From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 11 Dec 2002 18:46:41 -0000 Issue 574 Date: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:47 AM krnet Digest 11 Dec 2002 18:46:41 -0000 Issue 574 Topics (messages 13745 through 13760): blankenship/ where is net mom? gear pics 13745 by: jim . synergy design Re: lawyers 13746 by: Krister Wikstrom 13747 by: Dan Heath 13754 by: Robert Stone 13756 by: Gary Ainsworth Re: when to apply smooth premier... 13748 by: Dan Heath 13749 by: larry flesner Re: Landing gear Question? 13750 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout Insurance 13751 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout 13752 by: gleone Thanks all 13753 by: Pedro Pinzón Re: Facet fuel pump 13755 by: Anthony Underwood 13758 by: larry flesner 13759 by: Serge Vidal 13760 by: Ron Ffreiberger Re: Landing gear Question? tricycle set up 13757 by: Flymaca711689.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:37:58 -0800 To: From: "jim @ synergy design" Subject: blankenship/ where is net mom? gear pics Message-ID: <001c01c2a0f8$feb4f1c0$0101a8c0@net> ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2A0B5.EF3A5F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don, grow up and let it go. Is it possible for you to post a message = about a kr without any mention of the you know what? To whoever was = interested in my nose wheel assy a few weeks ago( from a sidewinder) , I = have the pics now, but I lost your address. Jim Sporka, 2-s,corvair, = almost elevator ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2A0B5.EF3A5F20-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:04:10 +0200 To: From: "Krister Wikstrom" Subject: Vs: KR> lawyers Message-Id: Yep, Tim, well said! I agree 100% with your position. Of course the situation is totally different here in Finland, starting from the fact that the loser nearly always pays ALL legal fees. Furthermore, the courts are NOT in the habit of awarding punitive damages, only compensation for de facto damages. But in fact sometimes one cannot avoid the feeling that the compensations are insultingly small here. But on the other hand, in the U.S. of A. the payments certainly can be totally disproportional, and I don't believe that product safety is any better over there. Regards, Krister Wikstrom Vantaa, Finland >>> timwbrown@yahoo.com 12/11 6:22 >>> To the Net: I have stayed out of this (publicly on the net, but I have privately e-mailed those of concern) because...horrors or horrors. I am a lawyer mainly dealing in Products Liability Law in California, lawsuit capitol of the world. On products liability: The plaintiff does not have to prove negligence. If you are hurt by the product, negligence is assumed. BUT there are a host of defenses and I use them all the time. Is there any contract written that will keep you out of Court? Absolutely not. Someone can sue you for anything...even the color of your hair and yes, you have to hire a lawyer to protect your rights. Can a clause be inserted in a contract that makes the loser pay? Yes. In Calif., each side pays their own attorney fees UNLESS recovery is allowed by statute or by contract. Each State has their own laws. Is a lawyer worth a 33% recovery fee? That answer is your own. First, consider the alternative. If there is no recovery by YOU, the lawyer gets zero. Rent, secretarys, paralegals, research books, filing fees, and time, all cost money. Not one of you does not think that your time is not valuable. But a lawyer "risks" giving his time etc in the hopes that he/she is good enough to win...then and only then get paid. Let's say you are an engineer and you work a whole year on a research project hoping to develop a new "whatsit." But, after a year, it just doesn't work out so your employer (the client/boss) says, well then, you don't get paid for the last year's work. That is what happens to a lawyer that doesn't win. Now, as for me.....I represent the people that get sued. For what has been the topic of the past weeks, I would be representing Mark and Dean. My rate is $125.00 per hour plus out-of pocket, exclusive of time I spend with the client (I don't charge for calling or meeting with the client to coordinate a defense. I don't charge for "file review" before a Court appearance. If I don't know the file well enough, I shouldn't be their attorney.) Everyone loves to hate attorneys.....until you need one. Then, you love YOUR attorney and all the others are blood suckers. I know I sure hated my now ex-wife's attorney. Most, not all, attorneys I work with I can't stand. They don't know their case and they are only there for their paycheck. I take a personal interest in my clients and, I am told by others, am a real asshole and get better results then every other attorney. To those in need of an attorney EVER: Ask your friends Ask your family Interview Re-write the attorney contract placed in front of you. If the attorney thinks you have a winning case, he would much prefer 20% or 25% of something rather than 100% of nothing. The terms of any contract with an attorney are negotiable. But most people don't have the balls to negotiate...and then blame the attorney for taking 33% (here in Ca I see 40% and 50% all the time). I work hard. I make more than a minimum six figures. I get paid for what I do and so do you. I went through nearly 8 years of college and the bar exam and have to do many, many hours of continuing education to keep my "ticket." I graduated with a BA and a teaching credential (oh wow, $35,000.00 here in So. Calif). Then I decided I hate kids and went back to college at age 39. I charge what I feel is a fair price for excellent representation. I recently wrote a letter to a client that contained a sentence something like////any settlement offered would be based on economic reasoning and would be accepted by plaintiff based on pure extortion. The client can then decide if he wants to pay a few hundred or thousand to plaintiff, or continue to pay me for what we hope to be a full win! Do I think the system is broken? ABSOLUTELY. Is there a cure? NO! Not as long as the trial lawyers (plaintiff bar) has the democrats in their pockets. (Yes, I voted for Reagan, Bush, Dole and Bush.) Sorry for the diatribe but many have been bashing lawyers with half truths and half facts.politiciansers should be bashed just as some (many) politicains