From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 27 Dec 2002 12:18:07 -0000 Issue 591 Date: Friday, December 27, 2002 4:19 AM krnet Digest 27 Dec 2002 12:18:07 -0000 Issue 591 Topics (messages 14078 through 14101): Re: 3d drawing of KR2S 14078 by: KVP 14079 by: Sky Rider 14080 by: Justin VW oil leaks 14081 by: Oscar Zuniga 14082 by: gleone 14084 by: virgnvs.juno.com 14089 by: Serge F. VIDAL Re: Where to find that? 14083 by: virgnvs.juno.com To Serge Vidal 14085 by: Ted hotwiring foam 14086 by: Oscar Zuniga Re: Open House 14087 by: virgnvs.juno.com tailwheel flying 14088 by: Brian Kraut 14090 by: Serge F. VIDAL 14093 by: V. P. 14094 by: Dan Heath 14095 by: Justin 14101 by: Dan Heath Re: Air filter 14091 by: AviationMech.aol.com 14092 by: AviationMech.aol.com looking for a site 14096 by: Bdazzcamro.aol.com 14097 by: Mark Jones An Air Filter Requirement 14098 by: Peter Johnson Sand Blast 14099 by: Patrick Driscoll Re: tailwheel flying/ Landing speed 14100 by: Phillip Matheson Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 08:19:36 +0100 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: KVP Subject: Re: KR> 3d drawing of KR2S Message-ID: <3E0AAD86.E869F4EA@get2net.dk> Yes Please. Best regards Kjeld Vinkler Pallesen Justin wrote: > If anyone wnats this file let me know. It is open in a 3d program called > truespace. DXF format. > > Justin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 09:53:31 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Sky Rider Subject: Re: KR> 3d drawing of KR2S Message-ID: <20021226175331.71350.qmail@web11606.mail.yahoo.com> --0-529258585-1040925211=:70912 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Justin.. I would be very interested in receiving the KR2S file...I'm about 30% into a regular KR2...not too far to consider modifications, and I've heard that it's getting harder and harder to get things from Huntington Beach... Sky Justin wrote:If anyone wnats this file let me know. It is open in a 3d program called truespace. DXF format. Justin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now --0-529258585-1040925211=:70912-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:10:12 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Justin Subject: Re: KR> 3d drawing of KR2S Message-ID: <3E0B29E4.1000508@socal.rr.com> --------------000602050900010508040803 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090107010102080408000703" --------------090107010102080408000703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KVP wrote: >Yes Please. > >Best regards > >Kjeld Vinkler Pallesen > >Justin wrote: > > > >>If anyone wnats this file let me know. It is open in a 3d program called >>truespace. DXF format. >> >>Justin >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" >> >>To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> >>See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >>or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > --------------090107010102080408000703 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

KVP wrote:
Yes Please.

Best regards

Kjeld Vinkler Pallesen

Justin wrote:

  
If anyone wnats this file let me know. It is open in a 3d program called
truespace. DXF format.

