From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 12 Feb 2003 22:04:02 -0000 Issue 631 Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:05 PM krnet Digest 12 Feb 2003 22:04:02 -0000 Issue 631 Topics (messages 15115 through 15135): Re: LOM inline engine 15115 by: Frank Ross Re: Winglets 15116 by: Robert X. Cringely 15117 by: Frank Ross 15118 by: Bob 15119 by: Fran Giroux 15120 by: Ron Lee 15121 by: larry severson 15122 by: Ron Freiberger 15123 by: larry severson 15134 by: Frank Ross 15135 by: gleone Winglets and Slips 15124 by: Frank Ross KR-2S 15125 by: kleirfall.ecomail.org 15126 by: Dan Heath 15128 by: Robert Stone 15129 by: Dan Heath KR winglets 15127 by: Anthony Underwood 15132 by: Steven Eberhart time required to build a KR2 15130 by: harold woods Off at a tangent 15131 by: N.J.Stapelberg KR2 parts for sale 15133 by: Waldokr2.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:31:20 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> LOM inline engine Message-ID: <20030212013120.55273.qmail@web40905.mail.yahoo.com> No Oscar, Below the equator, in South America the water goes down the drain counter-clockwise and propellers turn just the opposite of what they do above the equator. That's why it's so dangerous to fly across the equator. You have to kind of fly alongside it and then slip across real fast. At least that's what Virg told me. Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX --- Oscar Zuniga wrote: > Okay, since someone else opened the topic of the > inline engine (I don't > remember who), I sat down to read the Feb. Sport > Aviation and on pg. 27 > there is a story about a CH 801 being used by > missionaries, powered with a > 210HP LOM inline. I looked at the prop, then looked > at it again. Does this > engine turn "backwards" (left), like the Corvair? > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:33:38 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> Winglets Message-Id: As a U.S. government agency, individuals can't normally sue without first getting NASA's permission, so I hardly think they are worried about liability. Bob >I read the first post and sent an email to NASA. If I get a useful response, >I'll pass it along to the KR-Net. I'm interested in using them as well on my >KR-1. The question is, will NASA actually give me the information >or a link to >find it myself or are they afraid of "liability" issues? I don't >know but will >let the group know what I find out when I find it out. Later! Gene > >Fran Giroux wrote: > >> Please tell us where we can find the design specs for these wingtips. I am >> planning to use something special on my plane but don't know the specifics >> of construction except for the general shape I've seen on the net. >> >> Fran >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "larry severson" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 1:05 PM >> Subject: KR> Winglets >> >> > Has anyone tried terminating the KR2 wing with winglets? I took >> aeronautics >> > 40 years ago, and they seemed an outstanding answer with significant lift >> > increase and drag reduction. Fuel consumption reduced 5-15% in DC-10 tests >> > years ago. >> > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" >> > >> > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> > >> > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files >> > >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" >> >> To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> >> See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:38:01 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Winglets Message-ID: <20030212013801.45719.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com> One other thing that just occurred to me is that if you are reducing fuel consumption on a DC-10 by 15% that's wonderful, but what is 15% of 5 gallons per hour and is it worth it? I was excited about them because I thought they might give better (lower) stall speed. Now, about wings. How about a second wing over the top of the fuelage, like a Pitts? What effect would that have, besides ruining your view? Frank Ross > --- larry severson wrote: > > Has anyone tried terminating the KR2 wing with > > winglets? I took aeronautics > > 40 years ago, and they seemed an outstanding > answer > > with significant lift > > increase and drag reduction. Fuel consumption > > reduced 5-15% in DC-10 tests > > years ago. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:13:54 +0000 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Bob Subject: Re: KR> Winglets Message-ID: <3E495982.92DF2854@hcnews.com> Fellows..might consider ever wanting to slip the craft?? "Robert X. Cringely" wrote: > > As a U.S. government agency, individuals can't normally sue without > first getting NASA's permission, so I hardly think they are worried > about liability. > > Bob > > >I read the first post and sent an email to NASA. If I get a useful response, > >I'll pass it along to the KR-Net. I'm interested in using them as well on my > >KR-1. The question is, will NASA actually give me the information > >or a link to > >find it myself or are they afraid of "liability" issues? I don't > >know but will > >let the group know what I find out when I find it out. Later! Gene > > > >Fran Giroux wrote: > > > >> Please tell us where we can find the design specs for these wingtips. I am > >> planning to use something special on my plane but don't know the specifics > >> of construction except for the general shape I've seen on the