From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 15 Mar 2003 16:52:05 -0000 Issue 660 Date: Saturday, March 15, 2003 9:52 AM krnet Digest 15 Mar 2003 16:52:05 -0000 Issue 660 Topics (messages 15866 through 15878): Re: Friction cutting 15866 by: Ron Eason 15869 by: Dan Heath 15872 by: Kevin KR plaque 15867 by: Tim Brown Re: New plans owner. 15868 by: Justin 15870 by: Alexander Birca (RMD) 15871 by: Kevin Re: KR Dinner 15873 by: Bilashley.aol.com 15874 by: RFG842.aol.com My Plan 15875 by: Ron Freiberger Re: definition of a troll - major RANT alert! 15876 by: Robert Stone 15878 by: cartera Engine Run 15877 by: Mark Jones Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:13:57 -0800 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: Fw: KR> Friction cutting Message-Id: <200303142113.AA1095500070@jrl-engineering.com> Friction cutting works very well but you may need a industrial grade, 1.2" blade saw, that's what I have used, Never tried a small one. Speeds must be 3000 fpm plus or minus. Ron ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "NORMAN SEEL" Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:48:28 -0800 >There was an article in SA several years back on friction cutting with a >bandsaw It said you could cut anything, even a file. I rigged up a 12 inch >bandsaw to run at the recommended speed, which is very fast. Even though I >glued on the rubber tires, they flew off from centrifugal force. My >conclusion was that at least a 14 inch bandsaw would be required to get the >wheel speed down. It is a great idea, and I'm sure would do the job if done >right. >Norm > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Eric Evezard" >To: "KR MAIL" >Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:11 AM >Subject: KR> Friction cutting > > >Hi Netters, >Has any netter tried friction cuttng 4130 ? It appears the blade is put on >the bandsaw backwards and the cut is done with the blunt side of the >blade,the saw revs increased. >Best Regards, >Eric Evezard > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > -- Ronald R. Eason Sr. Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 07:18:02 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: Fw: KR> Friction cutting Message-Id: <3E73442A.000078.01184@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_2IQS7NS712S000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I need to cut metal, I use an abrasive wheel for cutting metal, on m= y radial arm saw. I clamp the material in place and use the saw to work th= e wheel through the material. Sometimes I can just use the height adjustme= nt to drop the wheel down, sometimes I cross cut and sometimes a combination= of both works. It is very easy to do once you figure out how to clamp your piece of work in place and the wheel only costs around $5.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Friday, March 14, 2003 09:13:54 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: Fw: KR> Friction cutting=0D =0D Friction cutting works very well but you may need a industrial grade, 1.2= " blade saw, that's what I have used, Never tried a small one. Speeds must = be 3000 fpm plus or minus.=0D =0D Ron=0D =0D ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------=0D From: "NORMAN SEEL" =0D Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:48:28 -0800=0D =0D >There was an article in SA several years back on friction cutting with a= =0D >bandsaw It said you could cut anything, even a file. I rigged up a 12 in= ch=0D >bandsaw to run at the recommended speed, which is very fast. Even though= I=0D >glued on the rubber tires, they flew off from centrifugal force. My=0D >conclusion was that at least a 14 inch bandsaw would be required to get = the=0D >wheel speed down. It is a great idea, and I'm sure would do the job if d= one=0D >right.=0D >Norm=0D >=0D >----- Original Message -----=0D >From: "Eric Evezard" =0D >To: "KR MAIL" =0D >Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:11 AM=0D >Subject: KR> Friction cutting=0D >=0D >=0D >Hi Netters,=0D >Has any netter tried friction cuttng 4130 ? It appears the blade is put = on=0D >the bandsaw backwards and the cut is done with the blunt side of the=0D >blade,the saw revs increased.=0D >Best Regards,=0D >Eric Evezard=0D >=0D >=0D >---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D >=0D >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D >=0D >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D >=0D >=0D =0D --=0D Ronald R. Eason Sr.=0D Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office=0D J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd.=0D 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. =0D Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia=0D Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com=0D =0D --=0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_2IQS7NS712S000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 05:53:30 -0500 (EST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org, ron@jrl-engineering.com From: Kevin Subject: Re: Re: Fw: KR> Friction cutting Message-ID: <5835854.1047736421947.JavaMail.nobody@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> I have never heard of friction cutting. I did read something about friction welding. I believe it was in a NASA booth at Oshkosh. I think this technique is used for rocket bodies. Kevin. -------Original Message------- From: Ron Eason Sent: 03/15/03 12:13 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: Fw: KR> Friction cutting > > Friction cutting works very well but you may need a industrial grade, 1.2" blade saw, that's what I have used, Never tried a small one. Speeds must be 3000 fpm plus or minus. Ron ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "NORMAN SEEL" Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:48:28 -0800 >There was an article in SA several years back on friction cutting with a >bandsaw It said you could cut anything, even a file. I rigged up a 12 inch >bandsaw to run at the recommended speed, which is very fast. Even though I >glued on the rubber tires, they flew off from centrifugal force. My >conclusion was that at least a 14 inch bandsaw would be required to get the >wheel speed down. It is a great idea, and I'm sure would do the job if done >right. >Norm > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Eric Evezard" >To: "KR MAIL" >Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:11 AM >Subject: KR> Friction cutting > > >Hi Netters, >Has any netter tried friction cuttng 4130 ? It appears the blade is put on >the bandsaw backwards and the cut is done with the blunt side of the >blade,the saw revs increased. >Best Regards, >Eric Evezard > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > -- Ronald R. Eason Sr. Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:02:20 -0800 (PST) To: Group KR NET From: Tim Brown Subject: KR plaque Message-ID: <20030315060220.13538.