Justin

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Virg's reference to the newer O-ring material is "Viton", which is Dupont's trademarked name for its fluoroelastopolymer material (see http://www.dupont-dow.com/Products/Viton/techInfo.asp ) This newer material replaces the older rubber materials that would either harden and crack over time, or weaken, or soften and swell. If you look at the DuPont site you'll see that there are actually several different formulations available depending on the application, but for our use any of them will work fine and the most likely one you'll find is hydrocarbon resistant. Hydrocarbons are the main problem we face, since our engines won't be in a process environment or close to an ugly, cruddy road or highway like in the car application where road salt, chemicals of every type, and other stuff also conspire to attack our seals. Many of the older types of seal material were just fine for a while, but under the influence of motor oil and/or gasoline they would lose one or more of their sealing properties (non-hardening, non-creeping/stretching, non-swelling, etc.) and a leak would result. Now my question is, how do you prevent leaks from the @#$%^& oil sump cover? I've looked at Hoover's recommendations and that's what I'll take as the best available fix, but even at that the darn things weep. I don't know how many backyard mechanics (?) have stripped the threads out of their pans trying to stop the weeping from that sump cover (and the drain bolt, too). Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 limited-time offer: Join now and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_newmsn8ishere_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:16:25 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: gleone Subject: Re: KR> VW oil leaks Message-ID: <3E0B4779.F58347DC@tritel.net> --------------39A3747FA88E52E40E613A1F Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------320765E98163B2EB5CAA2B4C" --------------320765E98163B2EB5CAA2B4C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oscar, If you use Permatex (soft bond not hard) on both sides of the gasket, it will seal and not leak. It only takes a thin film. I've used it for years in rebuilding VW engines over the years as well as Hondas, Dodges and Fords. It works just fine. Do NOT over tighten the bolts unless you like either stripping out the threads or breaking off the bolt. Torque them to the recommended value ONLY. Oscar Zuniga wrote: > Relative to the VW pushrod tube O-ring seals, Virg's reference to the newer > O-ring material is "Viton", which is Dupont's trademarked name for its > fluoroelastopolymer material (see > http://www.dupont-dow.com/Products/Viton/techInfo.asp ) > > This newer material replaces the older rubber materials that would either > harden and crack over time, or weaken, or soften and swell. If you look at > the DuPont site you'll see that there are actually several different > formulations available depending on the application, but for our use any of > them will work fine and the most likely one you'll find is hydrocarbon > resistant. Hydrocarbons are the main problem we face, since our engines > won't be in a process environment or close to an ugly, cruddy road or > highway like in the car application where road salt, chemicals of every > type, and other stuff also conspire to attack our seals. Many of the older > types of seal material were just fine for a while, but under the influence > of motor oil and/or gasoline they would lose one or more of their sealing > properties (non-hardening, non-creeping/stretching, non-swelling, etc.) and > a leak would result. > > Now my question is, how do you prevent leaks from the @#$%^& oil sump cover? > I've looked at Hoover's recommendations and that's what I'll take as the > best available fix, but even at that the darn things weep. I don't know how > many backyard mechanics (?) have stripped the threads out of their pans > trying to stop the weeping from that sump cover (and the drain bolt, too). > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 limited-time offer: Join now and get 3 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= > http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_newmsn8ishere_3mf > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------320765E98163B2EB5CAA2B4C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oscar,
If you use Permatex (soft bond not hard) on both sides of the gasket, it will seal and not leak.  It only takes a thin film.  I've used it for years in rebuilding VW engines over the years as well as Hondas, Dodges and Fords.  It works just fine.  Do NOT over tighten the bolts unless you like either stripping out the threads or breaking off the bolt.  Torque them to the recommended value ONLY.

Oscar Zuniga wrote:

Relative to the VW pushrod tube O-ring seals, Virg's reference to the newer
O-ring material is "Viton", which is Dupont's trademarked name for its
fluoroelastopolymer material (see
http://www.dupont-dow.com/Products/Viton/techInfo.asp )

This newer material replaces the older rubber materials that would either
harden and crack over time, or weaken, or soften and swell.  If you look at
the DuPont site you'll see that there are actually several different
formulations available depending on the application, but for our use any of
them will work fine and the most likely one you'll find is hydrocarbon
resistant.  Hydrocarbons are the main problem we face, since our engines
won't be in a process environment or close to an ugly, cruddy road or
highway like in the car application where road salt, chemicals of every
type, and other stuff also conspire to attack our seals.  Many of the older
types of seal material were just fine for a while, but under the influence
of motor oil and/or gasoline they would lose one or more of their sealing
properties (non-hardening, non-creeping/stretching, non-swelling, etc.) and
a leak would result.

Now my question is, how do you prevent leaks from the @#$%^& oil sump cover?
  I've looked at Hoover's recommendations and that's what I'll take as the
best available fix, but even at that the darn things weep.  I don't know how
many backyard mechanics (?) have stripped the threads out of their pans
trying to stop the weeping from that sump cover (and the drain bolt, too).

Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net

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--------------320765E98163B2EB5CAA2B4C-- --------------39A3747FA88E52E40E613A1F-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:22:13 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> VW oil leaks Message-ID: <20021226.142250.-451147.2.virgnvs@juno.com> Permatex #2 NON hardening , Virg On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:50:49 -0600 "Oscar Zuniga" writes: > Relative to the VW pushrod tube O-ring seals, Virg's reference to the > newer > O-ring material is "Viton", which is Dupont's trademarked name for > its > fluoroelastopolymer material (see > http://www.dupont-dow.com/Products/Viton/techInfo.asp ) > > This newer material replaces the older rubber materials that would > either > harden and crack over time, or weaken, or soften and swell. If you > look at > the DuPont site you'll see that there are actually several different > > formulations available depending on the application, but for our use > any of > them will work fine and the most likely one you'll find is > hydrocarbon > resistant. Hydrocarbons are the main problem we face, since our > engines > won't be in a process environment or close to an ugly, cruddy road > or > highway like in the car application where road salt, chemicals of > every > type, and other stuff also conspire to attack our seals. Many of > the older > types of seal material were just fine for a while, but under the > influence > of motor oil and/or gasoline they would lose one or more of their > sealing > properties (non-hardening, non-creeping/stretching, non-swelling, > etc.) and > a leak would result. > > Now my question is, how do you prevent leaks from the @#$%^&& oil > sump cover? > I've looked at Hoover's recommendations and that's what I'll take > as the > best available fix, but even at that the darn things weep. I don't > know how > many backyard mechanics (?) have stripped the threads out of their > pans > trying to stop the weeping from that sump cover (and the drain bolt, > too). > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 limited-time offer: Join now and get 3 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&S U= > > ww.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_newmsn8ishere_3m f > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:17:41 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: Re: KR> VW oil leaks Message-ID: <000201c2ad2d$d31816a0$f90027c4@co.za> Oscar, on my oil sump, I have used a new, genuine VW part seal, and torqued it to the exact specification (2.2 kg-m / 16 ft-lb). Never got any leak. What I will try with the new engine is to coat the seal with high temperature silicone sealant (Permatex or equivalent). To get it perfectly flat, I will let it cure on a piece of glass, that has been oiled. Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa ----- Original Message ----- From: Oscar Zuniga To: Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 8:50 PM Subject: KR> VW oil leaks > Relative to the VW pushrod tube O-ring seals, Virg's reference to the newer > O-ring material is "Viton", which is Dupont's trademarked name for its > fluoroelastopolymer material (see > http://www.dupont-dow.com/Products/Viton/techInfo.asp ) > > This newer material replaces the older rubber materials that would either > harden and crack over time, or weaken, or soften and swell. If you look at > the DuPont site you'll see that there are actually several different > formulations available depending on the application, but for our use any of > them will work fine and the most likely one you'll find is hydrocarbon > resistant. Hydrocarbons are the main problem we face, since our engines > won't be in a process environment or close to an ugly, cruddy road or > highway like in the car application where road salt, chemicals of every > type, and other stuff also conspire to attack our seals. Many of the older > types of seal material were just fine for a while, but under the influence > of motor oil and/or gasoline they would lose one or more of their sealing > properties (non-hardening, non-creeping/stretching, non-swelling, etc.) and > a leak would result. > > Now my question is, how do you prevent leaks from the @#$%^& oil sump cover? > I've looked at Hoover's recommendations and that's what I'll take as the > best available fix, but even at that the darn things weep. I don't know how > many backyard mechanics (?) have stripped the threads out of their pans > trying to stop the weeping from that sump cover (and the drain bolt, too). > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 limited-time offer: Join now and get 3 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= > http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_newmsn8ishe re_3mf > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:13:28 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Where to find that? Message-ID: <20021226.141841.