should be bashed. Some day I hope to run for political office (either State or Federal) and maybe I can make a difference. But for now....get involved....know what is going on (not the bullshit bitching) and DO SOMETHING besides bitching. OK....Off the soap box and I will now go crawl under my rock! Tim __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:04:44 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> lawyers Message-Id: <3DF745FC.000009.01004@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_WFKYMY50000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_XFKYH890000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_XFKYH890000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tim,=0D =0D My daughter is engaged to a lawyer and he is a real nice guy. It is lawy= ers like you who need to fix this system. I used to think they should throw = out the entire TORT system, but, it does have it's place. It is abused and t= he abuses must be corrected. Your profession is the only group of people wh= o have any chance of fixing it because you have all the power.=0D =0D My hope for this country is that if you don't fix it, there is a politica= l revolt that makes you wish you did.=0D =0D We love you and thanks for writing.=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 08:22:58 PM=0D To: Group KR NET=0D Subject: KR> lawyers=0D =0D To the Net:=0D =0D I have stayed out of this (publicly on the net,=0D but I have privately e-mailed those of concern)=0D because...horrors or horrors. I am a lawyer=0D mainly dealing in Products Liability Law in=0D California, lawsuit capitol of the world.=0D =0D On products liability: The plaintiff does not=0D have to prove negligence. If you are hurt by the=0D product, negligence is assumed. BUT there are a=0D host of defenses and I use them all the time.=0D =0D Is there any contract written that will keep you=0D out of Court? Absolutely not. Someone can sue=0D you for anything...even the color of your hair=0D and yes, you have to hire a lawyer to protect=0D your rights.=0D =0D Can a clause be inserted in a contract that makes=0D the loser pay? Yes.=0D =0D In Calif., each side pays their own attorney fees=0D UNLESS recovery is allowed by statute or by=0D contract. Each State has their own laws.=0D =0D Is a lawyer worth a 33% recovery fee? That=0D answer is your own. First, consider the=0D alternative. If there is no recovery by YOU, the=0D lawyer gets zero. Rent, secretarys, paralegals,=0D research books, filing fees, and time, all cost=0D money. Not one of you does not think that your=0D time is not valuable. But a lawyer "risks"=0D giving his time etc in the hopes that he/she is=0D good enough to win...then and only then get paid.=0D =0D =0D Let's say you are an engineer and you work a=0D whole year on a research project hoping to=0D develop a new "whatsit." But, after a year, it=0D just doesn't work out so your employer (the=0D client/boss) says, well then, you don't get paid=0D for the last year's work. That is what happens=0D to a lawyer that doesn't win.=0D =0D Now, as for me.....I represent the people that=0D get sued. For what has been the topic of the=0D past weeks, I would be representing Mark and=0D Dean. My rate is $125.00 per hour plus out-of=0D pocket, exclusive of time I spend with the client=0D (I don't charge for calling or meeting with the=0D client to coordinate a defense. I don't charge=0D for "file review" before a Court appearance. If=0D I don't know the file well enough, I shouldn't be=0D their attorney.)=0D =0D Everyone loves to hate attorneys.....until you=0D need one. Then, you love YOUR attorney and all=0D the others are blood suckers. I know I sure=0D hated my now ex-wife's attorney. Most, not all,=0D attorneys I work with I can't stand. They don't=0D know their case and they are only there for their=0D paycheck. I take a personal interest in my=0D clients and, I am told by others, am a real=0D asshole and get better results then every other=0D attorney.=0D =0D =0D To those in need of an attorney EVER:=0D =0D Ask your friends=0D =0D Ask your family=0D =0D Interview=0D =0D Re-write the attorney contract placed in front of=0D you. If the attorney thinks you have a winning=0D case, he would much prefer 20% or 25% of=0D something rather than 100% of nothing. The terms=0D of any contract with an attorney are negotiable. =0D But most people don't have the balls to=0D negotiate...and then blame the attorney for=0D taking 33% (here in Ca I see 40% and 50% all the=0D time).=0D =0D I work hard. I make more than a minimum six=0D figures. I get paid for what I do and so do you.=0D I went through nearly 8 years of college and the=0D bar exam and have to do many, many hours of=0D continuing education to keep my "ticket." I=0D graduated with a BA and a teaching credential (oh=0D wow, $35,000.00 here in So. Calif). Then I=0D decided I hate kids and went back to college at=0D age 39. I charge what I feel is a fair price for=0D excellent representation. I recently wrote a=0D letter to a client that contained a sentence=0D something like////any settlement offered would be=0D based on economic reasoning and would be accepted=0D by plaintiff based on pure extortion. =0D =0D The client can then decide if he wants to pay a=0D few hundred or thousand to plaintiff, or continue=0D to pay me for what we hope to be a full win!=0D =0D =0D Do I think the system is broken? ABSOLUTELY.=0D =0D Is there a cure? NO! Not as long as the trial=0D lawyers (plaintiff bar) has the democrats in=0D their pockets. (Yes, I voted for Reagan, Bush,=0D Dole and Bush.)=0D =0D Sorry for the diatribe but many have been bashing=0D lawyers with half truths and half=0D facts.politiciansers should be bashed just as=0D some (many) politicains should be bashed. Some=0D day I hope to run for political office (either=0D State or Federal) and maybe I can make a=0D difference. But for now....get involved....know=0D what is going on (not the bullshit bitching) and=0D DO SOMETHING besides bitching.=0D =0D =0D OK....Off the soap box and I will now go crawl=0D under my rock!=0D =0D Tim=0D =0D =0D __________________________________________________=0D Do you Yahoo!?=0D Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.=0D http://mailplus.yahoo.com=0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_XFKYH890000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tim,
 
