From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 19 Dec 2002 17:08:29 -0000 Issue 583 Date: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:09 AM krnet Digest 19 Dec 2002 17:08:29 -0000 Issue 583 Topics (messages 13932 through 13952): Re: aircraft brake fluid 13932 by: GARYKR2.cs.com 13933 by: GARYKR2.cs.com 13935 by: Rick Wilson 13939 by: Bill Higdon Re: 2004 KR Gathering 13934 by: Rick Wilson 13936 by: Brian Kraut 13947 by: Frank Ross pipe thread seal 13937 by: Brian Kraut 13941 by: Deems Herring Re: Dictionary of Composite Materials Technology 13938 by: Brian Kraut Re: Has anyone extended a KR2S fuselage aft? 13940 by: Lynn Hyder Re: 2004 Gathering 13942 by: Edwin Blocher 13944 by: larry flesner 13949 by: Ron Thomas 13951 by: Dan Heath 13952 by: Ron Thomas KR Gathering 13943 by: larry flesner 13945 by: Dan Heath 13946 by: larry flesner Re: Elevator weight 13948 by: Paolo Cavazzuti Out of Pocket Expenses for Gathering? 13950 by: Dan Heath Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:39:50 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> aircraft brake fluid Message-ID: <10f.1bc63ee8.2b328b76@cs.com> In a message dated 12/13/02 7:27:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, rwdw2002@yahoo.com writes: << Can anyone tell me if there is any fluid that can be substituted for mil spec red brake fluid where it is called for in brake master cylinders? >> NO! Auto and aircraft brake fluid are not even close. If you use auto fluid in the system it will destroy ALL the seals. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:39:50 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> aircraft brake fluid Message-ID: <10f.1bc63ee8.2b328b76@cs.com> In a message dated 12/13/02 7:27:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, rwdw2002@yahoo.com writes: << Can anyone tell me if there is any fluid that can be substituted for mil spec red brake fluid where it is called for in brake master cylinders? >> NO! Auto and aircraft brake fluid are not even close. If you use auto fluid in the system it will destroy ALL the seals. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:47:57 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Wilson Subject: Re: KR> aircraft brake fluid Message-ID: <20021219024757.38162.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> Gary, I didn't ask if auto brake fluid could be used. I know it can't, that's why I asked if anyone knew of a SUBSTITUTE for mil spec fluid. Thanks, Rick Wilson. --- GARYKR2@cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/13/02 7:27:10 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > rwdw2002@yahoo.com writes: > > << Can anyone tell me if there is any fluid that can > be substituted for mil spec red brake fluid where > it > is called for in brake master cylinders? >> > > NO! Auto and aircraft brake fluid are not even > close. If you use auto > fluid in the system it will destroy ALL the seals. > Gary Hinkle (A/P) > Middletown, Pa. > garykr2@cs.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:31:41 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Bill Higdon Subject: Re: KR> aircraft brake fluid Message-ID: <3E013D9D.9000205@attbi.com> Amen, Gary, Aircraft is an oil based hydrulic fluid, At one time I think Ford ATF (red) was an acceptable substitute. Bill Higdon GARYKR2@cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/13/02 7:27:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rwdw2002@yahoo.com writes: > > << Can anyone tell me if there is any fluid that can > be substituted for mil spec red brake fluid where it > is called for in brake master cylinders? >> > > NO! Auto and aircraft brake fluid are not even close. If you use auto > fluid in the system it will destroy ALL the seals. > Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. > garykr2@cs.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:42:19 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Wilson Subject: Re: KR> 2004 KR Gathering Message-ID: <20021219024219.26492.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I'm not yet an attendee of a gathering so I don't know if my opinion counts for much, but Mt. Vernon, Illinois sounds like a great place to hold a gathering. Rick Wilson. --- Dan Heath wrote: > Did Lake Barkley have a host? It would be great to > have several hosts with > great sites to choose from. Then it would be easier > to move it each year to > another great location. If we were not so far East, > I would find a great > airport around here and host it one year. I just we > need to keep it > somewhat centrally located, but will be willing to > help in any way I can, > remotely. > > Covington and Columbia Tennessee were very good > locations with great hosts. > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > See ya in Red Oak --- 2003, > > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > > See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the > Pic. > > See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG > > KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com > -------Original Message------- > > From: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Date: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 04:19:49 AM > To: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> 2004 KR Gathering > > It was proposed two years ago at Lake Barkley and > only had two votes. > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dan Heath > To: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:47 AM > Subject: Re: KR> 2004 KR Gathering > > > Mark, > > Host it in Wisconsin. I would love to go home for a > week. > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See ya in Red Oak --- 2003, > > Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > > See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the > Pic. > > See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG > > KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com > > -------Original Message------- > > From: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Date: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 08:47:07 PM > To: KR-Net > Subject: KR> 2004 KR Gathering > > In 1998 I attended my first KR Gathering and vowed > never to miss another one > regardless of where it is. I did miss the Gathering > this past September due > to having a new born daughter only six weeks old at > the time and my wife > told me if I went to the gathering, I would return > to find a large pile of > firewood which was once a KR airplane. I opted to > stay home. Anyway, with > the modern modes of travel we have these days, the > extremely low airfares > and your desire to attend a gathering, there is no > reason for you not to. > There is plenty of time to plan. I have already > scheduled a full week for > this year's Gathering. For those of you in areas > other than the central and > Midwest USA, you do have a voice in where the > Gathering is to be held. Just > saying, let's have it in Denver, Phoenix or Las > Vegas, etc...simply will not > get it there. You must be willing to host the > Gathering and make a good > presentation of the proposed site. Including all > airport facilities and > accommodations. Local area attractions for the > family. Lodging which is > available in the area....etc. The area must be > inviting.....and preferably > not a dry county. There are those who like a good > cold one when telling > aviation stories. There is a lot of time from now to > September to make your > sales pitch to all of us here on the KR Net as to > where the Gathering should > be. You do not have to be at the Gathering to > convince us you have the best > place for the next Gathering, just have someone else > make the presentation > for you at the Gathering and then the votes will > decide. Just another > thought here....Do up a web page of your proposed > site with photos and > information. That would surely be a great selling > tool. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:07:55 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Brian Kraut Subject: Re: KR> 2004 KR Gathering Message-ID: <3E01380B.6050509@earthlink.net> Might I suggest you take a poll of what state to have it in. Stick a bunch of pins in a map where all of us KR people want it, then centrally locate it between the greatest concentration of pins. Obviously, if half of us are within 500 miles of each other and the other half is scattered around the rest of the country you will get the best turnout if you put it right in the middle of the big group. Alternating between the central west coast, midwest, and central east coast seems like a fair way to do it also. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:54:46 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> 2004 KR Gathering Message-ID: <20021219155446.29366.qmail@web40911.mail.yahoo.com> Been trying to keep my mouth shut, but I have to weigh in here. It does not matter where the MOST people want the Gathering if there is no one or no place there to host it, or, if the KRs cannot get there. ESSENTIAL FACTORS (except for # 1., not necessarily in this order): 1. Willing and ABLE host.(Being a HOST is expensive and time-consuming and requires EXCELLENT PR skills) 2. Airport (hangers preferred, but not required) 3. Within two-hour driving time from major airport, but not in high air-traffic zone. 4. A couple of decent motels available. (This is tricky, because they may be booked for reunions, conventions, etc.) 5. Good weather Phoenix, AZ, in August has HIGH humidity, 100* + temps, along with severe thunderstorms and winds which would blow most KRs right out of their tie-downs - which you may not realize if you live in New Hampshire, for instance, and are under the badly mistaken impression that Phoenix is anything like comfortable in August. September in San Antonio, TX, is VERY hot and humid and would be a miserable place to have the Gathering. In Nov, San Antonio would be perfect except it is surrounded by MOAs and everyone would probably fly right over the President's ranch (do you know where it is?) and get shot down. My point is that if we have someone with the ability and willingness to sponsor or HOST a Gathering, half the battle is won. If he/she has a place that covers most of the rest of the above factors, we'd better grab it before he comes to his senses. Mt Vernon sounds good to me. Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:21:22 -0500 To: krnet From: Brian Kraut Subject: pipe thread seal Message-ID: <3E013B32.4000205@earthlink.net> I have some 90 degree pipe fittings coming off of my oil cooler that I need to have oriented in the right direction. Of course, with pipe threads it is always at the ideal tightness 180 degrees away from where you want it tightened to. I could play with tapping the threads just right or using more or less teflon pipe tape, but I would rather use some kind of thread lock/sealent. The pipe dope at my local hardware store says it is not hardening so I am not sure if it would keep the fitting from turning at the position I put it in. I could use regular thread locking compound, but I am not sure what kind of seal that would make on 100 PSI oil lines. Is there a correct sealent to use for this? The Great Plains master cylinders have some kind of compound on them that looks like normal thread locking compound. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:57:59 -0600 To: , From: "Deems Herring" Subject: RE: KR> pipe thread seal Message-ID: <002001c2a71b$34898ae0$6400a8c0@BackOffice> Loctite makes sealants for what you want to do. I believe their 545 would work for what you want. Go to http://www.loctite.com/literature/adhesive_sourcebook.html and you can find their application guides in pdf format, find the type that fits your application and check that the working temperature is adequate for your use. Deems Herring, Baudette Minnesota mailto:ballross@wiktel.com -----Original Message----- From: Brian Kraut [mailto:engalt@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 9:21 PM To: krnet Subject: KR> pipe thread seal I have some 90 degree pipe fittings coming off of my oil cooler that I need to have oriented in the right direction. Of course, with pipe threads it is always at the ideal tightness 180 degrees away from where you want it tightened to. I could play with tapping the threads just right or using more or less teflon pipe tape, but I would rather use some kind of thread lock/sealent. The pipe dope at my local hardware store says it is not hardening so I am not sure if it would keep the fitting from turning at the position I put it in. I could use regular thread locking compound, but I am not sure what kind of seal that would make on 100 PSI oil lines. Is there a correct sealent to use for this? The Great Plains master cylinders have some kind of compound on them that looks like normal thread locking compound. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 12/6/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 12/6/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:23:19 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Brian Kraut Subject: Re: KR> Dictionary of Composite Materials Technology Message-ID: <3E013BA7.6050906@earthlink.net> It is unidirectional. That is why you wrap a few layers of BID cloth around the legs to keep it from splitting at the attach point bolt holes. Peg and Mike Meyer wrote: >Here's an excellent website for everything composite - it's the CRC online composite dicitionary. You have to tolerate a lot pop-up ads and crap like that, but the depth and breadth of the information is worth the trouble. > >Oh, and by the way, can anyone tell if the Scothply that Dan Diehl uses for his gear struts is unidirectional or bidirectional glass? > >Thanks, > >Mike Meyer > > http://composite.about.com/library/glossary/blglossary.htm > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:58:35 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Lynn Hyder" Subject: Re: KR> Has anyone extended a KR2S fuselage aft? Message-ID: You should'nt have to if your using a proper scarf joint. Lynn N37LH >From: "Patrick Driscoll" >Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >To: >Subject: Re: KR> Has anyone extended a KR2S fuselage aft? >Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:57:45 -0600 > >Slip an extra cross at the end of the plywood sheet. > > > >------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! >------ > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:08:35 -0600 To: From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> 2004 Gathering Message-ID: <004601c2a71c$af9cb1c0$0201a8c0@computer> What do you think the controllers would say after 10 or 20 "missed approaches" at 150+ mph , 10ft. AGL down the runway? Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL eblocher@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:11 PM Subject: KR> 2004 Gathering > >I would actually suggest moving the event to Williamson County Airport in > >Marion, IL. (45 minutes south of Mt Vernon); It could easily accommodate us > >with plenty of evening entertainment, restaurants and hotels. > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Williamson County airport would be a very good location and I've > even spoken with them and the tourism bureau and they would lend > their support. Larry Capps knows the airport as he grew up just > five minutes away in Herrin Illinois. The one (and only) drawback > is that the airport has a control tower. I spoke with the controlers > and they would be supportive also as long as they got a ride in a > KR. I've spoken with a number of the "fliers" at past Gatherings > and the tower would kill the "atmosphere" of a Gathering for them. > The Mt.Vernon airport could handle a Gathering twice the size as > the KR Gathering and still not be crowded but is still a "small town" > airport. The city also has the facilities to handle those attending. > I would make a more formal pitch when the time comes and only > threw it out there for early consideration so it doesn't get left out. > Thanks to those that have already offered to help if it is chosen. > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:05:22 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: RE: KR> 2004 Gathering Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021219070522.009088a0@mail.midwest.net> >One last note: it was my understanding that Williamson County Airport >ceased tower operation after 5:00pm on Friday and reopened Tower Ops on >Monday morning 7:00am? >Larry A. Capps ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ They have a non-federal tower open 7:00AM - 7:00PM, 7 days a week. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:02:54 -0500 To: From: "Ron Thomas" Subject: Re: KR> 2004 Gathering Message-ID: <001901c2a778$1809ba40$c843a8c0@faaguy> Being a retired controller, I think they really wouldn't mind. It ups their traffic count, and in a rare case could be cause for the tower to be upgraded. Towers are rated on an annual traffic count. It used to be easy to visit the towers and centers. Since 911 sucurity has made it next to impossible to get permisson to visit. In the past, controllers were always glad to see pilots come visit and see things from their point of view. Just another one of our freedoms shot down. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwin Blocher" To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:08 AM Subject: Re: KR> 2004 Gathering > What do you think the controllers would say after 10 or 20 "missed > approaches" at 150+ mph , 10ft. AGL down the runway? > Ed Blocher > Santa Rosa Beach, FL > eblocher@earthlink.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "larry flesner" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:11 PM > Subject: KR> 2004 Gathering > > > > >I would actually suggest moving the event to Williamson County Airport in > > >Marion, IL. (45 minutes south of Mt Vernon); It could easily accommodate > us > > >with plenty of evening entertainment, restaurants and hotels. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > Williamson County airport would be a very good location and I've > > even spoken with them and the tourism bureau and they would lend > > their support. Larry Capps knows the airport as he grew up just > > five minutes away in Herrin Illinois. The one (and only) drawback > > is that the airport has a control tower. I spoke with the controlers > > and they would be supportive also as long as they got a ride in a > > KR. I've spoken with a number of the "fliers" at past Gatherings > > and the tower would kill the "atmosphere" of a Gathering for them. > > The Mt.Vernon airport could handle a Gathering twice the size as > > the KR Gathering and still not be crowded but is still a "small town" > > airport. The city also has the facilities to handle those attending. > > I would make a more formal pitch when the time comes and only > > threw it out there for early consideration so it doesn't get left out. > > Thanks to those that have already offered to help if it is chosen. > > > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:16:40 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> 2004 Gathering Message-Id: <3E021B18.000030.01004@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_S7SD7FL3LVC000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_S7SD2QP3LVC000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_S7SD2QP3LVC000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What would they think about Richard Someone, flying a knife edge 10 feet above the runway? Not that anyone would attempt such a thing.=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Thursday, December 19, 2002 08:04:02 AM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: KR> 2004 Gathering=0D =0D Being a retired controller, I think they really wouldn't mind. It ups the= ir=0D traffic count, and in a rare case could be cause for the tower to be=0D upgraded. Towers are rated on an annual traffic count. It used to be easy= =0D to visit the towers and centers. Since 911 sucurity has made it next to=0D impossible to get permisson to visit. In the past, controllers were alway= s=0D glad to see pilots come visit and see=0D things from their point of view. Just another one of our freedoms shot=0D down. ----- Original Message -----=0D From: "Edwin Blocher" =0D To: =0D Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:08 AM=0D Subject: Re: KR> 2004 Gathering=0D =0D =0D > What do you think the controllers would say after 10 or 20 "missed=0D > approaches" at 150+ mph , 10ft. AGL down the runway?=0D > Ed Blocher=0D > Santa Rosa Beach, FL=0D > eblocher@earthlink.net=0D > ----- Original Message -----=0D > From: "larry flesner" =0D > To: =0D > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:11 PM=0D > Subject: KR> 2004 Gathering=0D >=0D >=0D > > >I would actually suggest moving the event to Williamson County Airpo= rt=0D in=0D > > >Marion, IL. (45 minutes south of Mt Vernon); It could easily=0D accommodate=0D > us=0D > > >with plenty of evening entertainment, restaurants and hotels.=0D > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=0D > >=0D > > Williamson County airport would be a very good location and I've=0D > > even spoken with them and the tourism bureau and they would lend=0D > > their support. Larry Capps knows the airport as he grew up just=0D > > five minutes away in Herrin Illinois. The one (and only) drawback=0D > > is that the airport has a control tower. I spoke with the controlers=0D > > and they would be supportive also as long as they got a ride in a=0D > > KR. I've spoken with a number of the "fliers" at past Gatherings=0D > > and the tower would kill the "atmosphere" of a Gathering for them.=0D > > The Mt.Vernon airport could handle a Gathering twice the size as=0D > > the KR Gathering and still not be crowded but is still a "small town"= =0D > > airport. The city also has the facilities to handle those attending.=0D > > I would make a more formal pitch when the time comes and only=0D > > threw it out there for early consideration so it doesn't get left out= =2E=0D > > Thanks to those that have already offered to help if it is chosen.=0D > >=0D > > Larry Flesner=0D > >=0D > >=0D > >=0D > >=0D > >=0D > >=0D > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------= =0D > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D > >=0D > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org=0D > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D > >=0D > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D > >=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D > ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D >=0D > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org=0D > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D >=0D > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D >=0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_S7SD2QP3LVC000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What would they think about Richard Someone, flying a knife edge 10 = feet above the runway?  Not that anyone would attempt such a thing.<= BR> 