-451147.1.virgnvs@juno.com> DO NOT HOT WIRE POLYURETHANE FOAM ! It will out gas a deadly fume!! It will also form an insulating layer of foam around the wire making cuts impossible., Virg On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:23:06 -0600 "Geroge Vandor" writes: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 8:18 AM > Subject: Re: KR> Where to find that? > > > > Merry Christmas to you! > > > > The foam I used in building my KR, I ordered from Wicks. HOWEVER, > some of > > the builders here are using the pink or blue 4 X 8 sheets of foam > from > local > > building supply companies. Can't remember but one of them is a > little > > heavier than the other. I used the pink foam to lay up my cowl > form. > > > > The building foam is harder to sand but much cheaper and no > shipping > costs, > > which can eat you alive depending on where you live. If I were > building > > again, would use the urethane for the leading edge, which needs to > be > sanded, > > and the flat construction foam for the rest of the wing. The > stuff will > bend > > enough to conform to the airfoil and will give a beautiful flat > surface to > > lay the glas on. Don't forget the old wood workers tip of sawing > grooves > into > > a sheet to aid in bending it. > > > > Don't understand your question about the stub wing tanks. Again, > if I did > it > > again, would build alum or glas tanks on the bench and glas them > into the > > wing. > > > > Bob, Wichita > > merry Christmas Bob, to you and your family thank for your reply > much > appreciated. the pink foam is locally available it is light and > strong but > it does sand a little bit harder than the blue stuff. but does > anybody know > if it is wire cutable? also i would like some info on glassing in > aluminium > gas tanks in the wing stubs somebody used brown colored blow-in foam > but i > can't find his site. thank you all for the help. george vandor > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > o UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:24:31 -0600 To: From: "Ted" Subject: To Serge Vidal Message-ID: <012401c2ad14$6afe5840$6401a8c0@attbi.com> Group, My apologies to the group for posting a personal message! Serge, It seems that I've been unable to get through to you directly, did you get the 3 emails I sent you concerning your request? Ted Fontelieu http://www.sirius-aviation.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:00:22 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: hotwiring foam Message-ID: George writes- >the pink foam is locally available it is light and strong but it does >sand a little bit harder than the blue stuff. but does anybody know >if it is wire cutable? If it's the Owens-Corning "Foamular" product (which it probably is if it's pink and/or has a pink panther on it), it's extruded polystyrene and is just as hot-wire cuttable as the blue Dow "Styrofoam" product that is also used as building insulation. But be very, very sure that's what it is, because if it's a urethane, hot-wiring it will generate deadly poisonous gas and you'll be six feet under instead of up in the traffic pattern. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmorespam_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:45:16 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> Open House Message-ID: <20021226.165503.-349367.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Are you doing the KR Dinner at Lakeland ? Virg On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 08:35:57 EST B109pro@aol.com writes: > Fellow KRneters, There will be an Open House at Albert Whitted > Airport, > located in St. Petersburg, Fl., March 29th, 2003. This is the > weekend just > prior to the 2003 Sun N Fun, for anyone that might be coming in a > little > early. For more information you can contact either myself or the > city of St. > Petersburg via email. Happy Holidays! > Best Regards and Blue Skies, Skip Brooks > Pres. of EAA Chapter 47 (EAA47.org) > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:24:59 -0500 (EST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Brian Kraut Subject: tailwheel flying Message-ID: <1215292.1040941302392.JavaMail.nobody@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> I had my first tailwheel lessons in a Citabria Saturday. I had no idea that a plane could be that hard to keep anywhere near the centerline with the tailwheel off the ground. It is a little like trying to ballance on your tippy toes of one foot on the head of a pin. Fortunately, I had a good instructor and the zen thing happened and me and the plane connected after about an hour and a half. Is there anyone out there that has flown a Citabria or something similar and a tailwheel KR that can tell me how they compare? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:31:19 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: Re: KR> tailwheel flying Message-ID: <000f01c2ad2e$99523e40$f90027c4@co.za> Yep. I got my taildragger rating on a Bellanca Superdecathlon. After that, I found the KR2 much more diffiicult, because the controls are way more sensitive, so they take some getting accustomed to. Also, the speed at landing is much higher. This being said, I guess that KR2 probably have fairly different behaviours on ground, depending on what landing gear they have. Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Kraut To: Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 9:24 PM Subject: KR> tailwheel flying > I had my first tailwheel lessons in a Citabria Saturday. I had no idea that a plane could be that hard to keep anywhere near the centerline with the tailwheel off the ground. It is a little like trying to ballance on your tippy toes of one foot on the head of a pin. Fortunately, I had a good instructor and the zen thing happened and me and the plane connected after about an hour and a half. > > Is there anyone out there that has flown a Citabria or something similar and a tailwheel KR that can tell me how they compare? > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:47:15 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "V. P." Subject: RE: KR> tailwheel flying Message-id: I have never flown a KR... BUT I have flown MANY different types of tailwheel aircraft ( The largest being a JU-52).. I found the Citabria to be about the easiest conventional gear aircraft there is... almost TOO easy for a proper tailwheel transition trainer.. get some time in a Luscombe before you try a KR.. Vince -----Original Message----- From: Brian Kraut [mailto:engalt@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 1:25 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> tailwheel flying I had my first tailwheel lessons in a Citabria Saturday. I had no idea that a plane could be that hard to keep anywhere near the centerline with the tailwheel off the ground. It is a little like trying to ballance on your tippy toes of one foot on the head of a pin. Fortunately, I had a good instructor and the zen thing happened and me and the plane connected after about an hour and a half. Is there anyone out there that has flown a Citabria or something similar and a tailwheel KR that can tell me how they compare? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:49:48 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> tailwheel flying Message-Id: <3E0BCDDC.000061.01256@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_0NEREV666RO000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They are very similar in that you will get the zen thing in a KR also. I= 'm not really sure that anything really can teach you how to fly a KR, excep= t a KR. The only time I had in a conventional gear was a Champ and that is nothing at all like a KR.=0D =0D The one major thing that I found is that you do not want to let the tail touch down until you can't hold it up any longer. Until Bob Muse taught = me that, I was having a horrible time.=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC=0D =0D See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D =0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D =0D KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Thursday, December 26, 2002 02:21:48 PM=0D To: krnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> tailwheel flying=0D =0D I had my first tailwheel lessons in a Citabria Saturday. I had no idea th= at a plane could be that hard to keep anywhere near the centerline with the tailwheel off the ground. It is a little like trying to ballance on your tippy toes of one foot on the head of a pin. Fortunately, I had a good instructor and the zen thing happened and me and the plane connected afte= r about an hour and a half.=0D =0D Is there anyone out there that has flown a Citabria or something similar = and a tailwheel KR that can tell me how they compare?