From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 17 Dec 2002 18:06:17 -0000 Issue 579 Date: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 10:07 AM krnet Digest 17 Dec 2002 18:06:17 -0000 Issue 579 Topics (messages 13868 through 13888): Cleaning Plexiglas 13868 by: JIM VANCE 13869 by: jim . synergy design Canopy Protection 13870 by: Phil Maley 13872 by: Dan Heath Re: New Guy From New York State 13871 by: Richard Parker KRNet Subscribers 13873 by: Hokanson, Michael J AM1 (VFA-113) 13874 by: Ron Eason 13875 by: wstarrs 13886 by: ArmChrAce.aol.com Re: aircraft brake fluid 13876 by: Linda Warner 13877 by: Hokanson, Michael J AM1 (VFA-113) Re: Has anyone extended a KR2S fuselage aft? 13878 by: Scott Cable major cool data plate 13879 by: Oscar Zuniga refueling from cans 13880 by: Oscar Zuniga 13882 by: virgnvs.juno.com 13883 by: WMartensJr.aol.com 13887 by: virgnvs.juno.com Canopy customer 13881 by: Edwin Blocher goo gone and cleaning plexi 13884 by: jim . synergy design Re: Torque for prop bolts 13885 by: bill kirkland Cutting Plexiglas 13888 by: Mauryhuntr.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:10:16 -0600 To: "kr net" From: "JIM VANCE" Subject: Cleaning Plexiglas Message-ID: <003d01c2a4bb$56a21e60$36000a0a@VANCE> ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C2A475.FC0C7940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the many replies to my query about getting the tape glue off = my windshield. I tried GoJo: It balled up the glue but wouldn't remove = it completely. I used WD-40. It removed the goo for the most part. I hope I didn't = scratch the Plexigla rubbing on the bad sports. I washed it down with = soap and water and I'm ready to go. It only took 12 hours to clean both surfaces of the windshield and = canopy. By the time I got it done, I decided that the Velocity builder = that told me to use packaging tape has a mother of loose morals and his = father didn't know him! Oh, well, building an airplane IS a learning = experience. Thanks again for all of the support. Jim Vance = Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C2A475.FC0C7940-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:43:51 -0800 To: From: "jim @ synergy design" Subject: Re: KR> Cleaning Plexiglas Message-ID: <001201c2a4d6$e1b223e0$0101a8c0@net> Monday I go into the "lab" armed with a bottle of "GOO GONE" ,not goof off, and a piece of plexiglass. film at11 Jim Sporka ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Freiberger" To: Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:49 PM Subject: RE: KR> Cleaning Plexiglas > > > > Be carefull of GOOF OFF, It mignt damage the plastic, Virg[Ron > Freiberger] (Said) > > [Ron Freiberger] > Is that information, or yet another OPINION WITHOUT A CAUSE? > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 18:19:48 +0800 To: "KRnet" From: "Phil Maley" Subject: Canopy Protection Message-ID: My canopy will probably be sitting around for a few more years before I can install it and presently is bare plexiglass. I saw some notes about using electrical tape but how about clear plastic book covering material? Anyone used it? Any problems with it apart from fitting the compount curves? Regards Phil Maley Perth Australia mailto:phil@wotech.com.au http://www.wotech.net/vk6ad/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 06:57:40 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Canopy Protection Message-Id: <3DFDE9E4.00000D.01004@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_48W724L0000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_58W7XFP0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_58W7XFP0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I have previously posted, we use a liquid called Spray Lat. You can g= et it from AS. You spray or paint it on like a latex paint. It dries almos= t clear. It is easy to remove if you put it on thick enough. It is just l= ike the stuff that comes on a bubble when you but it.=0D =0D I spray it out of my HVLP by adding just a little water.=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Monday, December 16, 2002 02:37:03 AM=0D To: KRnet=0D Subject: KR> Canopy Protection=0D =0D My canopy will probably be sitting around for a few more years before=0D I can install it and presently is bare plexiglass. I saw some notes=0D about using electrical tape but how about clear plastic book covering=0D material? Anyone used it? Any problems with it apart from fitting the=0D compount curves?=0D =0D Regards=0D Phil Maley=0D Perth Australia=0D mailto:phil@wotech.com.au=0D http://www.wotech.net/vk6ad/=0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_58W7XFP0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As I have previously posted, we use a liquid called Spray Lat. = You can get it from AS.  You spray or paint it on like a latex pain= t.  It dries almost clear.  It is easy to remove if you put it = on thick enough.  It is just like the stuff that comes on a bubble w= hen you but it.