net. > >> > >> Fran > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "larry severson" > >> To: > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 1:05 PM > >> Subject: KR> Winglets > >> > >> > Has anyone tried terminating the KR2 wing with winglets? I took > >> aeronautics > >> > 40 years ago, and they seemed an outstanding answer with significant lift > >> > increase and drag reduction. Fuel consumption reduced 5-15% in DC-10 tests > >> > years ago. > >> > > >> > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >> > > >> > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >> > > >> > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >> > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > >> > > >> > > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >> > >> To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >> > >> See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >> or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:04:29 -0500 To: From: "Fran Giroux" Subject: Re: KR> Winglets Message-ID: <003101c2d243$7634aa80$1002a8c0@franshp> The research I did on the net showed these winglets with an airfoil shape such that the shape of the top of the wing was on the inboard side of the winglet and almost flat on the outer side. That way when the vortex came over and hit the winglet at an angle it produced lift in the horizontal direction toward the fuselage. But what I don't know is whether the winglet is angled in at the rear edge so that the created lift it point somewhat toward the direction the aircraft is headed or whether the winglet is parallel to the fuselage which doesn't make any sense except that the winglets look cool. Does anyone know if they are parallel or angled in at the rear? Fran ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry severson" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 5:42 PM Subject: Re: KR> Winglets > I do not have design specs. At this time, I am planning to make a constant > cord wing extension of the normal length ending with a flat plate. The > plate will match the wing shape in the front and continue back to the tip > maintaining the vertical dimensions of the center of lift. This reduces the > normal spill over at the tip which causes wing tip vortices. I will add a > little contour to the wing to, hopefully, keep laminar flow across the winglet. > > Hopefully someone else has already tried this. > > At 04:49 PM 2/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >Please tell us where we can find the design specs for these wingtips. I am > >planning to use something special on my plane but don't know the specifics > >of construction except for the general shape I've seen on the net. > > > > > > Has anyone tried terminating the KR2 wing with winglets? I took > >aeronautics > > > 40 years ago, and they seemed an outstanding answer with significant lift > > > increase and drag reduction. Fuel consumption reduced 5-15% in DC-10 tests > > > years ago. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:11:35 -0700 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR> Winglets Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030211200843.00a74ec0@127.0.0.1> Find someone local with Long EZ (maybe even Cozy) plans. My Long-EZ winglets are nearly flat on the outboard and curved like a wing top to the inboard. Appears that the flat outboard may be parallel to the velocity vector but not sure. Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:11:05 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR> Winglets Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030211190813.022569e0@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Based on the wind tunnel testing that we did in college 340 years ago, a winglet that is angled towards the fuselage, rather than parallel to the direction of flight, will create flat plate drag. Not desired! . But what I don't know is whether the winglet >is angled in at the rear edge so that the created lift it point somewhat >toward the direction the aircraft is headed or whether the winglet is >parallel to the fuselage which doesn't make any sense except that the >winglets look cool. . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:22:30 -0500 To: From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> Winglets Message-ID: Not as bad a view as with three, ala Red Baron!!! Good thinking Frank Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: Frank Ross [mailto:alamokr2@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 8:38 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Winglets One other thing that just occurred to me is that if you are reducing fuel consumption on a DC-10 by 15% that's wonderful, but what is 15% of 5 gallons per hour and is it worth it? I was excited about them because I thought they might give better (lower) stall speed. Now, about wings. How about a second wing over the top of the fuelage, like a Pitts? What effect would that have, besides ruining your view? Frank Ross > --- larry severson wrote: > > Has anyone tried terminating the KR2 wing with > > winglets? I took aeronautics > > 40 years ago, and they seemed an outstanding > answer > > with significant lift > > increase and drag reduction. Fuel consumption > > reduced 5-15% in DC-10 tests > > years ago. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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These winglets look like they are perpendicular to both the wing and the forward direction of the aircraft. Also, they look to follow the airfoil both top and bottom with the 'top' being toward the aircraft and the 'bottom' being away from the craft, or following the normal form of the wing if you simply folded it where the winglet starts vertical. The photos also show a very good sample of how the wing folds and attaches and how the canopy slides backwards. I have a suspicion that, since this aircraft is for use in training cadets at the USAF academy, the rearward opening canopy is more for them to get used to than for any real advantage in building or function. Still, it looks cool. Anybody wants to post these photos,or just have a copy, I will send them to you at your request. Thanks, Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX (where it is cloudy and drizzling all day to pay me back for shooting off my big mouth yesterday about how beautiful it is here. Temp today is 67 F, but wind chill of 65 F.) --- Fran Giroux wrote: > The research I did on the net showed these winglets > with an airfoil shape > such that the shape of the top of the wing was on > the inboard side of the > winglet and almost flat on the outer side. That way > when the vortex came > over and hit the winglet at an angle it produced > lift in the horizontal > direction toward the fuselage. But what I don't > know is whether the winglet > is angled in at the rear edge so that the created > lift it point somewhat > toward the direction the aircraft is headed or > whether the winglet is > parallel to the fuselage which doesn't make any > sense except that the > winglets look cool. Does anyone know if they are > parallel or angled in at > the rear? > > Fran > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "larry severson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 5:42 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Winglets > > > > I do not have design specs. At this time, I am > planning to make a constant > > cord wing extension of the normal length ending > with a flat plate. The > > plate will match the wing shape in the front and > continue back to the tip > > maintaining the vertical dimensions of the center > of lift. This reduces > the > > normal spill over at the tip which causes wing tip > vortices. I will add a > > little contour to the wing to, hopefully, keep > laminar flow across the > winglet. > > > > Hopefully someone else has already tried this. > > > > At 04:49 PM 2/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > >Please tell us where we can find the design specs > for these wingtips. I > am > > >planning to use something special on my plane but > don't know the > specifics > > >of construction except for the general shape I've > seen on the net. > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried terminating the KR2 wing with > winglets? I took > > >aeronautics > > > > 40 years ago, and they seemed an outstanding > answer with significant > lift > > > > increase and drag reduction. Fuel consumption > reduced 5-15% in DC-10 > tests > > > > years ago. > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:04:19 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: gleone Subject: Re: KR> Winglets Message-ID: <3E4AB6D3.6643E9DE@tritel.net> --------------BAAE34D852E393A41FB92374 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------054F88716701C5C614C6545D" --------------054F88716701C5C614C6545D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sliding canopies also make for easy bailout. I have always wondered about the crowd with the forward tilt canopies. I'm planning on a sliding canopy for my KR-1 thanks to the EAA pub, The Sportplane Builder. They do look cool but also you don't have to worry about it eventually falling off the hinges. Maybe they won't but I think along those lines. Frank Ross wrote: > Fran, > I took a look at some photos I took at Oshkosh of a > really beautiful glider that had folding wings and > very big winglets. These winglets look like they are > perpendicular to both the wing and the forward > direction of the aircraft. Also, they look to follow > the airfoil both top and bottom with the 'top' being > toward the aircraft and the 'bottom' being away from > the craft, or following the normal form of the wing if > you simply folded it where the winglet starts > vertical. > The photos also show a very good sample of how the > wing folds and attaches and how the canopy slides > backwards. > I have a suspicion that, since this aircraft is for > use in training cadets at the USAF academy, the > rearward opening canopy is more for them to get used > to than for any real advantage in building or > function. > Still, it looks cool. > Anybody wants to post these photos,or just have a > copy, I will send them to you at your request. > Thanks, > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX (where it is cloudy and > drizzling all day to pay me back for shooting off my > big mouth yesterday about how beautiful it is here. > Temp today is 67 F, but wind chill of 65 F.) > > --- Fran Giroux wrote: > > The research I did on the net showed these winglets > > with an airfoil shape > > such that the shape of the top of the wing was on > > the inboard side of the > > winglet and almost flat on the outer side. That way > > when the vortex came > > over and hit the winglet at an angle it produced > > lift in the horizontal > > direction toward the fuselage. But what I don't > > know is whether the winglet > > is angled in at the rear edge so that the created > > lift it point somewhat > > toward the