From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 3 Feb 2003 20:37:02 -0000 Issue 621 Date: Monday, February 03, 2003 12:37 PM krnet Digest 3 Feb 2003 20:37:02 -0000 Issue 621 Topics (messages 14844 through 14870): Re:RE: KR> Fw: your help needed 14844 by: josandt.netzero.net 14845 by: Phillip Matheson 14847 by: Edwin Blocher 14848 by: Mark Langford Post for this week - Seems like a long time since last post. 14846 by: Dan Heath Cupla tips 14849 by: Dan Heath 14851 by: Phillip Matheson 14852 by: Edwin Blocher 14853 by: Richard Green Re: Kr@S update 14850 by: Joseph H Horton Re: My condolonces 14854 by: Eduardo Iglesias Re: Dan and Jerry's Post of the Week 14855 by: Frank Ross 14856 by: Dan Heath Re: CorvAircraft> One departure 14857 by: Mark Langford 14858 by: Jim V. Wickert Flaperons 14859 by: Frank Dungan 14860 by: Ron Freiberger New engine torque at 1950 RPM 14861 by: Ron Eason 14862 by: Ron Eason 14863 by: Frank Dungan 14864 by: Sutstoy.aol.com 14865 by: norm-ruth 14867 by: Frank Dungan 14869 by: Bill Higdon uncertified wood in aircraft 14866 by: Oscar Zuniga Sun N Fun 14868 by: Bob Re: a challenge 14870 by: Scott Cable Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:32:50 GMT To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: josandt@netzero.net Subject: Re:RE: KR> Fw: your help needed Message-Id: <20030202.133346.20405.461218@webmail03.lax.untd.com> Wrong. It's sent because someone cares and has an honest desire to do right, be right, think right, live right, and help others. (As opposed to your nonsense.) His was from the heart. Most people do not object to others who feel the need to speak from the heart. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 08:40:27 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Re:RE: KR> Fw: your help needed Message-ID: <000a01c2cb03$b6ce29a0$0100a8c0@barry> Wrong again. That was nice BUT it boes not belong on the KRnet. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 NSW Australia. See our VW engines at; www.vw-engines.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 16:13:48 -0600 To: From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> Re:RE: KR> Fw: your help needed Message-ID: <005401c2cb08$5d486e40$0201a8c0@computer> John, Who the He%$ are you? Mark, Here is another one who doesn't know what this net is for. Just to keep it lega,I am looking for a nose gear. I think I'll go wit a try gear. Still need to sell center steck assy.. ED Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL eblocher@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: KR> Re:RE: KR> Fw: your help needed > Wrong. It's sent because someone cares and has an honest desire to do right, be right, think right, live right, and help others. (As opposed to your nonsense.) His was from the heart. Most people do not object to others who feel the need to speak from the heart. John > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 16:37:49 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Re:RE: KR> Fw: your help needed Message-ID: <004001c2cb0b$b79fd7e0$0802a8c0@TD310> This is simply NOT the place for mass "please forward to everyone you know" mailings of any kind. What if all 600 people on this list sent just one such message each week? That means you'd have to sift through 86 such messages every DAY, looking for the answer to whatever KR question it was that you asked. I feel sure there are hundreds of email lists you could get on that would flood your mailbox with warm caring messages from the heart, but as long as I'm in charge, KRnet isn't gonna be one of 'em... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:35:58 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org (E-mail)" From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Post for this week - Seems like a long time since last post. Message-Id: <3E3DC77E.000003.01220@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_YRLPG6G0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It seems like we haven't been doing anything, but finish work is a lot of work with nothing to show until you get near the end. I still have to we= t sand this to 400 for it to be ready for paint and then we will turn it ba= ck over to finish the canopy and top of the plane before flipping it again f= or the final coat on the bottom.=0D =0D PS: Our dual ignition is on the way back from Steve's, now I hope we are= up to installing it.=0D =0D Direct route to the Post of this week.=0D =0D http://kr-builder.org/WeeksPost2/index.html =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_YRLPG6G0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:20:07 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org (E-mail)" From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Cupla tips Message-Id: <3E3DD1D7.00000C.01220@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_JTNP7TH0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cup.. Mixing cups. Paper ones 12oz. from AS, cost over $4 for 25 cups.=20 Small 9oz plastic glasses, cost $1.79 for 25 with no shipping.=0D =0D Stirring sticks. If you use tongue depressers, keep your band saw handy and cut one end flat first. This works better for getting the stuff off = the bottom of the cup and can be used to spread flox and micro if needed.=0D =0D Cutting special pieces of foam. Band saw works great for this.=0D =0D I know this isn't rocket science, but sometimes little things can really help.