 
I spray it out of my HVLP by adding just a little water.
 

DanRH@KR-Builder.org

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Daniel R= =2E Heath - Lexington, SC

See our KR2 at: ht= tp://kr-builder.org  Click on the Pic.

See our EAA Chapte= r 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

KR Purchasing Info at= : http://fly-kr.= com 

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Date: Monday, Dece= mber 16, 2002 02:37:03 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Ca= nopy Protection
 
My canopy will probably be sitting around for a few more= years before
I can install it and presently is bare plexiglass. I saw= some notes
about using electrical tape but how about clear plastic bo= ok covering
material? Anyone used it? Any problems with it apart from = fitting the
compount curves?

Regards
Phil Maley
Perth Aus= tralia
mailto:phil@wotech.com.au=
http://www.wotech.net/vk= 6ad/


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Rich Parker Peterborough, NH richontheroad@hotmail.com >From: hank clark >Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: KR> New Guy From New York State >Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:08:48 -0800 (PST) > >I'm one of those guys who somehow missed the KR aircraft until now. All of >the web sites have been a great help, along with the archive of postings. >What I'd really like is to just SEE a KR2s on triclycle gear for real. It >is difficult to determine who owns one within driving distance of Albany, >New York. I'm in Glens Falls, about 50 Miles north. Anybody out there? > >Hank Clark >hclark4@adelphia.net > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:59:18 +0400 To: "'KRnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "Hokanson, Michael J AM1 (VFA-113)" Subject: KRNet Subscribers Message-ID: I've been watching the posts for some time, and have noticed many KR builders around the world, from South Africa, USA as well as Australia. I'm sure there are many more out there. I've been contemplating the building of a kit aircraft, and after doing some research, the KR2S seems to be the most sensible, economical choice among the rest. After watching the posts and following the aircraft's history somewhat, I think this is the right choice, especially with an online support network such as yourselves. I'm an aviation structural mechanic and have been working with carrier aircraft for over 18 years, mostly with the F/A-18's. My home is in Nevada, just outside Reno, and is situated on 5 acres with a 2500 ft surfaced strip running across the property. I purchased the airpark property and built there with this pending project in mind. I'm currently onboard the carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, taking care of business and doing my part for what must be done. I may be headed "down under." shortly (Cannot reveal location/dates for obvious reasons). Out of curiosity, if I were to be at the Hyatt here shortly, anyone around with a builders manual I can take a look at while I drink a beer by the pool? Good luck to all with your projects, Mike -----Original Message----- From: Phil Maley [mailto:phil@wotech.com.au] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 2:20 To: KRnet Subject: KR> Canopy Protection My canopy will probably be sitting around for a few more years before I can install it and presently is bare plexiglass. I saw some notes about using electrical tape but how about clear plastic book covering material? Anyone used it? Any problems with it apart from fitting the compount curves? Regards Phil Maley Perth Australia mailto:phil@wotech.com.au http://www.wotech.net/vk6ad/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:20:54 -0800 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> KRNet Subscribers Message-Id: <200212160420.AA49348938@jrl-engineering.com> Thanks for what you are doing out their. Take a look at some of the KR builder sites also. They will give you some good insite to what the process is all about. Thanks, KRRon ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Hokanson, Michael J AM1 (VFA-113)" Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:59:18 +0400 >I've been watching the posts for some time, and have noticed many KR >builders around the world, from South Africa, USA as well as Australia. I'm >sure there are many more out there. I've been contemplating the building of >a kit aircraft, and after doing some research, the KR2S seems to be the most >sensible, economical choice among the rest. After watching the posts and >following the aircraft's history somewhat, I think this is the right choice, >especially with an online support network such as yourselves. I'm an >aviation structural mechanic and have been working with carrier aircraft for >over 18 years, mostly with the F/A-18's. My home is in Nevada, just outside >Reno, and is situated on 5 acres with a 2500 ft surfaced strip running >across the property. I purchased the airpark property and built there with >this pending project in mind. I'm currently onboard the carrier USS Abraham >Lincoln, taking care of business and doing my part for what must be done. I >may be headed "down under." shortly (Cannot reveal location/dates for >obvious reasons). Out of curiosity, if I were to be at the Hyatt here >shortly, anyone around with a builders manual I can take a look at while I >drink a beer by the pool? Good luck to all with your projects, > >Mike > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Phil Maley [mailto:phil@wotech.com.au] >Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 2:20 >To: KRnet >Subject: KR> Canopy Protection > > >My canopy will probably be sitting around for a few more years before >I can install it and presently is bare plexiglass. I saw some notes >about using electrical tape but how about clear plastic book covering >material? Anyone used it? Any problems with it apart from fitting the >compount curves? > >Regards >Phil Maley >Perth Australia >mailto:phil@wotech.com.au >http://www.wotech.net/vk6ad/ > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > -- Ronald R. Eason Sr. Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 05:45:50 -0700 To: From: "wstarrs" Subject: Re: KR> KRNet Subscribers Message-ID: <001201c2a501$10cb3b60$9200a8c0@bstarrs> GOOD LUCK TO YOU MIKE AND TO ALL OF YOUR SHIP MATES. THANKS TO ALL OF YOU "FOR DOING WHAT HAS TO BE DONE" Bill Starrs, Prescott, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hokanson, Michael J AM1 (VFA-113)" To: Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 4:59 AM Subject: KR> KRNet Subscribers > I've been watching the posts for some time, and have noticed many KR > builders around the world, from South Africa, USA as well as Australia. I'm > sure there are many more out there. I've been contemplating the building of > a kit aircraft, and after doing some research, the KR2S seems to be the most > sensible, economical choice among the rest. After watching the posts and > following the aircraft's history somewhat, I think this is the right choice, > especially with an online support network such as yourselves. I'm an > aviation structural mechanic and have been working with carrier aircraft for > over 18 years, mostly with the F/A-18's. My home is in Nevada, just outside > Reno, and is situated on 5 acres with a 2500 ft surfaced strip running > across the property. I purchased the airpark property and built there with > this pending project in mind. I'm currently onboard the carrier USS Abraham > Lincoln, taking care of business and doing my part for what must be done. I > may be headed "down under." shortly (Cannot reveal location/dates for > obvious reasons). Out of curiosity, if I were to be at the Hyatt here > shortly, anyone around with a builders manual I can take a look at while I > drink a beer by the pool? Good luck to all with your projects, > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Maley [mailto:phil@wotech.com.au] > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 2:20 > To: KRnet > Subject: KR> Canopy Protection > > > My canopy will probably be sitting around for a few more years before > I can install it and presently is bare plexiglass. I saw some notes > about using electrical tape but how about clear plastic book covering > material? Anyone used it? Any problems with it apart from fitting the > compount curves? > > Regards > Phil Maley > Perth Australia > mailto:phil@wotech.com.au > http://www.wotech.net/vk6ad/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > --------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance 1st month Free! Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 04:30:42 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: ArmChrAce@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> KRNet Subscribers Message-ID: <104.2237658e.2b3048c2@aol.com> Mike Red your mail to KRnet. I am a new subscriber, live about 30 mi form Reno, will be building a KR2S, spent some time on a rust bucket in the Pacific (CVS-20) ex ATW/ATR/ATN. That was long long ago Where is your 2500 ft strip? When do your figure on starting to build? There is a lot of good usable info on this net. You can contact me off Net @ armchrace@aol.com Ernie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:54:59 -0500 (EST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: jaslkw@webtv.net (Linda Warner) Subject: Fwd: Re: KR> aircraft brake fluid Message-ID: <24252-3DFDCD23-5602@storefull-2171.public.lawson.webtv.net> --WebTV-Mail-27560-2855 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Not only will the automotive brake fluid attack the seals in the aircraft brakes, it will cause them to swell so much they will lock up and have to be forcibly disassembled. To my knowledge, there is only one approved fluid to be used in the aircraft brake system unless otherwise specifically stated by the equipment manufacturer and that is MIL 5606 hydraulic fluid. It's not terribly expensive..something on the order of $15-18/ gallon. Much less than bottled water! John Sickafoose EAA Tech Counselor Naples, Fl --WebTV-Mail-27560-2855 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpinvite-2001-2.public.lawson.webtv.net (172.16.213.202) by storefull-2174.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:40:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailinglists.org (server1.mailinglists.org [63.160.175.18]) by smtpinvite-2001-2.