DanRH@KR-Builder.org

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Daniel R= =2E Heath - Lexington, SC

See our KR2 at: ht= tp://kr-builder.org  Click on the Pic.

See our EAA Chapte= r 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

KR Purchasing Info at= : http://fly-kr.= com 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: Thursday, De= cember 19, 2002 08:04:02 AM
Subject: Re: KR>= ; 2004 Gathering
 
Being a retired controller, I think they really wouldn't= mind. It ups their
traffic count, and in a rare case could be cause f= or the tower to be
upgraded. Towers are rated on an annual traffic cou= nt. It used to be easy
to visit the towers and centers. Since 911 sucu= rity has made it next to
impossible to get permisson to visit. In the = past, controllers were always
glad to see pilots come visit and seethings from their point of view. Just another one of our freedoms shotdown. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Edwin Blocher" <EBLOCHER@EARTHLINK.NET>
To: = <KRnet@mailinglists.org&= gt;
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: KR> = 2004 Gathering


> What do you think the controllers would sa= y after 10 or 20 "missed
> approaches" at 150+ mph , 10ft. AGL down= the runway?
> Ed Blocher
> Santa Rosa Beach, FL
> eblocher@earthlink.net
> = ----- Original Message -----
> From: "larry flesner" <flesner@midwest.net>
> To: <= KRnet@mailinglists.org><= BR>> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:11 PM
> Subject: KR>= ; 2004 Gathering
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> > >I would actually sugges= t moving the event to Williamson County Airport
in
> > >Ma= rion, IL. (45 minutes south of Mt Vernon); It could easily
accommodate=
> us
> > >with plenty of evening entertainment, restau= rants and hotels.
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= ++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> > Williamson County airpor= t would be a very good location and I've
> > even spoken with th= em and the tourism bureau and they would lend
> > their support.= Larry Capps knows the airport as he grew up just
> > five minut= es away in Herrin Illinois. The one (and only) drawback
> > is t= hat the airport has a control tower. I spoke with the controlers
> = > and they would be supportive also as long as they got a ride in a> > KR. I've spoken with a number of the "fliers" at past Gatherin= gs
> > and the tower would kill the "atmosphere" of a Gathering = for them.
> > The Mt.Vernon airport could handle a Gathering twi= ce the size as
> > the KR Gathering and still not be crowded but= is still a "small town"
> > airport. The city also has the faci= lities to handle those attending.
> > I would make a more formal= pitch when the time comes and only
> > threw it out there for e= arly consideration so it doesn't get left out.
> > Thanks to tho= se that have already offered to help if it is chosen.
> >
>= ; > Larry Flesner
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<= A href=3D"http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=3D309&lang=3D9">= 3D""  IncrediMail - Email has= finally evolved - = Click Here --------------Boundary-00=_S7SD2QP3LVC000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_S7SD7FL3LVC000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:08:19 -0500 To: From: "Ron Thomas" Subject: Re: KR> 2004 Gathering Message-ID: <007b01c2a781$3b6093c0$c843a8c0@faaguy> Not sure of the rules, but I think prior approval for any aerobatics would be neccessary. Notams indicateing such activity during a certian time frame, would be posted by the FAA. Or you could just tell the tower you almost lost it.(just kidding) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:16 PM Subject: Re: KR> 2004 Gathering What would they think about Richard Someone, flying a knife edge 10 feet above the runway? Not that anyone would attempt such a thing. DanRH@KR-Builder.org See ya in Red Oak --- 2003, Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic. See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com -------Original Message------- From: KRnet@mailinglists.org Date: Thursday, December 19, 2002 08:04:02 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> 2004 Gathering Being a retired controller, I think they really wouldn't mind. It ups their traffic count, and in a rare case could be cause for the tower to be upgraded. Towers are rated on an annual traffic count. It used to be easy to visit the towers and centers. Since 911 sucurity has made it next to impossible to get permisson to visit. In the past, controllers were always glad to see pilots come visit and see things from their point of view. Just another one of our freedoms shot down. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwin Blocher" To: Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:08 AM Subject: Re: KR> 2004 Gathering > What do you think the controllers would say after 10 or 20 "missed > approaches" at 150+ mph , 10ft. AGL down the runway? > Ed Blocher > Santa Rosa Beach, FL > eblocher@earthlink.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "larry flesner" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:11 PM > Subject: KR> 2004 Gathering > > > > >I would actually suggest moving the event to Williamson County Airport in > > >Marion, IL. (45 minutes south of Mt Vernon); It could easily accommodate > us > > >with plenty of evening entertainment, restaurants and hotels. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > Williamson County airport would be a very good location and I've > > even spoken with them and the tourism bureau and they would lend > > their support. Larry Capps knows the airport as he grew up just > > five minutes away in Herrin Illinois. The one (and only) drawback > > is that the airport has a control tower. I spoke with the controlers > > and they would be supportive also as long as they got a ride in a > > KR. I've spoken with a number of the "fliers" at past Gatherings > > and the tower would kill the "atmosphere" of a Gathering for them. > > The Mt.Vernon airport could handle a Gathering twice the size as > > the KR Gathering and still not be crowded but is still a "small town" > > airport. The city also has the facilities to handle those attending. > > I would make a more formal pitch when the time comes and only > > threw it out there for early consideration so it doesn't get left out. > > Thanks to those that have already offered to help if it is chosen. > > > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 06:30:03 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: KR Gathering Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021219063003.008e64b0@mail.midwest.net> >Alternating between the central west coast, midwest, and central east >coast seems like a fair way to do it also. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Having the Gathering in the central U.S. means no one has to travel the entire length of the country to attend. An east/west coast Gathering would have many builders doing so two out of three years. The last thirteen Gatherings have all been located within approx 250 miles of the Mississippi and approx central N/S. There are regular attendees from all parts of the country with possibly the west coast the least represented although last year we had two KR's fly in from California. Although I benifit personally from the Gathering being held in the central midwest, I feel a midwest site puts the least burden on the entire KR group. Perhaps the regional thing needs to be promoted more. A west regional, an east regional and the annual Gathering each year. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:52:26 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> KR Gathering Message-Id: <3E01F94A.000028.01004@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_EJLDB2O2QL8000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_FJLD6DS2QL8000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_FJLD6DS2QL8000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am in the SouthEast, and I completely support having the gathering in t= he middle of the country and with so many Canadian KRs, a more northern location could be a good thing. People without KRs can get to a gatherin= g anywhere it is held, but the KRs have to deal with distance and weather.=20 Weather has killed gathering attendees, not KR that I know of, in the pas= t and almost got me twice. Therefore, when I get mine ready, I will be extreemely concerned about the weather patterns around the time and locat= ion of the gathering. =0D =0D We need to focus on getting KRs to the gathering. Without KRs, what is i= t?=0D =0D I am not a great supporter of the regional thing, because if local KRs wa= nt to get together, they can do it anytime they choose, and they do. I woul= d not like to see us start supporting something that could detract from the grandest KR event of the year.=0D =0D Go Larry, and let's get some other suggestions with hosts.=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Thursday, December 19, 2002 04:37:58 AM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> KR Gathering=0D =0D >Alternating between the central west coast, midwest, and central east =0D >coast seems like a fair way to do it also.=0D +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=0D =0D Having the Gathering in the central U.S. means no one has to travel=0D the entire length of the country to attend. An east/west coast=0D Gathering would have many builders doing so two out of three=0D years. The last thirteen Gatherings have all been located within=0D approx 250 miles of the Mississippi and approx central N/S. There=0D are regular attendees from all parts of the country with possibly the=0D west coast the least represented although last year we had two=0D KR's fly in from California. Although I benifit personally from the=0D Gathering being held in the central midwest, I feel a midwest =0D site puts the least burden on the entire KR group. Perhaps the=0D regional thing needs to be promoted more. A west regional,=0D an east regional and the annual Gathering each year.=0D =0D =0D Larry Flesner=0D =0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_FJLD6DS2QL8000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am in the SouthEast, and I completely support having the gathering= in the middle of the country and with so many Canadian KRs, a = more northern location could be a good thing.  People without KRs ca= n get to a gathering anywhere it is held, but the KRs have to deal with d= istance and weather.  Weather has killed gathering attendees, n= ot KR that I know of, in the past and almost got me twice.  Therefor= e, when I get mine ready, I will be extreemely concerned about the w= eather patterns around the time and location of the gathering. 
 
