From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 14 Mar 2003 03:24:43 -0000 Issue 658 Date: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:25 PM krnet Digest 14 Mar 2003 03:24:43 -0000 Issue 658 Topics (messages 15808 through 15835): Re: Metal-cutting blades in small Bandsaw? 15808 by: Fran Giroux 15817 by: Bill Higdon 15821 by: Robert Stone 15822 by: Fran Giroux 15825 by: Bill Higdon 15826 by: Robert Stone 15831 by: Bill Higdon Re: Alum. fuel tanks 15809 by: Gary Sprunger Re: EA-81 For Sale 15810 by: Gary Sprunger 15811 by: Scott Cable 15813 by: Fran Giroux 15814 by: Scott Cable 15816 by: Fran Giroux 15819 by: Scott Cable Re: Alum Fuel Tanks:welding aluminum 15812 by: Scott Cable Re: Ideas to assist short strip landings 15815 by: Jim Sellars 15818 by: Ross Youngblood 15829 by: Christian Kogelmann 15832 by: AviationMech.aol.com 15834 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout Re: Knots to MPH 15820 by: Scott Cable Re: KR 15823 by: virgnvs.juno.com Re: fuel tanks 15824 by: virgnvs.juno.com 15833 by: Edwin Blocher KR Dinner 15827 by: Frank Ross Alum Fuel Tanks 15828 by: mdlougheed.juno.com 15830 by: Dana Overall Ellison Carb for sale. 15835 by: Steve Glover Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:24:58 -0500 To: From: "Fran Giroux" Subject: Re: KR> Metal-cutting blades in small Bandsaw? Message-ID: <004a01c2e96c$541e3200$1002a8c0@franshp> Frank, I use a bandsaw every day even to cut stainless steel pipes which would ruin a hacksaw in one minute. When you go to a good industrial supply shop they will have two choices for types of metal cutting blades (not counting all the different lengths and teeth widths). One may cost you $7 and the other may cost $35. When cutting stainless the $7 blade will last 20 seconds before wearing the teeh off and the $35 blade will last 20 days of work. The good blade is well worth the price and you'll not have to worry about cutting too fast. I cut my stainless at high speed. If your time is worth anything and you don't want to spend your adult life watching a band saw cutting slow, pay the extra for a good blade and get that plane in the air before you lose your medical. Fran ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:57:55 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Bill Higdon Subject: Re: KR> Metal-cutting blades in small Bandsaw? Message-ID: <3E70AA83.8030309@attbi.com> Frank, No a reostat won't work, Depending on the motor, a large variac type of speed contorl might. Otherwise variable speed ac motors are a rather complicated story. I've seen small band saws with the motor replaced with a stepped pulley, and then another stepped pully on the motor to give you some speed selection, like you see on drill presses Bill Higdon Frank Ross wrote: > Thanks to all of you for all the information about > cutting metal with bandsaws. Especially about slowing > down the speed. Could a reostat be put on to control > the speed? > Thanks > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX > > --- NORMAN SEEL wrote: > >>Getting a blade the correct length and number of >>teeth should be no problem. However, the bandsaw >>has to run at a very slow speed, and this would be >>difficult if it had a built in motor. I used a jack >>shaft on mine and run the blade very slow. The >>blade should be kept lubricated. Best to check in a >>machinery handbook for particulars. >> >>Norm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:21:42 -0600 To: From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Metal-cutting blades in small Bandsaw? Message-ID: <001f01c2e985$0712f400$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> Frank, For cutting steel of any hardness, I use a carbide cut off wheel. They wear down fast when cutting stainless but the cost each is so cheap that it is a far better deal than using a blade that costs $35.00 and lasts only 20 days. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran Giroux" To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:24 AM Subject: Re: KR> Metal-cutting blades in small Bandsaw? > Frank, > > I use a bandsaw every day even to cut stainless steel pipes which would > ruin a hacksaw in one minute. When you go to a good industrial supply shop > they will have two choices for types of metal cutting blades (not counting > all the different lengths and teeth widths). One may cost you $7 and the > other may cost $35. When cutting stainless the $7 blade will last 20 > seconds before wearing the teeh off and the $35 blade will last 20 days of > work. The good blade is well worth the price and you'll not have to worry > about cutting too fast. I cut my stainless at high speed. If your time is > worth anything and you don't want to spend your adult life watching a band > saw cutting slow, pay the extra for a good blade and get that plane in the > air before you lose your medical. > > Fran > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:35:28 -0500 To: From: "Fran Giroux" Subject: Re: KR> Metal-cutting blades in small Bandsaw? Message-ID: <00d901c2e986$f1063300$1002a8c0@franshp> Bob, In 20 days I can cut more pipe than I can with $35 worth of grinder blades. Plus for my application the ends of the pipes must be smooth and there is so much more burr on a grinder cut pipe than on a band saw cut pipe. Plus the band saw can be set up to cut six pipes inside each other (which is what I need) and walked away from while it's cutting, where the chop saw is labor intensive. For my application the band saw is the better choice but for cutting pipe you are right in suggesting the chop saw, it is faster and cheaper in the short run. For general building of airplanes a good $35 blade is well worth the investment especially if your time is valuable. For myself I can't imagine spending 6-10 years to build a plane. The most I have ever spent is from late October til now, fairly full time (I am one week from completion). I have built four planes now. Still willing to learn, Fran ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Stone" To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 12:21 PM Subject: Re: KR> Metal-cutting blades in small Bandsaw? > Frank, > For cutting steel of any hardness, I use a carbide cut off wheel. They > wear down fast when cutting stainless but the cost each is so cheap that it > is a far better deal than using a blade that costs $35.00 and lasts only 20 > days. > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX > rstone4@hot.