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com> Congratulations Mark on bringing this all together. I know it took a lot of effort and work to get the donations and to get this accomplished. We all owe you a great big THANKS. Tim __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:42:23 -0600 To: From: "Justin" Subject: Re: KR> New plans owner. Message-ID: <001201c2eabe$09034410$dcda1818@computer> DONT use partical board. Even the cheapest wood will work better then that crap. I know from experence that partical board doent hold up well in strength. For my gusset clamps I used a "cam" design so i can control the strength and if there was alot of orce the screw would start to come out. When joining the 2 sides togetehr there was alot of pressure. My table was made from MSD I think it is called, was only $8 for a 4X8X1 Another suggestion, Dont plywood skin your fuselage until it is done witht he boat stage. If you order the plywood in advace you can trace all the lines to elemiate other problems with putting it on later. It is so much easyer to work with the fuselage with the skin off. Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cable" To: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 2:47 PM Subject: Re: KR> New plans owner. > > Shahar, > Heh Congratulations! The first thing to do is to sit down and read the assembly manual. Pull out the drawings and study them where the manual referrs to a drawing. Put your drawings on a nice large flat surface with really good lighting. > After you have read completely from cover to cover the assembly manual, the first thing you need to build is a build table. > I made mine from 5'x10'x 1"thick particle board mounted to legs from a large folding table and a 2x6 frame. > Read the manual at least 2 times. > Good Luck. > PS Don't forget your drafting manual and drafting tools. > volucer wrote:BODY { MARGIN-TOP: 20px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 50px; COLOR: #006666; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica}Hi Guy's,I got the KR2 plans today, hope to be busy for a while.Any suggestions for start-up? I will accept all.73, > Dr. Shahar Tsabari > Tel. +39.0365.761000 > Fax +39.0365.761900 > > > > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Linden, MI > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:33:31 +0100 To: "'KRnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "Alexander Birca (RMD)" Subject: RE: KR> New plans owner. Message-ID: <9CC6CC2973F2D211B3580008C70DB2D205BDDC4A@eatvint903.dsa.ericsson.se> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2EAF7.31898334 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Congratulation Shahar. Are you Radio-amateur? If so, than it is clear why 73! Alex Birca -----Original Message----- From: volucer [mailto:volucer@tin.it] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:27 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> New plans owner. Hi Guy's, I got the KR2 plans today, hope to be busy for a while. Any suggestions for start-up? I will accept all. 73, Dr. Shahar Tsabari Tel. +39.0365.761000 Fax +39.0365.761900 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2EAF7.31898334-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 05:51:09 -0500 (EST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Kevin Subject: Re: Re: KR> New plans owner. Message-ID: <5680740.1047736280560.JavaMail.nobody@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> When using epoxy, I don't believe high pressure is needed. Good contact with the adjoining surface is the main concern. Kevin. -------Original Message------- From: Justin Sent: 03/15/03 01:42 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> New plans owner. > > DONT use partical board. Even the cheapest wood will work better then that crap. I know from experence that partical board doent hold up well in strength. For my gusset clamps I used a "cam" design so i can control the strength and if there was alot of orce the screw would start to come out. When joining the 2 sides togetehr there was alot of pressure. My table was made from MSD I think it is called, was only $8 for a 4X8X1 Another suggestion, Dont plywood skin your fuselage until it is done witht he boat stage. If you order the plywood in advace you can trace all the lines to elemiate other problems with putting it on later. It is so much easyer to work with the fuselage with the skin off. Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cable" To: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 2:47 PM Subject: Re: KR> New plans owner. > > Shahar, > Heh Congratulations! The first thing to do is to sit down and read the assembly manual. Pull out the drawings and study them where the manual referrs to a drawing. Put your drawings on a nice large flat surface with really good lighting. > After you have read completely from cover to cover the assembly manual, the first thing you need to build is a build table. > I made mine from 5'x10'x 1"thick particle board mounted to legs from a large folding table and a 2x6 frame. > Read the manual at least 2 times. > Good Luck. > PS Don't forget your drafting manual and drafting tools. > volucer wrote:BODY { MARGIN-TOP: 20px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 50px; COLOR: #006666; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica}Hi Guy's,I got the KR2 plans today, hope to be busy for a while.Any suggestions for start-up? I will accept all.73, > Dr. Shahar Tsabari > Tel. +39.0365.761000 > Fax +39.0365.761900 > > > > Scott Cable > KR-2S # 735 > Linden, MI > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:03:51 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Bilashley@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> KR Dinner Message-ID: <1d4.53ad945.2ba48cc7@aol.com> --part1_1d4.53ad945.2ba48cc7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Listen guys if you are traveling east or west on I-4 get off old exit 18 and go south you will be on 98. it will be N. fla. avenue and when you go to an intersection called memioral blvd go straight thru. it, listen guys watch your speed because the cops are butts wipes they love giving tickets and if you are pulling a trailer make sure all your lights are working they just got alot of young cops.anyway N.Fl. turns in to S. Fl. I have lived here all my life Its not to hard to find your way around here in Lakeland hope this helps you out --part1_1d4.53ad945.2ba48cc7_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:24:14 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: RFG842@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> KR Dinner Message-ID: <189.16e1cbb0.2ba4918e@aol.com> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:56:53 -0500 To: , "Mark Langford" From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: My Plan Message-ID: Here's my plan, maybe other will concur... Put a search for josandt@netzero.com in my spaminator and terminate his correspondence. Mark, you're more patient than I, I didn't read to the end of the message string. BTW, if anyone wants to pray for me, send it to your Prayer list, not the KR Network. I'll bet Doctor JOSANDT is a doctor of Bullshit Languages, or some other arcane field. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford [mailto:langford@hiwaay.net] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 11:15 PM To: CorvAircraft@mailinglists.org Cc: krnet Subject: KR> definition of a troll - major RANT alert! VairHeads, As many of you know, I'm the administrator of both KRNet and CorvAircraft, and am expected to keep the lists focused on their missions, which is the building and flying of KR aircraft and CorvAircraft engines. By most accounts, I do OK at it. The string of messages below outlines an exchange that I've had with someone apparently named Dr. John Sandt, email address josandt@netzero.net, over the past week. I publish it here for your information, and more importantly, ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:28:24 -0600 To: , "Mark Langford" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> definition of a troll - major RANT alert! Message-ID: <002501c2eb0f$e9e30000$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> Mark, After having read all of the exchange between you and the Jackass I now firmly believe you have more patients than a Chinaman and I have heard they are the most patient people on this earth. I would have removed him at once from all lists and told to kiss my (well you know where) and promptly forgot he exists. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: Cc: "krnet" Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:14 PM Subject: KR> definition of a troll - major RANT alert! > VairHeads, > > As many of you know, I'm the administrator of both KRNet and CorvAircraft, > and am expected to keep the lists focused on their missions, which is the > building and flying of KR aircraft and CorvAircraft engines. By most > accounts, I do OK at it. > > The string of messages below outlines an exchange that I've had with someone > apparently named Dr. John Sandt, email address josandt@netzero.net, over the > past week. I publish it here for your information, and more importantly, > because I'm mad as hell and won't take it anymore. I don't want this to > generate a bunch of messages on the list, so if you have a comment, please > offer it to either me or Dr. Sandt directly, rather than to the list. I > think the messages speak for themselves. If you don't have 10 minutes to > read them, please disregard the following and hit the delete key. I'll just > go ahead and apologize for the waste of bandwidth now. My wife says I > shouldn't even send it to the list, because "who cares, other than you" (and > she's absolutely right), but surely I can get away with just one message > about this character. > > You may remember that on February 3rd, a cyptic message appeared on > CorvAircraft that was attributed to the work of a "troll", one who incites > anger on email lists for the pure joy of it. Here's the history of where > that comment came from, and the unpleasant exchange that has resulted. > > Originally, somebody posted two messages to KRNet. One was calling for a > national day of prayer, and the other was a hoax message purportedly from > some kid who was "doing a science project to see how fast email travels", an > obvious effort from a spammer to gather email addresses from the > unsuspecting. Another clown had also sent some silliness regarding Dr. > Seuss at about the same time. This kind of stuff has no place on either > KRnet or CorvAircraft, and I privately emailed both subscribers to refrain > from forwarding that sort of mail to the list. Meanwhile, several other > netters commented to the list that such "submissions" were inappropriate on > KRnet. I'll pick up after several folks made fairly innocuous "this > doesn't belong here" type messages. You be the judge about the following > comments. I think Dr. Sandt's words speak for themselves. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------------- > > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 3:32 PM > Subject: KR> Re:RE: KR> Fw: your help needed > > > > Wrong. It's sent because someone cares and has an honest desire to do > right, be right, think right, live right, and help others. (As opposed to > your nonsense.) His was from the heart. Most people do not object to others > who feel the need to speak from the heart. John > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > -------------- > > From: "Edwin Blocher" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Re:RE: KR> Fw: your help needed > > > > John, > > Who the He%$ are you? > > Mark, > > Here is another one who doesn't know what this net is for. > > Just to keep it lega,I am looking for a nose gear. I think I'll go wit a > try > > gear. Still need to sell center steck assy.. > > ED > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 4:37 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Re:RE: KR> Fw: your help needed > > > > This is simply NOT the place for mass "please forward to everyone you > know" > > mailings of any kind. What if all 600 people on this list sent just one > > such message each week? That means you'd have to sift through 86 such > > messages every DAY, looking for the answer to whatever KR question it was > > that you asked. I feel sure there are hundreds of email lists you could > get > > on that would flood your mailbox with warm caring messages from the heart, > > but as long as I'm in charge, KRnet isn't gonna be one of 'em... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 5:34 PM > Subject: Sorry > > > > Mark, Sorry. I hate all the junk that gets posted, too. I'm the new guy so > I will mark that one up to my "one free stupid mistake." Thanks for keeping > us honest. John P.S. When you hear from Ed again, tell him thanks for > his charm. I don't mind being corrected, but one doesn't have to be an > ass&^$% about it. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------------- > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 6:46 PM > Subject: Re: Sorry > > > > No problem. I didn't mention your name in my reply, just to try to soften > > it a bit. > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------------ > > > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 12:28 AM > Subject: CorvAircraft> One departure > > > > Adios! > > > > Shortly after the Columbia tragedy, someone posted a thoughtful piece > about > > prayer. It seemed to me an appropriate thought. He was flamed by the > > members of this net because he was "off-topic." I supported him and was > > flamed as well. > > > > I've been a pilot for 25 years and have always considered pilots to be a > > breed apart. They have always been courteous and honorable. That is, I > > thought that until I met the new breed that resides here. America's > > greatest and most heroic pilots were killed, yet the politically correct > > zealots refused to allow any tribute because it might interfere with the > > incredibly important business of TALKING about building engines. I am > > ashamed to be associated with such a group, so I'll get off the list. "Ed" > > seems to think that it only exists for the know-it-alls anyway. No new > > blood required. Well, you can have it Ed. You and those like yourself. > > > > Next time I see some rude SOB in my rear view mirror flipping me the > > finger, I'll think of you Ed. Actually, I'll think of this group. The > group > > that thinks it's petty newsletter is too important to "waste time" > thinking > > about anything bigger than a chunk of tin. > > > > Adios! Make sure to tell them what a piece of crud I was, Ed! > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ----------------- > > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:07 AM > Subject: KR> Fwd: CorvAircraft> One departure > > > > > > John, > > > > You're a little confused, aren't you? You sent the message below to the > > CorvAircraft list, but I believe your beef was with KRnet. I noticed you > > recently asked questions on CorvAircraft that, when answered, would have > > helped you to build a reliable engine for your aircraft. But now you're > > "mad at the world" and have unsubscribed from both lists. KRnet is here > to > > help people build and fly KR aircraft safely, and