From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 11 Feb 2003 01:04:16 -0000 Issue 629 Date: Monday, February 10, 2003 5:05 PM krnet Digest 11 Feb 2003 01:04:16 -0000 Issue 629 Topics (messages 15067 through 15089): Re: Re scarf joints 15067 by: Dan Heath 15068 by: Edwin Blocher 15070 by: Dan Heath Re: Bladder control, Flying KRs with 'relief tubes', etc. 15069 by: AviationMech.aol.com 15071 by: manrj.att.net Re: LED nav lights 15072 by: emiglesias.cpenet.com.ar 15073 by: Mark Jones "Relief Tube" Delete if you're squeamish 15074 by: Frank Ross 15076 by: Fran Giroux 15078 by: Frank Ross 15083 by: wstarrs Re: KR2M "T"tail 15075 by: Philip Maley Re: kr flight training( need help.) 15077 by: william walsh 15079 by: Dan Heath 15080 by: Dana Overall 15081 by: Flymaca711689.aol.com 15082 by: Ron Lee 15084 by: Frank Ross 15088 by: Dan Heath 15089 by: Dan Heath Re: T Tail KR 15085 by: Frank Dungan 15086 by: Anthony Underwood Epoxy and T88 15087 by: Robert7721.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:01:37 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Re scarf joints Message-Id: <3E470801.000003.01216@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_PML2G6G0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought that when we discussed this about a year ago, that someone rela= yed some information about the fact that it could be an acceptable practice, = but I would not swear to it.=0D =0D If I ever built one of these from scratch, which is doubtful, I would mak= e butt joints and plywood gussetts and never give it a second thought excep= t that how much easier it was.=0D =0D The reason for this is that I know my skill level with such things and I really think that for me, and possibly, only me, I would get better joint= s.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Sunday, February 09, 2003 05:17:05 AM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: KR> Re scarf joints=0D =0D What Dan,=0D NOT follow the mantra, ah?, plans, sacrilege.=0D =0D Actually I have been wondering when someone would bring this up.=0D =0D Aloha=0D Joe :>}) --------------Boundary-00=_PML2G6G0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 17:38:09 -0600 To: From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> Re scarf joints Message-ID: <009201c2d094$4e254dc0$0201a8c0@computer> Dan, I wish sanding foam was as easy as sanding my scarf joints. I will respectfuly dissagree with you about the butts and gussets. I love my scarfs. :-) Ed Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL eblocher@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 8:01 PM Subject: Re: KR> Re scarf joints I thought that when we discussed this about a year ago, that someone relayed some information about the fact that it could be an acceptable practice, but I would not swear to it. If I ever built one of these from scratch, which is doubtful, I would make butt joints and plywood gussetts and never give it a second thought except that how much easier it was. The reason for this is that I know my skill level with such things and I really think that for me, and possibly, only me, I would get better joints. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Red Oak - 2003 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org -------Original Message------- From: KRnet@mailinglists.org Date: Sunday, February 09, 2003 05:17:05 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Re scarf joints What Dan, NOT follow the mantra, ah?, plans, sacrilege. Actually I have been wondering when someone would bring this up. Aloha Joe :>}) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:35:06 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Re scarf joints Message-Id: <3E471DEA.000001.01216@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_IYP2QL80000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed,=0D =0D Your a good man and I am sure I would envy your scarfs. =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Sunday, February 09, 2003 03:44:51 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: KR> Re scarf joints=0D =0D Dan,=0D I wish sanding foam was as easy as sanding my scarf joints. I will=0D respectfuly dissagree with you about the butts and gussets. I love my=0D scarfs.=0D :-) Ed=0D Ed Blocher=0D Santa Rosa Beach, FL=0D eblocher@earthlink.net=0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: "Dan Heath" =0D To: =0D Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 8:01 PM=0D Subject: Re: KR> Re scarf joints=0D =0D =0D I thought that when we discussed this about a year ago, that someone rela= yed=0D some information about the fact that it could be an acceptable practice, = but=0D I would not swear to it.=0D =0D If I ever built one of these from scratch, which is doubtful, I would mak= e=0D butt joints and plywood gussetts and never give it a second thought excep= t=0D that how much easier it was.=0D =0D The reason for this is that I know my skill level with such things and I=0D really think that for me, and possibly, only me, I would get better joint= s.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Sunday, February 09, 2003 05:17:05 AM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: KR> Re scarf joints=0D =0D What Dan,=0D NOT follow the mantra, ah?, plans, sacrilege.