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fran Giroux" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:24 AM > Subject: Re: KR> Metal-cutting blades in small Bandsaw? > > > > Frank, > > > > I use a bandsaw every day even to cut stainless steel pipes which > would > > ruin a hacksaw in one minute. When you go to a good industrial supply > shop > > they will have two choices for types of metal cutting blades (not counting > > all the different lengths and teeth widths). One may cost you $7 and the > > other may cost $35. When cutting stainless the $7 blade will last 20 > > seconds before wearing the teeh off and the $35 blade will last 20 days of > > work. The good blade is well worth the price and you'll not have to worry > > about cutting too fast. I cut my stainless at high speed. If your time > is > > worth anything and you don't want to spend your adult life watching a band > > saw cutting slow, pay the extra for a good blade and get that plane in the > > air before you lose your medical. > > > > Fran > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:48:02 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Bill Higdon Subject: Re: KR> Metal-cutting blades in small Bandsaw? Message-ID: <3E70C452.3030205@attbi.com> Bob, I agree with the carbide cutoff wheels, they make short order of 1/8" & 3/16" 4130. Bill Higdon Robert Stone wrote: > Frank, > For cutting steel of any hardness, I use a carbide cut off wheel. They > wear down fast when cutting stainless but the cost each is so cheap that it > is a far better deal than using a blade that costs $35.00 and lasts only 20 > days. > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX > rstone4@hot.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fran Giroux" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:24 AM > Subject: Re: KR> Metal-cutting blades in small Bandsaw? > > > >>Frank, >> >> I use a bandsaw every day even to cut stainless steel pipes which > > would > >>ruin a hacksaw in one minute. When you go to a good industrial supply > > shop > >>they will have two choices for types of metal cutting blades (not counting >>all the different lengths and teeth widths). One may cost you $7 and the >>other may cost $35. When cutting stainless the $7 blade will last 20 >>seconds before wearing the teeh off and the $35 blade will last 20 days of >>work. The good blade is well worth the price and you'll not have to worry >>about cutting too fast. I cut my stainless at high speed. If your time > > is > >>worth anything and you don't want to spend your adult life watching a band >>saw cutting slow, pay the extra for a good blade and get that plane in the >>air before you lose your medical. >> >>Fran ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:19:26 -0600 To: From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Metal-cutting blades in small Bandsaw? Message-ID: <000a01c2e98d$17b51880$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> Bill, I made my own WAF's using carbide cut off wheels on a table saw, Grinding wheel, and drill press for the mounting and lightning holes. A hell of a lot of work but look at the money I saved. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Higdon" To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:48 AM Subject: Re: KR> Metal-cutting blades in small Bandsaw? > Bob, > I agree with the carbide cutoff wheels, they make short order of 1/8" & > 3/16" 4130. > Bill Higdon > Robert Stone wrote: > > Frank, > > For cutting steel of any hardness, I use a carbide cut off wheel. They > > wear down fast when cutting stainless but the cost each is so cheap that it > > is a far better deal than using a blade that costs $35.00 and lasts only 20 > > days. > > > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX > > rstone4@hot.rr.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fran Giroux" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:24 AM > > Subject: Re: KR> Metal-cutting blades in small Bandsaw? > > > > > > > >>Frank, > >> > >> I use a bandsaw every day even to cut stainless steel pipes which > > > > would > > > >>ruin a hacksaw in one minute. When you go to a good industrial supply > > > > shop > > > >>they will have two choices for types of metal cutting blades (not counting > >>all the different lengths and teeth widths). One may cost you $7 and the > >>other may cost $35. When cutting stainless the $7 blade will last 20 > >>seconds before wearing the teeh off and the $35 blade will last 20 days of > >>work. The good blade is well worth the price and you'll not have to worry > >>about cutting too fast. I cut my stainless at high speed. If your time > > > > is > > > >>worth anything and you don't want to spend your adult life watching a band > >>saw cutting slow, pay the extra for a good blade and get that plane in the > >>air before you lose your medical. > >> > >>Fran > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:36:26 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Bill Higdon Subject: Re: KR> Metal-cutting blades in small Bandsaw? Message-ID: <3E7107EA.4020703@attbi.com> I started with a sheet of 4130, a friend had access to a huge metal shear, which was used to cute 3/8" 4130 N. So he cut my sheet into strips, I then used the carbide blade to cut the corners a little. Then Grinding wheel and belt sander for the final