My daughter is engaged to a lawyer and he is a real nice guy.  = It is lawyers like you who need to fix this system.  I used to think= they should throw out the entire TORT system, but, it does have it's pla= ce.  It is abused and the abuses must be corrected.  Your = profession is the only group of people who have any chance of fixing= it because you have all the power.
 
My hope for this country is that if you don't fix it, there is a pol= itical revolt that makes you wish you did.
 
We love you and thanks for writing.
 

DanRH@KR-Builder.org

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Daniel R= =2E Heath - Lexington, SC

See our KR2 at: ht= tp://kr-builder.org  Click on the Pic.

See our EAA Chapte= r 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

KR Purchasing Info at= : http://fly-kr.= com 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: Tuesday, Dec= ember 10, 2002 08:22:58 PM
Subject: KR> la= wyers
 
To the Net:

I have stayed out of this (publicly o= n the net,
but I have privately e-mailed those of concern)
because.= =2E.horrors or horrors. I am a lawyer
mainly dealing in Products Liabi= lity Law in
California, lawsuit capitol of the world.

On produc= ts liability: The plaintiff does not
have to prove negligence. If you = are hurt by the
product, negligence is assumed. BUT there are a
hos= t of defenses and I use them all the time.

Is there any contract w= ritten that will keep you
out of Court? Absolutely not. Someone can su= e
you for anything...even the color of your hair
and yes, you have = to hire a lawyer to protect
your rights.

Can a clause be insert= ed in a contract that makes
the loser pay? Yes.

In Calif., each= side pays their own attorney fees
UNLESS recovery is allowed by statu= te or by
contract. Each State has their own laws.

Is a lawyer w= orth a 33% recovery fee? That
answer is your own. First, consider the<= BR>alternative. If there is no recovery by YOU, the
lawyer gets zero. = Rent, secretarys, paralegals,
research books, filing fees, and time, a= ll cost
money. Not one of you does not think that your
time is not = valuable. But a lawyer "risks"
giving his time etc in the hopes that h= e/she is
good enough to win...then and only then get paid.


