR> epoxy curing temps.
> > Hi all, Today I managed to make myself really sick.
> I
&g= t; was pulling my kr2 out of the garage and let the
> wing
> = attach fitting hit the left wing punching a hole
> about
> 2-= 1/2 inches in the wingskin. My question is if I
> patch the hole an= d heat the place locally while it
> cures, will it bond properly wi= th the surrounding
> area? The high temp. is only supposed to be in= the
> mid
> fifties where I live for the next few days. Opin= ions
> will be appreciated. Thanks, Rick Wilson.
> rwdw2002@yahoo.com KR2-0200 Mounted the w= ings
> anyway.
>
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<= A href=3D"http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=3D309&lang=3D9">= 3D""  IncrediMail - Email has= finally evolved - = Click Here --------------Boundary-00=_8X14H890000000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_7X14MY50000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 07:43:55 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Hinges / Rolled Message-ID: <004c01c293fa$368220c0$9896dccb@Matheson> You know me. I'd use the best, and feel good about paying for it, especially if I was only going to use a few feet of it, say in sets of three or four per aileron. Are you sure the Cessna hinges are rolled rather than extruded? ----------------------------------------- Mark, Those drawings I sent you , of the Australian Dept approved KR controls, lists the rolled hinge as the standard part. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 See our VW engines at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:03:50 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: Re: KR> Aircraft Spruce and Specialty Message-ID: <00ef01c293fd$240c73c0$1d0127c4@co.za> Bob, Aircraft Spruce has got a representative in South Africa, but that's about it! And the market is definitely too small to open a store. So, I'm trying to organize group purchases on a regular basis with the local EAA chapters. As far as the KR2 is concerned, there definitely was, once upon a time, a KR2 business here in Souh Africa, and some parts can still be found. But I'm afraid this is now history. Serge Vidal ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Stone To: ; Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:36 PM Subject: Re: KR> Aircraft Spruce and Specialty > Serge, > Why not suggest to Aircraft Spruce and Specialty that they open a store > in South Africa. I was a friend of the late Ken Rand when he was alive and > he had a branch of his business there and may still. There are many > builders of experiential aircraft in your part of the world and you might > point this out to them. Also point out to them, because of the cost of > overseas shipping being delimited, a store in South Africa might do very > well. > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX > rstone4@hot.rr.com > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Serge Vidal" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:09 AM > Subject: KR> Aircraft Spruce and Specialty > > > > A few months ago, I was among the Netters who complained about some bad > > experiences they got from Aircraft Spruce. In my case, it was about an > > engine tachometer of the wrong type. > > Well, I am very pleased to tell you that Aircraft Spruce contacted me > > afterwards, and attended the problem, which is now solved. > > > > For us homebuilders living in South Africa, Aircraft Spruce is by far the > > best source of aircraft goodies, if only because of how much choice their > > catalogue offers. The drawbacks are shipping costs, and customs > formalities. > > > > For my fellow South African netters: I am trying to organize a group order > > from Aircraft Spruce on a regular basis. How many people would be > > interested? > > > > Serge Vidal > > KR2 ZS-WEC > > Johannesburg, South Africa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:49:54 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Dan Heath" Cc: , "Rick Collins" Subject: Post of this week - November 24, 2002 Message-Id: <3DE19DE1.00000E.01068@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_6B54XFP0000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_6B54SPT1VA4000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_6B54SPT1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I thought you might like to see what we use to turn our plane. =0D =0D Sometime ago there were inquiries about the Diehl gear leg fairings. The= re are some good pictures of those installed and finished to prime.=0D =0D See Post of This week at http://kr-builder.org/WeeksPost/index.html=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_6B54SPT1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Well, I thought you might like to see what we use to turn our = plane. 
 
Sometime ago there were inquiries about the Diehl gear leg fairings.=   There are some good pictures of those installed and finished to pr= ime.
 
 

DanRH@KR-Builder.org

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Daniel R= =2E Heath

See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder= =2Eorg  Click on the Pic.

See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

 

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<= A href=3D"http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=3D309&lang=3D9">= 3D""  IncrediMail - Email has= finally evolved - = Click Here --------------Boundary-00=_6B54SPT1VA4000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_6B54XFP0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:14:01 -0800 To: From: "jim @ synergy design" Subject: panel Message-ID: <001d01c29428$531b5ca0$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C293E5.43A0CA00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those that don't (or can't) remember, for laying out your panel , go = to epanelbuilder.com (If I am incorrect in the address, feel free to = correct me). Free site, has a kr panel(outline) in their library , has = actual pics of insturments, avionics,switches,etc. Jim ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C293E5.43A0CA00-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:45:53 -0600 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Gathering 2003 Message-ID: <00cb01c29424$64286e60$e3511f41@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C293F2.194ADAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is the link for the gathering. It will answer all your questions = Dan. http://www.krgathering.org/ Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_00C8_01C293F2.194ADAE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:51:50 -0700 To: , "jim @ synergy design" From: "Louis Staalberg" Subject: Re: KR> panel/epanelbuilders Message-ID: <000901c2942d$b1f8b1a0$0200a8c0@toshiba> This seems to be a bum address. I could not get it, even Google could not find it. Sure would like you to take some extra effort to find the correct address as I could sure use that information. Regards, Louis Staalberg N9FL@cybertrails.com Payson, Arizona ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:15:17 -0800 To: , "Louis Staalberg" , "jim @ synergy design" From: "Buddy & Cheryl" Subject: Re: KR> panel/epanelbuilders Message-ID: <027701c29439$43477b40$1e02a8c0@WorkGroup> ------=_NextPart_000_0274_01C293F6.3494CC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Louis, I found it at the address below. Bud Midkiff Lynnwood, WA http://epanelbuilder.com/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Louis Staalberg=20 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org ; jim @ synergy design=20 Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 6:51 PM Subject: Re: KR> panel/epanelbuilders This seems to be a bum address. I could not get it, even Google could not find it. Sure would like you to take some extra effort to find the correct = address as I could sure use that information. Regards, Louis Staalberg N9FL@cybertrails.com Payson, Arizona --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org=20 For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------=_NextPart_000_0274_01C293F6.3494CC80-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************