shape. And yes the drill press for the holes. I'm happy with what it cost me. Bill Higdon Robert Stone wrote: > Bill, > I made my own WAF's using carbide cut off wheels on a table saw, > Grinding wheel, and drill press for the mounting and lightning holes. A > hell of a lot of work but look at the money I saved. > > Bob Stone > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Higdon" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:48 AM > Subject: Re: KR> Metal-cutting blades in small Bandsaw? > > > >>Bob, >>I agree with the carbide cutoff wheels, they make short order of 1/8" & >>3/16" 4130. >>Bill Higdon >>Robert Stone wrote: >> >>>Frank, >>> For cutting steel of any hardness, I use a carbide cut off wheel. >> > They > >>>wear down fast when cutting stainless but the cost each is so cheap that >> > it > >>>is a far better deal than using a blade that costs $35.00 and lasts only >> > 20 > >>>days. >>> >>>Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX >>>rstone4@hot.rr.com >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Fran Giroux" >>>To: >>>Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:24 AM >>>Subject: Re: KR> Metal-cutting blades in small Bandsaw? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Frank, >>>> >>>> I use a bandsaw every day even to cut stainless steel pipes which >>> >>>would >>> >>> >>>>ruin a hacksaw in one minute. When you go to a good industrial supply >>> >>>shop >>> >>> >>>>they will have two choices for types of metal cutting blades (not >>> > counting > >>>>all the different lengths and teeth widths). One may cost you $7 and >>> > the > >>>>other may cost $35. When cutting stainless the $7 blade will last 20 >>>>seconds before wearing the teeh off and the $35 blade will last 20 days >>> > of > >>>>work. The good blade is well worth the price and you'll not have to >>> > worry > >>>>about cutting too fast. I cut my stainless at high speed. If your time >>> >>>is >>> >>> >>>>worth anything and you don't want to spend your adult life watching a >>> > band > >>>>saw cutting slow, pay the extra for a good blade and get that plane in >>> > the > >>>>air before you lose your medical. >>>> >>>>Fran ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:38:26 -0700 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Gary Sprunger" Subject: Re: KR> Alum. fuel tanks Message-ID: Dana Overall was talking about wing and header tanks out of alum. I saw a Cavilier at the Naples airport recently. It is powered by 150HP Lyc and has beautiful wingtip tanks out of fiberglass. 18 gals each side. A Stan McCleod has the plans for the cAVILIER MODELS, SA-103, SA-104 & SA-105. And I believe he makes the tim tanks as well. He is in western Alberta Canada. Will double check that at 403-563-5517. I need to know if our KR2 structurally will take 18gals (100lbs) on the tip of the wing, or if is possible to have smaller tip tanks. Anyone know? Thanks G_Sprunger@msn.com, KR2 in St. Joseph, MI now. Moved from Colorado. The trailer trip was a disaster. All kinds of little repairs needed now. ________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 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G_Sprunger@msn.com From: Scott Cable Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> EA-81 For Sale Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:54:41 -0800 (PST) Netters, I have a Subaru EA-81 Turbo For Sale. The engine was purchased in 1996 from Mountain Tech ( Subaru Specialists) and has been sealed up and untouched since. Mountain Tech did a complete bottom end on the engine before it was shipped. Included is the fuel injection, turbo, computer, etc. There are also an extra set of used ( serviceable) non-turbo pistons included. Engine cost was over $1700+ shipping will take best offer over $1000. I'll make the crate and take it to whomever you want to do the shipping. Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Linden, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:51:08 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> EA-81 For Sale Message-ID: <20030313145108.52059.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> --0-273825411-1047567068=:51688 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Linden is just west of Fenton, MIor about 20 minutes south of Flint. Exit 79 or 80 on US23. Gary Sprunger wrote:Scott: I am interested. Where is Linden. I live in St.Joseph, twin city of Benton Harbor in Sw of Michigan. G_Sprunger@msn.com From: Scott Cable Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> EA-81 For Sale Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:54:41 -0800 (PST) Netters, I have a Subaru EA-81 Turbo For Sale. The engine was purchased in 1996 from Mountain Tech ( Subaru Specialists) and has been sealed up and untouched since. Mountain Tech did a complete bottom end on the engine before it was shipped. Included is the fuel injection, turbo, computer, etc. There are also an extra set of used ( serviceable) non-turbo pistons included. Engine cost was over $1700+ shipping will take best offer over $1000. I'll make the crate and take it to whomever you want to do the shipping. Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Linden, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Linden, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online --0-273825411-1047567068=:51688-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:06:03 -0500 To: From: "Fran Giroux" Subject: Re: KR> EA-81 For Sale Message-ID: <007301c2e972$11255cc0$1002a8c0@franshp> Scott, How much does this setup weigh and what is the maximum horsepower and at what rpm? I also may be interested in this engine. Fran ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cable" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:54 AM Subject: KR> EA-81 For Sale > > Netters, > > I have a Subaru EA-81 Turbo For Sale. The engine was purchased in 1996 from Mountain Tech ( Subaru Specialists) and has been sealed up and untouched since. Mountain Tech did a complete bottom end on the engine before it was shipped. Included is the fuel injection, turbo, computer, etc. There are also an extra set of used ( serviceable) non-turbo pistons included. > > Engine cost was over $1700+ shipping will take best offer over $1000. I'll make the crate and take it to whomever you want to do the shipping. > > > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Linden, MI > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:29:25 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> EA-81 For Sale Message-ID: <20030313152925.40366.