CorvAircraft is here to > > help people build safe, reliable aircraft engines. The "petty newsletter" > > you refer to was also created to help people build and fly their KR > aircraft > > more safely and efficiently, and has it's roots in an invaluable > collection > > of 27 years of informative how-to articles regarding the construction of > KR > > aircraft. Believe it or not, there are some of us who go way out of our > > way to help others in these endeavors, which for some of us, is our idea > of > > doing good for others, mostly total strangers. That's why we're all here. > > > > Then again, some people's idea of doing good is to hit the "forward" > button > > and then the "to everyone in address book". That's fine, as long as KRnet > > or CorvAircraft are not in your addressbook, and we don't have to put up > > with it. If we wanted to trade warm, meaningful messages from the heart, > > we'd all be on one of the other many mailinglists who's main purpose that > > would serve. > > > > By wearing your feelings on your sleeve and getting all worked up over > your > > perception of what is "good" and what (and where) is inappropriate, you've > > now deprived yourself of all of this expert help, from people who have > "been > > there, done that", and who's only selfless goal is to help others. I > guess > > we all have our own ideas about what's right, what's wrong, what's > helpful, > > and what's not... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > --------------- > > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:13 PM > Subject: Re:Fwd: CorvAircraft> One departure > > > > MR. Langford, Please convey my apologies to the Corvaircraft group. They > appear to be a fine group - very helpful and cooperative. If it's not a > hassle please allow me this last post there, though I've quit both this and > the KR net group (the offensive group - may they fly Home Depot plywood). > John > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > --------------- > > 5 weeks later, I get the following cryptic message: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > --------------- > > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 9:41 PM > Subject: Fw:failure notice > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > > > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mailinglists.org. > > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following > addresses. > > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > > > > : > > Sorry, only subscribers may post. If you are a subscriber, please forward > this message to corvaircraft-owner@mailinglists.org to get your new address > included (#5.7.2) > > > > --- Below this line is a copy of the message. > > > > Return-Path: > > Received: (qmail 17490 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2003 03:04:31 -0000... > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ----------------------- > > Before I even had a chance to read the above message, I received the > following one: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ----------------------- > > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:22 PM > Subject: Blacklisted for "non-zealot" status? > > > > Just wondering if I've been banned from posting because of my > "non-politically-correct-zealot" status. Hopefully, a computer glitch, and > not a lunatic twitch. McCarthyism is supposed to be dead - the only ones > still practicing it are the politically-correct loonies. Tell me we don't > have that problem on a "Corvair talk only" list. God help us all if we do. > John > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------------------------ > > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 9:16 AM > Subject: Re: Blacklisted for "non-zealot" status? > > > > John, > > > > Chill out. I assure you that no censorship or McCarthyism is going on. > > This is the first I've heard of this. I've just deleted you from the list > > and recreated you, and added you the the digest list, which should ensure > > that you have two chances to send mail to the list. If you still have > > problems, let me know, but problems with this list are very rare (haven't > > had one until this one). Just for kicks, see if you can send a message to > > tetnet@mailinglists.org . It's a test list with nobody on it but me and > > you. > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------------------------------ > > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 11:38 AM > Subject: Re:Re: Blacklisted for "non-zealot" status? > > > > Mr. Langford, Are you sure I qualify for TWO opportunities to post? > > Like I said, McCarthyism is alive and well. You undoubtedly have your > doctorate in some form of engineering, or at least have substantial progress > toward same. Mine is in the law, and I'm ashamed that freedom of speech is > being trivialized by the elitists. There is no excuse whatsoever for it. I'm > sure that you are standing by with some lame excuse as to how the TWO > opportunities to post are just temporary, or for testing purposes, or some > other nonsense. I no longer care much what you do....allow me (as your royal > subject) to continue to participate or not. Doesn't matter. Please get over > yourself and function as a true intellectual. And try to remember that > freedom of speech matters in all arenas, even this trivial one. John > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------------------------------- > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:13 PM > Subject: Re: Re:Re: Blacklisted for "non-zealot" status? > > > > John, > > > > You don't understand. I haven't done anything to your account, EVER. I > > don't even have the "deny access" feature turned on, so I couldn't deny > your > > ability to post if I wanted to. If there is a problem with your ability > to > > post to CorvAircraft, it's not from something that I have done or am > doing. > > Almost without exception, problems that people have with either KRNet or > > CorvAircraft are problems on THIER end, not the mailinglist end (although > > I'll admit that the message you forwarded me sure looks like a > CorvAircraft > > problem). > > > > I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I am not trying to keep you from posting > > to CorvAircraft. This morning I deleted you from CorvAircraft and then > > recreated your address, in an effort to SOLVE your problem, nothing more, > > nothing less. I then created an account on another list at > mailinglists.org > > in an attempt to help troubleshoot your problem, but you haven't even > tried > > it, preferring to launch a preemptive strike at me instead, convinced of > my > > insincerity. You may be a lawyer, but you're also a paranoid jerk with a > > big chip on your shoulder, convinced that everybody else in the world is > out > > to get you and screw you in some way. So at this point, I don't really > care > > if you can post or not! I don't know if you're a > > "non-politically-correct-zealot" or not, but I can already tell that > you're > > not the kind of person that I want anything to do with, under any > > circumstances! > > > > John, you need to stand back and take a long look at yourself in the > mirror > > and question why you are so quick to assume that I'm deliberately screwing > > you in some way, rather than a plain old random technical quirk. In > short, > > you need professional mental therapy... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > --------------------- > > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 3:34 PM > Subject: Re:Re: Re:Re: Blacklisted for "non-zealot" status? > > > > Langford, If you question where my attitude came from, better go back > and review the treatment you gave me when the problem began. Remember - when > you originally gave me your politically correct diatribe about how any > sentimentality towards America's fallen heroes was politically incorrect and > had no place on your website. If that's not political-correctness > fanaticism, what is?!! You are the one in need of therapy. > > Only, the problem is, the kind of therapy you need has to do with your > weird political persuasion, and even a therapist cannot help you there. > Since your obvious intent was, and is, to keep me off the website, stop > making lame excuses, be the weasel that you really are, and just kick me > out. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------------------------ > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 5:26 PM > Subject: Re: Re:Re: Re:Re: Blacklisted for "non-zealot" status? > > > > John, > > > > If you'd like to unsubscribe from CorvAircraft, send an empty email to > > corvaircraft-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org . If you continue to have > > problems posting to CorvAircraft, please let me know and I'll do whatever > I > > can. Thank you for your patience with this situation. > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------------------------ > > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 7:21 PM > Subject: Re:Re: Re:Re: Re:Re: Blacklisted for "non-zealot" status? > > > > Thank you > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------------------------ > > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 3:43 PM > Subject: Fw:failure notice > > > > > > ---- Forwarded Message --- > > > > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mailinglists.org. > > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following > addresses. > > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > > > > : > > Sorry, only subscribers may post. If you are a subscriber, please forward > this message to corvaircraft-owner@mailinglists.org to get your new address > included (#5.7.2) > > > > --- Below this line is a copy of the message. > > > > Return-Path: > > Received: (qmail 9956 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2003 21:38:26 -0000 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > --------------------------- > > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 4:03 PM > Subject: Magical Computers > > > > Mr. Langford - Let me ask an "engineering" type question. What is the > probability that the computer would allow delivery of ALL e-mail except ones > mailed to the corvaircraft mailing list? Answer: Zero. Thanks for allowing > me to at least receive postings. Just as well, or I'd have people asking > about legalities. Dr. J. Sandt > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > --------------------------- > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:13 PM > Subject: Re: Fw:failure notice > > > > You were listed as josandt@netzero.NET, so I changed it to > > josandt@netzero.COM. Maybe that will fix it, so try again. > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---------------------------- > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:24 PM > Subject: Re: Magical Computers > > > > I don't have a clue. Maybe you can explain to me how you were getting > email > > at josandt@netzero.net when your real email address is actually > > josandt@netzero.com ? My guess is that netzero has some mechanism that > > replaces erroneous addresses from .net to .com, but CorvAircraft wouldn't > > have such a mechanism. That's all that I can think of. > > > > Have a nice day and thank you for your endless patience and > understanding... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ----------------------------- > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: Magical Computers > > > > OK, so I just went checking. I have email from you from both > > josandt@netzero.COM and josandt@netzero.NET . When you figure out which > one > > is really your email address, please let me know and I'll kill the other > > one. Until then you are probably going to get all CorvAircraft mail > twice. > > If that is the case, let me know and I'll delete josandt@netzero.NET from > > the list. I'd just do it now, but I wouldn't want to risk inconveniencing > > you as kind, understanding, and patient as you've been through this > ordeal, > > which is obviously all my fault... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > --------------------------- > > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:57 PM > Subject: Re:Re: Magical Computers > > > > Mr. Langford, Sorry. As far as I know, it's josandt@netzero.net - > > That's the address I've had for the past year. I may have given myself a > "COM" by mistake somewhere along the way. I'm a teacher as well as a lawyer > so I should be anal enough, like so many others, to claim that I never make > a mistake (but I won't). John > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---------------------------- > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:42 PM > Subject: Re: Re:Re: Magical Computers > > > > John, > > > > I would think that if you are subscribed to CorvAircraft as > > josandt@netzero.net , and you would like to send email through > CorvAircraft, > > then you should actually send it from josandt@netzero.net , not from > > josandt@netzero.com ! That is the explanation for all of this, and NOT > that > > I've done a single solitary thing to prevent you from posting. > > > > The bottom line is that this problem has been of your own making, yet > > despite my assurances to the contrary, you were incredibly quick to blame > it > > on me, the elitest, McCarthyistic WEASEL! You, sir, have a serious > > personality disorder, and you need to take a long look at your behavior in > > this matter. I shudder at the thought of you teaching anybody anything, > > especially relating to "justice"... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > --------------------------- > > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:49 PM > Subject: Re:Re: Re:Re: Magical Computers > > > > Mr. Langford, I don't recall ever sending anything from > "josandt@netzero.COM!" As you know, the computer generates that portion of > the message, not the e-mailer. I was just trying to be a little more > conciliatory since you seemed to be less an A.H. in your last message. Of > course your response to me being conciliatory is that you become an even > bigger A.H. than ever. This demonstrates which one of us is the weasel, > doesn't it? Can't you ever get over yourself, you anal retentive jack-ass? > John > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---------------------------- > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 6:20 AM > Subject: Re: Re:Re: Re:Re: Magical Computers > > > > John, > > > > Computers only do what they're told to do. Either you or someone else set > > up the return address in your email client on one of your computers to use > > josandt@netzero.com rather than josandt@netzero.com. In any event, it > > certainly wasn't my fault that you tried to send messages to CorvAircraft > > from an unauthorized