From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 6 Mar 2003 17:11:27 -0000 Issue 649 Date: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:11 AM krnet Digest 6 Mar 2003 17:11:27 -0000 Issue 649 Topics (messages 15607 through 15630): Re: KRs and RVs 15607 by: Steven Eberhart 15608 by: Dan Heath 15610 by: kevin 15612 by: Ron Lee 15613 by: JEHayward.aol.com 15614 by: virgnvs.juno.com 15615 by: virgnvs.juno.com 15619 by: Richard Green 15620 by: Justin 15621 by: Dana Overall 15624 by: WMartensJr.aol.com landing gear... 15609 by: Hafsteinn Jónasson 15611 by: Peter Johnson Re: Fly in 15616 by: B109pro.aol.com Center stick 15617 by: Edwin Blocher TRANSPONDER FOR SALE 15618 by: David Hartz 15623 by: Fran Giroux RV Gosip 15622 by: AviationMech.aol.com Back to KR Stuff 15625 by: Ron Freiberger 15626 by: Dana Overall 15627 by: Ron Eason 4 place 15628 by: NORMAN SEEL 15629 by: WMartensJr.aol.com A four place KR 15630 by: Robert Stone Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 17:36:35 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Steven Eberhart Subject: Re: KR> KRs and RVs Message-ID: <3E668A03.7060602@newtech.com> Hi Dana. You are right, this isn't the RV list but the list of KR people building RV's is growing. Ron Lee RV-6 flying Tom Crawford RV-6 building Dana Overall RV-7 building Steve Eberhart RV-7 building Mark Langford RV-10 thinking real hard All airplanes are fun Steve Eberhart RV-7A - working on wings N14SE reserved Dana Overall wrote: > I know this is not the RV list but several things to consider about a > manufactured kit such as the 10. You get all nuts, bolts, rod end > bearings, washers, pushrods, rivets, elbows, brakes, canopy, cowl, > fairings, nosewheel, rudder pedals, vent line, brake > line............well you get the picture. The only things you have to > consider (and you can get these from Van's also) are wingtip lights, > engine and instruments. For those who think something like this is out > of a price range, the 10 is supposed to sell for something like > 22K.......for everything to build the airplane!! > > I don't think you could buy all the parts to design and build your own 4 > place for less than the 22K. The 1200 hours to build is realistic > also. 10 hours a week.......two years..........20 hours a week......one > year. They sell the components so you can pay as you build.....sorry, I > mean assemble. If I had the money to have order all the components at > the same time, there is not a doubt in my mind I could have my 7 flying > in a calender year at 20 hours a week. > > A 2 place has it's place but this four seater is going to be the real > thing. Another thing, when Van's says it's going to be a four seater, > it will be plus baggage. You're going to be able to pick up a nice > RV-4,6,7,8,9 when he starts selling the 10. > > Now back to our regular KR programming. > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For > additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:46:22 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> KRs and RVs Message-Id: <3E66B67E.000001.01040@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_AP3BQL80000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We have 2 brand new RV6 s down at our chapter, completed within 6 months = of each other, with another one on the way. These are wonderful birds and i= f I had the money to build, fly, and maintain one,,,,,, it is a no brainer.=0D =0D Problem is, that the engine alone will cost more than the entire KR, and flying costs and maintenance costs of a certified engine is the same.=0D =0D Now a RV flying behind a non-certified engine that could be had for betwe= en 6 and 10 G, that might be another story.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 01:26:36 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org; Mark Langford=0D Subject: Re: KR> KRs and RVs=0D =0D I tried to put a deposit on the RV-10 at Sun-N-Fun last year and they sai= d no way. I emailed them last week and they said they may be ready to take deposits in a few months. They are also supposed to have the cockpit mock= up at SNF this year.=0D =0D I have a wife and a son and the KR is to keep me flying for the next few years while I build a four place.=0D =0D I am still wrestling with the idea of doing an RV-10 verses continuing my design on a 4 place with the same general size and performance of a Lanca= ir, but the easy building method of spruce, foam, and glass like the KR.=0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D From: Mark Langford =0D Sent: 03/05/03 07:58 AM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> KRs and RVs=0D =0D > =0D > Mark Jones wrote:=0D =0D > Hey Mark....it's not April 1st....what's up? Are you trying to tell us=0D > something or just trying to scare the heck out of us?=0D =0D Just thinking out loud about the RV10. My wife put me on notice about 5=0D years ago that we needed a real four-place plane to take the kids on=0D vacations and family get-togethers. Although I've been thinking I'd=0D design=0D a four-passenger Corvair-powered Skymaster-like twin, the realization has= =0D set in that it would take at least 10 years to design and build something= =0D like that, and I have to finish the KR before I even start thinking about= =0D it! While Dana was down here a few weeks ago he clued me in about the=0D upcoming four-place RV-10. I bounced it off the "boss" and she said=0D "what's the holdup?". And while I've been reluctant to let my 9 year old=0D son=0D even touch the KR, I can see him being a real part of building an RV-10. = =0D I=0D suspect my 8 year old daughter may be even more help!