From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 7 Dec 2002 18:36:58 -0000 Issue 567 Date: Saturday, December 07, 2002 10:37 AM krnet Digest 7 Dec 2002 18:36:58 -0000 Issue 567 Topics (messages 13597 through 13613): Re: Please Donate the Newsletter 13597 by: RCTRVLR.aol.com 13600 by: Robert Stone 13607 by: Larry A. Capps 13608 by: Ron Eason 13610 by: Ron Eason Re: Inspection holes 13598 by: Dan Heath Re: My thanks to Larry for taking the Newsletter from Monte and creating the CD 13599 by: Dan Heath Cable routing through Diehl landing gear. 13601 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout 13604 by: RCTRVLR.aol.com Re: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1873969341: NIB!- FALCON GAGE ... 13602 by: Kr2dream.aol.com 13603 by: gleone Re: Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC 13605 by: Krister Wikstrom 13611 by: Ron Eason pics of 0200 13606 by: Rick Wilson 13609 by: Rick Wilson TET, Lawsuits, WAY OFF TOPIC 13612 by: Frank Ross 13613 by: Ron Thomas Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 02:12:14 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: RCTRVLR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter Message-ID: --part1_b7.2b0ff531.2b22f94e_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="b7.2b0ff531_alt_bound" --b7.2b0ff531_alt_bound Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This sounds like a cat fight, I have only been around airports and planes for about two years now. It seems that nobody makes a real "living" out of this sport, I am new to this sport, yes sport, this is a sport, get used to it. We spend money we will never get back. The KR2 news letter is going by the wayside, why? Because of the internet. It is probably going die, let it die. There is so much free information here that we need a newsletter. Lets just chat and be informational. Can`t we just all get along. Like I said I am new and will probably get lambasted. Thanks Ray --b7.2b0ff531_alt_bound Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This sounds like a cat fight, I have only been around airports and planes for about two years now. It seems that nobody makes a real "living" out of this sport, I am new to this sport, yes sport, this is a sport, get used to it. We spend money we will never get back. The KR2 news letter is going by the wayside, why? Because of the internet. It is probably going die, let it die. There is so much free information here that we need a newsletter. Lets just chat and be informational. Can`t we just all get along. Like I said I am new and will probably get lambasted. Thanks

