From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 11 Jan 2003 06:27:45 -0000 Issue 604 Date: Friday, January 10, 2003 10:28 PM krnet Digest 11 Jan 2003 06:27:45 -0000 Issue 604 Topics (messages 14429 through 14449): Re: CARB for Corvair or fuel injection 14429 by: Ron Eason Re: Center stick 14430 by: Louis Staalberg 14435 by: Edwin Blocher 14436 by: virgnvs.juno.com 14439 by: Dan Heath 14441 by: Dan Heath Fun Friday 14431 by: Dana Overall Re: Bill Clapp - Bounced Check 14432 by: Scott Cable 14442 by: Robert E. Moser Alamo City Corvair College update 14433 by: Oscar Zuniga 14440 by: Kevin Jones 14443 by: David McKelvey blunt trailing edges 14434 by: Deems Herring Re: duel stick 14437 by: Phillip Matheson 14438 by: Dan Heath Re: Subaru or Corvair 14444 by: David Clinthonre Re: Progress Report 14445 by: David Clinthonre Corvair Aluminum Cylinders 14446 by: Phillip Matheson 14448 by: Deems Herring Corvair Cylinders/Sorry 14447 by: Phillip Matheson Re: bosch fuel injected corvair 14449 by: Carrottop104.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:12:24 -0800 To: , "Mark Langford" From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Re: CARB for Corvair or fuel injection Message-Id: <200301100912.AA124977486@jrl-engineering.com> You are right its complicated and lots of componets. Electronic Fuel Injection systems with electronic ignition systems on late model cars now days are much simplier with fewer and much lighter componets and very reliable. Their are many brands to choose from. Draw backs are expense as compaired to Carbs but less icing problems. KRron ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Mark Langford" Reply-To: "Mark Langford" Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:00:48 -0600 >Bill Higdon wrote: > >> Call me crazy, but how abot the Bosch constant flow system used on the >> Rabbits, Jetas, Volvos etc. It's simple few parts etc. Biggest problem >> is a fuel pump. > >I've thought long and hard about the CIS system that you are talking about, >and created a web page to explain it ( >http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/CIS.html ). You would probably want a 6 >cylinder system, ala BMW or Mercedes for a Corvair. > >I'm not going to do it though, because I don't think there's nearly enough >benefit from it to offset the weight and complexity issues, not to mention >the massive amount of space required for all the components. A carburetor >is light, small, and it works! > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > -- Ronald R. Eason Sr. Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:42:23 -0700 To: From: "Louis Staalberg" Subject: Re: KR> Center stick Message-ID: <002001c2b8cf$ba262bc0$0100a8c0@toshiba> The photograph on the front of the KR Newsletter, issue 186 indeed shows his airplane "Dumbo", registration is N90JC. Louis Staalberg N9FL@cybertrails.com Payson, Arizona ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 15:32:07 -0600 To: , "Louis Staalberg" From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> Center stick Message-ID: <003e01c2b8ef$ba902aa0$0201a8c0@computer> Thanks for this info. The only problem is that I am missing 2 issues of 1992 newsletters and guess what, 186 is missing. I would be glad to pay someone for a copy of the article. Thanks ED Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL eblocher@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Staalberg" To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:40 PM Subject: Re: KR> Center stick > Edwin, I don't know if you plan to build or buy a dual stick arrangement > but please note: > In the KR Newsletter, issue 186 of Nov. 1992 there is a very detailed > article, complete with detailed drawings on how to make one. > I quote the last paragraph of this article: > Quote > If anybody would like a completed dual stick control system, they > can contact me at the address and phone number listed below. > > David Carroll > 1713 Live Oak Dr. > Kennesaw, GA 30144 > 404-429-0092 > > End quote > > I have actually built this one and am very pleased with it. > > p.s No, not flying yet but getting close! > Regards, > > Louis Staalberg > N9FL@cybertrails.com > Payson, Arizona > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 16:35:25 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Center stick Message-ID: <20030110.164446.-358557.0.virgnvs@juno.com> O K, That is the plane that I brought up about a year ago and almost got thrown off the net. Thanks, Virg On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:38:43 -0600 "Brian J Bland" writes: > Virg, > > That post didn't come from David. Louis was just quoting what was > in the > newletter at one time. I believe David called his airplane "Dumbo" > > Brian J Bland > Claremore, OK > > mailto:bruiser@dellepro.