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_JTNP7TH0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 10:49:00 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Cupla tips Message-ID: <002001c2cb15$ab255ee0$0100a8c0@barry> Also, Then you finish the cold beer ( soft drink.) Cut the can to the depth you need, it makes a great epoxy cut. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 NSW Australia. See our VW engines at; www.vw-engines.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:06:54 -0600 To: From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> Cupla tips Message-ID: <002d01c2cb20$8b2efe60$0201a8c0@computer> You can also get small hobby/art sticks (popsycle sticks) at some drug stores and hobby stores, a whole bunch for a dollar or so. They are great for small batches and small places. Don't forget to dilute your left over T88 with alcohol and use it for a wood sealer. It takes some stirring but it will dilute. ED Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL eblocher@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org (E-mail)" Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: KR> Cupla tips Cup.. Mixing cups. Paper ones 12oz. from AS, cost over $4 for 25 cups. Small 9oz plastic glasses, cost $1.79 for 25 with no shipping. Stirring sticks. If you use tongue depressers, keep your band saw handy and cut one end flat first. This works better for getting the stuff off the bottom of the cup and can be used to spread flox and micro if needed. Cutting special pieces of foam. Band saw works great for this. I know this isn't rocket science, but sometimes little things can really help. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Red Oak - 2003 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:33:49 -0600 To: From: "Richard Green" Subject: RE: KR> Cupla tips Message-ID: <000801c2cb24$4db146c0$9ceaf5d1@greenhome2a1> And a pair of electrical snips sitting by the epoxy cups will cut the tip of the stir stick flat without starting up the band saw. -----Original Message----- From: Phillip Matheson [mailto:matheson@dodo.com.au] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 5:49 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Cupla tips Also, Then you finish the cold beer ( soft drink.) Cut the can to the depth you need, it makes a great epoxy cut. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 NSW Australia. See our VW engines at; www.vw-engines.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:38:34 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Joseph H Horton Subject: Re: Kr@S update Message-ID: <20030202.183835.-285877.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Hi netters; Mark J. your progress looks great and the regular photo updates are great for the enthusiasm. Today I finished sanding the smooth prime on the bottom of my 2S and had the wife and kids help flip it back over. The corvair big boy will be ready to mount after tonight as I picked up the completed intake manifold today. If all goes well I should be ready to start up in about 2 weeks. I have been putting in what seems like a lot of time, some where around 100 hours since the week before Christmas. The closer I get to a completion the more drive I have. I think I have a chance of this calender year. I have a few little tid bits to write up for the on-line news letter but don't have the address to send it to. could someone please provide it ? Good luck to everyone and build a part a day.-- Joe Horton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 00:26:47 -0300 To: From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Subject: RE: KR> My condolonces Message-ID: <000301c08d82$78cadec0$50bc3fc8@satellite> I want to express my condolences and in the name of many argentine people for the tragedy of Columbia's tripulation and his familys. Eduardo Iglesias La Pampa Argentina --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:33:56 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: Dan and Jerry's Post of the Week Message-ID: <20030203073356.3768.qmail@web40903.mail.yahoo.com> Dan and Jerry, That is sure some pretty work. Photography ain't bad either. Frank in San Antonio, TX __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 06:10:36 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Re: Dan and Jerry's Post of the Week Message-Id: <3E3E785C.000014.01220@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_OPKQ36E1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_OPKQYHI1VA4000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_OPKQYHI1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Frank,=0D =0D Thanks, but I am going to see if there is something I can do about the surface coming out with all the different waves of shades of color. I th= ink I can get those better by using a different tool to reduce them. If you know what causes that, please let me know.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Sunday, February 02, 2003 11:34:32 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> Re: Dan and Jerry's Post of the Week=0D =0D Dan and Jerry,=0D That is sure some pretty work.=0D Photography ain't bad either.=0D Frank in San Antonio, TX=0D =0D =0D __________________________________________________=0D Do you Yahoo!?=0D Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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Frank,
 
Thanks, but I am going to see if there is something I can do about t= he surface coming out with all the different waves of shades of color.&nb= sp; I think I can get those better by using a different tool to reduce th= em.  If you know what causes that, please let me know.