= Let's say you are an engineer and you work a
whole year on a research = project hoping to
develop a new "whatsit." But, after a year, it
ju= st doesn't work out so your employer (the
client/boss) says, well then= , you don't get paid
for the last year's work. That is what happensto a lawyer that doesn't win.

Now, as for me.....I represent the = people that
get sued. For what has been the topic of the
past weeks= , I would be representing Mark and
Dean. My rate is $125.00 per hour p= lus out-of
pocket, exclusive of time I spend with the client
(I don= 't charge for calling or meeting with the
client to coordinate a defen= se. I don't charge
for "file review" before a Court appearance. If
= I don't know the file well enough, I shouldn't be
their attorney.)
=
Everyone loves to hate attorneys.....until you
need one. Then, you= love YOUR attorney and all
the others are blood suckers. I know I sur= e
hated my now ex-wife's attorney. Most, not all,
attorneys I work = with I can't stand. They don't
know their case and they are only there= for their
paycheck. I take a personal interest in my
clients and, = I am told by others, am a real
asshole and get better results then eve= ry other
attorney.


To those in need of an attorney EVER:
Ask your friends

Ask your family

Interview

Re-w= rite the attorney contract placed in front of
you. If the attorney thi= nks you have a winning
case, he would much prefer 20% or 25% of
som= ething rather than 100% of nothing. The terms
of any contract with an = attorney are negotiable.
But most people don't have the balls to
n= egotiate...and then blame the attorney for
taking 33% (here in Ca I se= e 40% and 50% all the
time).

I work hard. I make more than a mi= nimum six
figures. I get paid for what I do and so do you.
I went t= hrough nearly 8 years of college and the
bar exam and have to do many,= many hours of
continuing education to keep my "ticket." I
graduate= d with a BA and a teaching credential (oh
wow, $35,000.00 here in So. = Calif). Then I
decided I hate kids and went back to college at
age = 39. I charge what I feel is a fair price for
excellent representation.= I recently wrote a
letter to a client that contained a sentence
so= mething like////any settlement offered would be
based on economic reas= oning and would be accepted
by plaintiff based on pure extortion.
=
The client can then decide if he wants to pay a
few hundred or tho= usand to plaintiff, or continue
to pay me for what we hope to be a ful= l win!


Do I think the system is broken? ABSOLUTELY.

Is = there a cure? NO! Not as long as the trial
lawyers (plaintiff bar) has= the democrats in
their pockets. (Yes, I voted for Reagan, Bush,
Do= le and Bush.)

Sorry for the diatribe but many have been bashinglawyers with half truths and half
facts.politiciansers should be bash= ed just as
some (many) politicains should be bashed. Some
day I hop= e to run for political office (either
State or Federal) and maybe I ca= n make a
difference. But for now....get involved....know
what is go= ing on (not the bullshit bitching) and
DO SOMETHING besides bitching.<= BR>

OK....Off the soap box and I will now go crawl
under my roc= k!