direction the aircraft is headed or > > whether the winglet is > > parallel to the fuselage which doesn't make any > > sense except that the > > winglets look cool. Does anyone know if they are > > parallel or angled in at > > the rear? > > > > Fran > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "larry severson" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 5:42 PM > > Subject: Re: KR> Winglets > > > > > > > I do not have design specs. At this time, I am > > planning to make a constant > > > cord wing extension of the normal length ending > > with a flat plate. The > > > plate will match the wing shape in the front and > > continue back to the tip > > > maintaining the vertical dimensions of the center > > of lift. This reduces > > the > > > normal spill over at the tip which causes wing tip > > vortices. I will add a > > > little contour to the wing to, hopefully, keep > > laminar flow across the > > winglet. > > > > > > Hopefully someone else has already tried this. > > > > > > At 04:49 PM 2/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Please tell us where we can find the design specs > > for these wingtips. I > > am > > > >planning to use something special on my plane but > > don't know the > > specifics > > > >of construction except for the general shape I've > > seen on the net. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried terminating the KR2 wing with > > winglets? I took > > > >aeronautics > > > > > 40 years ago, and they seemed an outstanding > > answer with significant > > lift > > > > > increase and drag reduction. Fuel consumption > > reduced 5-15% in DC-10 > > tests > > > > > years ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > > NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files --------------054F88716701C5C614C6545D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sliding canopies also make for easy bailout.  I have always wondered about the crowd with the forward tilt canopies.  I'm planning on a sliding canopy for my KR-1 thanks to the EAA pub, The Sportplane Builder.  They do look cool but also you don't have to worry about it eventually falling off the hinges.  Maybe they won't but I think along those lines.

Frank Ross wrote:

Fran,
I took a look at some photos I took at Oshkosh of a
really beautiful glider that had folding wings and
very big winglets. These winglets look like they are
perpendicular to both the wing and the forward
direction of the aircraft. Also, they look to follow
the airfoil both top and bottom with the 'top' being
toward the aircraft and the 'bottom' being away from
the craft, or following the normal form of the wing if
you simply folded it where the winglet starts
vertical.
The photos also show a very good sample of how the
wing folds and attaches and how the canopy slides
backwards.
I have a suspicion that, since this aircraft is for
use in training cadets at the USAF academy, the
rearward opening canopy is more for them to get used
to than for any real advantage in building or
function.
Still, it looks cool.
Anybody wants to post these photos,or just have a
copy, I will send them to you at your request.
Thanks,
Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX (where it is cloudy and
drizzling all day to pay me back for shooting off my
big mouth yesterday about how beautiful it is here.
Temp today is 67 F, but wind chill of 65 F.)

--- Fran Giroux <hydrogen.boost@verizon.net> wrote:
> The research I did on the net showed these winglets
> with an airfoil shape
> such that the shape of the top of the wing was on
> the inboard side of the
> winglet and almost flat on the outer side.  That way
> when the vortex came
> over and hit the winglet at an angle it produced
> lift in the horizontal
> direction toward the fuselage.  But what I don't
> know is whether the winglet
> is angled in at the rear edge  so that the created
> lift it point somewhat
> toward the direction the aircraft is headed or
> whether the winglet is
> parallel to the fuselage which doesn't make any
> sense except that the
> winglets look cool.  Does anyone know if they are
> parallel or angled in at
> the rear?
>
> Fran
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "larry severson" <larry2@socal.rr.com>
> To: <KRnet@mailinglists.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> Winglets
>
>
> > I do not have design specs. At this time, I am
> planning to make a constant
> > cord wing extension of the normal length ending
> with a flat plate. The
> > plate will match the wing shape in the front and
> continue back to the tip
> > maintaining the vertical dimensions of the center
> of lift. This reduces
> the
> > normal spill over at the tip which causes wing tip
> vortices. I will add a
> > little contour to the wing to, hopefully, keep
> laminar flow across the
> winglet.
> >
> > Hopefully someone else has already tried this.
> >
> > At 04:49 PM 2/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Please tell us where we can find the design specs
> for these wingtips.  I
> am
> > >planning to use something special on my plane but
> don't know the
> specifics
> > >of construction except for the general shape I've
> seen on the net.
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Has anyone tried terminating the KR2 wing with
> winglets? I took
> > >aeronautics
> > > > 40 years ago, and they seemed an outstanding
> answer with significant
> lift
> > > > increase and drag reduction. Fuel consumption
> reduced 5-15% in DC-10
> tests
> > > > years ago.