=0D =0D Actually I have been wondering when someone would bring this up.=0D =0D Aloha=0D Joe :>})=0D =0D =0D -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---=0D ----=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_IYP2QL80000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:55:12 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Bladder control, Flying KRs with 'relief tubes', etc. Message-ID: --part1_f4.28e18558.2b784460_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/2003 3:15:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, alamokr2@yahoo.com writes: > KR flying AND operate a > 'relief tube' too. > The new large top juice bottles work well AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech --part1_f4.28e18558.2b784460_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 01:01:48 +0000 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: manrj@att.net Subject: Re: KR> Bladder control, Flying KRs with 'relief tubes', etc. You might want to check the archives on this one. Seems that a year or more ago someone posted one about "wizzin uphill." As I recall he had something like the wife's turkey basting syringe....vaccuum formed.... I still laugh when ever I think about it. Bob M Abilene, TX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:17:12 -0000 To: From: Subject: Re: KR> LED nav lights Message-ID: <000301c092e7$245ab940$6ebc3fc8@Iglesias> Mark You can enlarge the angle with lenses and maybe it works. Regards Eduardo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 3:12 PM Subject: Re: KR> LED nav lights > OZ wrote: > > > Has anyone on the list experimented with LEDs for nav lights? All the new > > cars seem to have 'em instead of filament type bulbs, and the obvious > > advantages are extremely long life (maybe could even be sealed in rather > > than have to be accessible) and low power draw. > > I gave this a long hard look about three years ago. Ultra-bright LEDs look > very attractive and have a low current draw, but the killer is that they are > highly directional, something like 15 degrees. That works fine for cars > (where the thing they are warning is directly behind, and at the same level) > or traffic lights (they actually prefer directionality to keep the crossing > lanes from knowing when the light's about to turn red), but it doesn't get > it on an airplane. > > When you consider that you're supposed to have very wide angle visibility (I > forget the exact number) for nav lights, you'd have to have something that > looks like a porcupine or a tennis ball full of LEDs to get that job done, > and now you're current draw is up to the level of a regular whelen bulb! > Actually, my original intension was to imbed them along the wingtip in an > arc, but that still doesn't address above and below the plane. I gave up on > it, but it probably won't be long before wider angle versions are available. > Maybe there are some out there already. If so, I'll give them another look. > I actually bought and tested about 10 different ultra-bright LEDs, and have > engineering data from them (these came from England, the brightest and > widest at the time), but they just didn't measure up in my mind... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:45:43 -0600 To: From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> LED nav lights Message-ID: <00cd01c2d0a6$1fe8e360$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Here is my 2 cents.... I have checked out my LED lights in total darkness...they are blinding if looked directly at....from 30 degrees they are extremely bright.....60 degrees, you can still see them. Using a light diffusing lens would make these superb lights. The LED's I am using are 1157 Altezza style. These have 19 LED's in them. I have red, white and green. I also intend on finding a suitable diffusing lens to work with these. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 5:17 PM Subject: Re: KR> LED nav lights > Mark > > You can enlarge the angle with lenses and maybe it works. > Regards > Eduardo > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 3:12 PM > Subject: Re: KR> LED nav lights > > > > OZ wrote: > > > > > Has anyone on the list experimented with LEDs for nav lights? All the > new > > > cars seem to have 'em instead of filament type bulbs, and the obvious > > > advantages are extremely long life (maybe could even be sealed in rather > > > than have to be accessible) and low power draw. > > > > I gave this a long hard look about three years ago. Ultra-bright LEDs > look > > very attractive and have a low current draw, but the killer is that they > are > > highly directional, something like 15 degrees. That works fine for cars > > (where the thing they are warning is directly behind, and at the same > level) > > or traffic lights (they actually prefer directionality to keep the > crossing > > lanes from knowing when the light's about to turn red), but it doesn't get > > it on an airplane. > > > > When you consider that you're supposed to have very wide angle visibility > (I > > forget the exact number) for nav lights, you'd have to have something that > > looks like a porcupine or a tennis ball full of LEDs to get that job done, > > and now you're current draw is up to the level of a regular whelen bulb! > > Actually, my original intension was to imbed them along the wingtip in an > > arc, but that still doesn't address above and below the plane. I gave up > on > > it, but it probably won't be long before wider angle versions are > available. > > Maybe there are some out there already. If so, I'll give them another > look. > > I actually bought and tested about 10 different ultra-bright LEDs, and > have > > engineering data from them (these came from England, the brightest and > > widest at the time), but they just didn't measure up in my mind... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > --- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:06:15 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: "Relief Tube" Delete if you're squeamish Message-ID: <20030210020615.53320.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com> --- norm-ruth wrote: > What is blazes is a Texas condom catheter. > Norm > > > If you would use a Texas condom catheter, you > would not have to land. Old > > glider pilot trick for long flights. > > > > Richard Cowles > > richardcowles@knology.net Norm, Only because you ask... You may be familiar with a regular urinary catheter used in hospitals which is a latex tube inserted into the bladder and connected to a bag below the bed to empty your bladder when you can't, as when you are unconscious or something. A 'Condum' catheter is a catheter that fits on the outside rather than being inserted inside the urethra. It has a larger, condum-like part to accept the appropriate body part and that narrows down into a smaller plastic tube that goes down to a plastic bag connected to the lower leg which collects the waste body fluid. Usually used by older gents who have lost control. Or glider pilots. The 'Texas' part is probably a reference to the larger size which some find easier to use, others just need for an ego boost. Aren't you glad you asked? Some discipline on pre-flight caffiene intake would probably be a lot easier. Frank Ross San Antonio, TX __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:46:20 -0500 To: From: "Fran Giroux" Subject: Re: KR> "Relief Tube" Delete if you're squeamish Message-ID: <005b01c2d0ae$981e3a80$1002a8c0@franshp> Where can we get these? Fran ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ross" To: Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 9:06 PM Subject: KR> "Relief Tube" Delete if you're squeamish > --- norm-ruth wrote: > > What is blazes is a Texas condom catheter. > > Norm > > > > > If you would use a Texas condom catheter, you > > would not have to land. Old > > > glider pilot trick for long flights. > > > > > > Richard Cowles > > > richardcowles@knology.net > > > Norm, > Only because you ask... > You may be familiar with a regular urinary catheter > used in hospitals which is a latex tube inserted into > the bladder and connected to a bag below the bed to > empty your bladder when you can't, as when you are > unconscious or something. > A 'Condum' catheter is a catheter that fits on the > outside rather than being inserted inside the urethra. > It has a larger, condum-like part to accept the > appropriate body part and that narrows down into a > smaller plastic tube that goes down to a plastic bag > connected to the lower leg which collects the waste > body fluid. Usually used by older gents who have lost > control. > Or glider pilots. > The 'Texas' part is probably a reference to the larger > size which some find easier to use, others just need > for an ego boost. > Aren't you glad you asked? > Some discipline on pre-flight caffiene intake would > probably be a lot easier. > Frank Ross San Antonio, TX > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:39:20 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> "Relief Tube" Delete if you're squeamish Message-ID: <20030210043920.66053.qmail@web40907.mail.yahoo.com> Ask for "Condum catheters" at your local drug store or medical supply store. FR in SA --- Fran Giroux wrote: > Where can we get these? > > Fran __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:24:40 -0700 To: From: "wstarrs" Subject: Re: KR> "Relief Tube" Delete if you're squeamish Message-ID: <002401c2d110$266f3760$9200a8c0@bstarrs> Rail Road Rail Road engineers used these way back when ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran Giroux" To: Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 7:46 PM Subject: Re: KR> "Relief Tube" Delete if you're squeamish > Where can we get these? > > Fran > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Ross" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 9:06 PM > Subject: KR> "Relief Tube" Delete if you're squeamish > > > > --- norm-ruth wrote: > > > What is blazes is a Texas condom catheter. > > > Norm > > > > > > > If you would use a Texas condom catheter, you > > > would not have to land. Old > > > > glider pilot trick for long flights. > > > > > > > > Richard Cowles > > > > richardcowles@knology.net > > > > > > Norm, > > Only because you ask... > > You may be familiar with a regular urinary catheter > > used in hospitals which is a latex tube inserted into > > the bladder and connected to a bag below the bed to > > empty your bladder when you can't, as when you are > > unconscious or something. > > A 'Condum' catheter is a catheter that fits on the > > outside rather than being inserted inside the urethra. > > It has a larger, condum-like part to accept the > > appropriate body part and that narrows down into a > > smaller plastic tube that goes down to a plastic bag > > connected to the lower leg which collects the waste > > body fluid. Usually used by older gents who have lost > > control. > > Or glider pilots. > > The 'Texas' part is probably a reference to the larger > > size which some find easier to use, others just need > > for an ego boost. > > Aren't you glad you asked? > > Some discipline on pre-flight caffiene intake would > > probably be a lot easier. > > Frank Ross San Antonio, TX > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:41:28 +0800 To: "KRnet" From: "Philip Maley" Subject: RE: KR2M "T"tail Message-ID: Hi Harold I tried sending this direct but your mailbox is full. Thank you for the personal message and your explanation of the T-tail. I hope it flies as good as it looks. I do a bit of flying in a Tomahawk and really enjoy it, but I guess I enjoy flying anything that can getr airborne. I've wondered about spoilers for a while. They obviously do a great job of reducing the lift/drag ratio and getting you down faster. But we still need to generate the same total lift (= weight of the aircraft). Given a fixed stall angle of attack this can only be achieved by flying faster, meaning a higher stall speed. Seems like a difficult trade-off. I will probably go for the belly-board on mine. Kind regards Phil Maley -----Original Message----- From: harold woods [mailto:okbridge@rogers.com] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 12:43 AM To: Phil Maley Subject: Fw: KR2M "T"tail Phil. This is a copy of a reply to Dan regarding the T tail on my KR2M Subject: Re: KR2M "T"tail > To Dan Heath. > If anyone has time on a glider they will realize the benefits of spoilers > over flaps for glide slope control.A KR builder in England put spoilers on > his KR. He reported buffeting and interference when deployed. They worked > well but he did not like the interference found on the elevater. > I decided that I wanted the spoilers so I decided to raise the elevater up. > The vertical stabilizer is designed as a box spar, covered with 1/8" > aircraft 5 ply birch plywood. > The elevater is actuated with a push/pull tube, going up the vertical > stabilizer spar. The control stick is connected by cables to the horn which > connects to the push/pull tube. A weight has been added here to balance the > elevater. > It is overdesigned and very strong. (and overly heavy). > I had intended to install a belly board for air brakes but I think that I > will wait and see how well the spoilers work first. > Harold Woods > Orillia,ON. > Canada. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/03 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:14:34 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: william walsh Subject: Re: KR> kr flight training( need help.) Message-ID: <20030210041434.90670.qmail@web41504.mail.yahoo.com> thanks for that info william --- Ron Lee wrote: > Here is the link for one RV school. > > http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/trainfly.htm > > Ron Lee > > Made hotel reservation for Red Oak! > > > At 06:03 AM 2/9/03 -0800, you wrote: > >If you cannot find someone, you might consider RV > school. I believe there > >is one in Seattle. A chapter member finished her > RV last year and spent a > >week in RV school somewhere in Washington. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:50:57 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> kr flight training( need help.) Message-Id: <3E47AE41.000006.01216@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_XGI312S0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I read the information on the RV Training web site and I was quite dissappointed. It would appear that in order to get the training, you ha= ve to not need the training. If it is what it reads to be, it is no more th= an a "get familiar with a RV" kind of school and with 3 RV's in my back yard= , I could get that right here.=0D =0D The government set this up for safety, but they have put so many restrictions on it that you can actually get better training for a KR, by going to a gathering.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Sunday, February 09, 2003 08:15:08 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: KR> kr flight training( need help.)=0D =0D thanks for that info =0D william=0D --- Ron Lee wrote:=0D > Here is the link for one RV school.=0D > =0D > http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/trainfly.htm=0D > =0D > Ron Lee=0D > =0D > Made hotel reservation for Red Oak!=0D > =0D > =0D > At 06:03 AM 2/9/03 -0800, you wrote:=0D > >If you cannot find someone, you might consider RV=0D > school. I believe there=0D > >is one in Seattle. A chapter member finished her=0D > RV last year and spent a=0D > >week in RV school somewhere in Washington.