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with SMTP id CEB28FE0B for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:40:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4383 invoked by alias); 16 Dec 2002 00:39:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact krnet-help@mailinglists.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Delivered-To: mailing list krnet@mailinglists.org Received: (qmail 4374 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 00:39:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20021216004000.68713.qmail@web21210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:40:00 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Wilson To: KRnet@mailinglists.org In-Reply-To: <20021215.192943.-500587.12.virgnvs@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: KR> aircraft brake fluid Virg, I've been told that regular DOT type brake fluid will break down the rubber seals used in aircraft type master cylinders. Rick Wilson. --- virgnvs@juno.com wrote: > Wont DOT-3 work, Virg > > On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:26:42 -0800 (PST) Rick Wilson > > writes: > > Hi, Can anyone tell me if there is any fluid that > can > > be substituted for mil spec red brake fluid where > it > > is called for in brake master cylinders? I was > hoping > > there would be something I could get locally > instead > > of waiting a week for just one pint if I have to > order > > it. Thanks, Rickey Wilson. rwdw2002@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > , NOT "reply > > all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL > WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --WebTV-Mail-27560-2855-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:05:44 +0400 To: "'KRnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "Hokanson, Michael J AM1 (VFA-113)" Subject: RE: Re: KR> aircraft brake fluid Message-ID: Fluid we currently use in our jets is MIL-H-83282. If that's what you come across in your search, I believe you can use that also. Mike Nevada, USA -----Original Message----- From: jaslkw@webtv.net [mailto:jaslkw@webtv.net] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 4:55 To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Fwd: Re: KR> aircraft brake fluid Not only will the automotive brake fluid attack the seals in the aircraft brakes, it will cause them to swell so much they will lock up and have to be forcibly disassembled. To my knowledge, there is only one approved fluid to be used in the aircraft brake system unless otherwise specifically stated by the equipment manufacturer and that is MIL 5606 hydraulic fluid. It's not terribly expensive..something on the order of $15-18/ gallon. Much less than bottled water! John Sickafoose EAA Tech Counselor Naples, Fl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:36:27 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org, pond27@rogers.com From: Scott Cable Subject: RE: KR> Has anyone extended a KR2S fuselage aft? Message-ID: <20021216163627.90502.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Darren, I'm building a KR-2S with a EA-81 Turbo. The Fuselage is built per the "S" Supplement. I plan on building the mount so that it attaches close to the longerons, and will deteminr the length to bring in the Weight and Balance. In order to control the "pitch sensitivity, I am using Mark Langford's elevator counterbalance idea, and I'm using a center mounted control stick that is 1 1/2 longer. I'm doing this so that it takes a longer stroke to move the elevator, thus decreasing the tendency for "pilot induced pitch oscillations". I'm using the Turbo Sube motor because I plan on using the turbo to contol the engine output rather than using a reduction drive. --- Darren Pond wrote: > You want to ask this question on the Subu lists. I'm > also on them and there > is a number of KR builders with the same intent as > you. > > Darren Pond > CF-VML Taylor Mono plane almost flying. > C-GGGW KR2 1835vw coming to a airport near you this > spring > PondHopper 2 place 2.2 turbo (building stage) > Cambridge Ont Canada > pond27@rogers.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: josandt@netzero.net > [mailto:josandt@netzero.net] > Sent: December 14, 2002 7:33 PM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> Has anyone extended a KR2S fuselage > aft? > > > Hi, guys! I'm an "ignorant" new guy with my first > krnet post. I'm beginning > construction of a KR2S and want to follow Mark > Langford's idea of extending > the fuselage aft a bit. Has anyone out there done > it? Does it help pitch > sensitivity? I'm planning on running a Subu EA81 > engine (185 lbs min.). I > would guess that the fuselage might need an extra > bay or two without any > extension forward of the spar, but I'm interested in > hearing from someone > who's doing the same OR has already got one flying. > John > > --------------------------------------------- > Introducing NetZero Long Distance > 1st month Free! > Sign up today at: www.netzerolongdistance.