> >
> >
> >
>
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--------------054F88716701C5C614C6545D-- --------------BAAE34D852E393A41FB92374-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:34:26 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Winglets and Slips Message-ID: <20030212053426.95488.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> --- Bob wrote: > Fellows..might consider ever wanting to slip the > craft?? Good point Bob Hailey, What effect do winglets have on slips? Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:39:18 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: kleirfall@ecomail.org Subject: KR-2S Message-ID: <1045046358.3e4a2456255a1@www.ecomail.org> I am Kris, a soon to be KR owner and flyer. I was wondering how easy and how long it takes to build a KR-2S? What kinda tools do you need to complete the project? How does the plane fly? Does it have get to hot or to cold in the cockpit when you are flying in heat or cold? How long does a fiberglass and wood airframe last? If you could tell me this info and any other info you know about the KR-2S, I would appreciate it very much!! Thank you so much! Kris <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< This email comes to you via EcoMail! Swim over to http://www.ecocity.com and sign up for your *FREE* account ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 06:34:19 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> KR-2S Message-Id: <3E4A5B6B.000008.01272@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_7T97RN00000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have not built a 2S, but I am on my second 2, and they are basically th= e same plane, so I will throw some answers at you based on my experience.=0D =0D =0D I was wondering how easy and how long it takes to build a KR-2S? =0D =0D It is easy regarding the skills required, hard labor when you are doing t= he finish work. It requires a lot of imagination and creativity. It is muc= h easier and faster to build if you stick as close to the plans as possible= =2E=20 It will take less time if you ask for and consider information that you c= an get from the KRNet. I would say that if you stick to a continuous buildi= ng process, you could finish one in about 6 years or less if you can work on= it all the time. However the real answer to the time question, is, "it depe= nds "=0D =0D What kinda tools do you need to complete the project? =0D =0D You need a place to work like a 2 car garage or workshop of similar size.= =20 Your work will go faster if it is climate controlled. =0D =0D A table or radial arm saw, also a band saw is useful. OR you can use han= d saws=0D Drill, and a drill press is handy. Or whatever you can drill holes wit= h=0D A shop vacuum cleaner.=0D Clamps.=0D Vice grips and a vice=0D Wrenches and screwdrivers=0D Something to grind and sand metal parts to shape.=0D Fiberglass and resin working tools like scissors and squeegees=0D =0D A lot of this depends on what parts you buy and what parts you make and h= ow much you just love tools.=0D =0D =0D How does the plane fly? =0D =0D Since I am on my second KR, I can answer this. Thrilling and wonderful.=20 Fast and responsive. I love it.=0D =0D Does it have get to hot or to cold in the cockpit when you are flying in heat or cold? =0D =0D Yes, but in the heat, you can easily get fresh air to get cool, supplying heat is a little more difficult, but can be done. On sunny days in the winter, the cockpit warms up quickly as long as you have the sun. If you supply heat, well, it gets as warm as your heating system is good.=0D =0D How long does a fiberglass and wood airframe last?=0D =0D I don't know that there is a time limit as long as you keep it stored out= of the elements and take care of it.=0D =0D In summary, if you are a generally "handy" person with patience and perseverance, and enough resources and time, you can build a KR. The KR = is FUN to build and is a great learning experience by itself. You will find= a lot of new friends in the KR community because we help each other. The really hard part and the real test comes when you get to 90% complete and have to find the will to drive through the remaining 90%. Loathing the finishing process, aka, sanding, is a common thing among KR builders. In= my opinion, everything about building a KR, except the finishing ( spelled, sanding ) process is just plain fun.=0D =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 02:43:31 AM=0D To: krnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> KR-2S=0D =0D I am Kris, a soon to be KR owner and flyer. I was wondering how easy and = how=0D long it takes to build a KR-2S? What kinda tools do you need to complete = the=0D project? How does the plane fly? Does it have get to hot or to cold in th= e=0D cockpit when you are flying in heat or cold? How long does a fiberglass a= nd=0D wood airframe last? If you could tell me this info and any other info you= =0D know about the KR-2S, I would appreciate it very much!! Thank you so much= !