=0D > =0D > =0D >=0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org ,=0D > NOT "reply all"=0D > =0D > To UNsubscribe, e-mail:=0D > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D > For additional commands, e-mail:=0D > krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D > =0D > See the KRNet archives at=0D > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D > =0D =0D =0D __________________________________________________=0D Do you Yahoo!?=0D Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.=0D http://mailplus.yahoo.com=0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_XGI312S0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 06:49:30 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> kr flight training( need help.) Message-ID: What Van's has doon with the RV training is allow a person who has completed, or nearing completion on an RV, to sch. time with Mike in a 6 or 6A to get your transition training so that you feel comfortable to test fly your own. It is not flight training, it is RV familiarity. Dan, once again I'm not arguing, but a simple ride in a KR at the gathering probably will not be enough stick time for one to feel comfortable in the KR. Look again at the RV website and see just what Mike puts you through. I have flown with Mike and he is as tough of an instructor as you will find. He allows NO deviations from standards. He is tough and when you leave you know the flight characteristics of the RV. The Government did not set this program up. In conjuction with the Vangaurd insurance program, this training allows you to be insured from the get go. Sorry, I didn't mean for this to be this long:-) Dana Overall Richmond, KY http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: "Dan Heath" >Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >To: >Subject: Re: KR> kr flight training( need help.) >Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:50:57 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) > >Well, I read the information on the RV Training web site and I was quite >dissappointed. It would appear that in order to get the training, you have >to not need the training. If it is what it reads to be, it is no more than >a "get familiar with a RV" kind of school and with 3 RV's in my back yard, >I >could get that right here. > >The government set this up for safety, but they have put so many >restrictions on it that you can actually get better training for a KR, by >going to a gathering. > >N64KR > >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > >DanRH@KR-Builder.org > >See you in Red Oak - 2003 > >See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic >See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > >-------Original Message------- > >From: KRnet@mailinglists.org >Date: Sunday, February 09, 2003 08:15:08 PM >To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: Re: KR> kr flight training( need help.) > >thanks for that info >william >--- Ron Lee wrote: > > Here is the link for one RV school. > > > > http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/trainfly.htm > > > > Ron Lee > > > > Made hotel reservation for Red Oak! > > > > > > At 06:03 AM 2/9/03 -0800, you wrote: > > >If you cannot find someone, you might consider RV > > school. I believe there > > >is one in Seattle. A chapter member finished her > > RV last year and spent a > > >week in RV school somewhere in Washington. > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > > NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > >. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:53:20 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> kr flight training( need help.) Message-ID: <123.1dfbc5b0.2b78fac0@aol.com> --part1_123.1dfbc5b0.2b78fac0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We need to set up chapters in deferent states to help newbies with test flying all say it no magic needed to fly a Kr you need light aircraft formulation pulsar rans s10 possible some microlight time. Mark langford and others on the net have all the information need for test flying we have many pilots that can over see we don't need to send are own a way to RV school most don't have RV money! . here in the Washington DC area VA, MD, NC we have lot of builders and flyers most are on the net all will help mac --part1_123.1dfbc5b0.2b78fac0_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:21:33 -0700 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR> kr flight training( need help.) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030210071740.00a13010@127.0.0.1> Sounds like you have a chance to get familiar with a responsive aircraft at home then. As I see it, Cessna drivers need adequate time in a responsive aircraft before they fly a KR. Whether a RV is close enough I do not know (anyone want to exchange co-pilot flight time to assess that?). I am not an instructor and I cannot substitute for a formal training school but if stick time in an RV helps someone transition to a KR where is the problem? Ron Lee At 05:50 AM 2/10/03 -0800, you wrote: >Well, I read the information on the RV Training web site and I was quite >dissappointed. It would appear that in order to get the training, you have >to not need the training. If it is what it reads to be, it is no more than >a "get familiar with a RV" kind of school and with 3 RV's in my back yard, I >could get that right here. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 06:33:56 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> kr flight training( need help.) Message-ID: <20030210143356.87270.qmail@web40908.mail.yahoo.com> Ron, Others, Flying an RV will not help you with a KR. An RV flies nothing like a KR. At the last Gathering Marty Roberts was kind enough to give me a good ride in his 0-200 powered KR-2. I was very careful not to move my hand when he released his hand from on top of mine on the stick. Plane went sharply nose up. I was very careful to just barely nudge the stick forward. Lots of dirt in the windscreen. Marty put his hand on top of the stick and it leveled out real nice. God only knows how. I never felt it move. I never could get it to fly straight and level. I have flown (NOT landed or t/o, I'm not taildragger qualified) an RV-4 and it was easy. Responsive but easy. I have about 150 hours in 152s and 172s. Don't know if I'll live long enough to learn to fly a KR. I'm 62. I'd want some serious stick time in something REAL sensitive before I got into a KR for the first time by myself. Wonder how Ken Rand did it? Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX --- Ron Lee wrote: > Sounds like you have a chance to get familiar with a > responsive aircraft > at home then. As I see it, Cessna drivers need > adequate time in a > responsive aircraft before they fly a KR. Whether a > RV is close enough > I do not know (anyone want to exchange co-pilot > flight time to assess that?). > > I am not an instructor and I cannot substitute for a > formal training school > but if stick time in an RV helps someone transition > to a KR where is the > problem? > > Ron Lee __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:02:39 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> kr flight training( need help.) Message-Id: <3E4875DF.000001.01272@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_FWL4QL80000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know how Ken did it, but when the time came, I got in and went.=20 There were a lot of surprises in store for me, and I am not recommending this approach, but after a while, I got used to it and the plane was neve= r hard to fly after that.=0D =0D I started on mine when it was a retract and broke that and subsequent retract installations 3 times. When I put on a good tail wheel, a fixed gear, and real wheels and brakes, I had very little problem after that.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Monday, February 10, 2003 06:34:29 AM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: KR> kr flight training( need help.)=0D =0D Ron, Others,=0D Flying an RV will not help you with a KR.=0D An RV flies nothing like a KR.=0D At the last Gathering Marty Roberts was kind enough to=0D give me a good ride in his 0-200 powered KR-2. I was=0D very careful not to move my hand when he released his=0D hand from on top of mine on the stick. Plane went=0D sharply nose up. I was very careful to just barely=0D nudge the stick forward. Lots of dirt in the=0D windscreen. Marty put his hand on top of the stick and=0D it leveled out real nice. God only knows how. I never=0D felt it move. =0D I never could get it to fly straight and level. =0D I have flown (NOT landed or t/o, I'm not taildragger=0D qualified) an RV-4 and it was easy. Responsive but=0D easy.=0D I have about 150 hours in 152s and 172s. Don't know if=0D I'll live long enough to learn to fly a KR. I'm 62.=0D I'd want some serious stick time in something REAL=0D sensitive before I got into a KR for the first time by=0D myself.=0D Wonder how Ken Rand did it? =0D Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX=0D --- Ron Lee wrote:=0D > Sounds like you have a chance to get familiar with a=0D > responsive aircraft=0D > at home then. As I see it, Cessna drivers need=0D > adequate time in a=0D > responsive aircraft before they fly a KR. Whether a=0D > RV is close enough=0D > I do not know (anyone want to exchange co-pilot=0D > flight time to assess that?).=0D > =0D > I am not an instructor and I cannot substitute for a=0D > formal training school=0D > but if stick time in an RV helps someone transition=0D > to a KR where is the=0D > problem?=0D > =0D > Ron Lee=0D =0D =0D __________________________________________________=0D Do you Yahoo!?=0D Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.=0D http://mailplus.yahoo.com=0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_FWL4QL80000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:09:13 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> kr flight training( need help.) Message-Id: <3E487769.000003.01272@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_D7M4G6G0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dana,=0D =0D I certainly do not disagree and wouldn't it be great if our KR people had the same advantage. Our EAA member who finished her RV went, came back a= nd flew. I think it is great.=0D =0D However, read the requirements for acceptance to this school. First off, you must be transitioning to an RV. Second, you must practically be an expert pilot with Tailwheel time if you are going for RV tailwheel.