From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 4 Jan 2003 22:47:51 -0000 Issue 598 Date: Saturday, January 04, 2003 2:49 PM krnet Digest 4 Jan 2003 22:47:51 -0000 Issue 598 Topics (messages 14257 through 14286): Re: Comparison 14257 by: Hokanson, Michael J AM1 (VFA-113) 14262 by: Robert X. Cringely Re: I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT BUILDING A 2400 CC VW.ENGINE 14258 by: Mark Langford 14266 by: Phillip Matheson 14283 by: bob Gear Casting Dimensions 14259 by: Peg and Mike Meyer 14260 by: Rick Wilson 14261 by: JEHayward.aol.com 14263 by: Mark Langford 14274 by: gleone 14278 by: Rick Wilson Re: Hollmans Books / Glass Spars 14264 by: Phillip Matheson Re: M100 Cri Cri Engine 14265 by: Phillip Matheson 14267 by: Robert X. Cringely 14268 by: Phillip Matheson 14269 by: Robert X. Cringely 14272 by: Kevin 14273 by: gleone HS Stab spar 14270 by: Justin 14285 by: Phillip Matheson 14286 by: Mark Langford Re: KR QUESTIONS 14271 by: David Hartz 14281 by: bill kirkland KR cost 14275 by: larry flesner Type Certificate for KR2-S 14276 by: Szakács László Re: Diehl website address 14277 by: Frank Ross Re: Where to find that? 14279 by: Geroge Vandor 14280 by: Mark Langford Re: My 2 cents worth on "rammed" carburetor air intake 14282 by: Serge Vidal How to fit wingtip mounted lights? 14284 by: Serge Vidal Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 11:10:27 +0800 To: "'KRnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "Hokanson, Michael J AM1 (VFA-113)" Subject: RE: KR> Comparison Message-ID: Taildragger comparison? What about visibility comparison while flying/taxiing? -----Original Message----- From: Robert X. Cringely [mailto:bob@cringely.com] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 18:57 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Comparison I have flown both. The KR-1 is faster, has crisper handling and requires more runway. The Hummel is for pilots 5' 10" and under and is VERY easy and pleasant to fly. It is not aerobatic but is so darned fun you don't care. Cruise is 110 at 2.5 gallons-per-hour. It makes a great first homebuilt. I should point out that, though I have flown one, I didn't build it. It was built by a hangar-mate. If you want good handling, good speed, room for a big pilot, but still want a tiny airplane, build an MC-100 Cri-Cri. And let me know when you find reliable engines for it because I have one Cri-Cri in the hangar and two kits in the barn, all of which need engines. Bob >Has anyone done any flight/handling/construction comparisons with the KR1 or >KR2 and the little Hummelbird? I know the Hummelbird is a metal >construction, 1/2 VW powered bird, and obviously smaller and lighter. Would >like to hear from anyone who has dealt with one. They have a few builders >online, but would like to hear from a KR enthusiast who has dealt with both. >Thanks, > >Mike > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 20:04:16 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: RE: KR> Comparison Message-Id: No visibility problems in either. Bob >Taildragger comparison? What about visibility comparison while >flying/taxiing? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robert X. Cringely [mailto:bob@cringely.com] >Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 18:57 >To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: Re: KR> Comparison > > >I have flown both. The KR-1 is faster, has crisper handling and >requires more runway. The Hummel is for pilots 5' 10" and under and >is VERY easy and pleasant to fly. It is not aerobatic but is so >darned fun you don't care. Cruise is 110 at 2.5 gallons-per-hour. >It makes a great first homebuilt. I should point out that, though I >have flown one, I didn't build it. It was built by a hangar-mate. > >If you want good handling, good speed, room for a big pilot, but >still want a tiny airplane, build an MC-100 Cri-Cri. And let me know >when you find reliable engines for it because I have one Cri-Cri in >the hangar and two kits in the barn, all of which need engines. > > >Bob > > > > >>Has anyone done any flight/handling/construction comparisons with the KR1 >or >>KR2 and the little Hummelbird? I know the Hummelbird is a metal >>construction, 1/2 VW powered bird, and obviously smaller and lighter. >Would >>like to hear from anyone who has dealt with one. They have a few builders >>online, but would like to hear from a KR enthusiast who has dealt with >both. >>Thanks, >> >>Mike >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" >> >>To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> >>See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >>or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > >-- > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 21:14:51 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT BUILDING A 2400 CC VW.ENGINE Message-ID: <0a4201c2b39f$72940370$0100a8c0@TD310> BilAshl@aol.com wrote: > I would like to know if anyone flying the VW.engine could please send me > information or at least get in contact with me, i have a type4 case and would > like to build it myself to at least 2400cc... There's a fair amount of info on how to build a Type 4 at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kvw.html that might help you out. And don't forget that Steve Bennett at http://www.greatplainsas.com/ will sell you everything you need in kit form, and send you a manual that tells how to do it, if you'd just like to do it yourself... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:27:40 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT BUILDING A 2400 CC VW.ENGINE Message-ID: <00b901c2b3b2$01043a00$0100a8c0@barry> Ron Slender , VW engines Australia will answer your questions and sell you anything you need , including a geared reduction unit. and alum cylinders, if you like. It's worth a look. www.vw-engines.com Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 NSW Australia. See our VW engines at; www.vw-engines.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 1:30 PM Subject: KR> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT BUILDING A 2400 CC VW.ENGINE > I would like to know if anyone flying the VW.engine could please send me > information or at least get in contact with me, i have a type4 case and would > like to build it myself to at least 2400cc or maybe a little less give or > take a few cc's I would like to build this engine myself I have a problem > receiving an engine in the mail some of you probley don't think a thing about > it but i do, she may sound good running for awhile in the air just something > to think about sorry for so much of my emput or my thoughts > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:47:37 -0500 To: From: "bob" Subject: Re: KR> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT BUILDING A 2400 CC VW.ENGINE Message-ID: <001701c2b43a$e65c32a0$02000003@i4t4j9> try www.scatenterprises.com for an additional source of parts ans information happy flying! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:30 PM Subject: KR> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT BUILDING A 2400 CC VW.ENGINE | I would like to know if anyone flying the VW.engine could please send me | information or at least get in contact with me, i have a type4 case and would | like to build it myself to at least 2400cc or maybe a little less give or | take a few cc's I would like to build this engine myself I have a problem | receiving an engine in the mail some of you probley don't think a thing about | it but i do, she may sound good running for awhile in the air just something | to think about sorry for so much of my emput or my thoughts | | --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Digital Link's Declude Anti-Virus] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 21:33:26 -0600 To: kr From: Peg and Mike Meyer Subject: Gear Casting Dimensions Message-id: <012301c2b3a2$0b05d280$15ecfea9@o0c8u6> --Boundary_(ID_UGWelVJZVOn3++J83xsX6Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Can someone out there give me the dimensions of the Diehl casting that attaches to the main spar? I searched the archives and I've got a good idea on the height (roughly 6.75"), but I'm having trouble determining the width,and more importantly, the thickness of the casting. Thanks for your help. Mike Meyer --Boundary_(ID_UGWelVJZVOn3++J83xsX6Q)-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 19:47:37 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Wilson Subject: Re: KR> Gear Casting Dimensions Message-ID: <20030104034737.19472.qmail@web21209.mail.yahoo.com> Mike, You can go to Deihl's website and there are instructions there for installing the landing gear. If you scroll down through the instructions there is a full size template drawing of the leg to spar attach bracket. Hope this helps, Rick Wilson. rwdw2002@yahoo.com --- Peg and Mike Meyer wrote: > Can someone out there give me the dimensions of the > Diehl casting that attaches to the main spar? I > searched the archives and I've got a good idea on > the height (roughly 6.75"), but I'm having trouble > determining the width,and more importantly, the > thickness of the casting. Thanks for your help. > > Mike Meyer > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 23:02:41 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Gear Casting Dimensions Message-ID: <17e.149bef25.2b47b6e1@aol.com> In a message dated 1/3/03 8:30:05 PM Mountain Standard Time, pmmeyer@swbell.net writes: << Can someone out there give me the dimensions of the Diehl casting that attaches to the main spar? >> Mike, mine are 9-3/4" wide by 6-7/8" high by 3/8" thick. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 22:13:08 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Gear Casting Dimensions Message-ID: <003401c2b3a7$96cc0aa0$0a00a8c0@800Athlon> Mike Meyer wrote: >>Can someone out there give me the dimensions of the Diehl casting that attaches to the main spar? I searched the archives and I've got a good idea on the height (roughly 6.75"), but I'm having trouble determining the width,and more importantly, the thickness of the casting. << Yep, mine were 3/8" thick in most places. Struck me as being overkill, but then we're talking about a casting which might have imperfections that only an x-ray would expose. Troy Petteway (and others) have welded up their own out of 1/8" 4130 and it came out lighter. His was later "crash tested", and the aluminum gear leg broke, but that bracket was ready for another gear leg... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 05:25:38 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: gleone Subject: Re: KR> Gear Casting Dimensions Message-ID: <3E16C4B2.E21FEC66@tritel.net> --------------F6366E6E30C388E7BB21ACE3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You don't happen to have the link to the web site, do you? Rick Wilson wrote: > Mike, You can go to Deihl's website and there are > instructions there for installing the landing gear. If > you scroll down through the instructions there is a > full size template drawing of the leg to spar attach > bracket. Hope this helps, Rick Wilson. > rwdw2002@yahoo.com > > --- Peg and Mike Meyer wrote: > > Can someone out there give me the dimensions of the > > Diehl casting that attaches to the main spar? I > > searched the archives and I've got a good idea on > > the height (roughly 6.75"), but I'm having trouble > > determining the width,and more importantly, the > > thickness of the casting. Thanks for your help. > > > > Mike Meyer > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------F6366E6E30C388E7BB21ACE3-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 08:01:04 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Wilson Subject: Re: KR> Gear Casting Dimensions Message-ID: <20030104160104.58924.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Mike, You can go down near the bottom of the page at the krnet site and there is a link to deihl's website there. Thanks, Rick Wilson. --- gleone wrote: > You don't happen to have the link to the web site, > do you? > > Rick Wilson wrote: > > > Mike, You can go to Deihl's website and there are > > instructions there for installing the landing > gear. If > > you scroll down through the instructions there is > a > > full size template drawing of the leg to spar > attach > > bracket. Hope this helps, Rick Wilson. > > rwdw2002@yahoo.com > > > > --- Peg and Mike Meyer wrote: > > > Can someone out there give me the dimensions of > the > > > Diehl casting that attaches to the main spar? I > > > searched the archives and I've got a good idea > on > > > the height (roughly 6.75"), but I'm having > trouble > > > determining the width,and more importantly, the > > > thickness of the casting. Thanks for your help. > > > > > > Mike Meyer > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 15:45:05 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Hollmans Books / Glass Spars Message-ID: <007a01c2b3ae$9cbcde60$0100a8c0@barry> Has anybody seen Martin Hollman's books on aircraft design? ------------------------------------------ Brian, Tom Wickers has besigned a All G/glass Cobra Aircraft in Australia.( Including a glass spar.) Tom is a very nice man, He may be able to advise you . ??? His wed site is: www.tomair.com Have a look at his plane, and you will also fine an email address. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 NSW Australia. See our VW engines at; www.vw-engines.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:21:50 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> M100 Cri Cri Engine Message-ID: <009901c2b3b1$32a2ab60$0100a8c0@barry> Robert, This would be a great engine for your plane, or many other aircraft. And much chaeper than the Rotax. www.vw-engines.com Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 NSW Australia. See our VW engines at; www.vw-engines.