=0D Kris=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><=0D This email comes to you via EcoMail! =0D Swim over to http://www.ecocity.com and sign up for your *FREE* account=0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_7T97RN00000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:13:04 -0600 To: From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> KR-2S Message-ID: <001301c2d2a9$40bb06e0$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> Netter's, I agree with everything Dan said about building a KR aircraft except the time to build. He says the following; you could finish one in about 6 years or less if you can work on it all the time. If "all the time" means 8 hours a day 5 days a week this, excluding holidays is 2080 hours a year. In 6 years this would be 12,480 hours. I have never heard of anyone taking that long to build a KR1, KR2, or KR2S. Years ago when Ken Rand first began to market the plans and kits for both the KR1 and the KR2 he claimed that the average builder should be able to build either one in 1000 hours and this is very close to true depending on the builders skills. I know of one builder who is retired and a very skilled craftsman who built the KR2 in 7 months. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone42@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: Re: KR> KR-2S I have not built a 2S, but I am on my second 2, and they are basically the same plane, so I will throw some answers at you based on my experience. I was wondering how easy and how long it takes to build a KR-2S? It is easy regarding the skills required, hard labor when you are doing the finish work. It requires a lot of imagination and creativity. It is much easier and faster to build if you stick as close to the plans as possible. It will take less time if you ask for and consider information that you can get from the KRNet. I would say that if you stick to a continuous building process, you could finish one in about 6 years or less if you can work on it all the time. However the real answer to the time question, is, "it depends " What kinda tools do you need to complete the project? You need a place to work like a 2 car garage or workshop of similar size. Your work will go faster if it is climate controlled. A table or radial arm saw, also a band saw is useful. OR you can use hand saws Drill, and a drill press is handy. Or whatever you can drill holes with A shop vacuum cleaner. Clamps. Vice grips and a vice Wrenches and screwdrivers Something to grind and sand metal parts to shape. Fiberglass and resin working tools like scissors and squeegees A lot of this depends on what parts you buy and what parts you make and how much you just love tools. How does the plane fly? Since I am on my second KR, I can answer this. Thrilling and wonderful. Fast and responsive. I love it. Does it have get to hot or to cold in the cockpit when you are flying in heat or cold? Yes, but in the heat, you can easily get fresh air to get cool, supplying heat is a little more difficult, but can be done. On sunny days in the winter, the cockpit warms up quickly as long as you have the sun. If you supply heat, well, it gets as warm as your heating system is good. How long does a fiberglass and wood airframe last? I don't know that there is a time limit as long as you keep it stored out of the elements and take care of it. In summary, if you are a generally "handy" person with patience and perseverance, and enough resources and time, you can build a KR. The KR is FUN to build and is a great learning experience by itself. You will find a lot of new friends in the KR community because we help each other. The really hard part and the real test comes when you get to 90% complete and have to find the will to drive through the remaining 90%. Loathing the finishing process, aka, sanding, is a common thing among KR builders. In my opinion, everything about building a KR, except the finishing ( spelled, sanding ) process is just plain fun. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Red Oak - 2003 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org -------Original Message------- From: KRnet@mailinglists.org Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 02:43:31 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> KR-2S I am Kris, a soon to be KR owner and flyer. I was wondering how easy and how long it takes to build a KR-2S? What kinda tools do you need to complete the project? How does the plane fly? Does it have get to hot or to cold in the cockpit when you are flying in heat or cold? How long does a fiberglass and wood airframe last? If you could tell me this info and any other info you know about the KR-2S, I would appreciate it very much!! Thank you so much! Kris <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< This email comes to you via EcoMail! Swim over to http://www.ecocity.com and sign up for your *FREE* account --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:29:18 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> KR-2S Message-Id: <3E4AA08D.00000D.01272@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_UGN724L0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree. However, I think 1200+ hours is more realistic. What I really meant to say is that a regular person with a regular job, could probably build one in 6 years. If you did not have to work a regular job, you cou= ld probably build it in less years. This would be with no mess ups, no do overs, no inventing a new way to do everything, and being a good craftsma= n.=0D =0D If you could build one in 1200 hours, and could work on it 6 hours a day,= 4 days a week, you could build it in less than a year.