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: virgnvs@juno.com [mailto:virgnvs@juno.com] > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 9:01 AM > To: N9FL@cybertrails.com > Cc: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> Center stick > > > Dave, Did you once have an airplane flying ? What was it's > name, Virg > > On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:40:06 -0700 "Louis Staalberg" > writes: > > Edwin, I don't know if you plan to build or buy a dual stick > > arrangement > > but please note: > > In the KR Newsletter, issue 186 of Nov. 1992 there is a very > > detailed > > article, complete with detailed drawings on how to make one. > > I quote the last paragraph of this article: > > Quote > > If anybody would like a completed dual stick control system, they > > can contact me at the address and phone number listed below. > > > > David Carroll > > 1713 Live Oak Dr. > > Kennesaw, GA 30144 > > 404-429-0092 > > > > End quote > > > > I have actually built this one and am very pleased with it. > > > > p.s No, not flying yet but getting close! > > Regards, > > > > Louis Staalberg > > N9FL@cybertrails.com > > Payson, Arizona > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > > all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL > WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY > > ------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 10/24/2002 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 10/24/2002 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:21:27 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Center stick Message-Id: <3E1F7FA7.000003.01196@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_RJ2JG6G0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I can find our drawing, I will e-mail you a copy.=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath -Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Friday, January 10, 2003 01:39:10 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org; Louis Staalberg=0D Subject: Re: KR> Center stick=0D =0D Thanks for this info. The only problem is that I am missing 2 issues of 1= 992=0D newsletters and guess what, 186 is missing.=0D I would be glad to pay someone for a copy of the article.=0D Thanks=0D ED=0D Ed Blocher=0D Santa Rosa Beach, FL=0D eblocher@earthlink.net=0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: "Louis Staalberg" =0D To: =0D Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:40 PM=0D Subject: Re: KR> Center stick=0D =0D =0D > Edwin, I don't know if you plan to build or buy a dual stick arrangemen= t=0D > but please note:=0D > In the KR Newsletter, issue 186 of Nov. 1992 there is a very detailed=0D > article, complete with detailed drawings on how to make one.=0D > I quote the last paragraph of this article:=0D > Quote=0D > If anybody would like a completed dual stick control system, they=0D > can contact me at the address and phone number listed below.=0D >=0D > David Carroll=0D > 1713 Live Oak Dr.=0D > Kennesaw, GA 30144=0D > 404-429-0092=0D >=0D > End quote=0D >=0D > I have actually built this one and am very pleased with it.=0D >=0D > p.s No, not flying yet but getting close!=0D > Regards,=0D >=0D > Louis Staalberg=0D > N9FL@cybertrails.com=0D > Payson, Arizona=0D >=0D >=0D > ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D >=0D > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org=0D > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D >=0D > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D >=0D =0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_RJ2JG6G0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:35:53 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Center stick Message-Id: <3E1F8309.000005.01196@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_T73J6RO0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let me say one more thing about the dual stick. I flew my first KR for about 6 years. I had to build an arm rest because there was no place to rest and steady your arm. Also, you cannot change hands to deal with cha= rts and things like radio frequency changes. That was my main motivator for doing the dual stick. And, so far, the shop flying has been great.=0D =0D Please note.. Jerry and I are now N64KR and gathering bound.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath -Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Friday, January 10, 2003 04:48:03 AM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: KR> Center stick=0D =0D Dan Heath wrote:=0D =0D >>We built a dual stick using those plans and I think we are going to lik= e=0D it.=0D Also, Rand sells one they are very proud of.<<=0D =0D I believe Jeannette once told me that the dual stick setup that she sells= is=0D made to those same plans (David Carroll's), but I could be wrong.