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Livonia, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:52:12 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: major cool data plate Message-ID: Okay Mark Langford, Mark Jones, and whoever else- if you get your planes finished and flying in 2003, you can get some sort of commemorative dataplate (100th anniversary of powered flight) from EAA. No pictures, but details at http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/021212_package.html I know I'm wishing I could get my little "KR Construction Trainer" (M-19 Flying Squirrel) finished in time to celebrate... Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:58:55 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org, corvaircraft@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: refueling from cans Message-ID: Just to add another incident/accident to the knowledge base: a couple of days ago a man was burned just south of here while filling 7 portable containers in the back of his truck, on his way to the farm. While filling the last container a flash ignited the vapors and off she went. There was no mention of the type of container, but my suspicion is that it was plastic jugs. We have had some cooler, drier weather with attendant low humidity, and static electricity is suspected. The article did say that the risk might have been reduced if the man had placed the containers down on the concrete before refueling. Fortunately, we have a world-class burn center here (U.S. Army Institute of Surgical Research) so the victim is in great hands. This subject has come up before in connection with the use of auto gas and portable containers, but some folks don't understand how a non-conductive container (like plastic) could possibly cause a spark that could ignite fuel vapors. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:52:14 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org,corvaircraft@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> refueling from cans Message-ID: <20021216.195246.-422535.2.virgnvs@juno.com> Rub a plastic comb on wool on a clear dry day, Virg On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 15:58:55 -0600 "Oscar Zuniga" writes: > Just to add another incident/accident to the knowledge base: a couple > of > days ago a man was burned just south of here while filling 7 > portable > containers in the back of his truck, on his way to the farm. While > filling > the last container a flash ignited the vapors and off she went. > There was > no mention of the type of container, but my suspicion is that it was > plastic > jugs. We have had some cooler, drier weather with attendant low > humidity, > and static electricity is suspected. The article did say that the > risk > might have been reduced if the man had placed the containers down on > the > concrete before refueling. Fortunately, we have a world-class burn > center > here (U.S. Army Institute of Surgical Research) so the victim is in > great > hands. > > This subject has come up before in connection with the use of auto > gas and > portable containers, but some folks don't understand how a > non-conductive > container (like plastic) could possibly cause a spark that could > ignite fuel > vapors. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:33:35 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: WMartensJr@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> refueling from cans Message-ID: <190.1273f9d0.2b2ff50f@aol.com> --part1_190.1273f9d0.2b2ff50f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the full skinny for those whoa re interested. Firefighters responded to the scene after static electricity ignited gasoline as a man filled gas cans in the bed of this pickup truck at the shoppette at Lackland Air Force Base, Texas. Static electricity can ignite gasoline fumes, according to safety officials. (Photo by Mario B. Gutierrez) | High-res version of this photo Error fuels base service station blaze by James Coburn 37th Training Wing Public Affairs12/11/02 - LACKLAND AIR FORCE BASE, Texas (AFPN) -- A 50-year-old retired technical sergeant was severely burned on both legs recently after static electricity ignited gasoline as he filled gas cans in the bed of his pickup truck at the base shoppette here. Lackland Fire Chief J.L. Ball said a placard on the gasoline pumps warns motorists to put gas cans on the ground to fill them, but people might not notice them. In a video taken by the Army and Air Force Exchange Service store's security camera, four bystanders are shown frantically using their own clothing to help put out the flames burning on the man's gasoline-soaked pants legs and shoes. Tech. Sgt. Ed Jones, a Warrior Week instructor and one of the bystanders, removed his battle dress uniform top and wrapped it around the man's legs to help extinguish the flames, but they kept re-igniting. Thinking quickly, he pulled a window cleaner reservoir from a rack at the pump and poured the water on the man's legs. A shoppette mechanic rushed the man to nearby Wilford Hall Medical Center in his pickup. Jones, who accompanied the man, also was treated for minor burns he received as he smothered flames. Safety officials long have warned people not to fill gas cans sitting inside vehicles or in truck beds because of the danger of gasoline vapors being ignited by static electricity. Another hazard reported recently is