 
N64KR
 
Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, S= C
 
DanRH@KR-Builder.org
 
See you in Red Oak - 2003
 
See our KR at http://KR-Builder.o= rg - Click on the pic
See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA= 242.org
 
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Date: Sunday, Febr= uary 02, 2003 11:34:32 PM
Subject: KR> Re= : Dan and Jerry's Post of the Week
 
Dan and Jerry,
That is sure some pretty work.
Phot= ography ain't bad either.
Frank in San Antonio, TX


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--------------Boundary-00=_OPKQYHI1VA4000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_OPKQ36E1VA4000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 08:07:45 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Cc: Subject: Fwd: CorvAircraft> One departure Message-ID: <000b01c2cb8d$a02ff540$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> John, You're a little confused, aren't you? You sent the message below to the CorvAircraft list, but I believe your beef was with KRnet. I noticed you recently asked questions on CorvAircraft that, when answered, would have helped you to build a reliable engine for your aircraft. But now you're "mad at the world" and have unsubscribed from both lists. KRnet is here to help people build and fly KR aircraft safely, and CorvAircraft is here to help people build safe, reliable aircraft engines. The "petty newsletter" you refer to was also created to help people build and fly their KR aircraft more safely and efficiently, and has it's roots in an invaluable collection of 27 years of informative how-to articles regarding the construction of KR aircraft. Believe it or not, there are some of us who go way out of our way to help others in these endeavors, which for some of us, is our idea of doing good for others, mostly total strangers. That's why we're all here. Then again, some people's idea of doing good is to hit the "forward" button and then the "to everyone in address book". That's fine, as long as KRnet or CorvAircraft are not in your addressbook, and we don't have to put up with it. If we wanted to trade warm, meaningful messages from the heart, we'd all be on one of the other many mailinglists who's main purpose that would serve. By wearing your feelings on your sleeve and getting all worked up over your perception of what is "good" and what (and where) is inappropriate, you've now deprived yourself of all of this expert help, from people who have "been there, done that", and who's only selfless goal is to help others. I guess we all have our own ideas about what's right, what's wrong, what's helpful, and what's not... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 12:28 AM Subject: CorvAircraft> One departure > Adios! > > Shortly after the Columbia tragedy, someone posted a thoughtful piece about > prayer. It seemed to me an appropriate thought. He was flamed by the > members of this net because he was "off-topic." I supported him and was > flamed as well. > > I've been a pilot for 25 years and have always considered pilots to be a > breed apart. They have always been courteous and honorable. That is, I > thought that until I met the new breed that resides here. America's > greatest and most heroic pilots were killed, yet the politically correct > zealots refused to allow any tribute because it might interfere with the > incredibly important business of TALKING about building engines. I am > ashamed to be associated with such a group, so I'll get off the list. "Ed" > seems to think that it only exists for the know-it-alls anyway. No new > blood required. Well, you can have it Ed. You and those like yourself. > > Next time I see some rude SOB in my rear view mirror flipping me the > finger, I'll think of you Ed. Actually, I'll think of this group. The group > that thinks it's petty newsletter is too important to "waste time" thinking > about anything bigger than a chunk of tin. > > Adios! Make sure to tell them what a piece of crud I was, Ed! > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Experience the CorvAircraft search engine at http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch > To subscribe to the DIGEST, e-mail: > corvaircraft-digest-subscribe@mailinglists.org > To Unsubscribe, e-mail: corvaircraft-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > Visit the CorAIRCRAFT web page at http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/CorvAIRCRAFT/ > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 09:43:08 -0500 To: "Mark Langford" From: "Jim V. Wickert" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org, josandt@netzero.net Subject: KR> Fwd: CorvAircraft> One departure Message-ID: <200302030943_MC3-1-2823-5890@compuserve.com> Thank you Mark, Many of us would not be wherre we are today it where not for those who spend more time than one would expect supporting the question on both Corvair and KR. There has been a lot more good developed here that one could ever expect. I am sure there are several aircraft that wourl have been abandoned or put in the corner if it whrer not for this support. An= d I am sure but there is no way to check this but there