=0D =0D Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL=0D mailto:langford@hiwaay.net=0D see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford=0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_T73J6RO0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:55:54 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Fun Friday Message-ID: Since it's Friday.... I'm trying to post pics that relate to any builder, not just the one I'm currently building; thus these pics. I took about .5 hours away from lunch and stepped out into the shop for some RV time (I get to my shop through a door in my CPA office.......how nice it is:-). These pics show the installation process of my wing inspection panels. I would certainly encourage all to put in inspection panels. I have riveted fiberglass and the only thing you need is some typle of backplate and maybe a thin alum piece between your layers of glass for the panel itself. In this case, the nutplates represent the backing plate. On a KR, just countersink your screw holes instead of dimpling like in some of these pics. This is how my skins come prepunched and indented for the panels. Follow the same procedure for a KR. http://rvflying.tripod.com/panel1.jpg This one shows the rivet holes countersunk for flush surface and the bolt holes dimpled for a #8 an screw AN509 8R8. http://rvflying.tripod.com/panel2.jpg Nutplates clecoed into position. Nothing would change here for a KR. http://rvflying.tripod.com/panel3.jpg All nutplates riveted using AN3-3.5 flush rivets. http://rvflying.tripod.com/panel4.jpg The finished product of .5 hours at lunch http://rvflying.tripod.com/panel5.jpg Now back to our regular programming.......or in this case.......back to cranking out W-2s Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:21:40 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Scott Cable Subject: RE: KR> Bill Clapp - Bounced Check Message-ID: <20030110182140.94943.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> I feel for all of you that have gotten taken by this creep. Mr. Clapp should be man enough to make good on his promise/contract. A man is only as good as his word. There is a way to deal with this, which, unfortunatly, found out the hard way, use C.O.D. That's the best way to prevent from getting scammed. I got took for a $1000.00 axle clutch, I sent the clutch, and I never got the money for it. So I learned after that, no way but C.O.D. If someone objects to sending you an item C.O.D., then they are most likely NOT on the up and up. Avoid them like the plague.... --- Rick Wilson wrote: > Hi, I recall someone else having some dealings with > Mr. Clapp a few months ago. I believe Mr. Clapp sent > him something other than the landing gear he was > supposed to be buying. The guy who bought the gear > from him sent him around 1000.00 or so I think. He > had > a terrible time just getting any parts at all from > him. I almost sent him money for the same landing > gear > but luckily I didn't. Rick Wilson. > --- smahaini wrote: > > Agree, not just Saad, but had to pay my bank > another > > $15 fee for > > depositing his rubber check. This make me Sad Saad > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ronevogt@aol.com [mailto:Ronevogt@aol.com] > > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:50 AM > > To: KRnet@mailinglists.org > > Subject: Re: KR> Bill Clapp - Bounced Check > > > > I'd be Saad too if someone sent me a bad check. > > > > RV > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > , > > NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Livonia, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:41:30 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Robert E. Moser" Subject: RE: KR> Bill Clapp - Bounced Check Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030110183743.00b55648@192.168.0.1> To List members: There is another way in addition to COD, internet escrow. An escrow agent holds a sales agreement established between two parties. The buyer sends the money to the agent. Then, the seller sends the merchandise. After the merchandise arrives and is accepted by the buyer, the agent releases the money to the seller. Everything is done online... I do most of my major internet purchases this way. Robert At 10:21 AM 1/10/2003 -0800, you wrote: >I feel for all of you that have gotten taken by this >creep. >Mr. Clapp should be man enough to make good on his >promise/contract. A man is only as good as his word. >There is a way to deal with this, which, unfortunatly, >found out the hard way, use C.O.D. That's the best >way to prevent from getting scammed. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:18:52 -0600 To: corvaircraft@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Alamo City Corvair College update Message-ID: Hello, folks; For those who are planning to attend the College next weekend, Jan. 18, I've posted detailed directions and info on area motels, at http://www.experimental-aviation.com/Corvair/AlamoDirections.html so you can print the page out and get hopelessly lost ;o) Tomorrow, Jan. 11, the attendees at the EAA Chapter 35 monthly meeting will get a little intro to the Corvair conversion, call it "Corvair 101", where I'll have William's manual available and my engine all laid out in pieces for examination and will give the evening program on a broad overview of the conversion process. Any and all are welcome... 5:30 PM at the Chapter clubhouse at San Geronimo Airpark... Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:26:32 -0500 To: From: "Kevin Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Alamo City Corvair College update Message-ID: <001b01c2b8ff$b794f8c0$4bebfea9@TheMonster> For those who won't make the CC, could you give us a start on the next one by takitg pictures and posting them to the corvair net. (I don't know what thisl is doing here, but it is an aberration. Kevin Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 2:18 PM Subject: KR> Alamo City Corvair College update > Hello, folks; > > For those who are planning to attend the College next weekend, Jan. 18, I've > posted detailed directions and info on area motels, at > http://www.experimental-aviation.com/Corvair/AlamoDirections.html so you can > print the page out and get hopelessly lost ;o) > > Tomorrow, Jan. 11, the attendees at the EAA Chapter 35 monthly meeting will > get a little intro to the Corvair conversion, call it "Corvair 101", where > I'll have William's manual available and my engine all laid out in pieces > for examination and will give the evening program on a broad overview of the > conversion process. Any and all are welcome... 5:30 PM at the Chapter > clubhouse at San Geronimo Airpark... > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:06:39 -0600 To: From: "David McKelvey" Subject: RE: KR> Alamo City Corvair College update Message-ID: I plan on taking digital pics next week, with Williams permission I'll send them to someone for posting perhaps on both sites. Dave Grapevine, TX -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Jones [mailto:kevin-jones@snet.net] Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 5:27 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Alamo City Corvair College update For those who won't make the CC, could you give us a start on the next one by takitg pictures and posting them to the corvair net. (I don't know what thisl is doing here, but it is an aberration. Kevin Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 2:18 PM Subject: KR> Alamo City Corvair College update > Hello, folks; > > For those who are planning to attend the College next weekend, Jan. 18, I've > posted detailed directions and info on area motels, at > http://www.experimental-aviation.com/Corvair/AlamoDirections.html so you can > print the page out and get hopelessly lost ;o) > > Tomorrow, Jan. 11, the attendees at the EAA Chapter 35 monthly meeting will > get a little intro to the Corvair conversion, call it "Corvair 101", where > I'll have William's manual available and my engine all laid out in pieces > for examination and will give the evening program on a broad overview of the > conversion process. Any and all are welcome... 5:30 PM at the Chapter > clubhouse at San Geronimo Airpark... > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:52:14 -0600 To: From: "Deems Herring" Subject: blunt trailing edges Message-ID: <000001c2b8e1$c66511a0$6400a8c0@BackOffice> ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2B8AF.7BCAA1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My layman's understanding of blunt trailing edges is that the idea is to give a definite line for flow separation to reduce the tendency towards flutter that could be induced by a changing point of flow separation as a sharp trailing edge moves up and down in the air flow. Two side effects of the blunt trailing edge are increased drag and increasing stick forces with increasing speed. I would guess that Lancair may have included blunt trailing edges not only for flutter but to increase stick forces at high speeds to reduce control sensitivity. Deems Herring, Baudette Minnesota mailto:ballross@wiktel.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.437 / Virus Database: 245 - Release Date: 1/6/2003 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2B8AF.7BCAA1A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 09:56:41 +1100 To: , "Louis Staalberg" From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR>duel stick Message-ID: <00cc01c2b8fb$995ce7e0$0100a8c0@barry> Are the Dave Carroll drawings , push rod or cable?? Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 NSW Australia. See our VW engines at; ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 18:19:41 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR>duel stick Message-Id: <3E1F7F3D.000001.01196@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_TG2JQL80000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Phil,=0D =0D I am not sure if we are talking about the same drawings, but you should b= e able to make them either way. From the drawings that we used, we could either put a tab up and down in the center of the tube and run cables, or just go down with two tabs and use a tube. We chose the tube.=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath -Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Friday, January 10, 2003 02:55:55 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org; Louis Staalberg=0D Subject: Re: KR>duel stick=0D =0D Are the Dave Carroll drawings , push rod or cable??=0D =0D Phil Matheson=0D matheson@dodo.com.au=0D 61 3 58833588=0D NSW=0D Australia.