getting back into a car and not touching a metal ground before returning to the refueling nozzle and causing a static electricity spark. In a video of the incident, the man is seen standing in the bed of his pickup as he fills five 5-gallon gas cans (three plastic and two metal) over a period of several minutes before a flash fire erupts. Lt. Col. Brian Mullin, a former safety officer at Ramstein Air Base, Germany, is seen driving up to an adjacent pump and starting to fill his vehicle when he notices what the man is doing just before the fire. Mullin, now undergoing instructor pilot training at Randolph Air Force Base, Texas, said the retiree "did one of the classic things you shouldn't do ... refueling external gas cans (above ground) with plastic or rubber shoes on. This is an extremely textbook case of static electricity igniting an instantaneous fire. "I was moving my lips to tell him, 'Sir, don't do that,' when the first flame started in the back of his truck," added Mullin. "I saw the flame, and I told him to jump," he said. "He dropped the hose, which sprayed gas all over the truck. I told him to jump and run, which would have been really a good thing to do, but instead, he tried to throw the 5-gallon can that he had just fueled out the back to get it away from his truck, and that started the whole area on fire. "So now he's on fire, the back of the truck's on fire, and the can that just hit the ground started a big fire behind the truck." The man ran between the burning truck and the pump toward the store before he dropped and rolled on the pavement. Mullin ran after the man, ripping off his two T-shirts to beat out the burning clothes, "but they did not do much good because they (caught) on fire," he said. Jones ran to use his BDU top on the flames, and another man and a woman also helped the retiree. Firefighters arrived on scene within two minutes and extinguished the blazing truck five minutes after arriving. Ball said the damage to the AAFES fuel pump was estimated at $10,000 to $15,000 and to the retiree's 1993 Mazda pickup, $2,500. The retiree, who received third-degree burns of his legs below the knees, later was transferred to local Brooke Army Medical Center's burn unit for further treatment. Related Images Firefighters responded to the scene after static electricity ignited gasoline as a man filled gas cans in the bed of this pickup truck at the shoppette at Lackland Air Force Base, Texas. Static electricity can ignite gasoline fumes, according to safety officials. (Photo by Mario B. Gutierrez) This fuel pump was damaged after static electricity ignited gasoline as a man filled gas cans in the bed of this pickup truck at the shoppette at Lackland Air Force Base, Texas. Static electricity can ignite gasoline fumes, according to safety officials. (Photo by Mario B. Gutierrez) http://www.af.mil/news/Dec2002/121102225print.shtml Walt In a message dated 12/16/2002 5:24:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: > Just to add another incident/accident to the knowledge base: a couple of > days ago a man was burned just south of here while filling 7 portable > containers in the back of his truck, on his way to the farm. While filling > > the last container a flash ignited the vapors and off she went. There was > no mention of the type of container, but my suspicion is that it was > plastic > jugs. We have had some cooler, drier weather with attendant low humidity, > and static electricity is suspected. The article did say that the risk > might have been reduced if the man had placed the containers down on the > concrete before refueling. Fortunately, we have a world-class burn center > here (U.S. Army Institute of Surgical Research) so the victim is in great > hands. > > This subject has come up before in connection with the use of auto gas and > portable containers, but some folks don't understand how a non-conductive > container (like plastic) could possibly cause a spark that could ignite > fuel > vapors. > --part1_190.1273f9d0.2b2ff50f_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:30:50 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> refueling from cans Message-ID: <20021217.103814.-449127.0.virgnvs@juno.com> The flow of gasoline causes a static buildup and the plastic cans are at a different potential than the metal pump nozzle. This causes a spark to jump the gap to the plastic can, and BOOM. You coud put a wire on the pump nozzle and have it touching the plastic to prevent that happening, Virg On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:33:35 EST WMartensJr@aol.com writes: > Here's the full skinny for those whoa re interested. > > Firefighters responded to the scene after static electricity ignited > gasoline > as a man filled gas cans in the bed of this pickup truck at the > shoppette at > Lackland Air Force Base, Texas. Static electricity can ignite > gasoline fumes, > according to safety officials. (Photo by Mario B. Gutierrez) | HREF="http://www.af.mil/photos/images/021211_56.jpg">High-res > version of this photo > Error fuels base service station blaze > > by James Coburn > 37th Training Wing Public Affairs12/11/02 - LACKLAND AIR FORCE BASE, > Texas > (AFPN) -- A 50-year-old retired technical