are several lives that may have been saved from the help offered onl these lists. Leave if you want it is better left that expressed before thinking of you= r fellow builders. Many of count on each others statements even if we do not agree because it instills thought and thought is what can help us all= . Thanks to everyone that takes part on these lists I have gained much more= than I can contribute. Jim Wickert Vision #159 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 09:02:43 -0600 To: "<" From: "Frank Dungan" Subject: Flaperons Message-Id: Question... I know model airplane builders will bias their ailerons to mimic the = effect of flaps. Could this concept be used to give the KR's 10 degrees of flaps or so, but = retain enough travel to maintain good control? Doubt I will really do this, but can't help but wonder. fd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 10:32:37 -0500 To: From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Flaperons Message-ID: Frank said; Question... I know model airplane builders will bias their ailerons to mimic the effect of flaps. Could this concept be used to give the KR's 10 degrees of flaps or so, but retain enough travel to maintain good control? That's how you defeat the washout and get the tips to stall and induce a spin on final. Ron Freiberger mailto:rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 08:52:44 -0800 To: " krnet@mailinglists.org , From: "Ron Eason" Subject: New engine torque at 1950 RPM Message-Id: <200302030852.AA619577604@jrl-engineering.com> OPEL SPEEDSTER TURBO MAKES GENEVA DEBUT NEXT MONTH .... The new Opel Speedster Turbo will celebrate its world premiere at the Geneva International Motor Show, March 6-16, 2003. The mid-engine roadster is powered by a 147 kW (200 hp), 2.0- liter ECOTEC turbo engine that produces a maximum torque of 250 Newton meters from only 1950 rpm. It accelerates from zero to 100 in just 4.9 seconds. The open two-seater, with its stable aluminum chassis and reinforced fiberglass body, feels most at home on winding roads where it can take full advantage of its agile handling. Opel engineers have specially tuned the Speedster's proven motor sport suspension to match with the turbo version (power/weight ratio: 4.7 kg/hp). Aerodynamic characteristics have been optimized with front and rear spoilers. Special 17-inch alloy wheels, a modified front grill and a new interior underscore the Speedster Turbo's performance qualities. Like the Opel Speedster with a 2.2 ECOTEC engine (108 kW/147 hp), the new 200 hp-Turbo is manufactured by Lotus Cars in Hethel, England This engine will be avaiable on the new Saturn cars they are a GM lost foam all aluminum engine casting. Just think 200 hp [turbo] at 1950 rpm. Note: GM owns Opel. KRron -- Ronald R. Eason Sr. Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 08:52:45 -0800 To: " krnet@mailinglists.org , From: "Ron Eason" Subject: New engine torque at 1950 RPM Message-Id: <200302030852.AA619643140@jrl-engineering.com> OPEL SPEEDSTER TURBO MAKES GENEVA DEBUT NEXT MONTH .... The new Opel Speedster Turbo will celebrate its world premiere at the Geneva International Motor Show, March 6-16, 2003. The mid-engine roadster is powered by a 147 kW (200 hp), 2.0- liter ECOTEC turbo engine that produces a maximum torque of 250 Newton meters from only 1950 rpm. It accelerates from zero to 100 in just 4.9 seconds. The open two-seater, with its stable aluminum chassis and reinforced fiberglass body, feels most at home on winding roads where it can take full advantage of its agile handling. Opel engineers have specially tuned the Speedster's proven motor sport suspension to match with the turbo version (power/weight ratio: 4.7 kg/hp). Aerodynamic characteristics have been optimized with front and rear spoilers. Special 17-inch alloy wheels, a modified front grill and a new interior underscore the Speedster Turbo's performance qualities. Like the Opel Speedster with a 2.2 ECOTEC engine (108 kW/147 hp), the new 200 hp-Turbo is manufactured by Lotus Cars in Hethel, England This engine will be avaiable on the new Saturn cars they are a GM lost foam all aluminum engine casting. Just think 200 hp [turbo] at 1950 rpm. Note: GM owns Opel. KRron -- Ronald R. Eason Sr. Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 11:23:58 -0600 To: From: "Frank Dungan" Subject: Re: KR> New engine torque at 1950 RPM Message-Id: Sounds really good, up until the point that you said made in England. As = one who has owned English made cars I have little faith in=20 in their manufacturing abilities to produce or hold quality on a production= basis. Maybe GM will force the quality issue. Ever hear the old joke: "Do you know why the British never really got in making computers... The = could'nt figure out how to make them leak oil" Let the fire works begin... fd >>> ron@jrl-engineering.com 02/03/03 10:52AM >>> OPEL SPEEDSTER TURBO MAKES GENEVA DEBUT NEXT MONTH .... The new Opel = Speedster Turbo will celebrate its world premiere at the Geneva Internation= al Motor Show, March 6-16, 2003.=20 The mid-engine roadster is powered by a 147 kW (200 hp), 2.0- liter ECOTEC = turbo engine that produces a maximum torque of 250 Newton meters from only = 1950 rpm.