Tim


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<= A href=3D"http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=3D309&lang=3D9">= 3D""  IncrediMail - Email has= finally evolved - = Click Here --------------Boundary-00=_XFKYH890000000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_WFKYMY50000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:18:32 -0600 To: From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> lawyers Message-ID: <003b01c2a128$91aa0e00$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> Tim Brown, All lawyers I have ever done any business with as far as law suits are concerned take the case after review on a contingency basis if they think there is a good chance of winning. The client pays nothing up front. You say, you charge $125.00 per hour plus out of pocket expenses. The only kind of lawyer I ever heard of who does this is one who knows he will lose or at least thinks the chances are better that he will. He also knows that he will get paid regardless. It you are the later, I would have nothing to do with you. Also if you are wondering why most people think lawyers are the most greedy, and ruthless people on this earth, it's because they are. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" To: "Group KR NET" Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:22 PM Subject: KR> lawyers > To the Net: > > I have stayed out of this (publicly on the net, > but I have privately e-mailed those of concern) > because...horrors or horrors. I am a lawyer > mainly dealing in Products Liability Law in > California, lawsuit capitol of the world. > > On products liability: The plaintiff does not > have to prove negligence. If you are hurt by the > product, negligence is assumed. BUT there are a > host of defenses and I use them all the time. > > Is there any contract written that will keep you > out of Court? Absolutely not. Someone can sue > you for anything...even the color of your hair > and yes, you have to hire a lawyer to protect > your rights. > > Can a clause be inserted in a contract that makes > the loser pay? Yes. > > In Calif., each side pays their own attorney fees > UNLESS recovery is allowed by statute or by > contract. Each State has their own laws. > > Is a lawyer worth a 33% recovery fee? That > answer is your own. First, consider the > alternative. If there is no recovery by YOU, the > lawyer gets zero. Rent, secretarys, paralegals, > research books, filing fees, and time, all cost > money. Not one of you does not think that your > time is not valuable. But a lawyer "risks" > giving his time etc in the hopes that he/she is > good enough to win...then and only then get paid. > > > Let's say you are an engineer and you work a > whole year on a research project hoping to > develop a new "whatsit." But, after a year, it > just doesn't work out so your employer (the > client/boss) says, well then, you don't get paid > for the last year's work. That is what happens > to a lawyer that doesn't win. > > Now, as for me.....I represent the people that > get sued. For what has been the topic of the > past weeks, I would be representing Mark and > Dean. My rate is $125.00 per hour plus out-of > pocket, exclusive of time I spend with the client > (I don't charge for calling or meeting with the > client to coordinate a defense. I don't charge > for "file review" before a Court appearance. If > I don't know the file well enough, I shouldn't be > their attorney.) > > Everyone loves to hate attorneys.....until you > need one. Then, you love YOUR attorney and all > the others are blood suckers. I know I sure > hated my now ex-wife's attorney. Most, not all, > attorneys I work with I can't stand. They don't > know their case and they are only there for their > paycheck. I take a personal interest in my > clients and, I am told by others, am a real > asshole and get better results then every other > attorney. > > > To those in need of an attorney EVER: > > Ask your friends > > Ask your family > > Interview > > Re-write the attorney contract placed in front of > you. If the attorney thinks you have a winning > case, he would much prefer 20% or 25% of > something rather than 100% of nothing. The terms > of any contract with an attorney are negotiable. > But most people don't have the balls to > negotiate...and then blame the attorney for > taking 33% (here in Ca I see 40% and 50% all the > time). > > I work hard. I make more than a minimum six > figures. I get paid for what I do and so do you. > I went through nearly 8 years of college and the > bar exam and have to do many, many hours of > continuing education to keep my "ticket." I > graduated with a BA and a teaching credential (oh > wow, $35,000.00 here in So. Calif). Then I > decided I hate kids and went back to college at > age 39. I charge what I feel is a fair price for > excellent representation. I recently wrote a > letter to a client that contained a sentence > something like////any settlement offered would be > based on economic reasoning and would be accepted > by plaintiff based on pure extortion. > > The client can then decide if he wants to pay a > few hundred or thousand to plaintiff, or continue > to pay me for what we hope to be a full win! > > > Do I think the system is broken? ABSOLUTELY. > > Is there a cure? NO! Not as long as the trial > lawyers (plaintiff bar) has the democrats in > their pockets. (Yes, I voted for Reagan, Bush, > Dole and Bush.) > > Sorry for the diatribe but many have been bashing > lawyers with half truths and half > facts.politiciansers should be bashed just as > some (many) politicains should be bashed. Some > day I hope to run for political office (either > State or Federal) and maybe I can make a > difference. But for now....get involved....know > what is going on (not the bullshit bitching) and > DO SOMETHING besides bitching. > > > OK....Off the soap box and I will now go crawl > under my rock! > > Tim > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:02:03 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Gary Ainsworth CC: Subject: Re: KR> lawyers Message-ID: At Wednesday, 11 December 2002, "Robert Stone" wrote: >. It you are the later, I would have >nothing to do with you..... > >Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX Bob, I don't think you are being fair or haven't really thought out your reply. Here in Canada, I was sued for $5000 and went to a lawyer who at $125/hr said "make a deal! -you're innocent but it will cost $6000 in legal fees to defend and the person has no money to re-sue for damages and that will be another $6000 legal trial. It was good advice and for $150 fee I paid the plaintif off ($1500), saved 12 grand and learned a lesson. Our Country is about to allow contingency fees, and do you want to make a guess how much the original lawsuit of 5 grand would be for with your/our new system?? x 100? You only get what you pay for.... - "keep the blue side up" Gary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:17:02 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> when to apply smooth premier... Message-Id: <3DF748DE.00000C.01004@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_E0LY7TH0000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_F0LY24L0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_F0LY24L0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think it would depend on how close to finished you are or how confident you are that it won't get messed up. You might want to apply it and not sand it down, if you are not close to putting on the final finish. You could also just put on a regular primer.=0D =0D One thing to think about is those areas where you may still need to apply resin. If you don't have on the turtle deck, it is best if you apply the glass to bare wood and not over some finishing material. However, you al= so don't want to leave bare wood exposed for a long period of time, so you would want to put on something that is easily sanded and will take to the resin when you get ready.=0D =0D We had polyurethane on ours and it was terrible getting that stuff off cl= ean enough to be able to apply the resin and glass for the entire top structu= re.=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 07:22:39 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> when to apply smooth premier...=0D =0D Hi ,=0D I was wondering when you should apply the smooth premier to the boat. Our= s =0D is finished along with having the wing spar stubs done. It does not have = the =0D rigging or firewall done yet. I was given advice to do this to protect it= =0D from the elements. The plane is in a hanger. Thanks for your advise.=0D =0D Pat --------------Boundary-00=_F0LY24L0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think it would depend on how close to finished you are or how conf= ident you are that it won't get messed up.  You might want to a= pply it and not sand it down, if you are not close to putting on the= final finish.  You could also just put on a regular primer.
 