sergeant was severely > burned on > both legs recently after static electricity ignited gasoline as he > filled gas > cans in the bed of his pickup truck at the base shoppette here. > Lackland Fire > Chief J.L. Ball said a placard on the gasoline pumps warns motorists > to put > gas cans on the ground to fill them, but people might not notice > them. In a > video taken by the Army and Air Force Exchange Service store's > security > camera, four bystanders are shown frantically using their own > clothing to > help put out the flames burning on the man's gasoline-soaked pants > legs and > shoes. Tech. Sgt. Ed Jones, a Warrior Week instructor and one of the > > bystanders, removed his battle dress uniform top and wrapped it > around the > man's legs to help extinguish the flames, but they kept re-igniting. > Thinking > quickly, he pulled a window cleaner reservoir from a rack at the > pump and > poured the water on the man's legs. A shoppette mechanic rushed the > man to > nearby Wilford Hall Medical Center in his pickup. Jones, who > accompanied the > man, also was treated for minor burns he received as he smothered > flames. > Safety officials long have warned people not to fill gas cans > sitting inside > vehicles or in truck beds because of the danger of gasoline vapors > being > ignited by static electricity. Another hazard reported recently is > getting > back into a car and not touching a metal ground before returning to > the > refueling nozzle and causing a static electricity spark. In a video > of the > incident, the man is seen standing in the bed of his pickup as he > fills five > 5-gallon gas cans (three plastic and two metal) over a period of > several > minutes before a flash fire erupts. Lt. Col. Brian Mullin, a former > safety > officer at Ramstein Air Base, Germany, is seen driving up to an > adjacent pump > and starting to fill his vehicle when he notices what the man is > doing just > before the fire. Mullin, now undergoing instructor pilot training at > Randolph > Air Force Base, Texas, said the retiree "did one of the classic > things you > shouldn't do ... refueling external gas cans (above ground) with > plastic or > rubber shoes on. This is an extremely textbook case of static > electricity > igniting an instantaneous fire. "I was moving my lips to tell him, > 'Sir, > don't do that,' when the first flame started in the back of his > truck," added > Mullin. "I saw the flame, and I told him to jump," he said. "He > dropped the > hose, which sprayed gas all over the truck. I told him to jump and > run, which > would have been really a good thing to do, but instead, he tried to > throw the > 5-gallon can that he had just fueled out the back to get it away > from his > truck, and that started the whole area on fire. "So now he's on > fire, the > back of the truck's on fire, and the can that just hit the ground > started a > big fire behind the truck." The man ran between the burning truck > and the > pump toward the store before he dropped and rolled on the pavement. > Mullin > ran after the man, ripping off his two T-shirts to beat out the > burning > clothes, "but they did not do much good because they (caught) on > fire," he > said. Jones ran to use his BDU top on the flames, and another man > and a woman > also helped the retiree. Firefighters arrived on scene within two > minutes and > extinguished the blazing truck five minutes after arriving. Ball > said the > damage to the AAFES fuel pump was estimated at $10,000 to $15,000 > and to the > retiree's 1993 Mazda pickup, $2,500. The retiree, who received > third-degree > burns of his legs below the knees, later was transferred to local > Brooke Army > Medical Center's burn unit for further treatment. > Related Images > Firefighters responded to the scene after static electricity ignited > gasoline > as a man filled gas cans in the bed of this pickup truck at the > shoppette at > Lackland Air Force Base, Texas. Static electricity can ignite > gasoline fumes, > according to safety officials. (Photo by Mario B. Gutierrez) > This fuel pump was damaged after static electricity ignited gasoline > as a man > filled gas cans in the bed of this pickup truck at the shoppette at > Lackland > Air Force Base, Texas. Static electricity can ignite gasoline fumes, > > according to safety officials. (Photo by Mario B. Gutierrez) > > > http://www.af.mil/news/Dec2002/121102225print.shtml > > Walt > > > > > In a message dated 12/16/2002 5:24:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, > taildrags@hotmail.com writes: > > > > Just to add another incident/accident to the knowledge base: a > couple of > > days ago a man was burned just south of here while filling 7 > portable > > containers in the back of his truck, on his way to the farm. > While filling > > > > the last container a flash ignited the vapors and off she went. > There was > > no mention of the type of container, but my suspicion is that it > was > > plastic > > jugs. We have had some cooler, drier weather with attendant low > humidity, > > and static electricity is suspected. The article did say that the > risk > > might have been reduced if the man had placed the containers down > on the > > concrete before