Ray --b7.2b0ff531_alt_bound-- --part1_b7.2b0ff531.2b22f94e_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:48:50 -0600 To: From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter Message-ID: <002701c29df7$5fb55f00$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C29DC5.14B639C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ray, You may be new to the sport but you are right as rain. The KRNet = is for the exchange of information about the KR series aircraft not for = two members who have a disagreement. All of their remarks to each other = should have been off net and they know it. If either one of them want = to blast me for what I have said, they can have at it because I couldn't = care less. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RCTRVLR@aol.com=20 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=20 Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:12 AM Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter This sounds like a cat fight, I have only been around airports and = planes for about two years now. It seems that nobody makes a real = "living" out of this sport, I am new to this sport, yes sport, this is a = sport, get used to it. We spend money we will never get back. The KR2 = news letter is going by the wayside, why? Because of the internet. It is = probably going die, let it die. There is so much free information here = that we need a newsletter. Lets just chat and be informational. Can`t we = just all get along. Like I said I am new and will probably get = lambasted. Thanks Ray ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C29DC5.14B639C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:27:41 -0600 To: "KR Builders List $E-mail$" From: "Larry A. Capps" Cc: Subject: Please Donate the Newsletter Message-ID: <002101c29e0d$90d5cf50$0200a8c0@schpankme> Don Blankenship, I for one cannot believe the lies and innuendos you have brought to this public forum. I have giving you the chance alone, to buy the rights to the KR Newsletter, which includes all CD sells and you have not taken me up on my offer. Don, what do you mean when you use against me the eight remarks below: 1.) You ignored every suggestion from all sources on how to re-start subscriptions. 2.) Your procrastinating, your excuses, your early recognition that you weren't going to be able to afford an office and staff in New York to do the actual work, and your backing out is what prevents there being a newsletter. 3.) We also are not all as ignorant as you assume about the deal you made to purchase it, so I’d pull the lips back a little if I were you. 4.) But, it appears from your message, you’ll hold the letter for ransom with any line people might believe. 5.) before you started to show your true colors. 6.) Before you tighten your own noose 7.) It takes a special person, and no one blames you for not being that person 8.) give the publishing end away to someone not expecting to make a nice living off it Don, why have you made such outrageous claims against me? - having never met me - having never subscribed to the KR newsletter - having never submitted an article or picture to me for newsletter It therefore must be understood that you don't support the KR Newsletter, what right do you have to damage me in public forum in hopes of keeping potential customers from purchasing from me, for reason only known to you. It must also be understood Don, that at no time was anyone's check cashed with regards to the KR Newsletter, and many people suggested I keep their checks whether the newsletter was published or not, and many people sent me or offered me additional monies to help with the publishing costs which I gratefully declined. Don, there is also one more question you can elect to answer for this public forum (KRNet) since it was you Don which fired the first shot. When the KR Newsletter rights were offered for sale, on the KRNet, why is it Don, that you did not buy it, if it troubled you so much that I would own it or anyone else for that matter, why Don didn't you buy it? Merry Christmas, Larry A. Capps KR Newsletter Naperville, IL mailto:lacapps@attbi.com -----Original Message----- From: Donald Blankenship [mailto:dgb@usa.com] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 11:10 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter Larry, You and I know from our close correspondence that the way you found me was from my past newsletter articles. You also know I volunteered to be a regular contributor to the newsletter if you had ever published it. You ignored every suggestion from all sources on how to re-start subscriptions. You never attempted to publish even one (1) issue, even for those who already paid you. Your procrastinating, your excuses, your early recognition that you weren't going to be able to afford an office and staff in New York to do the actual work, and your backing out is what prevents there being a newsletter. We also are not all as ignorant as you assume about the deal you made to purchase it, so I’d pull the lips back a little if I were you. But, it appears from your message, you’ll hold the letter for ransom with any line people might believe. I kept all of my prior messages to you private to see if you would really do something positive. Your CD sales are a worthy cause. If you want people to know the whole truth, just give me permission here to broadcast every message uncut that was sent between you and I last summer before you started to show your true colors. Before you tighten your own noose (remember them CDs), recognize that I said I didn't blame you. The newsletter is hard work, and it is the essentially non-profit end. It takes a special person, and no one blames you for not being that person, but try selling it elsewhere. However, if you ever meant a single word about "saving" it, give the publishing end away to someone not expecting to make a nice living off it. Don Blankenship ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:44:29 -0600 To: , From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter Message-ID: <000e01c29e0f$e9c2a1e0$d9dc1f41@Administration> A men Larry. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry A. Capps" To: "KR Builders List (E-mail)" Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:41 PM Subject: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter > Mr. Don Blankenship, et al, > > You speak so eloquently for others, maybe the actual term used should be > hypocrite. Not only did you NOT support the newsletter, but now you'd like > to gripe and point fingers and ridicule those willing to put the money up > and at least make the effort. People like you are exactly why the > newsletter has died, what can one do without support. > > Its not about money Don, it's about articles to be written; without adequate > subscribers there is no resources to pull from and no news or articles to > print. > > I do however giggle slightly at your attitude towards the newsletter effort, > that is to say, you not only want to complain about who produces the > newsletter, you'd also like someone else to pay for your copy of the > newsletter. > > Here's how we can solve your little problem Don. If my purchasing of the KR > Newsletter bothers you that much, I'd be happy to disclose to you a sale > price, to purchase it. You can buy the newsletter from me and donate it to > whom ever you desire. And Don, you'll be able to make that decision on your > own, not for someone else. > > What do you think, Don? > > Larry A. Capps > KR Newsletter > Naperville, IL > mailto:lacapps@attbi.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donald Blankenship [mailto:dgb@usa.com] > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 > Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter > > Now that the newsletter has been put "on hold," reality must sink in. > > If the newsletter is eventually to be published again, > it needs such a devoted and unselfish person to assume > the responsiblities -- someone who really wants to make a try at it. > > What do you think, Larry? > > If you truly saved the newsletter, this idea should appeal to you. > > Don Blankenship > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:06:43 -0600 To: , "Mark Langford" From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter Message-ID: <001c01c29e13$04591770$d9dc1f41@Administration> When the KRnet started years ago, I remember that the people who started it had a attitude. The attitude was, as I perceived it, lets put the News letter out of business, after all email is the future, almost everyone agreed. Am I wrong? I don't see why they did not work with the KRNew Letter owner at that time. Monte, I think would have cooperated if he perceived a cooperative attitude, I believe. Anyway that's the past. Why not work with Larry in the same attitude of cooperation? Let him contribute, and lets all support him? I for one, see value in both efforts, each has its advantages. Not everyone is connected to the net. Do they not matter or are the not in our family of KR builders? Its up to each one of you on the net, or maybe like Mark, you have made your decision. KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:56 PM Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter > Don Blankenship wrote: > > >This is not a nomination, but Mark Langford is such a person. > > I appreciate that, but I think I'll pass on that job! The Newsletter has > been fading for years, and the truth of the matter is that KRnet had a > substantial hand at killing it. Why wait for a piece of paper to arrive > once a month (or two) when you can get instant answers and loads of building > details from 10 different points of view in a matter of hours? Larry will > tell you that I told him privately (right after he bought it) that he ought > to just let it die right then, and save himself the agony of trying to > revive it. I was hoping nobody would buy the thing at all, and we NetHeads > could buy it for a song as Monte was headed for the EAA. > > It's demise was inevitable anyway, in my humble opinion. I think what needs > to happen is that it evolve into an electronic format, complete with color > photos, links, and detailed articles, and published free and online as a > service to other builders. That leaves the previous subscribers who didn't > have internet connections "out in the cold", but I don't think we're talking > about many people at all. If he only got 70 people to re-up their > subscriptions, I'll bet 3/4 of them were KRnetters (and I'll bet he could > answer that one for us), so maybe 20 guys who really needed it are now > without the Newsletter. > > Brian Bland (of Area 51 fame) has volunteered to take the Online version and > print and mail it out to those guys who still want it (although he might > reconsider if he knows it's only for 20 people!). The rest of us wouldn't > feel guilty about NOT supporting the Newsletter, and in fact could channel > our energy into churning out useful articles that we could ALL learn from, > online or offline, worldwide. Those who have no internet connection would > still be out their usual cost, of course, to cover printing and mailing. > I'll bet we could talk Larry out of a recent subscription list, to let the > old subscribers know about KROnline and how to order it, and keep everybody > happy. I'll be happy to "edit" the thing, but will try to do nothing more > than stick the articles that are submitted together and post them on > www.krnet.org and forward them to Brian for mailing (if we go that far). > > Any comments are welcome... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:29:54 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Inspection holes Message-Id: <3DF205E2.000001.01052@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_UX6RQL80000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_VX6RLVC0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_VX6RLVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you want inspection holes, make inspection holes. That is also one of the concerns that I have with the Diehl set up. You cannot see it once t= he wing is closed back up. The Grove and comparable installations are alway= s visible.=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:08:29 PM=0D To: kr2cooper@msn.comkrnetmailinglists.org=0D Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> Landing gear=0D =0D That was one of my solutions almost, I was thinking about mounting the gear on a piece of wood about an inch behind the spar and drill a hole th= ru the wood and coat the cable for any rubbing that might occur, if any, I would work the controls before sealing the wing and check for any rubbing= or chaffing. =0D The one thing that I do not like about the KR planes is that they have= no inspection holes to see any ware on the control wires or any lose nuts or bolts. I would like to see a more aggressive maintenance schedule for the= se planes.=0D =0D Ray=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_VX6RLVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If you want inspection holes, make inspection holes. That is a= lso one of the concerns that I have with the Diehl set up. You cann= ot see it once the wing is closed back up. The Grove and comparable= installations are always visible.