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1103600764-1047569365=:39388 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Fran, Check this website out: http://www.westernaviation.bc.ca/engines.htm They list all of the specs and prices about the EA-81. The engine that I'm selling is a turbo, also included are a set of experienced non-turbo pistons which have higher compression. MOutain Tech removed this engine froma low mileage car and rebuilt the lower end. Cost of the engine was over $1700 Fran Giroux wrote:Scott, How much does this setup weigh and what is the maximum horsepower and at what rpm? I also may be interested in this engine. Fran ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cable" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:54 AM Subject: KR> EA-81 For Sale > > Netters, > > I have a Subaru EA-81 Turbo For Sale. The engine was purchased in 1996 from Mountain Tech ( Subaru Specialists) and has been sealed up and untouched since. Mountain Tech did a complete bottom end on the engine before it was shipped. Included is the fuel injection, turbo, computer, etc. There are also an extra set of used ( serviceable) non-turbo pistons included. > > Engine cost was over $1700+ shipping will take best offer over $1000. I'll make the crate and take it to whomever you want to do the shipping. > > > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Linden, MI > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Linden, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online --0-1103600764-1047569365=:39388-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:50:37 -0500 To: From: "Fran Giroux" Subject: Re: KR> EA-81 For Sale Message-ID: <008201c2e978$4b104520$1002a8c0@franshp> Scott, Now I am really confused. Is your engine an engine out of a turbocharged car or is it a turbocharged EA-81aircraft engine with reduction gear as pictured at http://www.westernaviation.bc.ca/engines.htm ? If it is a car engine what is the difference between it and the aircraft engine? Fran ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:17:00 -0800 (PST) To: hydrogen.boost@verizon.net From: Scott Cable Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> EA-81 For Sale Message-ID: <20030313161700.45525.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> --0-736138250-1047572220=:45436 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Fran, Sorry about the confusion.? I referred you to that web page so that you could get the information about horsepower and installed weight you had requested. This was for information purposes only. I am not representing anything about the engine that I offer for sale other than the fact that Mountain Tech, who are Subaru Specialists, removed the engine from a turbo charged car, and rebuilt the lower end before they shipped the engine in 1996. The engine has been sealed and in dry storage since 1996. The Aero conversion will need to be accomplished. If you look elsewhere on that website, you'll notice that NSI charges $1400 to rebuild your core. Basicly you're saving $400 + engine core charges to buy my engine. You will still need to spend the $$ to have the engine converted. (reduction unit etc.) I have paperwork and additional information that goes along with the engine at the time of sale, and of course I'll sign a bill of sale at the time of the sale for your records. Fran Giroux <> wrote:Scott, Now I am really confused. Is your engine an engine out of a turbocharged car or is it a turbocharged EA-81aircraft engine with reduction gear as pictured at http://www.westernaviation.bc.ca/engines.htm ? If it is a car engine what is the difference between it and the aircraft engine? Fran --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Linden, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online --0-736138250-1047572220=:45436-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:59:33 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> Alum Fuel Tanks:welding aluminum Message-ID: <20030313145933.41538.qmail@web40806.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1243348886-1047567573=:41484 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii According to my McDonnell Douglas Design handbook, the only types of aviation grade aluminum sheet that can be welded is 5052 & 6061series. Both loose properties after welding and require heat treatment to restore properties after welding if using anything other than T-O condition (T-3, T-6 etc).All other types of aluminum are considered unsuitable for welding for aircraft use. larry flesner wrote:>I had read that 2024 Alum is unsatisfactory for welding and that 5052 is recommended. Any comments? >Norm Seel +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I know nothing about the different alloys but if you look in the "metal" section of the Wick's catalog where they list the alum, they give you the info you need. Larry Flesner --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Linden, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online --0-1243348886-1047567573=:41484-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:30:59 -0400 To: From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Re: KR> Ideas to assist short strip landings Message-ID: <003901c2e976$782b46b0$0100a8c0@LAPTOP> Orma: What is 60 Kt in MPH? 1.3 of 50mph is 65mph. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: Re: KR> Ideas to assist short strip landings > In a message dated 03/12/2003 8:21:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, > flesner@midwest.net writes: > > > > final 60kts > > 60 kts seems high for an aircraft the stalls at apx 50 MPH. I was taught > that approach should be 1.3 times Vso. perhaps you should verify your stall > speed and practice slower approaches. > > Orma, aka aviationmech > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:07:08 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org, KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR> Ideas to assist short strip landings Message-Id: I like slips a lot. I can never seem to make a good 'low' approach, and I attribute that to my early Glider training, other than to the real reason which is poor flying technique. If you are low on approach in a glider, and somthing comes up, like a downdraft, you don't make the field. On the other hand, this technique had me ending up high and with all the stuff hanging out in Mooneys when I was flying them occasionally. Mooneys like 70kts on approach, anything more and they FLOAT down half the runway. 65kts over the numbers gets you a perfect landing every time. Slips in a Mooney are frowned upon, but my attitude was, if you keep your airspeed up on entry, and don't mess with your nose attitude you are not likely to enter a stall-spin, and you will end up where you want to be on the glideslope. This attitude worked for me, but I think there is additional risk of stall-spin when you do slips, mainly because your flying sideways and your nose attitude isn't what you may be used to for maintaining pitch attitude. The other risk in doing slips is that your fuel tanks will become unported. I'm usually not too worried about this as I figure you are slipping because you are too high, so if the engine quits, it will probably help... this is also less than sage advice, as it prevents you from doing a go-around, which was probably what I should have done in the first place instead of the slip... -- Ross 3/12/2003 5:19:37 AM, "Jim Sellars" wrote: >Guys: > What about a good low approach, followed by a slip into ground effect >right tight at the button of the field? Your sage advice please. >Best regards JIM >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Frank Dungan" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 7:00 PM >Subject: Re: KR> Ideas to assist short strip landings > > >Good comments... >The big birds deploy spoilers after one rotation of the main gear (ie at >touch down). >fd > > > >There are two approaches I would consider for "real short" field landings >in a KR. > >1) A belly board. > I have seen these that are basicly boards with holes in them. > This would greatly increase drag on the final rollout, but I fear > it might also cause some balooning... but I'm not sure as I haven't > heard how they perform. > >2) SPOILERS! > I think this would be the best way to kill lift in ground effect. > Spoilers are used on sailplanes, and kill lift. The problem with > spoilers is you get a steeper descent angle without a pitch change. > I'm thinking on a KR you might want BIG flaps to get a big camber > change on the wing, and good nose down attitude for approach, then > deploy the spoilers to pop down and kill ground effect at touchdown > time, like the big airliners do. > > The spoilers detailed in Tony Bengelis books are a good start, but if > you do some web searches, the spoilers on Mooneys are real cool. They > are electricly activated and two little "flags" with holes in them pop > up when you press the button. These are short spanwise, but seem to > work reasonably well on Mooneys. > > I think however that a good spoiler for the KR would be somthing with > about a 12" spanwise length. > > I haven't flown my KR. I'm just basing this on my experience with >Spoilers > on a Schweizer 2-33 glider, and 1-26, and also the spoilers on a Mooney >231 > on approach. The Mooney spoilers I don't think would have as much >impact in > ground effect as the spoilers on a 2-33. I would incorporate the >spoiler > deployment into brake application to simplify flying a taildragger on >the ground. > (That is my idea of an ideal situation... don't have a clue at this >point how > to implement it, unless of course you use a break light switch from a >car and > pop the spoilers electricly when you apply the brakes... you might want >a > squat switch too, to insure that the spoilers don't deploy on approach >during > a slip if you jam your feet on the brakes accidently on approach.... >complexity?) > >-- Ross > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > Ross Youngblood http://N541RY.com mailto:rossy65@attbi.com (Home) mailto:ross_youngblood@credence.com (Work) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:00:26 +0100 To: From: "Christian Kogelmann" Subject: Re: KR> Ideas to assist short strip landings Message-ID: <006e01c2e9a3$a8786a00$6d1c2e3e@aptivacomputer> Larry, your set up seems a good idea, please let me (us) know how you are getting on with the belly board. I am thinking of installing one too. This "dump some flaps" business is not to easy as I am very busy flying the airplane onto the deck. I find it very difficult to do three things with two hands at the most critical part of a KR flight. My flaps work mechanically and I have to reach over (down) and move the handle, I haven't tried to do that. (So far I have 15 flight hours on my KR-2S) As for the 60kts, I know it seems fast and I still need to verify my readings. However we did the stall tests and I have just under 50kts indicated flying solo and 55 kts indicated dual (during rain or snow the stall goes up to 58-59kts dual). 