=0D =0D This is not to say that I'm not still completely committed to KRs and=0D their=0D future, and I have a feeling that me and my KR will be together "'til=0D death=0D do us part", but there's a need for a four-place as long as the kids stil= l=0D live at home, which will probably be another 10-12 years. After that, I=0D could sell the thing for not only what I have in it, but will actually=0D recoupe my building time to the tune of $20-$30 an hour as well. I'd have= =0D to sell my KR for $150,000 to be able to say the same about it, but that'= s=0D not why I built it either.=0D =0D KRs and RVs are two completely different building and flying=0D philosophies.=0D One is a means to create a unique display of your skill, ability,=0D resourcefulness, and perserverence, that can be built with common hand=0D tools=0D in a very small space on a small budget. The end result is a screamin'=0D VFR=0D plane that flies on peanuts and draws a crowd wherever it's parked. The=0D other is quick and easy to build, requires no headscratchin' (just a big=0D checkbook), and comfortably hauls passengers and their baggage, IFR if=0D required. The end result is an aircraft that's exactly like its siblings,= =0D with predictable handling, speed, landing qualities, safety record (and=0D thus=0D insurability), and resale value. See=0D http://www vansaircraft.com/public/rv-10int.htm for more details.=0D =0D Different strokes for different folks. They both have their place, and I=0D hope to build one of each...=0D =0D Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL=0D mailto:langford@hiwaay.net=0D see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langfor= d=0D =0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word f= iles=0D =0D > =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_AP3BQL80000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:36:50 -0600 To: From: "kevin" Subject: Re: KR> KRs and RVs Message-ID: <001501c2e378$7ad5ae40$b4943841@hppav> IMHO the only problem with the great RVs is they are "cookie cutter" airplanes. I like something different. Something that stands out from the crowd. An airplane that you want to look over to see how someone built his airplane. An airplane that provokes thought and originality. This will sound a bit extreme, but if I wanted a Cherokee, I would buy one. Who gets excited about those? Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 5:04 PM Subject: Re: KR> KRs and RVs > I know this is not the RV list but several things to consider about a > manufactured kit such as the 10. You get all nuts, bolts, rod end bearings, > washers, pushrods, rivets, elbows, brakes, canopy, cowl, fairings, > nosewheel, rudder pedals, vent line, brake line............well you get the > picture. The only things you have to consider (and you can get these from > Van's also) are wingtip lights, engine and instruments. For those who think > something like this is out of a price range, the 10 is supposed to sell for > something like 22K.......for everything to build the airplane!! > > I don't think you could buy all the parts to design and build your own 4 > place for less than the 22K. The 1200 hours to build is realistic also. 10 > hours a week.......two years..........20 hours a week......one year. They > sell the components so you can pay as you build.....sorry, I mean assemble. > If I had the money to have order all the components at the same time, there > is not a doubt in my mind I could have my 7 flying in a calender year at 20 > hours a week. > > A 2 place has it's place but this four seater is going to be the real thing. > Another thing, when Van's says it's going to be a four seater, it will be > plus baggage. You're going to be able to pick up a nice RV-4,6,7,8,9 when > he starts selling the 10. > > Now back to our regular KR programming. > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 18:12:48 -0700 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Ron Lee Subject: KRs and RVs Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030305180745.00a25230@127.0.0.1> Of course I cheated. I bought mine. Maybe Kevin would like to fly an RV for a while then see if he wants to compare it to a Cherokee :) I doubt that he will. Note however that I have my hotel for the Red Oak KR flyin plus I am planning on going there soon just to check it out. You can do that with a RV because it is fast enough to be a day trip. Why go to a KR flyin? Because KR folks are good people and it should be a great time. Ron Lee At 05:36 PM 3/5/03 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Dana. You are right, this isn't the RV list but the list of KR people >building RV's is growing. > >Ron Lee RV-6 flying >Tom Crawford RV-6 building >Dana Overall RV-7 building >Steve Eberhart RV-7 building >Mark Langford RV-10 thinking real hard > >All airplanes are fun > >Steve Eberhart >RV-7A - working on wings >N14SE reserved ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 20:18:47 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> KRs and RVs Message-ID: <5f.360c95dc.2b97fbf7@aol.com> In a message dated 3/5/03 4:57:19 PM Mountain Standard Time, newtech@newtech.com writes: << Hi Dana. You are right, this isn't the RV list but the list of KR people building RV's is growing. < snipped > All airplanes are fun >> Right you are, Steve.... even my Challenger 2 place (ultralight type) which we flew to Oshkosh last year from home. Long trip? Yep... Fun trip? Yep!!!! Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:48:38 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KRs and RVs Message-ID: <20030305.225415.-562347.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Check out the ACRE newsletter. A two rotor Mazda matches weight Power and is BULLET PROOF. RV'S will also be at SnF IT WORKS, Virg On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:46:22 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) "Dan Heath" writes: > We have 2 brand new RV6 s down at our chapter, completed within 6 > months of > each other, with another one on the way. These are wonderful birds > and if I > had the money to build, fly, and maintain one,,,,,, it is a no > brainer. > > Problem is, that the engine alone will cost more than the entire KR, > and > flying costs and maintenance costs of a certified engine is the > same. > > Now a RV flying behind a non-certified engine that could be had for > between > 6 and 10 G, that might be another story. > > N64KR > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See you in Red Oak - 2003 > > See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > > -------Original Message------- > > From: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Date: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 01:26:36 PM > To: KRnet@mailinglists.org; Mark Langford > Subject: Re: KR> KRs and RVs > > I tried to put a deposit on the RV-10 at Sun-N-Fun last year and > they said > no way. I emailed them last week and they said they may be ready to > take > deposits in a few months. They are also supposed to have the cockpit > mockup > at SNF this year. > > I have a wife and a son and the KR is to keep me flying for the next > few > years while I build a four place. > > I am still wrestling with the idea of doing an RV-10 verses > continuing my > design on a 4 place with the same general size and performance of a > Lancair, > but the easy building method of spruce, foam, and glass like the > KR. > > > -------Original Message------- > From: Mark Langford > Sent: 03/05/03 07:58 AM > To: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> KRs and RVs > > > > > Mark Jones wrote: > > > Hey Mark....it's not April 1st....what's up? Are you trying to > tell us > > something or just trying to scare the heck out of us? > > Just thinking out loud about the RV10. My wife put me on notice > about 5 > years ago that we needed a real four-place plane to take the kids > on > vacations and family get-togethers. Although I've been thinking > I'd > design > a four-passenger Corvair-powered Skymaster-like twin, the > realization has > set in that it would take at least 10 years to design and build > something > like that, and I have to finish the KR before I even start thinking > about > it! While Dana was down here a few weeks ago he clued me in about > the > upcoming four-place RV-10. I bounced it off the "boss" and she > said > "what's the holdup?". And while I've been reluctant to let my 9 year > old > son > even touch the KR, I can see him being a real part of building an > RV-10. > I > suspect my 8 year old daughter may be even more help! > > This is not to say that I'm not still completely committed to KRs > and > their > future, and I have a feeling that me and my KR will be together > "'til > death > do us part", but there's a need for a four-place as long as the kids > still > live at home, which will probably be another 10-12 years. After > that, I > could sell the thing for not only what I have in it, but will > actually > recoupe my building time to the tune of $20-$30 an hour as well. I'd > have > to sell my KR for $150,000 to be able to say the same about it, but > that's > not why I built it either. > > KRs and RVs are two completely different building and flying > philosophies. > One is a means to create a unique display of your skill, ability, > resourcefulness, and perserverence, that can be built with common > hand > tools > in a very small space on a small budget. The end result is a > screamin' > VFR > plane that flies on peanuts and draws a crowd wherever it's parked. > The > other is quick and easy to build, requires no headscratchin' (just a > big > checkbook), and comfortably hauls passengers and their baggage, IFR > if > required. The end result is an aircraft that's exactly like its > siblings, > with predictable handling, speed, landing qualities, safety record > (and > thus > insurability), and resale value. See > href="http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-10int.htm">http://www > vansaircraft.com/public/rv-10int.htm for more details. > > Different strokes for different folks. They both have their place, > and I > hope to build one of each... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at href="http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford">http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford< /a> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at href="http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp">http://www.maddyhome > com/krsrch/index.jsp > or href="http://www.bouyea.net/">http://www.bouyea.net/ for the > Word files > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > . Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:38:35 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: KRnet@mailinglists.org,langford@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: KR> KRs and RVs Message-ID: <20030305.225415.-562347.