One thing to think about is those areas where you may still nee= d to apply resin.  If you don't have on the turtle deck, i= t is best if you apply the glass to bare wood and not over some finishing= material.  However, you also don't want to leave bare wood exp= osed for a long period of time, so you would want to put on something tha= t is easily sanded and will take to the resin when you get ready.
 
We had polyurethane on ours and it was terrible getting that stuff o= ff clean enough to be able to apply the resin and glass for the enti= re top structure.
 

DanRH@KR-Builder.org

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Daniel R= =2E Heath - Lexington, SC

See our KR2 at: ht= tp://kr-builder.org  Click on the Pic.

See our EAA Chapte= r 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

KR Purchasing Info at= : http://fly-kr.= com 

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Date: Tuesday, Dec= ember 10, 2002 07:22:39 PM
Subject: KR> wh= en to apply smooth premier...
 
Hi ,
I was wondering when you should apply the smooth= premier to the boat. Ours
is finished along with having the wing spa= r stubs done. It does not have the
rigging or firewall done yet. I wa= s given advice to do this to protect it
from the elements. The plane = is in a hanger. Thanks for your advise.

Pat

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Larry Flesner flesner@midwest.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:14:49 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear Question? Message-ID: <20021211.081449.3112.3.klw1953@juno.com> ----__JNP_000_1213.58de.25a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If your building the tri-gear the brackets go on the rear face of the forward spar. On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:13:07 -0500 "ROBERT COOPER" writes: > With Conv. gear the brackets are on the fwd side of the spar and are > not in the way of the cables > Jack Cooper > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David McKelvey > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 7:53 PM > To: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: RE: KR> Landing gear Question? > > I had a very good experience installing the Diehl conv. gear. I > don't > recall having to rerout the cable, but clearance was a concern > during the > install process. I wish everything on my airplane went that well! > > Dave, Grapevine TX > -----Original Message----- > From: RCTRVLR@aol.com [mailto:RCTRVLR@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 12:25 PM > To: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear Question? > > > With my recent discovery from a KR2 owner on How to mount the > Diehl > gear and not having to reroute the aileron wires, (thank you for the > pic), I > have decided to go with the Deihl and not the Grove gear. > If anyone has any more input on the Grove gear over the Diehl > gear to > justify the cost difference, please jump in and voice your opinion. > Thanks > > Ray > ----__JNP_000_1213.58de.25a0-- ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:28:45 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: Insurance Message-ID: <20021211.082845.3112.4.klw1953@juno.com> Just wondering how many KR pilots insure their planes for just 6 mos as opposed to a full year. Sky Smith charged me $ 1150 last year and after I got the policy I called Scott and asked if I could get a refund if I cancelled after 6 mos. He said no since the policy was already in effect, that sounded a little fishy. I don't have cabin heat and I sublet my hanger to someone else from Nov to May. If someone is getting insurance for 6 mos I'd like to know what your paying, and from who. Thanks! ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:08:00 -0700 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: gleone Subject: Re: KR> Insurance Message-ID: <3DF746C0.D30B0D9B@tritel.net> --------------A45BEA46A8BC9974C62F4270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He's lying to you. In insurance, you buy a car, let's call it a Rigatoni, and insure it for $2400 a year. After 3 months, you decide you can't afford the insurance much less the gas to run this thing so you buy a Ford Escort. Your annual premium for the Escort might be $300. Since $600 of premium has been spent on the Rigatoni, you have a rebate due of $1500. Whether you're talking auto insurance or aircraft insurance, that's how it works. Your next call should be to the Insurance Commissioner's Office in your state. It will be located in the state capitol. Trust me, you will get your rebate and your insurance salesman will at the very least, get the fear of God put into him. Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > Just wondering how many KR pilots insure their planes for just 6 mos as > opposed to a full year. Sky Smith charged me $ 1150 last year and after I > got the policy I called Scott and asked if I could get a refund if I > cancelled after 6 mos. He said no since the policy was already in effect, > that sounded a little fishy. I don't have cabin heat and I sublet my > hanger to someone else from Nov to May. If someone is getting insurance > for 6 mos I'd like to know what your paying, and from who. Thanks! > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------A45BEA46A8BC9974C62F4270-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:17:48 -0400 To: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pedro_Pinz=F3n?= Subject: Thanks all Message-ID: <000001c2a128$9f3a5840$0b5f2cc8@personalskw7y6> ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C2A106.EFAEC800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks all for support about retractable landing gear. Definitively, the = ret. gears needs some reengineering. =20 I=B4ll be working on some ideas about it I have yet, and Richard Seifert = recommendations. Target?. A retractable landing gear that requires only = one hand to operate. I hope it will be ready next February.=20 Thanks all again ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C2A106.EFAEC800-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:54:35 -0500 To: "'KRnet@mailinglists.org'" From: Anthony Underwood Subject: RE: KR> Facet fuel pump Message-ID: <01C2A104.4C261320.xbs4fiverivers@xrxgsn.com> On Facet fuel pumps.They these little pumps are offered with diferent pressure's,according to how high it has to lift the gas,how far ect.Hear's the good part,NAPA sell's these pump's if you know what pressure to use. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Heath [SMTP:danrh@alltel.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 12:54 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Facet fuel pump Larry, What kind of Carb are you using? I would like to use a Facet on ours, but we have a Revflow. Do you know if there is any way to rig one to be able to use a fuel pump? DanRH@KR-Builder.org See ya in Red Oak --- 2003, Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic. See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com -------Original Message------- From: KRnet@mailinglists.org Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 05:07:27 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Facet fuel pump There are two types of "Facet" pumps. A high pressure and a low pressure. For float type carb's make sure you use the low pressure type. My KR has no gravity feed but wing tanks only. I'm using two pumps in parallel. Either/both pumps will feed from either/both tanks. I intended to use check valves in series with each pump but upon testing I found the pumps will not allow reverse flow so I eliminated the check valves. The claim for the flow rate is 30 gal per hour. I tested mine and found they would each pump 5 gal of fuel to the carb in 9 minutes. That figures out to be 33 gal per hour. Remember that each valve, fitting, etc., that you add to the system will cut your flow rate. Check the flow rate where it feeds into the carb, not at some other point in the system. YOUR RESULTS MAY VARY- TEST IT! Whatever the system you use you MUST do a flow rate test. I seem to recall the minimum flow is 1.5 times the max power requirement for the engine. You need to get this rate with (worst case) minimum fuel in the tank and max nose up attitude . With my pump only system I intend to install a pressure regulator also as soon as I can find one. The local auto parts store informed me that their supplier just did a NATIONAL recall of all stock because of a defect they found so they have none available right now. Lets hope their replacements are of better quality! Larry Flesner flesner@midwest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files . << File: ATT00000.htm >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:53:42 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Facet fuel pump Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021211105342.008c87d0@mail.midwest.net> > On Facet fuel pumps.They these little pumps are offered with >diferent pressure's,according to how high it has to lift the gas,how far >ect.Hear's the good part,NAPA sell's these pump's if you know what pressure >to use. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ my humble opinion: - you MUST know what pressure your carb needs to buy a pump from any supplier. - The prices in "Wick's" are about as good as you will get from any supplier. They sell for $30 each except the 24 volt, low pressure unit that goes for $50. - In our applications we seldom need to "lift" the fuel at all. We supply the pump with fuel under gravity pressure or from wing tanks that require very little lift. I did however test my pumps using water and they were able to lift it 30 inches. _ The Wick's catalog gives you the info to determine the pump you need by voltage, gallons per hour flow, output pressure, and fitting size. Also on the same page are the fittings you may need to adapt the pumps for use in your aircraft system. Why look anywhere else? P.S. The catalog says they are "free flowing" and can be used in line with a mechnical pump so you MAY be able to use one directly in a gravity system but if you do you MUST check the flow rate with the pump installed and turned off. My guess is you won't get enough flow but that's only a GUESS. Larry Flesner flesner@midwest.