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 21:29:44 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> M100 Cri Cri Engine Message-Id: I don't think you get it, Phil. A Cri-Cri uses two engines that put out 12-15 horsepower each. Given the ground clearance, a single engine is not an option. There was one Cri-Cri in this country that had dual Rotax 277s and it was a rocket, but I also note that it no longer seems to be around, which says something to me. I have a pair of Solo 210s I am going to try when I get around to it. In short, it has to be a pair of engines and TOGETHER they have to weigh no more than about 50 lbs, so no half-VWs. Bob >Robert, >This would be a great engine for your plane, or many other aircraft. >And much chaeper than the Rotax. >www.vw-engines.com > > >Phil Matheson >matheson@dodo.com.au >61 3 58833588 >NSW >Australia. >See our VW engines at; >www.vw-engines.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 17:17:33 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> M100 Cri Cri Engine Message-ID: <012f01c2b3b8$f978e7c0$0100a8c0@barry> Bob, Very sorry. I looked up m100 cri cri on the search engine, and it showed me a two seat tee tail aircraft. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 NSW Australia. See our VW engines at; www.vw-engines.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 22:29:51 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> M100 Cri Cri Engine Message-Id: I think someone in this thread (maybe me) got the model number wrong. It is MC 12 Cri-Cri. Here's a picture of the jet version: http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html. And the regular version: http://www.airshows.de/2001/oehna/bilder2.htm. Bob >Bob, >Very sorry. > >I looked up m100 cri cri on the search engine, and it showed me a two seat >tee tail aircraft. > >Phil Matheson >matheson@dodo.com.au >61 3 58833588 >NSW >Australia. >See our VW engines at; >www.vw-engines.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 03:58:55 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: " Kevin" Subject: Re: KR> M100 Cri Cri Engine Message-ID: Would some of the new large scale model airplane engines work that are gasoline powered? There are some really big ones now. Kevin On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 21:29:44 -0800 "Robert X. Cringely" wrote: > I don't think you get it, Phil. A Cri-Cri uses > two engines that put > out 12-15 horsepower each. Given the ground > clearance, a single > engine is not an option. There was one Cri-Cri > in this country that > had dual Rotax 277s and it was a rocket, but I > also note that it no > longer seems to be around, which says something > to me. I have a pair > of Solo 210s I am going to try when I get > around to it. In short, it > has to be a pair of engines and TOGETHER they > have to weigh no more > than about 50 lbs, so no half-VWs. > > > Bob > > > >Robert, > >This would be a great engine for your plane, > or many other aircraft. > >And much chaeper than the Rotax. > >www.vw-engines.com > > > > > >Phil Matheson > >matheson@dodo.com.au > >61 3 58833588 > >NSW > >Australia. > >See our VW engines at; > >www.vw-engines.com > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: > krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: > krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 05:15:17 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: gleone Subject: Re: KR> M100 Cri Cri Engine Message-ID: <3E16C245.51F70283@tritel.net> --------------D15C230C0A4B005773C794FC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sure, if you're building a model of the KR. Kevin wrote: > Would some of the new large scale model airplane engines work that are > gasoline powered? There are some really big ones now. > > Kevin > > On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 21:29:44 -0800 "Robert X. Cringely" > wrote: > > > I don't think you get it, Phil. A Cri-Cri uses > > two engines that put > > out 12-15 horsepower each. Given the ground > > clearance, a single > > engine is not an option. There was one Cri-Cri > > in this country that > > had dual Rotax 277s and it was a rocket, but I > > also note that it no > > longer seems to be around, which says something > > to me. I have a pair > > of Solo 210s I am going to try when I get > > around to it. In short, it > > has to be a pair of engines and TOGETHER they > > have to weigh no more > > than about 50 lbs, so no half-VWs. > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > >Robert, > > >This would be a great engine for your plane, > > or many other aircraft. > > >And much chaeper than the Rotax. > > >www.vw-engines.com > > > > > > > > >Phil Matheson > > >matheson@dodo.com.au > > >61 3 58833588 > > >NSW > > >Australia. > > >See our VW engines at; > > >www.vw-engines.com > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To post to the list, email: > > krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > >See the KRNet archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > -- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: > > krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------D15C230C0A4B005773C794FC-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 23:01:11 -0600 To: From: "Justin" Subject: HS Stab spar Message-ID: <001201c2b3ae$4d338a60$68d91818@socal.