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Check out the Turner T-40A, Virg On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:30:58 -0500 (EST) Brian Kraut writes: > I tried to put a deposit on the RV-10 at Sun-N-Fun last year and they > said no way. I emailed them last week and they said they may be > ready to take deposits in a few months. They are also supposed to > have the cockpit mockup at SNF this year. > > I have a wife and a son and the KR is to keep me flying for the next > few years while I build a four place. > > I am still wrestling with the idea of doing an RV-10 verses > continuing my design on a 4 place with the same general size and > performance of a Lancair, but the easy building method of spruce, > foam, and glass like the KR. > > > -------Original Message------- > From: Mark Langford > Sent: 03/05/03 07:58 AM > To: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> KRs and RVs > > > > > Mark Jones wrote: > > > Hey Mark....it's not April 1st....what's up? Are you trying to > tell us > > something or just trying to scare the heck out of us? > > Just thinking out loud about the RV10. My wife put me on notice > about 5 > years ago that we needed a real four-place plane to take the kids > on > vacations and family get-togethers. Although I've been thinking > I'd > design > a four-passenger Corvair-powered Skymaster-like twin, the > realization has > set in that it would take at least 10 years to design and build > something > like that, and I have to finish the KR before I even start thinking > about > it! While Dana was down here a few weeks ago he clued me in about > the > upcoming four-place RV-10. I bounced it off the "boss" and she > said > "what's the holdup?". And while I've been reluctant to let my 9 year > old > son > even touch the KR, I can see him being a real part of building an > RV-10. > I > suspect my 8 year old daughter may be even more help! > > This is not to say that I'm not still completely committed to KRs > and > their > future, and I have a feeling that me and my KR will be together > "'til > death > do us part", but there's a need for a four-place as long as the kids > still > live at home, which will probably be another 10-12 years. After > that, I > could sell the thing for not only what I have in it, but will > actually > recoupe my building time to the tune of $20-$30 an hour as well. > I'd have > to sell my KR for $150,000 to be able to say the same about it, but > that's > not why I built it either. > > KRs and RVs are two completely different building and flying > philosophies. > One is a means to create a unique display of your skill, ability, > resourcefulness, and perserverence, that can be built with common > hand > tools > in a very small space on a small budget. The end result is a > screamin' > VFR > plane that flies on peanuts and draws a crowd wherever it's parked. > The > other is quick and easy to build, requires no headscratchin' (just a > big > checkbook), and comfortably hauls passengers and their baggage, IFR > if > required. The end result is an aircraft that's exactly like its > siblings, > with predictable handling, speed, landing qualities, safety record > (and > thus > insurability), and resale value. See > href="http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-10int.htm">http://www.vansair craft.com/public/rv-10int.htm > for more details. > > Different strokes for different folks. They both have their place, > and I > hope to build one of each... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at href="http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford">http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford< /a> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at href="http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp">http://www.maddyhome.com /krsrch/index.jsp > or href="http://www.bouyea.net/">http://www.bouyea.net/ for the > Word files > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 02:50:19 -0600 To: From: "Richard Green" Subject: RE: KR> KRs and RVs Message-ID: <001d01c2e3bd$6b266e40$4f4c9c40@greenhome2a1> There was an rv4 at Oshkosh last year with an ATP experimental turbine engine in it (it was parked just a couple of rows over from Jim and Marty's KR2, so some of you may have seen it and talked to the folks). Following is some generalized information they put out on the ATP 6.5 Turbine Engine. Weight 185 lbs Length 32'' overall to prop flange Diameter 12 1/2" maximum located at the hot section 10" diameter of gearbox Height 16" overall located at accessory pad on gearbox Burns JetA, Kerosene, Diesel and Gasoline The preferred fuels are JetA and Kerosene Four point conical mount 20 to 1 double planetary gearbox Gearbox designed for 500 hp continuous 600 hp peak Example ( If turbine is turning 60,000 rpm prop turning 3000 rpm) Single stage radial flow turbine centrifugal compressor Electronic fuel injection Electronic ignition 120hp 10.7 gals/hr 300 lbs thrust at 2650 rpm 180hp 13.3 gals/hr 450lbs thrust at 2750 rpm 240hp 16.6 gals/hr 600lbs thrust at 3000rpm maximum rpm at propeller 3200 rpm usable rpm range in fight 2500 to 3200 rpm Designed to operate efficiently at variable rpm You can visit their web page at www.atpcoinc.com -----Original Message----- From: Dan Heath [mailto:DanRH@AllTel.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:46 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KRs and RVs We have 2 brand new RV6 s down at our chapter, completed within 6 months of each other, with another one on the way. These are wonderful birds and if I had the money to build, fly, and maintain one,,,,,, it is a no brainer. Problem is, that the engine alone will cost more than the entire KR, and flying costs and maintenance costs of a certified engine is the same. Now a RV flying behind a non-certified engine that could be had for between 6 and 10 G, that might be another story. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Red Oak - 2003 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org -------Original Message------- From: KRnet@mailinglists.org Date: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 01:26:36 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org; Mark Langford Subject: Re: KR> KRs and RVs I tried to put a deposit on the RV-10 at Sun-N-Fun last year and they said no way. I emailed them last week and they said they may be ready to take deposits in a few months. They are also supposed to have the cockpit mockup at SNF this year. I have a wife and a son and the KR is to keep me flying for the next few years while I build a four place. I am still wrestling with the idea of doing an RV-10 verses continuing my design on a 4 place with the same general size and performance of a Lancair, but the easy building method of spruce, foam, and glass like the KR. -------Original Message------- From: Mark Langford Sent: 03/05/03 07:58 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> KRs and RVs > > Mark Jones wrote: > Hey Mark....it's not April 1st....what's up? Are you trying to tell us > something or just trying to scare the heck out of us? Just thinking out loud about the RV10. My wife put me on notice about 5 years ago that we needed a real four-place plane to take the kids on vacations and family get-togethers. Although I've been thinking I'd design a four-passenger Corvair-powered Skymaster-like twin, the realization has set in that it would take at least 10 years to design and build something like that, and I have to finish the KR before I even start thinking about it! While Dana was down here a few weeks ago he clued me in about the upcoming four-place RV-10. I bounced it off the "boss" and she said "what's the holdup?". And while I've been reluctant to let my 9 year old son even touch the KR, I can see him being a real part of building an RV-10. I suspect my 8 year old daughter may be even more help! This is not to say that I'm not still completely committed to KRs and their future, and I have a feeling that me and my KR will be together "'til death do us part", but there's a need for a four-place as long as the kids still live at home, which will probably be another 10-12 years. After that, I could sell the thing for not only what I have in it, but will actually recoupe my building time to the tune of $20-$30 an hour as well. I'd have to sell my KR for $150,000 to be able to say the same about it, but that's not why I built it either. KRs and RVs are two completely different building and flying philosophies. One is a means to create a unique display of your skill, ability, resourcefulness, and perserverence, that can be built with common hand tools in a very small space on a small budget. The end result is a screamin' VFR plane that flies on peanuts and draws a crowd wherever it's parked. The other is quick and easy to build, requires no headscratchin' (just a big checkbook), and comfortably hauls passengers and their baggage, IFR if required. The end result is an aircraft that's exactly like its siblings, with predictable handling, speed, landing qualities, safety record (and thus insurability), and resale value. See http://www vansaircraft.com/public/rv-10int.htm for more details. Different strokes for different folks. They both have their place, and I hope to build one of each... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 00:59:43 -0600 To: , From: "Justin" Subject: Re: KR> KRs and RVs Message-ID: <000901c2e3ad$f7134dc0$dcda1818@computer> Thas actually really efecient. Better than any lycoming can do. Making 180HP only burning 13.3 gallons. A lycoming would be up in the 15-16 range easy. Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Green" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:50 AM Subject: RE: KR> KRs and RVs > There was an rv4 at Oshkosh last year with an ATP experimental turbine > engine in it > (it was parked just a couple of rows over from Jim and Marty's KR2, so > some of you > may have seen it and talked to the folks). > > Following is some generalized information they put out on the ATP 6.5 > Turbine Engine. > > Weight 185 lbs > Length 32'' overall to prop flange > Diameter 12 1/2" maximum located at the hot section > 10" diameter of gearbox > Height 16" overall located at accessory pad on gearbox > Burns JetA, Kerosene, Diesel and Gasoline > The preferred fuels are JetA and Kerosene > Four point conical mount > 20 to 1 double planetary gearbox > Gearbox designed for 500 hp continuous 600 hp peak > Example ( If turbine is turning 60,000 rpm prop turning 3000 rpm) > Single stage radial flow turbine centrifugal compressor > Electronic fuel injection > Electronic ignition > 120hp 10.7 gals/hr 300 lbs thrust at 2650 rpm > 180hp 13.3 gals/hr 450lbs thrust at 2750 rpm > 240hp 16.6 gals/hr 600lbs thrust at 3000rpm > maximum rpm at propeller 3200 rpm > usable rpm range in fight 2500 to 3200 rpm > Designed to operate efficiently at variable rpm > > You can visit their > web page at www.atpcoinc.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Heath [mailto:DanRH@AllTel.