=0D =0D Sounds pretty tough just to get in. =0D =0D You are correct, a ride is not stick time, but it might give you an idea = of what you will have to face when the time comes.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Monday, February 10, 2003 04:01:11 AM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: KR> kr flight training( need help.)=0D =0D What Van's has doon with the RV training is allow a person who has =0D completed, or nearing completion on an RV, to sch. time with Mike in a 6 = or =0D 6A to get your transition training so that you feel comfortable to test f= ly =0D your own. It is not flight training, it is RV familiarity. Dan, once agai= n =0D I'm not arguing, but a simple ride in a KR at the gathering probably will= =0D not be enough stick time for one to feel comfortable in the KR. Look agai= n =0D at the RV website and see just what Mike puts you through. I have flown =0D with Mike and he is as tough of an instructor as you will find. He allows= =0D NO deviations from standards. He is tough and when you leave you know the= =0D flight characteristics of the RV.=0D =0D The Government did not set this program up. In conjuction with the Vangau= rd =0D insurance program, this training allows you to be insured from the get go= =2E=0D =0D Sorry, I didn't mean for this to be this long:-)=0D =0D =0D =0D Dana Overall=0D Richmond, KY=0D http://rvflying.tripod.com=0D do not archive=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D >From: "Dan Heath" =0D >Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D >To: =0D >Subject: Re: KR> kr flight training( need help.)=0D >Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:50:57 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)=0D >=0D >Well, I read the information on the RV Training web site and I was quite= =0D >dissappointed. It would appear that in order to get the training, you ha= ve=0D >to not need the training. If it is what it reads to be, it is no more th= an=0D >a "get familiar with a RV" kind of school and with 3 RV's in my back yar= d, =0D >I=0D >could get that right here.=0D >=0D >The government set this up for safety, but they have put so many=0D >restrictions on it that you can actually get better training for a KR, b= y=0D >going to a gathering.=0D >=0D >N64KR=0D >=0D >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D >=0D >DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D >=0D >See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D >=0D >See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D >See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D >=0D >-------Original Message-------=0D >=0D >From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D >Date: Sunday, February 09, 2003 08:15:08 PM=0D >To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D >Subject: Re: KR> kr flight training( need help.)=0D >=0D >thanks for that info=0D >william=0D >--- Ron Lee wrote:=0D > > Here is the link for one RV school.=0D > >=0D > > http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/trainfly.htm=0D > >=0D > > Ron Lee=0D > >=0D > > Made hotel reservation for Red Oak!=0D > >=0D > >=0D > > At 06:03 AM 2/9/03 -0800, you wrote:=0D > > >If you cannot find someone, you might consider RV=0D > > school. I believe there=0D > > >is one in Seattle. A chapter member finished her=0D > > RV last year and spent a=0D > > >week in RV school somewhere in Washington.=0D > >=0D > >=0D > >=0D >---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org ,=0D > > NOT "reply all"=0D > >=0D > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail:=0D > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org=0D > > For additional commands, e-mail:=0D > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D > >=0D > > See the KRNet archives at=0D > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D > >=0D >=0D >=0D >__________________________________________________=0D >Do you Yahoo!?=0D >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.=0D >http://mailplus.yahoo.com=0D >=0D >---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D >=0D >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org=0D >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D >=0D >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D >=0D >.=0D =0D =0D _________________________________________________________________=0D Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. =0D http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/featuredemail=0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_D7M4G6G0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:07:30 -0600 To: From: "Frank Dungan" Subject: Re: KR> T Tail KR Message-Id: I've been told that the original design of the Tomahawk was a very good = design, but that after cost cutting measures the production aircraft left much to = be desired - hence your flexing problem.=20 Beechcraft built the Skipper, much like the Tomahawk should have been, and = it=20 didn't have the problems associated with the Trama-hawk.