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2B37C.025F1EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the plans it shows this spar as X amout at the root then X amount at = the end correct? Do i just use a block of wood and evenly sand it? How = did you do it on yours? Justin, KR2S http://n116jw.topcities.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2B37C.025F1EA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 09:24:39 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> HS Stab spar Message-ID: <001001c2b440$16030b00$0100a8c0@barry> In the plans it shows this spar as X amout at the root then X amount at the end correct --------------- I just finished my new elevator spar. The tapper does not do to the centre of the spar. Use a table saw or electric plan, works well. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 NSW Australia. See our VW engines at; www.vw-engines.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:49:08 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> HS Stab spar Message-ID: <0ad701c2b443$7ea5d180$0100a8c0@TD310> Justin wrote: >>In the plans it shows this spar as X amout at the root then X amount at the end correct? Do i just use a block of wood and evenly sand it? How did you do it on yours?<< The tablesaw method is shown on my horizontal stabilizer page at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kht.html , and in absolutely excruciating detail on my spar web page at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kspars.html . You can even simply draw pencil lines X wide at the top and X wide at the bottom and sand it to shape, as described in my horizontal stabilizer web page at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kvs.html ................. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 23:52:43 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: David Hartz Subject: Re: KR> KR QUESTIONS Message-ID: <20030104075243.51696.qmail@web41304.mail.yahoo.com> --- Theo Peckham wrote: > I AM VERY INTERESTED IN BUILDING THE KR IIS. > HAVING OWNED AND PILOTED A GRUMMAN YANKEE 125 HP > FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. I CAN APPRECIATE THE QUICK > AND LIGHT HANDLING THE KR PILOTS RAVE ABOUT. > MY FIRST BIG QUESTION IS : HOW MUCH IS INVESTED > IN A COMPLETED KR IIS. I AM SURE THE AMOUNT IS > QUITE > VARIED DUE TO EQUIPMENT CHOICES, BUT A BALL PARK > AMOUNT IS OK. > I HAVE RECENTLY MOVED TO THE NORTH TAMPA, FL. > AREA AND AM GETTING THE GARAGE READY NOW. > > THANKS, THEO PECKHAM > theobren@xtalwind.net THEO IHAVE A 2S PROJECT FOR SALE.ITS IN BOAT STAGE AND I HAVE THE PRE-MOLDED FUSELGE PARTS WITH IT.I AM BUILDING A 2 AND TWO PROJECTS IS ONE TOO MANY. DAVE HARTZ 707-459-5455----CELL-707-684-0294 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 14:23:19 -0500 To: From: "bill kirkland" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> KR QUESTIONS Message-ID: <002c01c2b426$be45d640$eb942a18@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> I'm at the low end and hope to come in for under $ 10,000 us. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:37 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR QUESTIONS > Theo, come to SunNFun and attend the KR Dinner, Virg > > On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 19:50:14 -0500 "Theo Peckham" > writes: > > I AM VERY INTERESTED IN BUILDING THE KR IIS. HAVING OWNED AND > > PILOTED A GRUMMAN YANKEE 125 HP > > FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. I CAN APPRECIATE THE QUICK AND LIGHT > > HANDLING THE KR PILOTS RAVE ABOUT. > > MY FIRST BIG QUESTION IS : HOW MUCH IS INVESTED IN A COMPLETED > > KR IIS. I AM SURE THE AMOUNT IS QUITE > > VARIED DUE TO EQUIPMENT CHOICES, BUT A BALL PARK AMOUNT IS OK. > > I HAVE RECENTLY MOVED TO THE NORTH TAMPA, FL. AREA AND AM GETTING > > THE GARAGE READY NOW. > > THANKS, THEO > > PECKHAM > > theobren@xtalwind.net > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL > WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 07:41:23 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: KR cost Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20030104074123.00902920@mail.midwest.net> > MY FIRST BIG QUESTION IS : HOW MUCH IS INVESTED IN A COMPLETED KR IIS. I AM SURE THE AMOUNT IS QUITE >VARIED DUE TO EQUIPMENT CHOICES, BUT A BALL PARK AMOUNT IS OK. >THANKS, THEO PECKHAM ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= Theo, A very nice (but modest) KR II's will cost you somewhere between $12,000 and $20,000 depending on your scrounging abilities, engine used, radios, etc. . Some will say that's high but they probably aren't counting the mixing cups , brushes, sandpaper, and you name it. KR's and KR projects seem to have a rather low re-sale so starting with an abandoned project can save you a great deal of cash. Just make sure of the workmanship. A little time and effort will find you a good one. Good luck........ Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 15:26:37 +0100 To: From: =?iso-8859-2?B?U3pha+FjcyBM4XN6bPM=?= Subject: Type Certificate for KR2-S Message-ID: <003a01c2b3fd$4b837780$cbd2703e@hs> ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C2B405.AC4C1A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello KR flyers/builders, I'm a future KR2-S builder from Hungary, I have just received the plan = package from Rand Robinson.=20 =20 The KR2-S is not yet certified in Hungary. However, the Hungarian flight = authorities do accept a Type Certificate (or Permit to Flight) issued in = a foreign country. So my question is, how and from where could I get it? = Do any of you have it maybe? Could you mail me a copy of it? Thanks for your help, Laszlo Szakacs ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C2B405.AC4C1A60-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 06:40:17 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Diehl website address Message-ID: <20030104144017.2003.qmail@web40911.mail.yahoo.com> If it has anything REMOTELY connected to KRs, you can find it on Mark Langford's site at: http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr2s.html Just keep scrolling down: http://www.diehlaero.com/ Happy hunting Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX --- gleone wrote: > You don't happen to have the link to the web site, > do you? > > Rick Wilson wrote: > > > Mike, You can go to Deihl's website and there are __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 12:46:24 -0600 To: From: "Geroge Vandor" Subject: Re: KR> Where to find that? Message-ID: <000c01c2b421$9524c2d0$ac7afea9@yourib3g4dzt9h> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 8:18 AM Subject: Re: KR> Where to find that? > Merry Christmas to you! > > The foam I used in building my KR, I ordered from Wicks. HOWEVER, some of > the builders here are using the pink or blue 4 X 8 sheets of foam from local > building supply companies. Can't remember but one of them is a little > heavier than the other. I used the pink foam to lay up my cowl form. > > The building foam is harder to sand but much cheaper and no shipping costs, > which can eat you alive depending on where you live. If I were building > again, would use the urethane for the leading edge, which needs to be sanded, > and the flat construction foam for the rest of the wing. The stuff will bend > enough to conform to the airfoil and will give a beautiful flat surface to > lay the glas on. Don't forget the old wood workers tip of sawing grooves into > a sheet to aid in bending it. > > Don't understand your question about the stub wing tanks. Again, if I did it > again, would build alum or glas tanks on the bench and glas them into the > wing. > > Bob, Wichita > hy Bob happy new year! and happy flying!Could you tell me what is the best glue for gluing the pink foam to the wing spars? Many thanks, George ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 13:07:18 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Where to find that? Message-ID: <0a9301c2b424$8132d610$0100a8c0@TD310> George wrote: > > hy Bob happy new year! and happy flying!Could you tell me what is the best > glue for gluing the pink foam to the wing spars? Many thanks, George Just about any glue will do. I can't think of a single glue (maybe rubber cement!) that's weaker than foam. Most people probably use micro (epoxy mixed with microballoons) in order to keep things light. Micro isn't very strong, but it's at least 10 times stronger than foam, so that's good enough. In cases where you can't ensure sufficient coverage (you want as much contact area as possible), you can use polyurethane glue (Gorilla Glue is one, and even Elmer's makes one that I've been using), which slowly expands after it's depensed due to a reaction with moisture in the air (or moisture that you've misted on the foam and spar). We ARE talking about spar FACES, since the only thing you want in contact with the top or bottom of the spar cap is epoxy and glass. Anything else compromises the joint between the skin and spar, and is not good. Don't forget to spread epoxy on the spar faces before foaming (to seal it against moisture). The most important thing about gluing foam to spars or ribs is to make absolutely sure that you don't have any glue protruding out of the joint that will interfere with sanding the airfoil to shape. If you