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Daniel R= =2E Heath - Lexington, SC

See our KR2 at: ht= tp://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.

See our EAA Chapte= r 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

KR Purchasing Info at= : http://fly-kr.= com

-------Original Message-------

From: KRnet@mailinglists.org

Date: Friday, Dece= mber 06, 2002 10:08:29 PM

To: kr2cooper@msn.comkrnetmailing= lists.org

Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org

Subject: KR> La= nding gear

That was one of my solutions almost, I = was thinking about mounting the gear on a piece of wood about an inch beh= ind the spar and drill a hole thru the wood and coat the cable for any ru= bbing that might occur, if any, I would work the controls before sealing = the wing and check for any rubbing or chaffing.
The one = thing that I do not like about the KR planes is that they have no inspect= ion holes to see any ware on the control wires or any lose nuts or bolts.= I would like to see a more aggressive maintenance schedule for these pla= nes.

Ray

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IncrediMail - Email has= finally evolved - = Click Here --------------Boundary-00=_VX6RLVC0000000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_UX6RQL80000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:49:31 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR>My thanks to Larry for taking the Newsletter from Monte and creating the CD Message-Id: <3DF20A7B.000004.01052@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_JU7RBHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_KU7R6RO0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_KU7R6RO0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Larry,=0D =0D Thanks again. I have not ordered the CD, but I am very glad that it is there for others to get. Jerry has it, so I have that resource if needed= =2E =0D =0D I am with Mark, let it die. I did not subscribe, because I don't like to get nor do I spend time reading stuff I get in the mail. I get my chapte= r newsletter in e-mail. =0D =0D I am gratefull to you for getting it from that scavenger and appreciate y= our doing it.=0D =0D Don, be nice.=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Friday, December 06, 2002 07:40:22 PM=0D To: KR Builders List $E-mail$=0D Subject: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter=0D =0D Mr. Don Blankenship, et al,=0D =0D You speak so eloquently for others, maybe the actual term used should be=0D hypocrite. Not only did you NOT support the newsletter, but now you'd lik= e=0D to gripe and point fingers and ridicule those willing to put the money up= =0D and at least make the effort. People like you are exactly why the=0D newsletter has died, what can one do without support.=0D =0D Its not about money Don, it's about articles to be written; without adequ= ate=0D subscribers there is no resources to pull from and no news or articles to= =0D print.=0D =0D I do however giggle slightly at your attitude towards the newsletter effo= rt,=0D that is to say, you not only want to complain about who produces the=0D newsletter, you'd also like someone else to pay for your copy of the=0D newsletter.=0D =0D Here's how we can solve your little problem Don. If my purchasing of the = KR=0D Newsletter bothers you that much, I'd be happy to disclose to you a sale=0D price, to purchase it. You can buy the newsletter from me and donate it t= o=0D whom ever you desire. And Don, you'll be able to make that decision on yo= ur=0D own, not for someone else.=0D =0D What do you think, Don?=0D =0D Larry A. Capps=0D KR Newsletter=0D Naperville, IL=0D mailto:lacapps@attbi.com=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: Donald Blankenship [mailto:dgb@usa.com]=0D Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002=0D Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate the Newsletter=0D =0D Now that the newsletter has been put "on hold," reality must sink in.=0D =0D If the newsletter is eventually to be published again,=0D it needs such a devoted and unselfish person to assume=0D the responsiblities -- someone who really wants to make a try at it.=0D =0D What do you think, Larry?=0D =0D If you truly saved the newsletter, this idea should appeal to you.=0D =0D Don Blankenship=0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_KU7R6RO0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Larry,

Thanks again. I have not ordered the CD, but I am very glad th= at it is there for others to get. Jerry has it, so I have that reso= urce if needed.

I am with Mark, let it die. I did not subscribe, because I don= 't like to get nor do I spend time reading stuff I get in the mail.&= nbsp; I get my chapter newsletter in e-mail.

I am gratefull to you for getting it from that scavenger and ap= preciate your doing it.

Don, be nice.

DanRH@KR-Builder.org

-------Original Message-------

From: KRnet@mailinglists.org

Date: Friday, Dece= mber 06, 2002 07:40:22 PM

To: KR Builders List $E-mail$

Subject: KR> Pl= ease Donate the Newsletter

Mr. Don Blankenship, et al,

You speak so eloquent= ly for others, maybe the actual term used should be
hypocrite. Not onl= y did you NOT support the newsletter, but now you'd like
to gripe and = point fingers and ridicule those willing to put the money up
and at le= ast make the effort. People like you are exactly why the
newsletter ha= s died, what can one do without support.

Its not about money Don, = it's about articles to be written; without adequate
subscribers there = is no resources to pull from and no news or articles to
print.

= I do however giggle slightly at your attitude towards the newsletter effo= rt,
that is to say, you not only want to complain about who produces t= he
newsletter, you'd also like someone else to pay for your copy of th= e
newsletter.

