From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 9 Feb 2003 13:18:53 -0000 Issue 627 Date: Sunday, February 09, 2003 5:19 AM krnet Digest 9 Feb 2003 13:18:53 -0000 Issue 627 Topics (messages 15013 through 15042): Lights, Strobes and cheap shortcuts 15013 by: larry flesner Re: LED nav lights 15014 by: Leigh Plymale 15016 by: B109pro.aol.com 15034 by: william walsh Re: INSURANCE 15015 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout 15021 by: Ron Lee Support for Vert Stab UpsideDown 15017 by: Dan Heath 15018 by: Phil Maley 15019 by: Dan Heath T Tail KR 15020 by: Brian J Bland 15029 by: kevin Update 15022 by: Mark Jones 15023 by: Robert Stone 15024 by: Mark Jones 15042 by: Robert Stone Final Sign Off 15025 by: Steve Glover 15027 by: Sutstoy.aol.com 15040 by: David Clinthonre Strobes 15026 by: Mark Jones Re: scarf joints 15028 by: Ross Youngblood Kenneth L Wiltrout sharp kr2s 15030 by: Flymaca711689.aol.com kr flight training( need help.) 15031 by: william walsh 15037 by: Dan Heath Re: Tips and tricks 15032 by: bill kirkland Re: Lights, Strobes and CLEVER shortcuts 15033 by: bill kirkland Re scarf joints 15035 by: The Fishe Family 15036 by: Dan Heath 15039 by: kevin 15041 by: Sutstoy.aol.com Re: a long x/c with about 5 cups of coffee 15038 by: Richard Green Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 07:18:25 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Lights, Strobes and cheap shortcuts Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20030208071825.0081c100@pop.midwest.net> >Better yet.. make a male mold... get a high temp heat gun.. and you can >drape the plastic over the mold while carefully heating it with the heat >gun.. I have created a couple of different light 'lenses' this way.. >Vince ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ A "ready to use" lense can be had from the the dispensing machines for kids that sell the small football helments, etc. for 50 cents (US). They are a perfect dome of about 1.5 inches diameter and 1.5 inches tall. I bought one dozen of them on a yard sale for $1.00. I plan to epoxy one to the fuselage (after painting) over each strobe tube. I'm using the Radio Shack strobes cut down to only the circuit board with enough of the case to hold it and have them mounted on rubber blocks in the fuselage. Two screws removes the assembly and the lense stays glued to the fuselage. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 09:12:34 -0500 To: From: "Leigh Plymale" Subject: Re: KR> LED nav lights Message-ID: <005901c2cf7c$2086e180$58224044@chvlva.adelphia.net> Thanks Oscar I had a bad day Friday and reading this was the lift I needed :-} ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 8:50 AM Subject: KR> LED nav lights > Has anyone on the list experimented with LEDs for nav lights? All the new > cars seem to have 'em instead of filament type bulbs, and the obvious > advantages are extremely long life (maybe could even be sealed in rather > than have to be accessible) and low power draw. > > And, since it's Friday, here's something from a Piet list member, regarding > avoiding intermediate stops on x-c flights: > > >Remind me to tell you sometime of when I was 17 on a solo > >cross country (after drinking a half-gallon of root beer > >on a hot day while pre-flighting). In my infinite wisdom, I > >decided to try and pee out the side window of a 172. > > > >The radios did work after they dried out...... > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 12:11:07 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: B109pro@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> LED nav lights Message-ID: <11e.1dd6c002.2b76942b@aol.com> --part1_11e.1dd6c002.2b76942b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oscar should have kept the empty Root Beer bottle for the X-C flight! Blue skies, Skip --part1_11e.1dd6c002.2b76942b_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:42:52 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: william walsh Subject: Re: KR> LED nav lights Message-ID: <20030209054252.1584.qmail@web41505.mail.yahoo.com> that was gooooood. that sounds just about what happend to me on a long x/c out a few hundred miles from the nearest airport with about 5 cups of coffee. the bad thing about that was i only had one cup in the plane and my freinds did't bring any soap for the shower. thanks now i don't feel so bad. i am not so sure my friends have got over it yet. i tell them that i won't drink any thing before we fly any more. but they still don't trust me. thanks again william --- Leigh Plymale wrote: > Thanks Oscar I had a bad day Friday and reading this > was the lift I needed > :-} > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Oscar Zuniga" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 8:50 AM > Subject: KR> LED nav lights > > > > Has anyone on the list experimented with LEDs for > nav lights? All the new > > cars seem to have 'em instead of filament type > bulbs, and the obvious > > advantages are extremely long life (maybe could > even be sealed in rather > > than have to be accessible) and low power draw. > > > > And, since it's Friday, here's something from a > Piet list member, > regarding > > avoiding intermediate stops on x-c flights: > > > > >Remind me to tell you sometime of when I was 17 > on a solo > > >cross country (after drinking a half-gallon of > root beer > > >on a hot day while pre-flighting). In my infinite > wisdom, I > > >decided to try and pee out the side window of a > 172. > > > > > >The radios did work after they dried out...... > > > > Oscar Zuniga > > San Antonio, TX > > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months > FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 10:27:17 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: Re: KR> INSURANCE Message-ID: <20030208.102717.2384.0.klw1953@juno.com> My 2S is insured through Skysmith. This will be the 3rd yr it has flown and my premium is around $1200.00. Sounds like I need to shop around On Sat, 8 Feb 2003 01:40:58 EST Flymaca711689@aol.com writes: > Kr insurance. My current premium is now $395 year I need to re join > the eaa > that way you save something like$20 and you get the cool magazine > this is for > the Washington, DC area what are you others guys paying? this is > with avemco > its more reasonable then for me to drive. > > > > > > > mac n1055a > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 18:19:12 -0700 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR> INSURANCE Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030208181801.00a2fb30@127.0.0.1> I suspect that the $395 is liability only and $1200 includes collision coverage (or whatever that is called with airplanes). Big difference in coverage. Ron Lee >My 2S is insured through Skysmith. This will be the 3rd yr it has flown >and my premium is around $1200.00. Sounds like I need to shop around > >On Sat, 8 Feb 2003 01:40:58 EST Flymaca711689@aol.com writes: > > Kr insurance. My current premium is now $395 year I need to re join ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:23:39 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org (E-mail)" From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Support for Vert Stab UpsideDown Message-Id: <3E45BBAB.000028.00396@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_FZR0B2O2QL8000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Netters, Harold Woods was kind enough to send some pictures and narrative= of his process for turning his KR upside down, along with the support for th= e Vertical Stabilizer. Of course, included are some pictures of his projec= t.=20 You do not have to pass GO, and won't collect $200, if you take the short= cut provided herein. =0D =0D http://kr-builder.org/HaroldWoods/index.html=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_FZR0B2O2QL8000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 07:53:41 +0800 To: From: "Phil Maley" Subject: RE: KR> Support for Vert Stab UpsideDown Message-ID: Hi guys Thanks for the link to Harold's roll-over system. Very useful! I can't find any reference to "tee tail" in the archives. Is this the first time it has been tried on a KR? Regards Phil Maley Perth Australia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 19:07:22 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Support for Vert Stab UpsideDown Message-Id: <3E45C5EA.000001.01216@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_A0U0QL80000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Harold's is the first and only one that I have ever seen.=0D =0D Hey Harold, why you been keepin a secret?=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Saturday, February 08, 2003 03:52:46 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: RE: KR> Support for Vert Stab UpsideDown=0D =0D Hi guys=0D =0D Thanks for the link to Harold's roll-over system. Very useful!=0D =0D I can't find any reference to "tee tail" in the archives. Is this the=0D first time it has been tried on a KR?=0D =0D Regards=0D Phil Maley=0D Perth Australia=0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_A0U0QL80000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:26:02 -0600 To: From: "Brian J Bland" Subject: T Tail KR Message-ID: I remember seeing something in the newsletter about a KR being built with a T tail. Does anyone remember this? I will try to find where I saw it. Brian J Bland Claremore, OK mailto:bruiser@dellepro.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 10/24/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 22:14:45 -0600 To: From: "kevin" Subject: Re: KR> T Tail KR Message-ID: <001101c2cff1$c80601a0$a3923841@hppav> I always thought the "T" tail was a bad idea. I learned to fly in a Piper Tomahawk. It was ok, but have you ever looked back at one in a full hard stall? That tail really flexes up and down. The "T" tailed Piper Arrows are worth less than the standard tails. You cannot raise the nose on a T tail as quickly as you can on a standard tail for times like short field takeoffs. This guys "T" isn't all the way to the top of the vertical stabilizer. I like the looks of his "T" tail and it seems he gave it a lot of thought. I wonder if he plans any external bracing? Kevin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian J Bland" To: Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 6:26 PM Subject: KR> T Tail KR > I remember seeing something in the newsletter about a KR being built with a > T tail. Does anyone remember this? I will try to find where I saw it. > > Brian J Bland > Claremore, OK > > mailto:bruiser@dellepro.com > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 10/24/2002 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 19:43:39 -0600 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Update Message-ID: <007d01c2cfdc$ab7ac620$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C2CFAA.60A4D3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Photo of The Week section on my web page has been updated again. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C2CFAA.60A4D3C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 20:22:18 -0600 To: From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Update Message-ID: <000b01c2cfe2$1234bd80$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> Mark, Almost every foam I have used to fill, that is a two part mix or out of a spray can dries with a hard crust that must be removed prior to sanding to shape. Have you had this same problem. If not, what brand of foam are you using and where is it available. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR-Net" Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 7:43 PM Subject: KR> Update Photo of The Week section on my web page has been updated again. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 20:34:35 -0600 To: From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Update Message-ID: <009a01c2cfe3$c8ddcc60$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Robert, What I use is a two part "Urethane Instafoam" from Wicks Aircraft Supply. They sell it in 4lb (part #INSTFM-1/2G $13), 8lb (INSTFM-1 $23) and 24lb (INSTFN-3 $60) kits. This is a 50-50 mixture and is 2lb density. Sands very easily. Be careful though...this stuff sticks to everything it touches. I have tried the spray foams...just don't work. The 2-part Urethane Instafoam is the only way to go. Page 22 of Wicks 2002 catalog. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Stone" To: Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:22 PM Subject: Re: KR> Update > Mark, > Almost every foam I have used to fill, that is a two part mix or out of > a spray can dries with a hard crust that must be removed prior to sanding to > shape. Have you had this same problem. If not, what brand of foam are you > using and where is it available. > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX > rstone4@hot.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "KR-Net" > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 7:43 PM > Subject: KR> Update > > > Photo of The Week section on my web page has been updated again. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 07:19:06 -0600 To: From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Update Message-ID: <000401c2d03d$d2f13200$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> Mark, Thanks much, I will take your advice and use the foam from Wicks. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:34 PM Subject: Re: KR> Update > Robert, > What I use is a two part "Urethane Instafoam" from Wicks Aircraft Supply. > They sell it in 4lb (part #INSTFM-1/2G $13), 8lb (INSTFM-1 $23) and 24lb > (INSTFN-3 $60) kits. This is a 50-50 mixture and is 2lb density. Sands very > easily. Be careful though...this stuff sticks to everything it touches. I > have tried the spray foams...just don't work. The 2-part Urethane Instafoam > is the only way to go. Page 22 of Wicks 2002 catalog. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Stone" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:22 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Update > > > > Mark, > > Almost every foam I have used to fill, that is a two part mix or out > of > > a spray can dries with a hard crust that must be removed prior to sanding > to > > shape. Have you had this same problem. If not, what brand of foam are > you > > using and where is it available. > > > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX > > rstone4@hot.rr.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Jones" > > To: "KR-Net" > > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 7:43 PM > > Subject: KR> Update > > > > > > Photo of The Week section on my web page has been updated again. > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 18:37:28 -0800 To: From: "Steve Glover" Subject: Final Sign Off Message-ID: <003b01c2cfe4$306a9660$c18afea9@IntelliSpec> ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C2CFA1.221EBFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Netter's, My KR was signed off for first flight today. Only minor squaks (sp) for = cotter key or loose jamb nuts. I took it out on the runway for some = high speed taxi tests with the tail up and it seemed to be fairly stable = until power was pulled off. Then it was a little interesting. = Fortunetely I changed to the Cleveland brakes. They make a HUGE = difference. I am anticipating first flights either this week or next. Can anyone tell me what their CHT is running on the ground or during = power run ups? It seems mine is a bit high at 350 - 400 and climbing. = Any ideas or input would be appreciated. Regards, Steve Glover Rancho Santa Margarita, Ca. n925sg@earthlink.net ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C2CFA1.221EBFC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:58:13 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Sutstoy@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Final Sign Off Message-ID: --part1_d.97a2326.2b771dc5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Steve, Congrats on the sign off. Aloha Joe :>}) --part1_d.97a2326.2b771dc5_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 07:38:55 -0500 To: From: "David Clinthonre" Subject: Re: KR> Final Sign Off Message-ID: <001701c2d038$3605f020$8c2a4144@frbgva.adelphia.net> Steve, Good for you. Good speed and happy landings. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Glover" To: Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 9:37 PM Subject: KR> Final Sign Off Hi Netter's, My KR was signed off for first flight today. Only minor squaks (sp) for cotter key or loose jamb nuts. I took it out on the runway for some high speed taxi tests with the tail up and it seemed to be fairly stable until power was pulled off. Then it was a little interesting. Fortunetely I changed to the Cleveland brakes. They make a HUGE difference. I am anticipating first flights either this week or next. Can anyone tell me what their CHT is running on the ground or during power run ups? It seems mine is a bit high at 350 - 400 and climbing. Any ideas or input would be appreciated. Regards, Steve Glover Rancho Santa Margarita, Ca. n925sg@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 20:38:24 -0600 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Strobes Message-ID: <00a301c2cfe4$51be14e0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C2CFB2.06E08160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Strobe Heads. Here is a deal on a complete set up. Check it out. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D395&item=3D32053= 40916 Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C2CFB2.06E08160-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 19:46:14 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org, KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR> scarf joints Message-Id: <2XGFZTQO6372WV6Z06KEVUEDRJFC72W.3e45cf06@cx239334-a> Hi Gang... In the 1940's the adhesives available were not as cool as those we have today... sanding clogs the pores in the wood and made it difficult to get a good bond. I'm not sure if the new adheasives completely solve this, but consider that cotton flock & epoxy make a structural filler, and flock is sort of like sawdust. -- Ross 2/4/2003 5:43:19 PM, "Chris Giesel" wrote: > >Hi Gang, > >I was in Alaska last year and visited the bush pilot museum located near the >Anchorage airport. This is one of the most interesting museums I have been >in. It has a collection of wrecked bush planes--many of historical >significance--that have been, or are in the process of being, restored. > >This brings me to my point. We met the guy who was in charge of restoring >these birds and got on the subject of scarf (ph?) joints. He stated that >wehn he was training for a&p cert. in the 1940's THE SANDING OF SCARF JOINTS >WAS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN. > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > Ross Youngblood http://N541RY.com mailto:rossy65@attbi.com (Home) mailto:ross_youngblood@credence.com (Work) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 23:25:49 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@aol.com Subject: Kenneth L Wiltrout sharp kr2s Message-ID: <3d.2baebd24.2b77324d@aol.com> --part1_3d.2baebd24.2b77324d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ken i met you at the VA fly in i was flying the kr2 do you have photos of your aircraft you shued post them you have a beautiful kr2s and a sure trophy winner all i can find is what don read posted for the fly in --part1_3d.2baebd24.2b77324d_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:17:05 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: william walsh Subject: kr flight training( need help.) Message-ID: <20030209051705.37124.qmail@web41509.mail.yahoo.com> I bought a kr2 and would like someone in the wa. state area that know this type a/c to give me some training. these a/c are limited to weight this one is 180lb pilot, 150 passenger with 2hrs fuel. i am about 150lb and it's hard to fined someone that is about the same weight. that is why i am still waiting. not to sure about this small thing one my own yet. a/c has seen the air a lot about 850hrs tt 130hrs smoh on 2100revmaster. if this sounds like something that you can help me with please reply to this add and help a fellow kr fan learn to fly kr. thanks for your help. william walsh. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 06:03:13 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> kr flight training( need help.) Message-Id: <3E465FA1.000008.01216@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_DDO1RN00000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you cannot find someone, you might consider RV school. I believe ther= e is one in Seattle. A chapter member finished her RV last year and spent = a week in RV school somewhere in Washington.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Saturday, February 08, 2003 09:17:39 PM=0D To: krnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> kr flight training( need help.)