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:46 PM > To: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> KRs and RVs > > > We have 2 brand new RV6 s down at our chapter, completed within 6 months > of each other, with another one on the way. These are wonderful birds > and if I had the money to build, fly, and maintain one,,,,,, it is a no > brainer. > > > > Problem is, that the engine alone will cost more than the entire KR, and > flying costs and maintenance costs of a certified engine is the same. > > > > Now a RV flying behind a non-certified engine that could be had for > between 6 and 10 G, that might be another story. > > > > N64KR > > > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > > > See you in Red Oak - 2003 > > > > See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic > > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: KRnet@mailinglists.org > > Date: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 01:26:36 PM > > To: KRnet@mailinglists.org; Mark Langford > > Subject: Re: KR> KRs and RVs > > > > I tried to put a deposit on the RV-10 at Sun-N-Fun last year and they > said no way. I emailed them last week and they said they may be ready to > take deposits in a few months. They are also supposed to have the > cockpit mockup at SNF this year. > > > > I have a wife and a son and the KR is to keep me flying for the next few > years while I build a four place. > > > > I am still wrestling with the idea of doing an RV-10 verses continuing > my design on a 4 place with the same general size and performance of a > Lancair, but the easy building method of spruce, foam, and glass like > the KR. > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Mark Langford > > Sent: 03/05/03 07:58 AM > > To: KRnet@mailinglists.org > > Subject: KR> KRs and RVs > > > > > > > > Mark Jones wrote: > > > > > Hey Mark....it's not April 1st....what's up? Are you trying to tell us > > > something or just trying to scare the heck out of us? > > > > Just thinking out loud about the RV10. My wife put me on notice about 5 > > years ago that we needed a real four-place plane to take the kids on > > vacations and family get-togethers. Although I've been thinking I'd > > design > > a four-passenger Corvair-powered Skymaster-like twin, the realization > has > > set in that it would take at least 10 years to design and build > something > > like that, and I have to finish the KR before I even start thinking > about > > it! While Dana was down here a few weeks ago he clued me in about the > > upcoming four-place RV-10. I bounced it off the "boss" and she said > > "what's the holdup?". And while I've been reluctant to let my 9 year old > > son > > even touch the KR, I can see him being a real part of building an RV-10. > > > I > > suspect my 8 year old daughter may be even more help! > > > > This is not to say that I'm not still completely committed to KRs and > > their > > future, and I have a feeling that me and my KR will be together "'til > > death > > do us part", but there's a need for a four-place as long as the kids > still > > live at home, which will probably be another 10-12 years. After that, I > > could sell the thing for not only what I have in it, but will actually > > recoupe my building time to the tune of $20-$30 an hour as well. I'd > have > > to sell my KR for $150,000 to be able to say the same about it, but > that's > > not why I built it either. > > > > KRs and RVs are two completely different building and flying > > philosophies. > > One is a means to create a unique display of your skill, ability, > > resourcefulness, and perserverence, that can be built with common hand > > tools > > in a very small space on a small budget. The end result is a screamin' > > VFR > > plane that flies on peanuts and draws a crowd wherever it's parked. The > > other is quick and easy to build, requires no headscratchin' (just a big > > checkbook), and comfortably hauls passengers and their baggage, IFR if > > required. The end result is an aircraft that's exactly like its > siblings, > > with predictable handling, speed, landing qualities, safety record (and > > thus > > insurability), and resale value. See > > > href="http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-10int.htm">http://www > vansaircraft.com/public/rv-10int.htm for more details. > > > > Different strokes for different folks. They both have their place, and I > > hope to build one of each... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project N56ML at > href="http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford">http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > href="http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp">http://www.maddyhome > com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or > href="http://www.bouyea.net/">http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word > files > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > . > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 06:52:05 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: RE: KR> KRs and RVs Message-ID: Yehaa.......I really wondered about sending that post and was scared to death when I saw all the subject lines this morning. The first I read was a flame about a Cherokee but the rest were about how we all love to fly anything. My post was about the RV-10, a four place. Go try and buy a four place for what you will be able to put an RV-10 in the air for. It will out fly my Bonanza. Guess what, my partner and I have the Bo for sale!! BTW, a 180HP mid engine Lyc for my RV-7, about 7K. Trust me an RV ain't no Cherokee.............neither is a KR. When I'm up flying I could care less if it's a one-off, I just love to fly. Where's that Cherokee, I'm taking it up:-) Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:05:45 