Here's how we can solve your little problem Don. = If my purchasing of the KR
Newsletter bothers you that much, I'd be ha= ppy to disclose to you a sale
price, to purchase it. You can buy the n= ewsletter from me and donate it to
whom ever you desire. And Don, you'= ll be able to make that decision on your
own, not for someone else.
What do you think, Don?

Larry A. Capps
KR Newsletter
Na= perville, IL
mailto:lacapps@attbi= =2Ecom

-----Original Message-----
From: Don= ald Blankenship [mailto:dgb@usa.com]Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002
Subject: Re: KR> Please Donate th= e Newsletter

Now that the newsletter has been put "on hold," reali= ty must sink in.

If the newsletter is eventually to be published a= gain,
it needs such a devoted and unselfish person to assume
the re= sponsiblities -- someone who really wants to make a try at it.

Wha= t do you think, Larry?

If you truly saved the newsletter, this ide= a should appeal to you.

Don Blankenship

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To post to the = list, email: krnet@mailinglists= =2Eorg , NOT "reply all"

To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.o= rg
For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org

See the KRNet ar= chives at http://ww= w.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp
or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files

.

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IncrediMail - Email has= finally evolved - = Click Here --------------Boundary-00=_KU7R6RO0000000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_JU7RBHK0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:19:42 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: Cable routing through Diehl landing gear. Message-ID: <20021207.101943.2660.0.klw1953@juno.com> I don't know who started the discussion about routing the aileron cables through the Diehl landing gear rather than doing the pulley watusi around it but I can say I ran my cables directly through the landing gear bracket and the gear leg as well. This is the only way to go in my humble opinion since it is the more direct route. I mounted a nylon cable fair lead so the cable would stay centered as it moved back and forth through the gear assembly on both sides. I now have about 75 hrs on my 2S and made the usual hard or bumpy landings till I got landings down pat with no apparent weakening of the gear assy. I really thought this approach seemed a more practical solution after viewing the drawings that came with the gear assy.-------------Dam cold in Pa. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:44:12 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: RCTRVLR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Cable routing through Diehl landing gear. Message-ID: <4d.287e6f16.2b23714c@aol.com> --part1_4d.287e6f16.2b23714c_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="4d.287e6f16_alt_bound" --4d.287e6f16_alt_bound Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That sounds like a great idea, if you have any pics of your cable through the gear I would appreciate if you could send me some. Thanks Damn cold here in Michigan also. Ray --4d.287e6f16_alt_bound Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That sounds like a great idea, if you have any pics of your cable through the gear I would appreciate if you could send me some. Thanks

Damn cold here in Michigan also.

Ray --4d.287e6f16_alt_bound-- --part1_4d.287e6f16.2b23714c_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:28:11 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Kr2dream@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Interesting item on eBay web site item#1873969341: NIB!- FALCON GAGE ... Message-ID: --part1_d0.3121ac19.2b236d8b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Use caution when using items from Falcon Gauge. They are imported directly from China and are not approved. We were asked to distribute them and lined up six altimiters on the bench, all set to the same pressure. The indicated altitude varied almost 800 feet. The importer's response was "so what, you can always see how high you are". The altimiters are also subject to frequent failure of the barometric setting mechanism. Bob Lasecki Chicago --part1_d0.3121ac19.2b236d8b_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:34:03 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: gleone Subject: Re: KR> Interesting item on eBay web site item#1873969341: NIB!- FALCON GAGE ... Message-ID: <3DF206DB.B1683EF4@tritel.net> --------------C0643F71FAFB23D9BDB123FE Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FE6210E56633C0F09F8ACE16" --------------FE6210E56633C0F09F8ACE16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, what's 800 feet between you and a cumulus-granite? Seriously, though, I'm glad you posted this as it looked like a great deal. I've had enough dear death experiences on the backs of bulls to venture up with something as critical as a faulty altimeter. Thanks again! You may have saved someone's butt! Gene in Wyoming Kr2dream@aol.com wrote: > Use caution when using items from Falcon Gauge. They are imported directly > from China and are not approved. We were asked to distribute them and lined > up six altimiters on the bench, all set to the same pressure. The indicated > altitude varied almost 800 feet. The importer's response was "so what, you > can always see how high you are". The altimiters are also subject to > frequent failure of the barometric setting mechanism. > > Bob Lasecki > Chicago --------------FE6210E56633C0F09F8ACE16 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, what's 800 feet between you and a cumulus-granite? Seriously, though, I'm glad you posted this as it looked like a great deal. I've had enough dear death experiences on the backs of bulls to venture up with something as critical as a faulty altimeter. Thanks again! You may have saved someone's butt! Gene in Wyoming