We need to focus on getting KRs to the gathering.  Without KRs,= what is it?
 
I am not a great supporter of the regional thing, because if local K= Rs want to get together, they can do it anytime they choose, and they do.=   I would not like to see us start supporting something that could d= etract from the grandest KR event of the year.
 
Go Larry, and let's get some other suggestions with hosts.
&= nbsp;

DanRH@KR-Builder.org

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Daniel R= =2E Heath - Lexington, SC

See our KR2 at: ht= tp://kr-builder.org  Click on the Pic.

See our EAA Chapte= r 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

KR Purchasing Info at= : http://fly-kr.= com 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: Thursday, De= cember 19, 2002 04:37:58 AM
Subject: KR> KR= Gathering
 
>Alternating between the central west coast, midwest,= and central east
>coast seems like a fair way to do it also.
+= ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hav= ing the Gathering in the central U.S. means no one has to travel
the e= ntire length of the country to attend. An east/west coast
Gathering wo= uld have many builders doing so two out of three
years. The last thirt= een Gatherings have all been located within
approx 250 miles of the Mi= ssissippi and approx central N/S. There
are regular attendees from all= parts of the country with possibly the
west coast the least represent= ed although last year we had two
KR's fly in from California. Although= I benifit personally from the
Gathering being held in the central mid= west, I feel a midwest
site puts the least burden on the entire KR gr= oup. Perhaps the
regional thing needs to be promoted more. A west regi= onal,
an east regional and the annual Gathering each year.


= Larry Flesner



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<= A href=3D"http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=3D309&lang=3D9">= 3D""  IncrediMail - Email has= finally evolved - = Click Here --------------Boundary-00=_FJLD6DS2QL8000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_EJLDB2O2QL8000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:47:00 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: KR Gathering Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20021219074700.008dfa10@mail.midwest.net> let's get some other suggestions with hosts. >Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Yes, please do................. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:58:10 +0100 (CET) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Paolo=20Cavazzuti?= Subject: Re: KR> Elevator weight Message-ID: <20021219155810.43853.qmail@web40602.mail.yahoo.com> > Phil Matheson wrote: > > > I have been told it should be around 4 > pounds, any comments? > Couldn't it be a mistake between measures in puonds and in kgs?... 12 pounds is more or less 5 kgs... Paolo Cavazzuti, Modena, Italy sapiddomannaro@yahoo.it ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Cartoline: invia i tuoi auguri di Natale agli amici http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:14:25 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Out of Pocket Expenses for Gathering? Message-Id: <3E021A91.00002D.01004@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_14SDMK82QL8000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_24SDHUC3LVC000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_24SDHUC3LVC000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know that those of you who have hosted a gathering, probably think that this is a stupid question, but I am going to ask it anyway.=0D =0D What expenses does the host have to front before they know how much will = be returned?=0D =0D The reason I ask is because I don't know anyone who is willing to risk a $1000 of their own money. What if no one had been able to get to the gathering in 2001, would Tommy have been out $1000?=0D =0D When we had the gathering at Rough River Falls and Kentucky Dam State Par= k, who was the host and what kind of expenses did they have before the peopl= e arrived? I didn't even realize that there was a host back then. What a dummy!!!=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com =20 --------------Boundary-00=_24SDHUC3LVC000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know that those of you who have hosted a gathering, probably think= that this is a stupid question, but I am going to ask it anyway.
 
What expenses does the host have to front before they know how much = will be returned?
 
The reason I ask is because I don't know anyone who is willing to ri= sk a $1000 of their own money.  What if no one had been able to get = to the gathering in 2001, would Tommy have been out $1000?
 
When we had the gathering at Rough River Falls and Kentucky Dam Stat= e Park, who was the host and what kind of expenses did they have bef= ore the people arrived?   I didn't even realize that there was = a host back then.  What a dummy!!!
 

DanRH@KR-Builder.org

See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,

Daniel R= =2E Heath - Lexington, SC

See our KR2 at: ht= tp://kr-builder.org  Click on the Pic.

See our EAA Chapte= r 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG

KR Purchasing Info at= : http://fly-kr.= com 

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