=0D =0D I bought a kr2 and would like someone=0D in the wa. state area that know this type a/c=0D to give me some training. these a/c are limited to=0D weight this one is 180lb pilot, 150 passenger with=0D 2hrs fuel. i am about 150lb and it's hard to fined=0D someone that is about the same weight. that is why=0D i am still waiting. not to sure about this small=0D thing one my own yet. a/c has seen the air a lot about=0D 850hrs tt 130hrs smoh on 2100revmaster. if this sounds=0D like something that you can help me with please reply=0D to this add and help a fellow kr fan learn to fly kr.=0D =0D thanks for your help.=0D william walsh.=0D =0D __________________________________________________=0D Do you Yahoo!?=0D Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.=0D http://mailplus.yahoo.com=0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_DDO1RN00000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 00:20:27 -0500 To: From: "bill kirkland" Subject: Re: KR> Tips and tricks Message-ID: <005501c2cffa$f81e3ca0$eb942a18@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Justin; I did mine on the table saw using an adjustable bevel angle, the mitre and the tilt. Still have lots left over with backward angles :) W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin" To: Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: KR> Tips and tricks > They say to never sand a scarf joint because it makes for a weaker > joint. I never sand mine but my question is about making gussets. I use > a 5" sanding disk to shape them. Is there any better way? > > Justin > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 00:30:42 -0500 To: , From: "bill kirkland" Subject: Re: KR> Lights, Strobes and CLEVER shortcuts Message-ID: <009701c2cffc$63abb1e0$eb942a18@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Au contraire Serge, tu a raison. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serge Vidal" To: Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:27 AM Subject: RE: KR> Lights, Strobes and CLEVER shortcuts > One thing to understand: "Certified" means "Expensive", but "Certified" does > not always mean "Good". More exactly, most of the time, what is now > certified was state of the art technology...50 years ago, when it was > designed! > > I am not impressed at all by the candlepower of the 50 years old strobes > fitted in the Cessnas and Pipers at my local airfield. And from a few tests > I did, I can tell you that my $13 homebuilt strobe compares favourably with > them in terms of candlepower. Also, the reliability of my unit is probably > 100 times better. Why is that? Because I use 1990es technology, instead of > 1940es technology. Vacuum in tubes manufacturing has improved since, and > electronic components are better, smaller, cheaper, more reliable. > > This is the same reason why I use dual electronic ignition instead of > magnetos: if cars have stopped using them since 1930, well, there must be > some reasons. > > Look at a current general aviation production aircraft. It is full of fully > certified items, that would never find their way in a car, for lack of > performance or safety. You end up paying $ 150 000 plus, for a vehicle that > does not have reel seat belts, let alone airbags, does not have ABS brakes, > nor tinted, shatterproof windows, has a landing light that lasts 50 hours... > the list is endless. > > After all we build KR2s to get performance and value for money that the > "certified" birds can only dream of! > > Right, time to dig a trench quickly! > > Serge Vidal > KR2 ZS-WEC > Johannesburg, South Africa > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AviationMech@aol.com [mailto:AviationMech@aol.com] > Sent: 06 February 2003 16:21 > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> Lights, Strobes and cheap shortcuts > > > . The financially inviting thought of a strobe light for 13 dollars is real > tempting. I urge you to consider this first. Knowing in most cases that we > are building Experimental day VFR craft, that don't require lights, why > bother to spend lots of bucks for an approved lighting system. Have you > ever > driven up on the back of bicycle that had the little flasher strobes on the > rear finder, and then had the thought that you were glad you didn't hit the > bike. Well on some of our "VFR" days, it can be so hazy that you can't > really see. What if your slick KR, cruising at 150KTS was heading for a > Piper Arrow doing 130 KTS, or a closing speed of 280 kts and all you have to > let that guy see you is a 13$ dim strobe from the Shack. I'll bet you'll > wish you had paid as little as $150 to get a real strobe with acceptable > candlepower in the flash. If you're going to put lights on the bird, get > real. > The KR is hard to see because it is little, and when it is seen, most > controllers and pilots think it is far away, because of its little size. > They always underestimate its speed. I say see and be seen. > > Aviationmech > KR-2 N110LR > 1984 to present > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 01:07:02 -0600 To: From: "The Fishe Family" Subject: Re scarf joints Message-ID: <005201c2d009$d9e5e300$ba38f8d8@k6z3j0> ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C2CFD7.8DFBC180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rasps? Jim Fishe, jffishe@cafes.net Manchester,Tn ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C2CFD7.8DFBC180-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 05:59:10 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Re scarf joints Message-Id: <3E465EAE.000006.01216@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_M6O112S0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I have held off as long as I can. Why scarf joints at all? With today;s glues, you should be able to put a good butt joint on a slightly wider stringer and have a solid joint. =0D =0D I once had to do a repair to the Little Beast. It was impossible for me = to scarf the part on the plane, and I thought, probably impossible for me to make a good, and I emphasize "good" scarf joint anyway. So I slipped in = a stringer so I could put glue on 3 sides, instead of just one.