60kts seems ok at the moment but there is a possibility that I might have a reading error. Cheers Chris (OE-VPD) ----- Original Message ----- From: larry flesner To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 2:19 AM Subject: KR> Ideas to assist short strip landings > > > >Now we are back to the 660m. The approach speed we use is downwind 70, base > >65 and final 60kts. > >The approach is very low and the treshold is the target line. > >We have the RR plans flaps and on approach we fully extended them (they > >improve runway visibility but do not have the braking effect, during hot > >days they seem to extend the float over the sealed runway even longer...). > >We use wheel braking as well. If everything is perfect we need 400m only, > >however if we can't get the above speeds it is better to go around. > >Chris > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Chris, > > Once you have your flare established, dump (retract) the flaps. This will > help > to kill the float. I've done it many times with Cessnas but they had the > electric flaps. Remember, flaps are like all the other flight control > surfaces > on the aircraft. Their settings can be changed at any time when operated > within their limits and assuming you understand the consequences of > your actions. > > One of the questions the check pilot asked me some 30 years ago on > my commercial check ride concerned the use of flaps. I had set up > a full flap approach to a short field in a Cessna 150 (emergency) and > he asked me what I'd do if I realized I was landing short. My > immediate reply was "dump some flap". That was the answer he > was looking for. He said many pilots will not retract flaps on approach > once extended. Like a brain cramp or something. > > I placed a belly board on my KR. I had considered not doing so and just using > the slip on approach to short runways. In the end I realized that the slip > is only good to the point of flare. At that point you are in ground effect > and > the wing is the most efficent and that is where you need the drag for the > shorter runways that I hope to fly from. I installed an electric operated > belly board ( 9" X 30" ) that will deploy to 90 degrees down in 7 seconds. > That and a 60" prop at idle should give me considerable drag on approach. > I hope to be testing it this summer !! > > Larry Flesner > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:14:30 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Ideas to assist short strip landings Message-ID: <15.c81ecd2.2ba278e6@aol.com> --part1_15.c81ecd2.2ba278e6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/13/2003 10:58:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, jsellars@auracom.com writes: > What is 60 Kt in MPH? My Aircraft Technical Dictionary says that I Knot is equal to 1.1508 statute MPH. 60 Knots equals 69.048 statute MPH. Keep in mind it's me saying 50, your actual stall speed could be lower or higher. The cover of my KR-2 plans says 42 MPH, but there again, the prototype weighed in at only 450 lbs. the product of 1.3 times a 42 MPH stall is only 54 MPH. On approach, once I'm sure I can make the runway numbers without additional power, I start slowing to reach closer to my stall speed prior to touch down. The first 50 hours more or less will be spent learning to fly the KR. Learning to land on short fields does take a lot of practice as well as knowing and trusting your planes stall performance. Orma aka AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech --part1_15.c81ecd2.2ba278e6_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:59:10 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: Re: KR> Ideas to assist short strip landings Message-ID: <20030313.215911.2456.0.klw1953@juno.com> I gotta throw in my 2 cents here, my 2s stalls around 48-50 mph, that being said at 1.3 times 50=65 or so and prior to adding my belly board there was no way I could slow down to a speed like that on final with out the nose coming up so high that I couldn't see the runway at all. I just installed the board so I won't know how it works till May. I routinely flew final at 80mph and chopped the power over the numbers, and waited forever to get the wheels on the ground. 6399U On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:00:26 +0100 "Christian Kogelmann" writes: > Larry, > > your set up seems a good idea, please let me (us) know how you are > getting > on with the belly board. > I am thinking of installing one too. > > This "dump some flaps" business is not to easy as I am very busy > flying the > airplane onto the deck. I find it very difficult to do three things > with two > hands at the most critical part of a KR flight. > My flaps work mechanically and I have to reach over (down) and move > the > handle, I haven't tried to do that. (So far I have 15 flight hours > on my > KR-2S) > > As for the 60kts, I know it seems fast and I still need to verify > my > readings. However we did the stall tests and I have just under > 50kts > indicated flying solo and 55 kts indicated dual (during rain or snow > the > stall goes up to 58-59kts dual). > 60kts seems ok at the moment but there is a possibility that I might > have a > reading error. > > Cheers > Chris > (OE-VPD) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: larry flesner > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 2:19 AM > Subject: KR> Ideas to assist short strip landings > > > > > > > >Now we are back to the 660m. The approach speed we use is > downwind 70, > base > > >65 and final 60kts. > > >The approach is very low and the treshold is the target line. > > >We have the RR plans flaps and on approach we fully extended them > (they > > >improve runway visibility but do not have the braking effect, > during hot > > >days they seem to extend the float over the sealed runway even > longer...). > > >We use wheel braking as well. If everything is perfect we need > 400m only, > > >however if we can't get the