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: WMartensJr@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> KRs and RVs Message-ID: <75.bcf1b7a.2b98bdc9@aol.com> --part1_75.bcf1b7a.2b98bdc9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although the Turner T-40 is a great performing aircraft, it's a 2-place and I think what he was saying is he wanted a four place type. Walt In a message dated 3/5/2003 10:53:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, virgnvs@juno.com writes: > > Check out the Turner T-40A, Virg > > On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:30:58 -0500 (EST) Brian Kraut > writes: > > I tried to put a deposit on the RV-10 at Sun-N-Fun last year and they > > said no way. I emailed them last week and they said they may be > > ready to take deposits in a few months. They are also supposed to > > have the cockpit mockup at SNF this year. > > > > I have a wife and a son and the KR is to keep me flying for the next > > few years while I build a four place. > > > > I am still wrestling with the idea of doing an RV-10 verses > > continuing my design on a 4 place with the same general size and > > performance of a Lancair, but the easy building method of spruce, > > foam, and glass like the KR. --part1_75.bcf1b7a.2b98bdc9_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 00:00:08 -0000 To: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Hafsteinn_J=F3nasson?= Subject: landing gear... Message-ID: <006201c2e373$830f2ff0$bddd1ed4@c0g3t9> ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C2E373.599004B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello kr-builders I'm planning to build the main landing gear under my kr-2s by myself. It = will be based on the diehl design (tail wheel version) and the reason = for that I don't just buy it like others are=20 I'm poor engineering student It will cost me about 7-800 dollars because of taxes etc. when I'll = get it where I live (Iceland) So.. if anyone could contact me off-net and make some measurements for = me, it would be great. --- Hafsteinn J=F3nasson hafstj@li.is ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C2E373.599004B0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:42:30 -0800 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: Re: KR> landing gear... Message-ID: <006b01c2e38a$22af48e0$3209eccf@peter> Hi Hafsteinn, I'm Peter Johnson in Canada. Hafsteinn, I understand your position about the Diehl gear leg costs, here in Canada they would have cost me almost $1,500 to buy! What I am using instead are the leaf springs from Chev or Pontiac vans. They are composite and I've tested them to the equivalent of 3 G's. Take a look in the newsletter archives under my name. I posted three or four emails about the legs, how to make them ready, and the load testing that I did. Hope this helps Hafsteinn.. You can contact me offline if you'd like to discuss this in more detail. Peter mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:46:15 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: B109pro@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Fly in Message-ID: --part1_a1.3519cf0c.2b982c97_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There will be an Open House at Albert Whitted (SPG) in St. Petersburg, Fl., on March 29th. If anyone is coming in early for Sun-N-Fun, April 8 - 14. EAA Chapter 47 will be on hand to help out, should you need anything. Quite a few aircraft on display, and other events as well. Skip Brooks, Pres. Chapter 47 --part1_a1.3519cf0c.2b982c97_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:32:08 -0600 To: "KRNet" From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Center stick Message-ID: <006b01c2e3a1$bb714e40$0201a8c0@computer> ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C2E36F.7059BF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My center stick assembly has not sold and I need to get building on a = dual stick so I'll sacrifice it for $100 plus shipping, (Thats half = price) or make me an offer. Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL eblocher@earthlink.net ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C2E36F.7059BF00-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:04:59 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: David Hartz Subject: TRANSPONDER FOR SALE Message-ID: <20030306070459.98641.qmail@web41301.mail.yahoo.com> I HAVE A NARCO 50 TRANSPONDER W/ENCODER COMPLETE WITH ANT. AND HARNESS I AM NOT GOING TO USE ON MY KR2 NOW AND IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED I'LL LET IT GO FOR $500. . IT WAS TESTED AND TAGGED NOVEMBER,2001 .IT'S READY TO GO!YES IT'S MODE C. DAVE HARTZ 707-684-0294 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:31:50 -0500 To: From: "Fran Giroux" Subject: Re: KR> TRANSPONDER FOR SALE Message-ID: <004701c2e3ed$20cc2800$1002a8c0@franshp> I am interested in the transponder. Please call me at 518-793-7663 or email me at hydrogen.boost@verizon.net Fran ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hartz" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 2:04 AM Subject: KR> TRANSPONDER FOR SALE > > > I HAVE A NARCO 50 TRANSPONDER W/ENCODER COMPLETE WITH > ANT. AND HARNESS I AM NOT GOING TO USE ON MY KR2 NOW > AND IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED I'LL LET IT GO FOR $500. . > IT WAS TESTED AND TAGGED NOVEMBER,2001 .IT'S READY TO > GO!YES IT'S MODE C. > DAVE HARTZ 707-684-0294 > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:13:56 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: RV Gosip Message-ID: <104.29738157.2b989584@aol.com> --part1_104.29738157.2b989584_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Today I wasted five minutes of vauable KR time Orma aka AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech --part1_104.29738157.2b989584_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:17:49 -0500 To: "KRNET" From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: Back to KR Stuff Message-ID: That Dana guy is a troublemaker. Back to the KRs. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 11:08:14 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> Back to KR Stuff Message-ID: I wouldn't have expected any less from you Ron:-). Easy gang, I know Ron. For those who take themselves waaay toooooo serious.............I apologize on my knees (right) for wasting precious valuable KR aviat....tech, mech, heck, whatever time. Now where is that picture of the four place KR, I bet that's a safe and proven design. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: "Ron Freiberger" > >That Dana guy is a troublemaker. Back to the KRs. > >Ron Freiberger >mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:16:19 -0800 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Back to KR Stuff Message-Id: <200303060816.AA286654752@jrl-engineering.com> It's all A-OK Dana, we have a composite four place KR in the Express if they are still in business. KRRon ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Dana Overall" Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 11:08:14 -0500 >I wouldn't have expected any less from you Ron:-). Easy gang, I know Ron. > >For those who take themselves waaay toooooo serious.............I apologize >on my knees (right) for wasting precious valuable KR aviat....tech, mech, >heck, whatever time. > >Now where is that picture of the four place KR, I bet that's a safe and >proven design. > > > >Dana Overall >1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host >Richmond, KY >http://rvflying.tripod.com >do not archive > > > > > >>From: "Ron Freiberger" >> >>That Dana guy is a troublemaker. Back to the KRs. >> >>Ron Freiberger >>mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com >> >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" >> >>To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> >>See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >>or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > -- Ronald R. Eason Sr. Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:42:47 -0800 To: "krnet" From: "NORMAN SEEL" Subject: 4 place Message-ID: <00a001c2e418$90c3e320$d5693f04@dslverizon.net> ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C2E3D5.823BEDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those wanting to investigate a four place plane, you might want to = look into the Vision. It's composite construction, two place, but one = person is building it as a four place. Also you will see that WW is = working up a Corvair engine for the two place. I'm not trying to be a heretic to KR people; just something = interesting. http://www.visionaircraft.com/ Norm norman.seel@verizon.net ------=_NextPart_000_009D_01C2E3D5.823BEDE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:05:55 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: WMartensJr@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> 4 place Message-ID: --part1_a2.346cf7d6.2b98d9f3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Norm, I've been following the development/production, etc., of the Vision for quite some time. The foldaplane concept is pretty interesting as it should provide for a much stronger aircraft than the average homebuilder would be able to produce using conventional composite building techniques. Trouble is I've never seen one of these aircraft in person or met anyone who has. One of these days I'll find an opportunity to visit the company and check it out. I'm not from Missouri but seeing is believing and comforting in my book. Regards, Walt PS: Wish they'd keep that damned scrolling crap off of their web site. Those of us on dialup run out of bandwidth with such minutia. In a message dated 3/6/2003 11:36:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, norman.seel@verizon.net writes: > For those wanting to investigate a four place plane, you might want to look > into the Vision. It's composite construction, two place, but one person is > building it as a four place. Also you will see that WW is working up a > Corvair engine for the two place. > > I'm not trying to be a heretic to KR people; just something interesting. > > http://www.visionaircraft.com/ --part1_a2.346cf7d6.2b98d9f3_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:11:00 -0600 To: "KRNet" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: A four place KR Message-ID: <001201c2e403$5fa3cb80$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2E3D1.11BA7EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Netters, For those of you who might be interested Ken Rand was working on = the plans for a four place KR twin when he lost his life returning home = from Sun & Fun. First offering was of course the KR-1, then the KR-2 = and his company had designed and produced a sea plane version which = never worked out. The four place twin was to be his 4th design. His = idea was to make available to home builders the cheapest four place twin = on the market. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C2E3D1.11BA7EA0-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************