=0D See our VW engines at;=0D =0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_TG2JQL80000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 20:43:00 -0500 To: From: "David Clinthonre" Subject: Re: KR> Subaru or Corvair Message-ID: <005501c2b912$c6bb2aa0$8c2a4144@frbgva.adelphia.net> WG, I have the EA-81 , and figured out the throtle body fuel injection, with altitude compensation , and manual adjustments to the computerr with an aftermarket Holly system. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill kirkland" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 3:47 PM Subject: Re: KR> Subaru or Corvair > Scott; I have a subaru ea 1800, ex turbo fuel injected with r-drive. I paid > $2,000 to have the engine rebuilt with standard pistons. I bought the > machined parts for the R-drive for $1,000. I have another 250 in parts and > about 500 hrs into the r-drive. Completed they cost about 2,000. I haven't > yet worked out whether to use the fuel injection with the computer (just cut > out of eng. with about 6" of leads) or try dual carbs. > If I had to start over I would have a serious talk with Mark Langford about > the corvair. > prices are in Canadian. > W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND > kirkland@vianet.on.ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Cable" <,s2cable1@yahoo.com> > To: > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:18 PM > Subject: KR> Subaru or Corvair > > > > KRNetter's, > > I'm building a KR-2S, which I bought as partially > > completed kit. The person I bought it from included a > > EA-81 Turbo. The engine has not been converted for > > Aero use, and will be needing new pistons, rings and > > bearings at a minimum before I stake my life on it. > > Plus the usual conversion pieces. > > My question is this, Should I go through all of the > > hassle of a pretty complex firewall forward > > installation, (I was not planning on using a reduction > > drive, and mount the prop directly to the crank. > > Adjust power output by adjusting the turbo and > > in-flight adjustable prop.) or just sell the 'Sube and > > exchange it for a Corvair instead? > > Any other Sube owner's out there? > > Over the Holidays I completed the tailgroup, the tail > > contols are now rigged. I put in a elevator > > counterweight similar to Mark Langford's, and I used a > > larger than plans tailwheel. > > She sat on all of her own gear on the 31st of December > > 2002 at 5:30 pm. PROGRESS!!!! > > > > ===== > > Scott Cable > > KR-2S # 735 > > Livonia, MI > > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 20:44:10 -0500 To: From: "David Clinthonre" Subject: Re: KR> Progress Report Message-ID: <006d01c2b912$f092d620$8c2a4144@frbgva.adelphia.net> Bernie, It was great to chat with you last eve. Let's work it out for another time. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "B Wunder" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:13 PM Subject: Re: KR> Progress Report > Hi David, > My wife and daughter are going over to Fredericksburg this Saturday around > 10am. Would you be around for me to drop by for a few minutes while they > are visiting their friend to see your KR? > Thanks > r/Bernie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Clinthonre" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 12:36 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Progress Report > > > > B Wunder, > > I'm in Fredericksburg, VA and about 85-90% done with my KR-2. Where is > > Lexington Park, MD? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "B Wunder" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 9:44 AM > > Subject: KR> Progress Report > > > > > > > KR Builders, > > > Reached another milestone on New Year's Eve...finished all the spars. > Now > > I > > > have a boat and a set of spars. Took about 3 months and 75 hrs to build > > the > > > spars. Got tripped up when I followed the plans to closely and had to > > > backtrack a little to make the spars conform to the new wing dimensions. > > > Weight of these new babies are: wing rear spar: 4 lb; aft center spar: 6 > > lb; > > > wing forward spar: 9 lb; center forward spar: 18 lb. Total weight for > all > > > spars right at 50 lb. I have posted a few pictures on my website. So > to > > > date I have worked 300 hrs and have a boat and set of spars weighing a > > grand > > > total of 100 lbs. > > > HAPPY NEW YEAR and see you at Red Oak! > > > r/Bernie > > > Lexington Park, MD > > > KR2S Builder > > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n2w6 > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:48:38 +1100 To: "krnet listing" From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Corvair Aluminum Cylinders Message-ID: <019601c2b91b$f79cd020$0100a8c0@barry> ------=_NextPart_000_0193_01C2B978.259DAE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Deems wrote. > > For Aluminum cylinders see: http://www.lnengineering.com/ they will = save > > you over 30 lbs but they do cost about $4300 including pistons rings = and ----------------------------------------------------------- VW Engine Centre can do Alum Cylinders with cast liner ( Easier to = rebore if needed) for the 6 Corvair for around $2,500 US Plus working on a : The RG Helical Gear Drive. PSRU Bolt On for Type 1/ Type 4 VW engines. with cush drive flywheel, = starter, ready to bolt on for around $4000.US Contact Ron Slender E-mail Address(es): rslender@smartchat.net.au or visit www.vw-engines.com =20 Australia or US site. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 NSW Australia. See our VW engines at; www.vw-engines.com ------=_NextPart_000_0193_01C2B978.259DAE20-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 23:07:59 -0600 To: From: "Deems Herring" Subject: RE: KR> Corvair Aluminum Cylinders Message-ID: <001201c2b92f$6960aca0$6400a8c0@BackOffice> LN engineering does aluminum cylinders with steel liners but only for VW and Porsche 914. They do refinish the aluminum cylinders if needed although the "Nickies" are harder than steel liners and my experience with them in Porsche engines is that you will go through a couple of cases and several pair of cylinder heads before they need refinishing. They should last even longer at the low RPMs for aircraft use. They are planning on making Corvair cylinders with liners soon and based on the price for VW/Porsche they should be in the $2,500 range with pistons and rings. Deems Herring, Baudette Minnesota mailto:ballross@wiktel.com -----Original Message----- From: Phillip Matheson [mailto:matheson@dodo.com.au] Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 8:49 PM To: krnet listing Subject: KR> Corvair Aluminum Cylinders Deems wrote. > > For Aluminum cylinders see: http://www.lnengineering.com/ VW Engine Centre can do Alum Cylinders with cast liner ( Easier to rebore if needed) for the 6 Corvair for around $2,500 US --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.437 / Virus Database: 245 - Release Date: 1/6/2003 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 13:52:16 +1100 To: "krnet listing" From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Corvair Cylinders/Sorry Message-ID: <01a501c2b91c$74c537e0$0100a8c0@barry> ------=_NextPart_000_01A2_01C2B978.A73249A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Deems wrote. > > For Aluminum cylinders see: http://www.lnengineering.com/ they will = save > > you over 30 lbs but they do cost about $4300 including pistons rings = and ----------------------------------------------------------- Sorry, copied in VW instaed of Corvair. VW Engine Centre can do Alum Cylinders with cast liner ( Easier to = rebore if needed) for the 6 Corvair for around $2,500 US Plus working on a : The RG Helical Gear Drive. PSRU for the Corvair engines. with cush drive flywheel, starter, ready to bolt on for around = $4000.US Contact Ron Slender E-mail Address(es): rslender@smartchat.net.au or visit www.vw-engines.com =20 Australia or US site. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 NSW Australia. See our VW engines at; www.vw-engines.com Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 NSW Australia. See our VW engines at; www.vw-engines.com ------=_NextPart_000_01A2_01C2B978.A73249A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 01:27:45 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Carrottop104@aol.com Subject: Re: bosch fuel injected corvair Message-ID: <18d.144fd1e3.2b511361@aol.com> --part1_18d.144fd1e3.2b511361_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have worked with bosch fuel injection systems. They are a reliable system but they are mostly set up for a four cylinder 1800 CC engine. I am not familiar with the newer models but you could probably find a system on a newer V6 engine closer to 3000 cc. You must conceder the size of the throttle body. The engine is only as strong as the amount of air it can consume. A reciprocating engine is an exceptionally inefficient machine. Normally it converts less than 1/3 of the energy in the fuel into useful work. Approximately 1/2 of the energy goes out the cylinder through the exhaust. About 12% of the energy is lost through the cylinder-part is carried away by the air or liquid coolant and part by the lubricating oil. Another 6% is lost in compressing the air in the cylinders and turning the moving parts in the engine. This leaves about 31% of the original heat energy in the fuel to be converted into useful work. Now that you can see just how inefficient the engine is, you can see how important it is to supply as much induction air as possible. A naturally aspirated engine will only draw in so much air into the cylinder. The intake valve of a typical engine is open for approximately 240 degrease of the crankshaft rotation, and when the engine is turning at 2,300 RPM, the valve is open for approximatly 0.017 second. There is not enough time during each cycle for the mixture to completely fill the cylinder. This is where the term Volumetric Efficiency come in. Volumetric Efficiency = Volume of charge taken into the cylinder Volume of the cylinder A number of things affect Volumetric Efficiency. Some of these are: engine RPM, induction air