refueling. Fortunately, we have a world-class > burn center > > here (U.S. Army Institute of Surgical Research) so the victim is > in great > > hands. > > > > This subject has come up before in connection with the use of auto > gas and > > portable containers, but some folks don't understand how a > non-conductive > > container (like plastic) could possibly cause a spark that could > ignite > > fuel > > vapors. > > > > > > > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:03:06 -0600 To: "KRNet" From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Canopy customer Message-ID: <009001c2a557$4c927680$0201a8c0@computer> ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C2A525.00F319A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Will the person from Valdosta, GA who ordered a canopy from Todd please = contact me off net.=20 ED Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL eblocher@earthlink.net ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C2A525.00F319A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:17:34 -0800 To: From: "jim @ synergy design" Subject: goo gone and cleaning plexi Message-ID: <003901c2a593$fea384e0$0101a8c0@net> ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C2A550.EF415C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This just in. After soaking some Plexiglas samples( and a piece of = Lexan,I think) , It safely removed the Duct tape residue carelessly left = there by some incompetent lab assistant. I am soaking the Plexiglas = overnight just to see what happens. I can't figure this out. On the = front of the label, It says " Harmful or fatal if swallowed"(petroleum = distillates). On the back label , it says non- toxic. In any case, use = soap and water to remove any trace of the Goo Gone. I do not know if = Goof Off has the same makeup. I've used both. Hope this helps, Jim = Sporka ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C2A550.EF415C40-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:53:23 -0500 To: From: "bill kirkland" Subject: Re: KR> Torque for prop bolts Message-ID: <000001c2a58d$c0559080$eb942a18@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Mark; I always thought you were supposed to use a crush plate on wooden props. Washers are only for metal props. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: Re: KR> Torque for prop bolts > Wow! That last email sent itself, way before I was ready! To continue... > > and then later Brian (Whatcott) wrote: > > "I see that Jean offered 10 ft.lbs on a VW hub, and Don offered 19 ft.lbs on > a C200 hub. > > Let's see if I can drum up some numbers. > > The crush strength across grain for a variety of suitable timbers is given > below. (from Macabee) > Both hard and softwoods are used in props, sometimes together. > > Ash 1680 psi > Birch 1380 > Oak 1450 > Spruce 740 > > (If these numbers are worrying, remember that ALONG the grain as in WAFs on > spars these woods are much tougher, spruce is 4700 vs 740 psi for instance) > > Prop bolts are usually used to tension a prop plate against the hub. > A sample plate is say 5 in od, 3 in od, that's 19.6 - 7.1 = 12.5 sq in > > Assume the prop is all spruce ( but could be a wood twice as resistant to > crush) > then the allowable force is say 80% crush or 740 x 0.8 x 12.5 = 7400 pounds > shared by six bolts, that's 1233 lbs per bolt. > > Picking a bolt size out of the air ( 3/8 x 16) where you might be using > 5/16 in > or even 1/4 in - the thread on this particular bolt rises 0.053in per inch > of circumference, so in ideal circumstances, you would apply 1233 x .053 = > 65 lbs at 3/16 inch from the bolt axis, that's 29 ft.lbs. > > In view of the uncertainties surrounding this calculation ( e.g is the prop > washer REALLY stiff enough not to deflect when the bolts are tightened?) > I would use Jean's number 10 ft.lbs as a lower limit, and this number as > an upper limit, and start with Don's number - 19 ft.lbs. > But if you see a permanent depression in the hub behind the washer, you > tightened too much!" > > And I was going to start all of this with "Brian Whatcott commented on this > a few years ago on KRnet, and made the following observations...". I found > this stuff in the archives by keying in "prop, torque, and from Brian > Whatcott". Still, there is no better source of info than the prop > manufacturer. > > Other comments are certainly welcome, but I thought I'd throw this out > there... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:06:21 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mauryhuntr@aol.com Subject: Cutting Plexiglas Message-ID: <10.29f37c8d.2b30c19d@aol.com> --part1_10.29f37c8d.2b30c19d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Years ago I was told a tip for cutting Plexiglas. At that time he was referring to flat material. I have never had a need to try it myself but, for what it's worth, here was the suggestion. Use a fine tooth bandsaw blade but reverse it (turn the blade circle inside out) so the teeth enter the plastic backwards. I wouldn't try it unless I had some scrap to use first. Good luck! Maury Hunter ph 515 244 7980 fax 515 244 7952 --part1_10.29f37c8d.2b30c19d_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************