=20 (Information worth about what you paid for it!) >>> tinyauto@earthlink.net 02/08/03 10:14PM >>> I always thought the "T" tail was a bad idea. I learned to fly in a Piper Tomahawk. It was ok, but have you ever looked back at one in a full hard stall? That tail really flexes up and down. The "T" tailed Piper Arrows are worth less than the standard tails. You cannot raise the nose on a T tail as quickly as you can on a standard tail for times like short field takeoffs. This guys "T" isn't all the way to the top of the vertical stabilizer. I like the looks of his "T" tail and it seems he gave it a = lot of thought. I wonder if he plans any external bracing? Kevin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian J Bland" To: Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 6:26 PM Subject: KR> T Tail KR > I remember seeing something in the newsletter about a KR being built = with a > T tail. Does anyone remember this? I will try to find where I saw it. > > Brian J Bland > Claremore, OK > > mailto:bruiser@dellepro.com=20 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 10/24/2002 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org=20 > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=20 > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=20 > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org=20 For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=20 See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=20 or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:55:11 -0500 To: "'KRnet@mailinglists.org'" From: Anthony Underwood Subject: RE: KR> T Tail KR Message-ID: <01C2D0FB.59EBF5C0.xbs4fiverivers@xrxgsn.com> Unless i'm wrong the T tail KR was a float plane that Ken Rand was experimenting with. -----Original Message----- From: Frank Dungan [SMTP:Frank.Dungan@aa.com] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 10:08 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> T Tail KR I've been told that the original design of the Tomahawk was a very good design, but that after cost cutting measures the production aircraft left much to be desired - hence your flexing problem. Beechcraft built the Skipper, much like the Tomahawk should have been, and it didn't have the problems associated with the Trama-hawk. (Information worth about what you paid for it!) >>> tinyauto@earthlink.net 02/08/03 10:14PM >>> I always thought the "T" tail was a bad idea. I learned to fly in a Piper Tomahawk. It was ok, but have you ever looked back at one in a full hard stall? That tail really flexes up and down. The "T" tailed Piper Arrows are worth less than the standard tails. You cannot raise the nose on a T tail as quickly as you can on a standard tail for times like short field takeoffs. This guys "T" isn't all the way to the top of the vertical stabilizer. I like the looks of his "T" tail and it seems he gave it a lot of thought. I wonder if he plans any external bracing? Kevin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian J Bland" To: Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 6:26 PM Subject: KR> T Tail KR > I remember seeing something in the newsletter about a KR being built with a > T tail. Does anyone remember this? I will try to find where I saw it. > > Brian J Bland > Claremore, OK > > mailto:bruiser@dellepro.com > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 10/24/2002 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:28:52 -0500 To: flyboy232@adelphia.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Robert7721@aol.com Subject: Epoxy and T88 Message-ID: <4E8442A0.5B73880A.0CB4FAE3@aol.com> Leigh, I've used both T88 and the West Systems. You can buy both slow and fast hardner for the West System. Do not use the fast hardner if you need time. I used it on a couple of occasions where it started setting up before I had everything in place. The slow hardner works much better to give you the extra time you may need. Most of my wood was glued using West System (T88 on the Spars), I also recommend adding flox to West Epoxy after mixing it to thicken it as required and it worked great. Rob Schmitt Hohenfels, GE Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:30:17 -0500 To: From: "Leigh Plymale" Subject: Epoxy and T88 Message-ID: <006801c2d060$e9e2fc00$58224044@chvlva.adelphia.net> ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C2D037.00A83EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK before I am chastised for not consulting the archives I looked for = about 1/2 hour reading what looked promising. I have gathered that T88 = is an epoxy for wood bonding. West is OK for fiberglassing and most = thought it would be OK for wood bonding as well. So my question is this, = does any one have any info on real world set up time for T88 and West = slow cure. I'm kinda worried about the time it will take to staple down = the plywood to the spruce. I have only moderate experience with West but = a friend is building an Osprey and I like the results. Also in order to = "Build light and it will be right" I intend to use mahogany for its = light weight and I think it is beautiful wood. I was hoping to turn the = fuse sides over after stapling and clean up excess glue most especially = in the cockpit area. This would allow for a seal coat of epoxy or = urethane and would show off that beautiful expensive wood. Also I can = save the weight of upholstery or carpeting. Any thoughts? Leigh Plymale flyboy232@adelphia.net ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************