temperature, cylinder head temp, valve timing, design of the induction system and the degree of turbo charging. Long induction pipes of small diameter restrict the air flow and reduce the Volumetric Efficiency. A venturi too small in a throttle body or carburetor will constrict the amount of air into the cylinders and reduce the Vol. efficiency. Valve overlap, is the time at the end of the exhaust stroke and the beginning of the intake stroke when both valves are off their seat, it is critical for high Volumetric efficiency. If either the intake or exhaust valve clearance is too large, the cam will turn farther before the valve opens, and the valve will close before the cam has rotated to the correct position for the valve to close. This decreases the number of crankshaft rotation the valve is off its seat and decreases valve overlap. Valve overlap aids in scavenging the burned exhaust gases and gives the engine better cooling characteristics. It does this as the cool dense air mixture enters the cylinder it aids to expel out the exhaust. Hot air is less dense than cold air. High induction air temperature or high cylinder head temperature will cause the cylinder to be filled with low-density hot air, and there will be less mass of air to mix with the fuel. The power loss from hot air can easily be shown by the amount of RPM drop when you use carb heat, or power lost from detonation caused by a hot cylinder head. A naturally aspirated engine can never have a Valumemetric Efficiency of 100%, but a turbo charger compresses the air before it enters the engine cylinder and can exceed 100%. I am not telling you to go get a turbo charger!!! most people hear turbo and think more power! In aircraft that is not the reason for a turbo charger. Yes, you do get more power, but the main reason is to fly at higher altitudes where the air is too thin for a naturally aspirated engine to compress the air enough for the engine to operate. You need to know that the Bosch injection system will not supply fuel to the engine until it is already running. The system operates by the induction air that is being pulled through the throttle body fist passes through a large disk plate mounted horizontally inside the air flow meter housing. After the engine is started, the low pressure from the cylinders draws air in from the air flow meter. This is also the box that contains the air filter. The more air the cylinders draw the higher the disk in the air flow meter raises as air pass, and tells the air flow meter to deliver more fuel to the engine. To get the engine to start they installed a cold start valve into the intake manifold. When you start the engine power from the starter is sent to the cold start relay mounted in the fuse box under the drivers side dash. The cold start relay also has a signal sent to it by the water temperature sending unit to tell it if the engine is hot or cold. If the engine is already hot the cold start relay will not activate the cold start valve and the engine will start on vapors already in the engine. If the engine is cold the cold start relay will send voltage to the cold start valve. The valve will spray fuel straight across the inside of the intake manifold, and as the engine is turning over the fuel is drawn into the cylinders with the induction air. After the engine starts, the cold start valve closes and the engine draws air through the air flow meter disk and then the fuel inject starts to fuel the engine. On a corvair you will need to install a cold start valve into both cylinder heads for the engine to start. I would mount the cold start valve so it will spray across all three intake ports from one end to the other. These systems also have a high pressure fuel return to the tank. You might want to install baffles in your fuel tank to keep the fuel from foaming or air bobbles You don't want vapor lock! I would also run two fuel pumps in parallel if one should fail you could turn on the other. I don't know if the fuel would back flow through the other fuel pump or not. You may need to install a high pressure check valve into the out let of both fuel pumps... The automatic altitude compensation system may not work at the altitudes you will be flying at. There is a mixture control on the top of the air flow meter housing but it take a special tool to adjust it. I know it only takes a little adjustment to make a difference. This might the most challenging part of the project. How to make a reliable mixture control. You can get the parts for next to nothing at a wrecking yard, it wouldn't hurt to play with one. Again I strongly advise using a spar set of cylinder heads when experimenting with fuel injection. You will lose nothing if it doesn't work out for you, Just change back to your old heads and nothing but your induction system has been changed. Some of the Bosch systems my vary a little in operation so I would get the auto Manuel for the type and year of the car you pull the injection from. Good luck. Larry --part1_18d.144fd1e3.2b511361_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************