do, the glue will be much harder to sand, but the foam will invariably get sanded, and you'll have a depression and then a high spot in your final layup. Then when you try to sand it flat, you'll cut right through the glass and compromise that critical spar-to-skin joint. Not good. Be especially careful with the polyurethane because it will expand outside of where you applied it. If you screw up and have some oozing out, I use a Dremel tool and pointed cutter bit to cut it out, and actually go a little lower to make SURE that I don't have a high spot in the final layup. I usually glue the center of the foam to the spar with oolyurethane glue, and then sand the airfoil to shape (knowing that I don't have glue from top to bottom of the joint), but when I squeegee micro onto the foam just prior to applying a layup, I'll mix some stiffer micro (more micro than slurry has) and push down into the cracks. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 11:23:35 +0200 To: From: "Serge Vidal" Subject: RE: KR> My 2 cents worth on "rammed" carburetor air intake Message-ID: <000001c2b43b$6241e130$220127c4@sergevidal12> Thanks for that most precious piece of info, Mark! Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford [mailto:langford@hiwaay.net] Sent: 03 January 2003 18:49 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> My 2 cents worth on "rammed" carburetor air intake Serge wrote: > 1).. > 2) There will necessarily be a huge difference in mixture richness between > the rammed air intake and the air filter intake. So, unless you have a very > effective mixture control, you run the risk of killing the engine when you > operate the valve. > 3)... I'd like to expound on number 2). Jim hill used to have an air filter that resembled a Cessna's, just a square filter stuck on the bottom of the cowling. He wanted ram air to he made a cool looking snorkel affair like Marty has on his plane, and he spent a few days making one. Before he flew it, he test ran it and had no problems, maybe even got a few more rpms out of it static. But on the first flight, as soon as he finished climbing to pattern altitude and started picking up speed, the engine quit altogether, with no warning. Considering the 75 foot trees on one end of our 40 foot wide, 2400 foot long runway, this was not a good thing. (This runway is why he always did well at "spot landing" contests at the Gatherings). He basically landed over a 75 foot obstacle, doing 150 mph. Needless to say, he quickly found himself plowing up cotton off the end of the runway, eventually nosing it over in a ditch. He broke the cowling, canopy, and the tail off the plane, although all he suffered was a bruised knee and bruised pride. It took him 2 years to get his plane back into flying condition. Post mortem speculation (and the point of this tale) is that he should have vented the float bowl to the ram air too, rather than keeping the vent isolated towards the engine compartment. I forget exactly what carb he was using, but it had a separate tube for venting the float chamber. The moral is to vent the float bowl to the same pressure that the throat is seeing, or you might risk having your bowl pressurized by the ram air from the venturi end, starving it for fuel. Oh, and the reason I'm going tailwheel is because everybody who flies one tells me that it'll make you a better pilot all the way around, giving you a better understanding of the controls and how you make the plane do exactly what you want. I'm all for that! Also, I'm going to be flying into a sod field on my father's farm alot, and would promptly rip the nose wheel off, I suspect. But I can understand why others would want trigear. I should probably mention that Jim converted from taildragger to trigear during the repair phase, and liked the trigear better. Maybe we should just call it a preference. Trim tab's almost done... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 00:01:54 +0200 To: From: "Serge Vidal" Subject: How to fit wingtip mounted lights? Message-ID: <000d01c2b43c$e6fad1b0$220127c4@sergevidal12> I want to install some wingtip-mounted lights on my KR2. So, I have to route some wires to the wingtips. The trouble is, the wings are closed (my KR has been flying for 8 years). I did not build the plane, so I'm not too sure how KR2 wings are built. I have been told that KR ribs are made of foam. Therefore, I thought I might be able to use a very long piece of hard wire to poke through the wings, all the way through the wing gap seals. Now, after having had a look at the construction manual, I have doubts. There seem to be some plywood ribs on the way. Is that correct? If yes, any ideas on how I could route these wires? Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************