Kr2dream@aol.com wrote:

Use caution when using items from Falcon Gauge. They are imported directly
from China and are not approved. We were asked to distribute them and lined
up six altimiters on the bench, all set to the same pressure. The indicated
altitude varied almost 800 feet. The importer's response was "so what, you
can always see how high you are". The altimiters are also subject to
frequent failure of the barometric setting mechanism.
Bob Lasecki
Chicago

--------------FE6210E56633C0F09F8ACE16-- --------------C0643F71FAFB23D9BDB123FE-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 17:52:33 +0200 To: , From: "Krister Wikstrom" Subject: Vs: KR> Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC Message-Id: Yes indeed, these frivolous lawsuits are indeed THE most incomprehensible detail in American society. Utterly strange that "the people" or rather the business establishment quietly tolerate this absurd practice. Here in Finland the loser almost always pays all legal costs. Krister Wikstrom Vantaa, Finland >>> langford@hiwaay.net 07.12.02 06:58 >>> KRnetHeads, It's Friday so maybe I can get away with this. I just thought I'd let y'all know that the staff at Trailing Edge Technologies. LLC (that would be me and Dr. Dean) have decided to throw in the towel. Nothing personal, but we're both concerned about the issue of liability. Although we've done what we can to keep from being sued, the stark reality is that given the US "legal" system, we could still be sued and forced to defend ourselves in court, regardless of the validity or the outcome of the claim. An example of this would be the ongoing case of the Corvair knockoff fuel pump affair. The story I heard was that even though GM quit manufacturing Corvair fuel pumps in the mid 60's, an aftermarket company reverse engineered it and started making their own version, and probably still make it today. A few years ago a Polish aircraft engine manufacturer discovered the Corvair pump as a good fit for its engine, and incorporated it into its design. A subsequent engine failure in a Swift that had been retrofitted with the Polish engine was blamed on a defective valve in the AFTERMARKET pump, yet GM was quickly sued because it had designed the valve in the beginning, even though it had nothing to do with the manufacture of that particular pump, nor did it ever approve such a pump for use in an aircraft. GM is gearing up to go to court in this matter, despite the ridiculous nature of the suit. Another good one would be John Denver's estate suing the manufacturer of the fuel valve that was set to an empty wing tank, that John was never even able to reach! My father has been sued for a million dollars on two different occasions, both of which were ludicrous, but it still cost him $40,000 to defend against them, not to mention over a year of sleepless nights. Were we to change our laws so that those who filed these frivolous lawsuits would have to pay BOTH sets of lawyers if they lost, we wouldn't have this problem, but since our legislators are mostly lawyers, that'll never happen. And although most experimental aircraft builders would scoff at the idea of suing anybody that's been as helpful as we have been to the KR construction effort, their spouses and children may not share that view, and that is where the problem lies. We've enjoyed working with you, but it's just not worth the risk... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:29:06 -0600 To: , "Mark Langford" From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC Message-ID: <002201c29e16$24c47880$d9dc1f41@Administration> I am with Mark on this issue, and we all should be with him if our economy here in the US of A is to compete in the World Economy. Foreign enterprises don't have the Liability Overhead. It's 100% on all our new aircraft. We [JRL Engineering] have contracts with GM and just last week we were ask to carry Professional Liability and Crime Insurance if we want to continue doing business with them, and it will cost us, GM and the Consumer [ You ]. It is costing us now and with the compounding of this cost by all enterprises paying and passing it on to you, the buyer, it will cost more. [ Their is no free lunches, ever] We can collectively change it if enough of us USA citizens want it [ we have a good chance with this Congress]. Talk inform yourself and talk about it to your friends and your reprehensive or vote him out of office which ever works. Their, I am off my soap box. What do you think, you decide. I feel so much better now. KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "krnet" Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:58 PM Subject: KR> Trailing Edge Technologies, LLC > KRnetHeads, > > It's Friday so maybe I can get away with this. I just thought I'd let y'all > know that the staff at Trailing Edge Technologies. LLC (that would be me and > Dr. Dean) have decided to throw in the towel. Nothing personal, but we're > both concerned about the issue of liability. Although we've done