=20 It accelerates from zero to 100 in just 4.9 seconds.=20 The open two-seater, with its stable aluminum chassis and reinforced = fiberglass body, feels most at home on winding roads where it can take = full advantage of its agile handling. Opel engineers have specially tuned = the Speedster's proven motor sport suspension to match with the turbo = version (power/weight ratio: 4.7 kg/hp). Aerodynamic characteristics have = been optimized with front and rear spoilers. Special 17-inch alloy wheels, = a modified front grill and a new interior underscore the Speedster Turbo's = performance qualities.=20 Like the Opel Speedster with a 2.2 ECOTEC engine (108 kW/147 hp), the new = 200 hp-Turbo is manufactured by Lotus Cars in Hethel, England This engine will be avaiable on the new Saturn cars they are a GM lost = foam all aluminum engine casting. Just think 200 hp [turbo] at 1950 rpm. Note: GM owns Opel. KRron -- Ronald R. Eason Sr. Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO.=20 Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com=20 -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org=20 For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=20 See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=20 or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:54:45 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Sutstoy@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> New engine torque at 1950 RPM Message-ID: <157.1b48a773.2b7006e5@aol.com> --part1_157.1b48a773.2b7006e5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Having owned a Lotus Elan I have to agree with your assesment of english manufacturing Frank. That car sure did go like hell though. Aloha Joe :>}) --part1_157.1b48a773.2b7006e5_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:23:01 -0800 To: "krnet" From: "norm-ruth" Subject: Fw: KR> New engine torque at 1950 RPM Message-ID: <00b801c2cbca$6fee0f60$29ef3a41@pavilion> I will probably get flamed for this, but here goes. "Why do Britishers drink warm beer? Because they have Lucas refrigerators". Norm Original Message ----- From: "Frank Dungan" To: Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:23 AM Subject: Re: KR> New engine torque at 1950 RPM Sounds really good, up until the point that you said made in England. As one who has owned English made cars I have little faith in in their manufacturing abilities to produce or hold quality on a production basis. Maybe GM will force the quality issue. Ever hear the old joke: "Do you know why the British never really got in making computers... The could'nt figure out how to make them leak oil" Let the fire works begin... fd >>> ron@jrl-engineering.com 02/03/03 10:52AM >>> OPEL SPEEDSTER TURBO MAKES GENEVA DEBUT NEXT MONTH .... The new Opel Speedster Turbo will celebrate its world premiere at the Geneva International Motor Show, March 6-16, 2003. The mid-engine roadster is powered by a 147 kW (200 hp), 2.0- liter ECOTEC turbo engine that produces a maximum torque of 250 Newton meters from only 1950 rpm. It accelerates from zero to 100 in just 4.9 seconds. The open two-seater, with its stable aluminum chassis and reinforced fiberglass body, feels most at home on winding roads where it can take full advantage of its agile handling. Opel engineers have specially tuned the Speedster's proven motor sport suspension to match with the turbo version (power/weight ratio: 4.7 kg/hp). Aerodynamic characteristics have been optimized with front and rear spoilers. Special 17-inch alloy wheels, a modified front grill and a new interior underscore the Speedster Turbo's performance qualities. Like the Opel Speedster with a 2.2 ECOTEC engine (108 kW/147 hp), the new 200 hp-Turbo is manufactured by Lotus Cars in Hethel, England This engine will be avaiable on the new Saturn cars they are a GM lost foam all aluminum engine casting. Just think 200 hp [turbo] at 1950 rpm. Note: GM owns Opel. KRron -- Ronald R. Eason Sr. Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 11:23:58 -0600 To: From: "Frank Dungan" Subject: Re: KR> New engine torque at 1950 RPM Message-Id: Sounds really good, up until the point that you said made in England. As = one who has owned English made cars I have little faith in=20 in their manufacturing abilities to produce or hold quality on a production= basis. Maybe GM will force the quality issue. Ever hear the old joke: "Do you know why the British never really got in making computers... The = could'nt figure out how to make them leak oil" Let the fire works begin... fd >>> ron@jrl-engineering.com 02/03/03 10:52AM >>> OPEL SPEEDSTER TURBO MAKES GENEVA DEBUT NEXT MONTH .... The new Opel = Speedster Turbo will celebrate its world premiere at the Geneva Internation= al Motor Show, March 6-16, 2003.=20 The mid-engine roadster is powered by a 147 kW (200 hp), 2.0- liter ECOTEC = turbo engine that produces a maximum torque of 250 Newton meters from only = 1950 rpm.=20 It accelerates from zero to 100 in just 4.9 seconds.