above speeds it is better to go > around. > > >Chris > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > Chris, > > > > Once you have your flare established, dump (retract) the flaps. > This will > > help > > to kill the float. I've done it many times with Cessnas but they > had the > > electric flaps. Remember, flaps are like all the other flight > control > > surfaces > > on the aircraft. Their settings can be changed at any time when > operated > > within their limits and assuming you understand the consequences > of > > your actions. > > > > One of the questions the check pilot asked me some 30 years ago > on > > my commercial check ride concerned the use of flaps. I had set > up > > a full flap approach to a short field in a Cessna 150 (emergency) > and > > he asked me what I'd do if I realized I was landing short. My > > immediate reply was "dump some flap". That was the answer he > > was looking for. He said many pilots will not retract flaps on > approach > > once extended. Like a brain cramp or something. > > > > I placed a belly board on my KR. I had considered not doing so > and just > using > > the slip on approach to short runways. In the end I realized that > the > slip > > is only good to the point of flare. At that point you are in > ground > effect > > and > > the wing is the most efficent and that is where you need the drag > for the > > shorter runways that I hope to fly from. I installed an electric > operated > > belly board ( 9" X 30" ) that will deploy to 90 degrees down in 7 > seconds. > > That and a 60" prop at idle should give me considerable drag on > approach. > > I hope to be testing it this summer !! > > > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:47:30 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: Knots to MPH Message-ID: <20030313164730.58422.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> --0-2019628938-1047574050=:57867 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii to convert Knots to MPH multipy knots x 1.152 so.... 60kts x 1.152 = 69.12 mph Jim Sellars wrote:Orma: What is 60 Kt in MPH? 1.3 of 50mph is 65mph. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: Re: KR> Ideas to assist short strip landings > In a message dated 03/12/2003 8:21:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, > flesner@midwest.net writes: > > > > final 60kts > > 60 kts seems high for an aircraft the stalls at apx 50 MPH. I was taught > that approach should be 1.3 times Vso. perhaps you should verify your stall > speed and practice slower approaches. > > Orma, aka aviationmech > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Linden, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online --0-2019628938-1047574050=:57867-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:40:50 -0500 To: rossy65@attbi.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR Message-ID: <20030313.124356.-336855.6.virgnvs@juno.com> Engine for sale. Friend of mine has an A-65 dismantled, ready to assemble. Contact him, Not me at 305-606-2352 Cell, Virg On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:29:08 -0800 Ross Youngblood writes: > Dana, > This is a terrific Idea... Thanks! > > > > 2/22/2003 5:02:47 AM, "Dana Overall" wrote: > > >On a fixed pitch prop, you first of all are going to have to find > the right > >prop that gets you the RPMs you want. Sounds like I am > contradicting myself > >but I'm not. You don't want to way under or way over your desired > red line > >RPMs. That is difficult with wood props because the same pitched > prop from > >the same manufacturer is inherently different each time. > > > >When you hear people talk of 75% power, the easiest way to > reference that is > >climb to 8000. Now you could get real complicated now and do > pressure > >altitude calculations but then at other altitudes on different days > your > >readings would be different. This will get you in the ballpark. > Level off > >and apply full power. Allow everything to stabilize and look at > MP. At > >8000' you can't get anymore than 75% power. As you descend, your > MP will > >increase by 1" per 1000 feet. So.....at 6000', on that same day, a > reduced > >power setting will be required to maintain a 75% power setting. I > use the > >75% because it is a standard setting along with the 8000' mark. > Anything > >above 8000' you cannot achieve anything greater than 75% unless you > go > >turbo, thus the turbo is maintaining as high a MP as possible until > it > >finally runs out. They great thing about maintaining a given MP is > you know > >your power setting a given fuel usage for that power. An added > benefit is > >you are able to maintain a given power setting on your descent so > as to aid > >in not shock cooling your engine. Add this to the fact that most > engines > >like to be leaned at anything below 75% power, remember lean on > climb, > >richen on descent. Great, inexpensive and easy to use engine > moniter. > > > ke I said, a MP gauge is not just for constant speed props. If you > >install one, you will use it more than you will the tach. > > > > > > > >Dana Overall > >Richmond, KY > >http://rvflying.tripod.com > >do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "Dan Heath" > >>Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org > >>To: > >>Subject: Re: KR> RPM > >>Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:13:30 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) > >> > >>Dana, > >> > >>What indicates 100%, 75%..... on the MP? > >> > >>N64KR > >> > >>Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > >> > >>DanRH@KR-Builder.org > >> > >>See you in Red Oak - 2003 > >> > >> > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > Ross Youngblood > http://N541RY.com > mailto:rossy65@attbi.com (Home) > mailto:ross_youngblood@credence.com (Work) > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:24:09 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> fuel tanks Message-ID: <20030313.124356.