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:12:49 +0200 To: From: "Serge Vidal" Subject: RE: KR> Facet fuel pump Message-ID: <000a01c2a138$8bd6dcf0$01000001@sergevidal12> Larry, The "free flow" is not that free when you try. Seems that the pump restricts the flow somehow. Hence the problem to use it as a booster pump. Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa -----Original Message----- From: larry flesner [mailto:flesner@midwest.net] Sent: 11 December 2002 18:54 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Facet fuel pump > On Facet fuel pumps.They these little pumps are offered with >diferent pressure's,according to how high it has to lift the gas,how far >ect.Hear's the good part,NAPA sell's these pump's if you know what pressure >to use. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ my humble opinion: - you MUST know what pressure your carb needs to buy a pump from any supplier. - The prices in "Wick's" are about as good as you will get from any supplier. They sell for $30 each except the 24 volt, low pressure unit that goes for $50. - In our applications we seldom need to "lift" the fuel at all. We supply the pump with fuel under gravity pressure or from wing tanks that require very little lift. I did however test my pumps using water and they were able to lift it 30 inches. _ The Wick's catalog gives you the info to determine the pump you need by voltage, gallons per hour flow, output pressure, and fitting size. Also on the same page are the fittings you may need to adapt the pumps for use in your aircraft system. Why look anywhere else? P.S. The catalog says they are "free flowing" and can be used in line with a mechnical pump so you MAY be able to use one directly in a gravity system but if you do you MUST check the flow rate with the pump installed and turned off. My guess is you won't get enough flow but that's only a GUESS. Larry Flesner flesner@midwest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:46:28 -0500 To: , From: "Ron Ffreiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Facet fuel pump Message-ID: Several people report good flow. I measured about 20 inches of water/fuel to "crack" the valve; totally useless as a bypass. Clearly, there is a major variance in this property. Aircraft Spruce p/n 10630 is a free flow check valve that would bypass the pump nicely. Ron Freiberger.... -----Original Message----- From: Serge Vidal [mailto:svidal@icon.co.za] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:13 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: RE: KR> Facet fuel pump Larry, The "free flow" is not that free when you try. Seems that the pump restricts the flow somehow. Hence the problem to use it as a booster pump. Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa -----Original Message----- From: larry flesner [mailto:flesner@midwest.net] Sent: 11 December 2002 18:54 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Facet fuel pump > On Facet fuel pumps.They these little pumps are offered with >diferent pressure's,according to how high it has to lift the gas,how far >ect.Hear's the good part,NAPA sell's these pump's if you know what pressure >to use. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ my humble opinion: - you MUST know what pressure your carb needs to buy a pump from any supplier. - The prices in "Wick's" are about as good as you will get from any supplier. They sell for $30 each except the 24 volt, low pressure unit that goes for $50. - In our applications we seldom need to "lift" the fuel at all. We supply the pump with fuel under gravity pressure or from wing tanks that require very little lift. I did however test my pumps using water and they were able to lift it 30 inches. _ The Wick's catalog gives you the info to determine the pump you need by voltage, gallons per hour flow, output pressure, and fitting size. Also on the same page are the fittings you may need to adapt the pumps for use in your aircraft system. Why look anywhere else? P.S. The catalog says they are "free flowing" and can be used in line with a mechnical pump so you MAY be able to use one directly in a gravity system but if you do you MUST check the flow rate with the pump installed and turned off. My guess is you won't get enough flow but that's only a GUESS. Larry Flesner flesner@midwest.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:24:11 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Landing gear Question? tricycle set up Message-ID: --part1_c3.2d3bf0a2.2b28c0ab_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mark Jones has excellent photos of the reroute of the cables and necessary mods mac --part1_c3.2d3bf0a2.2b28c0ab_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************