=20 The open two-seater, with its stable aluminum chassis and reinforced = fiberglass body, feels most at home on winding roads where it can take = full advantage of its agile handling. Opel engineers have specially tuned = the Speedster's proven motor sport suspension to match with the turbo = version (power/weight ratio: 4.7 kg/hp). Aerodynamic characteristics have = been optimized with front and rear spoilers. Special 17-inch alloy wheels, = a modified front grill and a new interior underscore the Speedster Turbo's = performance qualities.=20 Like the Opel Speedster with a 2.2 ECOTEC engine (108 kW/147 hp), the new = 200 hp-Turbo is manufactured by Lotus Cars in Hethel, England This engine will be avaiable on the new Saturn cars they are a GM lost = foam all aluminum engine casting. Just think 200 hp [turbo] at 1950 rpm. Note: GM owns Opel. KRron -- Ronald R. Eason Sr. Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO.=20 Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com=20 -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org=20 For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=20 See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=20 or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 11:18:10 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Bill Higdon Subject: Re: KR> New engine torque at 1950 RPM Message-ID: <3E3EC072.6050200@attbi.com> Frank, You also for got why go English drink warm beer, Because Lucas Electric Builds their refrigerators! I've owned 2 different British cars and worked on bunches more. Maybe GM can help, but IIRC even Honda gave up an the British auto industry. Bill Higdon Frank Dungan wrote: > Sounds really good, up until the point that you said made in England. As one who has owned English made cars I have little faith in > in their manufacturing abilities to produce or hold quality on a production basis. Maybe GM will force the quality issue. Ever hear the old joke: > > "Do you know why the British never really got in making computers... The could'nt figure out how to make them leak oil" > > Let the fire works begin... > fd > > > > >>>>ron@jrl-engineering.com 02/03/03 10:52AM >>> >>> > OPEL SPEEDSTER TURBO MAKES GENEVA DEBUT NEXT MONTH .... The new Opel Speedster Turbo will celebrate its world premiere at the Geneva International Motor Show, March 6-16, 2003. > > The mid-engine roadster is powered by a 147 kW (200 hp), 2.0- liter ECOTEC turbo engine that produces a maximum torque of 250 Newton meters from only 1950 rpm. > > It accelerates from zero to 100 in just 4.9 seconds. > The open two-seater, with its stable aluminum chassis and reinforced fiberglass body, feels most at home on winding roads where it can take full advantage of its agile handling. Opel engineers have specially tuned the Speedster's proven motor sport suspension to match with the turbo version (power/weight ratio: 4.7 kg/hp). Aerodynamic characteristics have been optimized with front and rear spoilers. Special 17-inch alloy wheels, a modified front grill and a new interior underscore the Speedster Turbo's performance qualities. > > Like the Opel Speedster with a 2.2 ECOTEC engine (108 kW/147 hp), the new 200 hp-Turbo is manufactured by Lotus Cars in Hethel, England > > This engine will be avaiable on the new Saturn cars they are a GM lost foam all aluminum engine casting. Just think 200 hp [turbo] at 1950 rpm. > Note: GM owns Opel. > > KRron > > -- > Ronald R. Eason Sr. > Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office > J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. > 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. > Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia > Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 12:21:39 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: uncertified wood in aircraft Message-ID: Bob Cringely wrote- >Bernard (NOT "Bernie") Pietenpol built his planes from hemlock he >picked out at the local lumber yard. >there is really no testing procedure for such one-off materials. Marvin Barnard used sassafras wood, available locally (Indiana), to build the prototype M-19 "Flying Squirrel". There is some tabular data available in one of the Forest Products Lab publications, but some of these woods aren't very abundant so they don't even appear in the literature and it comes down to selecting and grading skill (and your confidence in your skill)- but we're experimenters and there are many, many references available to us so we can make a safe and practical selection. And, Bob also wrote- >Back at Rockford in the 1960s there was a guy named Merle Replogle >who had a VW-powered plane called the Gold Bug. You should have seen >this thing. Anyone who has seen the prototype "Flying Squirrel" has probably said/thought the same thing, but here is old Marvin hundreds of safe and fun flying hours later, doing what we're only talking/thinking about doing (many of us), not caring a hoot what his old bird looks like and flying it just the same. He's been to Oshkosh and the other fly-ins, takes the bird out anytime the weather is good, and has a ball. Take a look at the photos yourself and see what award category you think the airplane fits... Golden Hammer, Lindy, Grand Champion, or maybe no awards at all: http://www.flysquirrel.net/proto4.html or http://www.flysquirrel.net/proto3a.html and http://www.flysquirrel.net/proto3b.html Marvin built the plane largely in his backyard. He did not have utility power to his backwoods site so he used mostly hand tools and backyard methods. Metalwork was done by what would be considered 'primitive' blacksmith methods with an open wood fire and an old truck bumper for an anvil, but Marvin is also a skilled professional metalworker and mechanic, so it's all 4130 and AN hardware. Built and flown for $2,500. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:16:58 -0500 To: "KRnet \(E-mail\)" From: "Bob" Subject: Sun N Fun Message-ID: <000001c2cbb8$d370c800$280c0b0a@bubba9> KRnetters, Does anyone know when the KR Dinner will be at this year's Sun N Fun? I'm trying to make plans to attend for a few days and I'd like to be able to get together with all the KR folks. Regards, Bob Lee _____________________________ KR2 N52BL Suwanee, GA USA 91% done, 51% to go! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:37:02 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: Re: KR> a challenge Message-ID: <20030203203702.10589.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> --0-765756620-1044304622=:10009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don Blankenship, You hit the nail on the head. You so aptly put it into words what I've been trying to explain to young Justin, and the rest of the KR Netters. Not only the type of wood, but also the quality control proceedures, qualification testing, etc that make aircraft grade wood what it is. I'm not pulling out the flamethrower at anyone, but a KR is a 200mph Vne aircraft. Justin was talking about being able to attain the 185 cruise speed, remember all of the threads about that one? Bottom line: None of the älternative wood aircraft that other netters have brought to our attention in this long thread have the performance capabilities of a Corvair powered KR2S, So why risk being a lawn dart? Kevin wrote:Have you seen the "Home Depot" homebuilt plane? Kevin. -------Original Message------- From: Donald Blankenship Sent: 01/31/03 12:52 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> a challenge > > This is going to sound bad, but aircraft manufacturers are not absolutely required to produce structural analysis of their designs. Stress analyses are comforting and hopefully locate potential problems that could be hazardous or expensive to correct, but testing is usually the bottom line. If one can prove test loads are correct by comparison to other flying aircraft for example, then a test to destruction can normally determine whether the structure is adequate to sustain all possible g loads and weights. The main person you would have to convince is yourself, although it must be conceded that a person that uses Home Depot plywood skins may not be the best judge. The FAA inspectors may be (much) harder to convince. If you did build a replica and tested it to destruction, those results would not apply to the plane to be flown, because Home Depot plywood varies in quality and strength from specimen to specimen and may also deteriorate in unpredictable ways in time, weather, and usage. Analysis would be useless for the same reason of unknown variability. So really, using Home Depot plywood, testing or analysis wouldn't prove anything. Aircraft plywood is called aircraft plywood for its quality controls and predictable nature. I don't mean to be mean, but junk can be made to fly, too, but it's still junk in the best application of Websters definition. Basically, no matter what anyone could or would say, Home Depot plywood would not be considered adequate for aircraft structures. Don Blankenship ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Reid Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:04:34 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> a challenge > At 09:35 AM 1/30/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >I presume that Jason has skinned his fuselage with Home Depot plywood. The > >real question is exactly what forces will be exerted on this structure > >when it is in flight.The next question is will this structure survive > >these forces? > >Let the engineers in the net answer the first with accurate numbers. > > That is not going to happen. This type of analysis requires hours of > work. Who pays for the time? > > I did a portion of it on my plane to check what I wanted to modify and to > confirm some of the existing design. The results are my work for my > project. If I published them, I would open myself up to liability when > someone tried to make the same mods on their project. The Rand-Robinson > company currently assumes the liability by publishing a set of plans. > > > > Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com > Bumpass, Va > > Visit my web sites at: > KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm > Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm > EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org > Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Livonia, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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