-336855.2.virgnvs@juno.com> KR Dinner Friday night, Holiday Inn South, 7 PM,$16.00 Per. Virg On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:33:25 -0600 "Edwin Blocher" writes: > Virg, > Which din-din? > I'll be driving down (8 hours) Friday and don't want to spend the > $25 to get > in that late in the day. I have never been to Sun N Fun so I don't > know > whats going on. > ED > Ed Blocher > Santa Rosa Beach, FL > eblocher@earthlink.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:14 AM > Subject: Re: KR> fuel tanks > > > > U MISS de dinn-dinn Friday nite,?? > > Virg > > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:01:29 -0600 "Edwin Blocher" > > writes: > > > Ask Jeeves or search Google for Marine aluminum fuel tanks. > > > Or::Atlantic Coast Welding, Inc (800-434-TANK) will make any > size > > > any shape. Tested and built to U.S.C.G Spec. > > > Ed Blocher > > > Santa Rosa Beach, FL > > > eblocher@earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL > > WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:03:35 -0600 To: From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> fuel tanks Message-ID: <00ad01c2e9c5$8a95d6e0$0201a8c0@computer> Need reservation?? ED Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL eblocher@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:24 AM Subject: Re: KR> fuel tanks > KR Dinner Friday night, Holiday Inn South, 7 PM,$16.00 Per. > Virg > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:33:25 -0600 "Edwin Blocher" > writes: > > Virg, > > Which din-din? > > I'll be driving down (8 hours) Friday and don't want to spend the > > $25 to get > > in that late in the day. I have never been to Sun N Fun so I don't > > know > > whats going on. > > ED > > Ed Blocher > > Santa Rosa Beach, FL > > eblocher@earthlink.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:14 AM > > Subject: Re: KR> fuel tanks > > > > > > > U MISS de dinn-dinn Friday nite,?? > > > Virg > > > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:01:29 -0600 "Edwin Blocher" > > > writes: > > > > Ask Jeeves or search Google for Marine aluminum fuel tanks. > > > > Or::Atlantic Coast Welding, Inc (800-434-TANK) will make any > > size > > > > any shape. Tested and built to U.S.C.G Spec. > > > > Ed Blocher > > > > Santa Rosa Beach, FL > > > > eblocher@earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL > > > WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > > all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > > all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL > WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:20:16 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: KR Dinner Message-ID: <20030313202016.57269.qmail@web40911.mail.yahoo.com> Virg, Do you remember what exit to take off I-4 to get to Holiday Inn South and what street it's on? That might help people who haven't been there before or don't know their way around. Thanks Frank --- virgnvs@juno.com wrote: > KR Dinner Friday night, Holiday Inn South, 7 > PM,$16.00 Per. > Virg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:25:15 GMT To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: mdlougheed@juno.com Subject: Alum Fuel Tanks Message-Id: <20030313.152522.18965.7779@webmail6.nyc.untd.com> For this application 2024 is not recommend (IMHO) For our alum. boat fuel tanks we use 5086 - not available in the thin guages. For this application I would say 6061-T6 or 6061-T651 or 5052-H32. 5052 would be the preffered choice since it is more corrosion resistant than 6061. Whatever you do don't use "O" (oh) condition materials - that's the annealed condition and is too weak without naturally or artificially aging it to the T6 condition. We use 5356 MIG wire with an Argon gas shield. I don't advocate welding aluminium without a gas shield (oxygen displacer) - the weld quality and porosity are terrible without it. TIG would be the preffered processes since you can do tighter and smaller puddle spacing with it. My two cents (in a long while) Mark D. Lougheed Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:16:52 -0500 >From: "NORMAN SEEL" >Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org >To: "krnet" >Subject: KR> Alum Fuel Tanks (Dana Overall) >Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:26:41 -0800 > >I had read that 2024 Alum is unsatisfactory for welding and that 5052 is >recommended. Any comments? > >Norm Seel norman.seel@verizon.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:14:38 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> Alum Fuel Tanks Message-ID: >From: mdlougheed@juno.com >For this application 2024 is not recommend (IMHO) > >For our alum. boat fuel tanks we use 5086 - not available in the thin >guages. > >For this application I would say 6061-T6 or 6061-T651 or 5052-H32. 5052 >would be the preffered choice since it is more corrosion resistant than >6061. I'm just going by what Van's supplies as the leading edge wing tank skin. This is 2024 T3 Alclad .032. Interior ribs and stiffeners are used to add structure yet keep the weight down. Dana Overall Richmond, KY http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:24:57 -0800 To: From: "Steve Glover" Subject: Ellison Carb for sale. Message-ID: <002401c2e9d9$49cc5c60$c18afea9@IntelliSpec> ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C2E996.3B7959D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Netter's, I have anEllison EFS-2 for sale. It is currently flying on my KR-2. It = comes with a new CA 169PL2 filter as recommended by Ellison. = Considering new are around $600.00, I think $275.00 is a fair number. I also have a Narco AT 150 transponder that is like new. It has been = bench tested to ensure good operation. Complete with tray, connector, = and encoder. $725.00 OBO. 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