=0D =0D You can look on our site and see the plane as it was when I started worki= ng on it. I work on it a lot. I work a regular job and do get tired of working on it from time to time. I am in the 3rd year of working on it n= ow and do expect to finish it before starting the 4th year.=0D =0D Since I took the day off to work on it, now, I am going back out to the s= hop to do just that.=0D =0D Later,=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 07:13:42 AM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: KR> KR-2S=0D =0D Netter's,=0D I agree with everything Dan said about building a KR aircraft except=0D the time to build. He says the following;=0D =0D you could finish one in about 6 years or less if you can work on it=0D all the time.=0D =0D If "all the time" means 8 hours a day 5 days a week this, excluding=0D holidays is 2080 hours a year. In 6 years this would be 12,480 hours.=0D I have never heard of anyone taking that long to build a KR1, KR2, or KR2= S.=0D Years ago when Ken Rand first began to market the plans and kits for both= =0D the KR1 and the KR2 he claimed that the average builder should be able to= =0D build either one in 1000 hours and this is very close to true depending o= n=0D the builders skills. I know of one builder who is retired and a very=0D skilled craftsman who built the KR2 in 7 months.=0D =0D Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX=0D rstone42@hot.rr.com=0D =0D =0D =0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: "Dan Heath" =0D To: =0D Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:34 AM=0D Subject: Re: KR> KR-2S=0D =0D =0D I have not built a 2S, but I am on my second 2, and they are basically th= e=0D same plane, so I will throw some answers at you based on my experience.=0D =0D =0D I was wondering how easy and how long it takes to build a KR-2S?=0D =0D It is easy regarding the skills required, hard labor when you are doing t= he=0D finish work. It requires a lot of imagination and creativity. It is much=0D easier and faster to build if you stick as close to the plans as possible= =2E=0D It will take less time if you ask for and consider information that you c= an=0D get from the KRNet. I would say that if you stick to a continuous buildin= g=0D process, you could finish one in about 6 years or less if you can work on= it=0D all the time. However the real answer to the time question, is, "it depen= ds=0D "=0D =0D What kinda tools do you need to complete the project?=0D =0D You need a place to work like a 2 car garage or workshop of similar size.= =0D Your work will go faster if it is climate controlled.=0D =0D A table or radial arm saw, also a band saw is useful. OR you can use hand= =0D saws=0D Drill, and a drill press is handy. Or whatever you can drill holes with=0D A shop vacuum cleaner.=0D Clamps.=0D Vice grips and a vice=0D Wrenches and screwdrivers=0D Something to grind and sand metal parts to shape.=0D Fiberglass and resin working tools like scissors and squeegees=0D =0D A lot of this depends on what parts you buy and what parts you make and h= ow=0D much you just love tools.=0D =0D =0D How does the plane fly?=0D =0D Since I am on my second KR, I can answer this. Thrilling and wonderful.=0D Fast and responsive. I love it.=0D =0D Does it have get to hot or to cold in the cockpit when you are flying in=0D heat or cold?=0D =0D Yes, but in the heat, you can easily get fresh air to get cool, supplying= =0D heat is a little more difficult, but can be done. On sunny days in the=0D winter, the cockpit warms up quickly as long as you have the sun. If you=0D supply heat, well, it gets as warm as your heating system is good.=0D =0D How long does a fiberglass and wood airframe last?=0D =0D I don't know that there is a time limit as long as you keep it stored out= of=0D the elements and take care of it.=0D =0D In summary, if you are a generally "handy" person with patience and=0D perseverance, and enough resources and time, you can build a KR. The KR i= s=0D FUN to build and is a great learning experience by itself. You will find = a=0D lot of new friends in the KR community because we help each other. The=0D really hard part and the real test comes when you get to 90% complete and= =0D have to find the will to drive through the remaining 90%. Loathing the=0D finishing process, aka, sanding, is a common thing among KR builders. In = my=0D opinion, everything about building a KR, except the finishing ( spelled,=0D sanding ) process is just plain fun.=0D =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 02:43:31 AM=0D To: krnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> KR-2S=0D =0D I am Kris, a soon to be KR owner and flyer. I was wondering how easy and = how=0D long it takes to build a KR-2S? What kinda tools do you need to complete = the=0D project? How does the plane fly? Does it have get to hot or to cold in th= e=0D cockpit when you are flying in heat or cold? How long does a fiberglass a= nd=0D wood airframe last? If you could tell me this info and any other info you= =0D know about the KR-2S, I would appreciate it very much!! Thank you so much= !=0D Kris=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><=0D This email comes to you via EcoMail!=0D Swim over to http://www.ecocity.com and sign up for your *FREE* account=0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org=0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E.