=0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_0NEREV666RO000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 19:04:41 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Justin Subject: Re: KR> tailwheel flying Message-ID: <3E0BA729.60502@socal.rr.com> Another good tailwheel teaching plane is a Thorp T18 but im sure no one has one of those around. I leaned in one of those, hardest tail-wheel made. Justin Dan Heath wrote: >They are very similar in that you will get the zen thing in a KR also. I'm >not really sure that anything really can teach you how to fly a KR, except a >KR. The only time I had in a conventional gear was a Champ and that is >nothing at all like a KR. > > > >The one major thing that I found is that you do not want to let the tail >touch down until you can't hold it up any longer. Until Bob Muse taught me >that, I was having a horrible time. > > > >DanRH@KR-Builder.org > >See ya in Red Oak --- 2003, > > > >Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC > > > >See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic. > > > >See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG > > > >KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com > >-------Original Message------- > > > >From: KRnet@mailinglists.org > >Date: Thursday, December 26, 2002 02:21:48 PM > >To: krnet@mailinglists.org > >Subject: KR> tailwheel flying > > > >I had my first tailwheel lessons in a Citabria Saturday. I had no idea that >a plane could be that hard to keep anywhere near the centerline with the >tailwheel off the ground. It is a little like trying to ballance on your >tippy toes of one foot on the head of a pin. Fortunately, I had a good >instructor and the zen thing happened and me and the plane connected after >about an hour and a half. > > > >Is there anyone out there that has flown a Citabria or something similar and >a tailwheel KR that can tell me how they compare? > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > >. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 07:22:30 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> tailwheel flying Message-Id: <3E0C7036.000069.01256@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_IPASA8266RO000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_IPAS5J766RO000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_IPAS5J766RO000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One thing I forgot to mention. The KR is really an easy airplane to fly once you get used to it. If I can learn how to fly a tail dragger in it,= it has to be easy.=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Thursday, December 26, 2002 07:01:37 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: KR> tailwheel flying=0D =0D Another good tailwheel teaching plane is a Thorp T18 but im sure no one =0D has one of those around. I leaned in one of those, hardest tail-wheel mad= e.=0D =0D Justin=0D =0D Dan Heath wrote:=0D =0D >They are very similar in that you will get the zen thing in a KR also. I= 'm=0D >not really sure that anything really can teach you how to fly a KR, exce= pt a=0D >KR. The only time I had in a conventional gear was a Champ and that is=0D >nothing at all like a KR.=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >The one major thing that I found is that you do not want to let the tail= =0D >touch down until you can't hold it up any longer. Until Bob Muse taught = me=0D >that, I was having a horrible time.=0D >=0D > =0D >=0D >DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D >=0D >See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org Click on the Pic.=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >See our EAA Chapter 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com =0D >=0D >-------Original Message-------=0D >=0D > =0D >=0D >From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D >=0D >Date: Thursday, December 26, 2002 02:21:48 PM=0D >=0D >To: krnet@mailinglists.org=0D >=0D >Subject: KR> tailwheel flying=0D >=0D > =0D >=0D >I had my first tailwheel lessons in a Citabria Saturday. I had no idea t= hat=0D >a plane could be that hard to keep anywhere near the centerline with the= =0D >tailwheel off the ground. It is a little like trying to ballance on your= =0D >tippy toes of one foot on the head of a pin. Fortunately, I had a good=0D >instructor and the zen thing happened and me and the plane connected aft= er=0D >about an hour and a half.=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >Is there anyone out there that has flown a Citabria or something similar and=0D >a tailwheel KR that can tell me how they compare?=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D >=0D >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D >=0D >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D >=0D >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >. =0D > =0D >=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_IPAS5J766RO000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One thing I forgot to mention.  The KR is really an easy airpla= ne to fly once you get used to it.  If I can learn how to fly a tail= dragger in it, it has to be easy.
 