what we > can to keep from being sued, the stark reality is that given the US "legal" > system, we could still be sued and forced to defend ourselves in court, > regardless of the validity or the outcome of the claim. > > An example of this would be the ongoing case of the Corvair knockoff fuel > pump affair. The story I heard was that even though GM quit manufacturing > Corvair fuel pumps in the mid 60's, an aftermarket company reverse > engineered it and started making their own version, and probably still make > it today. A few years ago a Polish aircraft engine manufacturer discovered > the Corvair pump as a good fit for its engine, and incorporated it into its > design. A subsequent engine failure in a Swift that had been retrofitted > with the Polish engine was blamed on a defective valve in the AFTERMARKET > pump, yet GM was quickly sued because it had designed the valve in the > beginning, even though it had nothing to do with the manufacture of that > particular pump, nor did it ever approve such a pump for use in an aircraft. > GM is gearing up to go to court in this matter, despite the ridiculous > nature of the suit. > > Another good one would be John Denver's estate suing the manufacturer of the > fuel valve that was set to an empty wing tank, that John was never even > able to reach! > > My father has been sued for a million dollars on two different occasions, > both of which were ludicrous, but it still cost him $40,000 to defend > against them, not to mention over a year of sleepless nights. Were we to > change our laws so that those who filed these frivolous lawsuits would have > to pay BOTH sets of lawyers if they lost, we wouldn't have this problem, but > since our legislators are mostly lawyers, that'll never happen. > > And although most experimental aircraft builders would scoff at the idea of > suing anybody that's been as helpful as we have been to the KR construction > effort, their spouses and children may not share that view, and that is > where the problem lies. We've enjoyed working with you, but it's just not > worth the risk... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:26:34 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Wilson Subject: pics of 0200 Message-ID: <20021207162634.71987.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I posted some new photos of the engine on my KR2 on the page at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/rlwno7/index.com if anyone would like to see them. It takes a few minutes for the pictures to come up after you get there. Thanks, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:42:52 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Wilson Subject: Re: KR> pics of 0200 Message-ID: <20021207164252.91227.qmail@web21210.mail.yahoo.com> I'm sorry, try this address: http://myebpage.netscape.com/rlwno7/index.html Thanks, Rick. --- Rick Wilson wrote: > Hi, I posted some new photos of the engine on my KR2 > on the page at: > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/rlwno7/index.html if > anyone would like to see them. It takes a few > minutes > for the pictures to come up after you get there. > Thanks, Rick Wilson. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:44:30 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: TET, Lawsuits, WAY OFF TOPIC Message-ID: <20021207174430.11719.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com> Krister, Law suits are a BIG industry in the USA. The Association of Trial Lawyers is a large and very powerful group who contribute extremely large amounts of money to politicians and work very hard to prevent changes in our legal system that would prevent these kinds of law suits. Essentially, they depend on suits against well-insured businesses. The legal firm recieves between 33% and 40% of each suit they win. If they bring a "Class-action" suit, they stand to make millions or even thousands of millions of dollars. Since "Class-action suits" are brought against one large company in the name of a very large group of people, each person in the suit only gets a very small amount of the award, sometimes less than a dollar, but, the lawyers get many hundreds of millions of dollars. (If the "class" of people bringing the suit is 600,000 people, and the award is $100 million dollars, the law firm gets $40 million dollars and the 600,000 people split the other $60 million, to get $100 each, if my math is right. If you were a lawyer, would you let this kind of opportunity slip away? would you turn down $100? Hard choice, I am sure. A great many very good businesses are ruined and many others are discouraged by the threat of lawsuits that have grown way out of control. Yet the law-makers who might change the laws are bought off by the lawyers who are making so much money on this 'industry'. I, too, am sorry to see TET go and I can understand the wisdom and apprehension behind the decision. I am in one of the Health Care professions, and have seen the devastating results of these kinds of lawsuits there too. I'm not sure where it will stop, but I don't think either of our major political parties has the ability to do anything about it. Enough, lets build our airplanes while we still can... Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX --- Krister Wikstrom wrote: > Yes indeed, these frivolous lawsuits are indeed THE > most > incomprehensible detail in American society. Utterly > strange that "the > people" or rather the business establishment quietly > tolerate this > absurd practice. Here in Finland the loser almost > always pays all legal > costs. > > Krister Wikstrom > Vantaa, Finland > > >>> langford@hiwaay.net 07.12.02 06:58 >>> > KRnetHeads, > > It's Friday so maybe I can get away with this. I > just thought I'd let > y'all > know that the staff at Trailing Edge Technologies. > LLC (that would be me > and > Dr. Dean) have decided to throw in the towel. > Nothing personal, but > we're > both concerned about the issue of liability. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:36:39 -0500 To: From: "Ron Thomas" Subject: Re: KR> TET, Lawsuits, WAY OFF TOPIC Message-ID: <003101c29e1f$956cb760$c843a8c0@faaguy> Why won't hold harmless agreements hold up? If I sign such a document, which I have in the past, I would suspect it was just for this reason. I would hope it was worth the paper it was written on, and be treated for the purpose for which it was written. I understand where the lawyers(Oh I had that word) are comeing from, and they are not likely to change the laws. The juries and courts that make the excessive awards have to change////. When the mid-air collision happen in Ashville,N.C.(Cessa310 and Piedmont B727) 93 people died and the U.S. Gov't(FAA) go hit for 93 million. Don't know who got the money, the families or the lawyers. The reason was the controller left out two words (via direct) in his clearance to the inbound Cessna 310. The real reason was Ashville, had been begging for radar for years and it had not been installed. How many radars could they have bought with 93 mil. OK, I'll get off this soapbox now, the altitude is getting to me. ---- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ross" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 12:44 PM Subject: KR> TET, Lawsuits, WAY OFF TOPIC > Krister, > Law suits are a BIG industry in the USA. The > Association of Trial Lawyers is a large and very > powerful group who contribute extremely large amounts > of money to politicians and work very hard to prevent > changes in our legal system that would prevent these > kinds of law suits. > Essentially, they depend on suits against well-insured > businesses. The legal firm recieves between 33% and > 40% of each suit they win. If they bring a > "Class-action" suit, they stand to make millions or > even thousands of millions of dollars. > Since "Class-action suits" are brought against one > large company in the name of a very large group of > people, each person in the suit only gets a very small > amount of the award, sometimes less than a dollar, > but, the lawyers get many hundreds of millions of > dollars. (If the "class" of people bringing the suit > is 600,000 people, and the award is $100 million > dollars, the law firm gets $40 million dollars and the > 600,000 people split the other $60 million, to get > $100 each, if my math is right. If you were a lawyer, > would you let this kind of opportunity slip away? > would you turn down $100? > Hard choice, I am sure. > A great many very good businesses are ruined and many > others are discouraged by the threat of lawsuits that > have grown way out of control. Yet the law-makers who > might change the laws are bought off by the lawyers > who are making so much money on this 'industry'. > I, too, am sorry to see TET go and I can understand > the wisdom and apprehension behind the decision. I am > in one of the Health Care professions, and have seen > the devastating results of these kinds of lawsuits > there too. I'm not sure where it will stop, but I > don't think either of our major political parties has > the ability to do anything about it. > Enough, lets build our airplanes while we still can... > Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX > --- Krister Wikstrom > wrote: > > Yes indeed, these frivolous lawsuits are indeed THE > > most > > incomprehensible detail in American society. Utterly > > strange that "the > > people" or rather the business establishment quietly > > tolerate this > > absurd practice. Here in Finland the loser almost > > always pays all legal > > costs. > > > > Krister Wikstrom > > Vantaa, Finland > > > > >>> langford@hiwaay.net 07.12.02 06:58 >>> > > KRnetHeads, > > > > It's Friday so maybe I can get away with this. I > > just thought I'd let > > y'all > > know that the staff at Trailing Edge Technologies. > > LLC (that would be me > > and > > Dr. Dean) have decided to throw in the towel. > > Nothing personal, but > > we're > > both concerned about the issue of liability. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************