=0D =0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_UGN724L0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:03:49 -0500 To: "'KRnet@mailinglists.org'" From: Anthony Underwood Subject: KR winglets Message-ID: <01C2D275.ADB322C0.xbs4fiverivers@xrxgsn.com> It's been a couple of years but i read a article in Kitplanes about winglets, the jest of the article was yes, winglets capture vortices and all that techno stuff, but what it all boils down to is, winglets are just an extension to the wing span,and the advantage was to high flying jets. From what the article said all the rigiamaroe we would have to go through to build a good set ptobably wouldn't be worth it.But on ther hand they sure do look sexey.Here's something else to consider, let's say your building a KR with the new airfoil, and you want to put winglets on it, how do you do this without wind tunnel and computer testing to mate it to the airfoil? If it's not done right it could negate the atvantage ot the new wing. I don't know, maby the info can be had from NASA or some place else, i would rather see some research done on wingtips mated to the new wing that help speed, something kinda like what Nemesis was doing. Anthony ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:53:12 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Steven Eberhart Subject: Re: KR> KR winglets Message-ID: <3E4AA628.9020906@newtech.com> Ashok, who designed the new airfoils, and I have discussed winglets numerous times. His feeling is the KR would not benefit from them. This is from the horses mouth. He thinks the added drag from the right angle intersection would offset any gains. Not a very scientific analysis but the guy that designed the airfoils should have a good feel for what would work and what wouldn't. Steve Eberhart (builder of the wind tunnel models for the new airfoils) Anthony Underwood wrote: > It's been a couple of years but i read a article in Kitplanes about > winglets, the jest of the article was yes, winglets capture vortices and > all that techno stuff, but what it all boils down to is, winglets are just > an extension to the wing span,and the advantage was to high flying jets. >>From what the article said all the rigiamaroe we would have to go through > to build a good set ptobably wouldn't be worth it.But on ther hand they > sure do look sexey.Here's something else to consider, let's say your > building a KR with the new airfoil, and you want to put winglets on it, how > do you do this without wind tunnel and computer testing to mate it to the > airfoil? If it's not done right it could negate the atvantage ot the new > wing. I don't know, maby the info can be had from NASA or some place else, > i would rather see some research done on wingtips mated to the new wing > that help speed, something kinda like what Nemesis was doing. Anthony > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:03:22 -0500 To: From: "harold woods" Cc: Subject: time required to build a KR2 Message-ID: <002101c2d2b8$a696a0a0$03000004@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C2D28E.BD650B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The time to build a KR the first time will be much longer than you = think. We got our set of plans in 1975 or there abouts. Things went very fast = at first That was until I wanted to deviate from the plans.There were = many interruptions in the program. An airplane is a selfish thing = especially when there are 6 kids around. So build a houseboat. Which we = did. Then we used it. The KR sat waiting for it's turn. In our Canadian = climate=20 it was impossible to build unless there was a heated workshop for those = "cooler" days.The KR was moved to my friends garage.Somewhere around = 1985 he had to move. We needed a workshop. Build one. We did 20'x30' and = well insulated.Now the KR progressed.But there was the year taken to = design and build the electric trims (3).Retirement came in 1992. Now it = will soon fly. Time that is.There are the holidays to take, the friends = to visit the grass to cut, the honeydo list etc.It is now 2003 and I am = determined to finish this project.I am going to go right at it. I will = get at it just as soon as we get back from the next 4 weeks in = Portugal.Isn't life a B.? How long does it take to build a KR? Well that = depends-------------------------. Harold Woods Orillia,ON. Canada. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/03 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C2D28E.BD650B20-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 02:13:31 +0200 To: "'KRnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "N.J.Stapelberg" Subject: Off at a tangent Message-ID: <01C2CFE0.DFD81720.norshel@mweb.co.za> Hi there netters If there are any builders in Germany could they email me direct as I am looking for some equipment from a company called MESOMATIC in Germany Regards Norman Stapelberg ZS-UKR 80% South Africa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:13:57 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Waldokr2@aol.com Subject: KR2 parts for sale Message-ID: --part1_a.2cbc8534.2b7c0505_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kr2 parts for sale; canopy frame $100 forward deck $80 Diehl nose gear $400 Diehl wingskins $1000 Riteangle AOA indicator $125 Stub wing skins $225 GPAC economy seat belt & shoulder harness $35 Aero-trim aileron & rudder trim control system $350 Bob McDonough waldokr2@aol.com Gainesville, FL Phone 352 379 3144 --part1_a.2cbc8534.2b7c0505_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************