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Another good tailwheel teaching plane is a Thorp T18 but= im sure no one
has one of those around. I leaned in one of those, ha= rdest tail-wheel made.

Justin

Dan Heath wrote:

>T= hey are very similar in that you will get the zen thing in a KR also. I'm=
>not really sure that anything really can teach you how to fly a K= R, except a
>KR. The only time I had in a conventional gear was a C= hamp and that is
>nothing at all like a KR.
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>The one major thing that I found is that you do not want to let t= he tail
>touch down until you can't hold it up any longer. Until Bo= b Muse taught me
>that, I was having a horrible time.
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>See ya in Red Oak --- 2003,
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>Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
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&= gt;See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.or= g Click on the Pic.
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>See our EAA Chapte= r 242 at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG
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>KR Purchasing Info at: http://fly-kr.com
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>-------Original Message----= ---
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>From: KRnet@mailinglists.org
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>Date: Thursday, Dece= mber 26, 2002 02:21:48 PM
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>To: krnet@mailinglists.org
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>Subject: KR> t= ailwheel flying
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>I had my first tailwheel = lessons in a Citabria Saturday. I had no idea that
>a plane could b= e that hard to keep anywhere near the centerline with the
>tailwhee= l off the ground. It is a little like trying to ballance on your
>t= ippy toes of one foot on the head of a pin. Fortunately, I had a good
= >instructor and the zen thing happened and me and the plane connected = after
>about an hour and a half.
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>Is = there anyone out there that has flown a Citabria or something similar and=
>a tailwheel KR that can tell me how they compare?
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--------------Boundary-00=_IPAS5J766RO000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_IPASA8266RO000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:35:35 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org, krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Air filter Message-ID: <146.6275a16.2b3cde37@aol.com> --part1_146.6275a16.2b3cde37_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/24/2002 11:54:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, engalt@earthlink.net writes: > pleated filter paper from a car air filter Some paper elements dont take well to water and will self distruct. Revflow has a nice filter. Or you could use an element from the Brackett Co. They are a popular aircraft foam element. AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech --part1_146.6275a16.2b3cde37_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 17:35:35 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org, krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Air filter Message-ID: <146.6275a16.2b3cde37@aol.com> --part1_146.6275a16.2b3cde37_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/24/2002 11:54:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, engalt@earthlink.net writes: > pleated filter paper from a car air filter Some paper elements dont take well to water and will self distruct. Revflow has a nice filter. Or you could use an element from the Brackett Co. They are a popular aircraft foam element. AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech --part1_146.6275a16.2b3cde37_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:14:20 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Bdazzcamro@aol.com Subject: looking for a site Message-ID: <3e.29a1146a.2b3d1f8c@aol.com> --part1_3e.29a1146a.2b3d1f8c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Im looking for a site where a guy flew from England to Australia that had a diary on line. Can someone send me the site so I may visit it again. David Swanson (soon to be flier) Tucson, Az --part1_3e.29a1146a.2b3d1f8c_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:18:57 -0600 To: From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> looking for a site Message-ID: <006d01c2ad56$b1ddefe0$6b5c1f41@wi.rr.com> Go to my web site http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html and you will find the link in the midle of the page. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 9:14 PM Subject: KR> looking for a site > Im looking for a site where a guy flew from England to Australia that had a > diary on line. Can someone send me the site so I may visit it again. > > David Swanson (soon to be flier) > Tucson, Az > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:18:41 -0800 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: An Air Filter Requirement Message-ID: <00b901c2ad70$822e25c0$b509eccf@peter> ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C2AD24.5D7A01A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello to the list, and Merry Christmas! One thing everyone should keep in mind when using any kind of air filter = is the need for some form of reinforcing on the downstream side of the = filter material. This reinforcement is required to prevent the filter from collapsing = into the intake tract and choking the engine. The most commonly used = material is an expanded metal mesh fitted and secured. Of course, such = a mesh does reduce your affective intake tract area somewhat and = therefore may cause you to enlarge your filter area accordingly To builders here in Canada, beware of this requirement, your MD-RA = inspector WILL look for it! Peter Johnson KR-2Sexy w a Corvair Kenora, Ontario mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C2AD24.5D7A01A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:28:34 -0600 To: "KR Net Mail" From: "Patrick Driscoll" Subject: Sand Blast Message-ID: <001801c2ad60$6bf6d780$f2db6843@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2AD2E.20790C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm about to start cleaning up my engine and I thought I'd like to = polish the top cover (Alum.) and the push rod tubes and the end covers, = (maybe even the case). Do I use sand first and then glass bead or should = I go with walnut and then glass or,,, sand, walnut, then glass. Any = Ideas? Pat Driscoll patrick36@usfamily.net ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2AD2E.20790C60-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:31:30 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> tailwheel flying/ Landing speed Message-ID: <008501c2ad93$1ff5dec0$8497dccb@Matheson> Serge wrote Also, the speed at > landing is much higher. ------------------------------- What do you call a high landing speed in your KR Serge ???? Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 See our engines at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ > ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************