=0D =0D Maybe the problem with this method, is that it would be too simple and we could not call ourselves "craftsmen" anymore?=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Saturday, February 08, 2003 11:00:49 PM=0D To: krnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> Re scarf joints=0D =0D Rasps?=0D Jim Fishe, jffishe@cafes.net Manchester,Tn --------------Boundary-00=_M6O112S0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 04:25:47 -0500 (EST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Kevin Subject: Re: Re: KR> Re scarf joints Message-ID: <7070906.1044793548224.JavaMail.nobody@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Woa............ That is getting way out there for this group. I like that last name. Kevin. -------Original Message------- From: Dan Heath Sent: 02/09/03 08:59 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Re scarf joints > > Well, I have held off as long as I can. Why scarf joints at all? With today;s glues, you should be able to put a good butt joint on a slightly wider stringer and have a solid joint. I once had to do a repair to the Little Beast. It was impossible for me to scarf the part on the plane, and I thought, probably impossible for me to make a good, and I emphasize "good" scarf joint anyway. So I slipped in a stringer so I could put glue on 3 sides, instead of just one. Maybe the problem with this method, is that it would be too simple and we could not call ourselves "craftsmen" anymore? N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Red Oak - 2003 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org -------Original Message------- From: KRnet@mailinglists.org Date: Saturday, February 08, 2003 11:00:49 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Re scarf joints Rasps? Jim Fishe, jffishe@cafes.net Manchester,Tn > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:16:31 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Sutstoy@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Re scarf joints Message-ID: <19d.10b0a2d2.2b77aeaf@aol.com> --part1_19d.10b0a2d2.2b77aeaf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What Dan, NOT follow the mantra, ah?, plans, sacrilege. Actually I have been wondering when someone would bring this up. Aloha Joe :>}) --part1_19d.10b0a2d2.2b77aeaf_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 05:29:52 -0600 To: From: "Richard Green" Subject: RE: KR> a long x/c with about 5 cups of coffee Message-ID: <001d01c2d02e$90cc8230$fee89840@greenhome2a1> Some of the Aero Commander twins have a pilot relief tube installed under the pilots seat that ports out under the the plane. It can really come in handy on long flights. Sounds like some of you might need to consider adding that convenience to your KRs. -----Original Message----- From: william walsh [mailto:billyboywalsh@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 11:43 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> LED nav lights that was gooooood. that sounds just about what happend to me on a long x/c out a few hundred miles from the nearest airport with about 5 cups of coffee. the bad thing about that was i only had one cup in the plane and my freinds did't bring any soap for the shower. thanks now i don't feel so bad. i am not so sure my friends have got over it yet. i tell them that i won't drink any thing before we fly any more. but they still don't trust me. thanks again william --- Leigh Plymale wrote: > Thanks Oscar I had a bad day Friday and reading this > was the lift I needed > :-} > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Oscar Zuniga" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 8:50 AM > Subject: KR> LED nav lights > > > > Has anyone on the list experimented with LEDs for > nav lights? All the new > > cars seem to have 'em instead of filament type > bulbs, and the obvious > > advantages are extremely long life (maybe could > even be sealed in rather > > than have to be accessible) and low power draw. > > > > And, since it's Friday, here's something from a > Piet list member, > regarding > > avoiding intermediate stops on x-c flights: > > > > >Remind me to tell you sometime of when I was 17 > on a solo > > >cross country (after drinking a half-gallon of > root beer > > >on a hot day while pre-flighting). In my infinite > wisdom, I > > >decided to try and pee out the side window of a > 172. > > > > > >The radios did work after they dried out...... > > > > Oscar Zuniga > > San Antonio, TX > > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months > FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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