account. > > > > Again, thank you for your kind patience and understanding in this matter. > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------------------- > > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:54 AM > Subject: Family Feud > > > > Mr. Langford, Have considered more fully your last post. Yes, it's > conceivable that I could have mis-entered info when re-subscribing. You're > right, that would make me a real jerk, jack-ass, etc. If it's true that the > fault was mine ...no, let's assume that the fault IS mine. Therefore, > everything you've said is true and everything I've said is based on mistakes > and misconceptions. If that's the case, I apologize and will whack myself > with a two-by-four each day for the next 3 weeks. You don't need to send me > anymore nasty e-mails because I'm not enjoying the endless debate any more. > Life's too short. Your contribution to Corvair development is undeniable, > and it's no fun being at odds with someone who so many view as a Deity. > > > > You're right that I returned with a chip on my shoulder. I detest the > modern McCarthy era. Political correctness makes this old codger sick. > > Talk at you later, good buddy. J.S. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------------------- > > I guess that's the closest thing I'm going to get to an apology. My view of > this exchange is that I've gone out of my way to help Dr. Sandt, and he's > gone out of his way to belittle me for absolutely no reason. I am simply > amazed at his attitude and his conduct regarding this matter. Like my wife > says, "no good deed goes unpunished". This is the only post I intend to > make on the matter, and as list administrator, I will allow Dr. Sandt one > rebuttal post as well. Any more than one post regarding this matter, and > I'll unsubscribe him permanently. > > If I've accomplished nothing else with this message, I'd like for the moral > to be to treat others as you'd like to be treated by them. If you give > folks the benefit of the doubt, rather than jumping to conclusions and > blowing them to "smithereens" first, things work a whole lot better... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:52:47 -0700 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: cartera Subject: Re: KR> definition of a troll - major RANT alert! Message-ID: <3E735A5F.29DE2A9F@cuug.ab.ca> Mark, VairHeads, KRnetters, After having read these messages, they are off subject and my favorite action is highlite and with my pinky delete. The minute you answer any of this off subject you have opened the door and acknowledged these self professed experts. It only happens because you let it happen. Mark, you have the without a doubt the #1 site and good you put forth for all the builders engine or KR. So give yourself a break and peace and use that little pinky, or filter and do NOT acknowledge these assholes, because they are nothing more than scum of the earth. Peace my friend, and keep up the excellent work that you do for the benefit off all the builders. Adrian VE6AFY Mark Langford wrote: > > VairHeads, > > As many of you know, I'm the administrator of both KRNet and CorvAircraft, > and am expected to keep the lists focused on their missions, which is the > building and flying of KR aircraft and CorvAircraft engines. By most > accounts, I do OK at it. > > The string of messages below outlines an exchange that I've had with someone > apparently named Dr. John Sandt, email address josandt@netzero.net, over the > past week. I publish it here for your information, and more importantly, > because I'm mad as hell and won't take it anymore. I don't want this to > generate a bunch of messages on the list, so if you have a comment, please > offer it to either me or Dr. Sandt directly, rather than to the list. I > think the messages speak for themselves. If you don't have 10 minutes to > read them, please disregard the following and hit the delete key. I'll just > go ahead and apologize for the waste of bandwidth now. My wife says I > shouldn't even send it to the list, because "who cares, other than you" (and > she's absolutely right), but surely I can get away with just one message > about this character. > > You may remember that on February 3rd, a cyptic message appeared on > CorvAircraft that was attributed to the work of a "troll", one who incites > anger on email lists for the pure joy of it. Here's the history of where > that comment came from, and the unpleasant exchange that has resulted. > > Originally, somebody posted two messages to KRNet. One was calling for a > national day of prayer, and the other was a hoax message purportedly from > some kid who was "doing a science project to see how fast email travels", an > obvious effort from a spammer to gather email addresses from the > unsuspecting. Another clown had also sent some silliness regarding Dr. > Seuss at about the same time. This kind of stuff has no place on either > KRnet or CorvAircraft, and I privately emailed both subscribers to refrain > from forwarding that sort of mail to the list. Meanwhile, several other > netters commented to the list that such "submissions" were inappropriate on > KRnet. I'll pick up after several folks made fairly innocuous "this > doesn't belong here" type messages. You be the judge about the following > comments. I think Dr. Sandt's words speak for themselves. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------- > > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 3:32 PM > Subject: KR> Re:RE: KR> Fw: your help needed > > > Wrong. It's sent because someone cares and has an honest desire to do > right, be right, think right, live right, and help others. (As opposed to > your nonsense.) His was from the heart. Most people do not object to others > who feel the need to speak from the heart. John > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > > From: "Edwin Blocher" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Re:RE: KR> Fw: your help needed > > > John, > > Who the He%$ are you? > > Mark, > > Here is another one who doesn't know what this net is for. > > Just to keep it lega,I am looking for a nose gear. I think I'll go wit a > try > > gear. Still need to sell center steck assy.. > > ED > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 4:37 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Re:RE: KR> Fw: your help needed > > > This is simply NOT the place for mass "please forward to everyone you > know" > > mailings of any kind. What if all 600 people on this list sent just one > > such message each week? That means you'd have to sift through 86 such > > messages every DAY, looking for the answer to whatever KR question it was > > that you asked. I feel sure there are hundreds of email lists you could > get > > on that would flood your mailbox with warm caring messages from the heart, > > but as long as I'm in charge, KRnet isn't gonna be one of 'em... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 5:34 PM > Subject: Sorry > > > Mark, Sorry. I hate all the junk that gets posted, too. I'm the new guy so > I will mark that one up to my "one free stupid mistake." Thanks for keeping > us honest. John P.S. When you hear from Ed again, tell him thanks for > his charm. I don't mind being corrected, but one doesn't have to be an > ass&^$% about it. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------- > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 6:46 PM > Subject: Re: Sorry > > > No problem. I didn't mention your name in my reply, just to try to soften > > it a bit. > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------ > > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 12:28 AM > Subject: CorvAircraft> One departure > > > Adios! > > > > Shortly after the Columbia tragedy, someone posted a thoughtful piece > about > > prayer. It seemed to me an appropriate thought. He was flamed by the > > members of this net because he was "off-topic." I supported him and was > > flamed as well. > > > > I've been a pilot for 25 years and have always considered pilots to be a > > breed apart. They have always been courteous and honorable. That is, I > > thought that until I met the new breed that resides here. America's > > greatest and most heroic pilots were killed, yet the politically correct > > zealots refused to allow any tribute because it might interfere with the > > incredibly important business of TALKING about building engines. I am > > ashamed to be associated with such a group, so I'll get off the list. "Ed" > > seems to think that it only exists for the know-it-alls anyway. No new > > blood required. Well, you can have it Ed. You and those like yourself. > > > > Next time I see some rude SOB in my rear view mirror flipping me the > > finger, I'll think of you Ed. Actually, I'll think of this group. The > group > > that thinks it's petty newsletter is too important to "waste time" > thinking > > about anything bigger than a chunk of tin. > > > > Adios! Make sure to tell them what a piece of crud I was, Ed! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:07 AM > Subject: KR> Fwd: CorvAircraft> One departure > > > > > John, > > > > You're a little confused, aren't you? You sent the message below to the > > CorvAircraft list, but I believe your beef was with KRnet. I noticed you > > recently asked questions on CorvAircraft that, when answered, would have > > helped you to build a reliable engine for your aircraft. But now you're > > "mad at the world" and have unsubscribed from both lists. KRnet is here > to > > help people build and fly KR aircraft safely, and CorvAircraft is here to > > help people build safe, reliable aircraft engines. The "petty newsletter" > > you refer to was also created to help people build and fly their KR > aircraft > > more safely and efficiently, and has it's roots in an invaluable > collection > > of 27 years of informative how-to articles regarding the construction of > KR > > aircraft. Believe it or not, there are some of us who go way out of our > > way to help others in these endeavors, which for some of us, is our idea > of > > doing good for others, mostly total strangers. That's why we're all here. > > > > Then again, some people's idea of doing good is to hit the "forward" > button > > and then the "to everyone in address book". That's fine, as long as KRnet > > or CorvAircraft are not in your addressbook, and we don't have to put up > > with it. If we wanted to trade warm, meaningful messages from the heart, > > we'd all be on one of the other many mailinglists who's main purpose that > > would serve. > > > > By wearing your feelings on your sleeve and getting all worked up over > your > > perception of what is "good" and what (and where) is inappropriate, you've > > now deprived yourself of all of this expert help, from people who have > "been > > there, done that", and who's only selfless goal is to help others. I > guess > > we all have our own ideas about what's right, what's wrong, what's > helpful, > > and what's not... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:13 PM > Subject: Re:Fwd: CorvAircraft> One departure > > > MR. Langford, Please convey my apologies to the Corvaircraft group. They > appear to be a fine group - very helpful and cooperative. If it's not a > hassle please allow me this last post there, though I've quit both this and > the KR net group (the offensive group - may they fly Home Depot plywood). > John > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > 5 weeks later, I get the following cryptic message: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 9:41 PM > Subject: Fw:failure notice > > > > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > > > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mailinglists.org. > > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following > addresses. > > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > > > > : > > Sorry, only subscribers may post. If you are a subscriber, please forward > this message to corvaircraft-owner@mailinglists.org to get your new address > included (#5.7.2) > > > > --- Below this line is a copy of the message. > > > > Return-Path: > > Received: (qmail 17490 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2003 03:04:31 -0000... > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------- > > Before I even had a chance to read the above message, I received the > following one: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------- > > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:22 PM > Subject: Blacklisted for "non-zealot" status? > > > Just wondering if I've been banned from posting because of my > "non-politically-correct-zealot" status. Hopefully, a computer glitch, and > not a lunatic twitch. McCarthyism is supposed to be dead - the only ones > still practicing it are the politically-correct loonies. Tell me we don't > have that problem on a "Corvair talk only" list. God help us all if we do. > John > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------ > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 9:16 AM > Subject: Re: Blacklisted for "non-zealot" status? > > > John, > > > > Chill out. I assure you that no censorship or McCarthyism is going on. > > This is the first I've heard of this. I've just deleted you from the list > > and recreated you, and added you the the digest list, which should ensure > > that you have two chances to send mail to the list. If you still have > > problems, let me know, but problems with this list are very rare (haven't > > had one until this one). Just for kicks, see if you can send a message to > > tetnet@mailinglists.org . It's a test list with nobody on it but me and > > you. > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ > > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 11:38 AM > Subject: Re:Re: Blacklisted for "non-zealot" status? > > > Mr. Langford, Are you sure I qualify for TWO opportunities to post? > > Like I said, McCarthyism is alive and well. You undoubtedly have your > doctorate in some form of engineering, or at least have substantial progress > toward same. Mine is in the law, and I'm ashamed that freedom of speech is > being trivialized by the elitists. There is no excuse whatsoever for it. I'm > sure that you are standing by with some lame excuse as to how the TWO > opportunities to post are just temporary, or for testing purposes, or some > other nonsense. I no longer care much what you do....allow me (as your royal > subject) to continue to participate or not. Doesn't matter. Please get over > yourself and function as a true intellectual. And try to remember that > freedom of speech matters in all arenas, even this trivial one. John > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------- > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:13 PM > Subject: Re: Re:Re: Blacklisted for "non-zealot" status? > > > John, > > > > You don't understand. I haven't done anything to your account, EVER. I > > don't even have the "deny access" feature turned on, so I couldn't deny > your > > ability to post if I wanted to. If there is a problem with your ability > to > > post to CorvAircraft, it's not from something that I have done or am > doing. > > Almost without exception, problems that people have with either KRNet or > > CorvAircraft are problems on THIER end, not the mailinglist end (although > > I'll admit that the message you forwarded me sure looks like a > CorvAircraft > > problem). > > > > I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I am not trying to keep you from posting > > to CorvAircraft. This morning I deleted you from CorvAircraft and then > > recreated your address, in an effort to SOLVE your problem, nothing more, > > nothing less. I then created an account on another list at > mailinglists.org > > in an attempt to help troubleshoot your problem, but you haven't even > tried > > it, preferring to launch a preemptive strike at me instead, convinced of > my > > insincerity. You may be a lawyer, but you're also a paranoid jerk with a > > big chip on your shoulder, convinced that everybody else in the world is > out > > to get you and screw you in some way. So at this point, I don't really > care > > if you can post or not! I don't know if you're a > > "non-politically-correct-zealot" or not, but I can already tell that > you're > > not the kind of person that I want anything to do with, under any > > circumstances! > > > > John, you need to stand back and take a long look at yourself in the > mirror > > and question why you are so quick to assume that I'm deliberately screwing > > you in some way, rather than a plain old random technical quirk. In > short, > > you need professional mental therapy... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------- > > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 3:34 PM > Subject: Re:Re: Re:Re: Blacklisted for "non-zealot" status? > > > Langford, If you question where my attitude came from, better go back > and review the treatment you gave me when the problem began. Remember - when > you originally gave me your politically correct diatribe about how any > sentimentality towards America's fallen heroes was politically incorrect and > had no place on your website. If that's not political-correctness > fanaticism, what is?!! You are the one in need of therapy. > > Only, the problem is, the kind of therapy you need has to do with your > weird political persuasion, and even a therapist cannot help you there. > Since your obvious intent was, and is, to keep me off the website, stop > making lame excuses, be the weasel that you really are, and just kick me > out. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------ > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 5:26 PM > Subject: Re: Re:Re: Re:Re: Blacklisted for "non-zealot" status? > > > John, > > > > If you'd like to unsubscribe from CorvAircraft, send an empty email to > > corvaircraft-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org . If you continue to have > > problems posting to CorvAircraft, please let me know and I'll do whatever > I > > can. Thank you for your patience with this situation. > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------ > > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 7:21 PM > Subject: Re:Re: Re:Re: Re:Re: Blacklisted for "non-zealot" status? > > > Thank you > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------ > > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 3:43 PM > Subject: Fw:failure notice > > > > > ---- Forwarded Message --- > > > > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mailinglists.org. > > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following > addresses. > > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > > > > : > > Sorry, only subscribers may post. If you are a subscriber, please forward > this message to corvaircraft-owner@mailinglists.org to get your new address > included (#5.7.2) > > > > --- Below this line is a copy of the message. > > > > Return-Path: > > Received: (qmail 9956 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2003 21:38:26 -0000 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------- > > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 4:03 PM > Subject: Magical Computers > > > Mr. Langford - Let me ask an "engineering" type question. What is the > probability that the computer would allow delivery of ALL e-mail except ones > mailed to the corvaircraft mailing list? Answer: Zero. Thanks for allowing > me to at least receive postings. Just as well, or I'd have people asking > about legalities. Dr. J. Sandt > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------- > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:13 PM > Subject: Re: Fw:failure notice > > > You were listed as josandt@netzero.NET, so I changed it to > > josandt@netzero.COM. Maybe that will fix it, so try again. > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------- > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:24 PM > Subject: Re: Magical Computers > > > I don't have a clue. Maybe you can explain to me how you were getting > email > > at josandt@netzero.net when your real email address is actually > > josandt@netzero.com ? My guess is that netzero has some mechanism that > > replaces erroneous addresses from .net to .com, but CorvAircraft wouldn't > > have such a mechanism. That's all that I can think of. > > > > Have a nice day and thank you for your endless patience and > understanding... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------- > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: Magical Computers > > > OK, so I just went checking. I have email from you from both > > josandt@netzero.COM and josandt@netzero.NET . When you figure out which > one > > is really your email address, please let me know and I'll kill the other > > one. Until then you are probably going to get all CorvAircraft mail > twice. > > If that is the case, let me know and I'll delete josandt@netzero.NET from > > the list. I'd just do it now, but I wouldn't want to risk inconveniencing > > you as kind, understanding, and patient as you've been through this > ordeal, > > which is obviously all my fault... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------- > > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:57 PM > Subject: Re:Re: Magical Computers > > > Mr. Langford, Sorry. As far as I know, it's josandt@netzero.net - > > That's the address I've had for the past year. I may have given myself a > "COM" by mistake somewhere along the way. I'm a teacher as well as a lawyer > so I should be anal enough, like so many others, to claim that I never make > a mistake (but I won't). John > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------- > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:42 PM > Subject: Re: Re:Re: Magical Computers > > > John, > > > > I would think that if you are subscribed to CorvAircraft as > > josandt@netzero.net , and you would like to send email through > CorvAircraft, > > then you should actually send it from josandt@netzero.net , not from > > josandt@netzero.com ! That is the explanation for all of this, and NOT > that > > I've done a single solitary thing to prevent you from posting. > > > > The bottom line is that this problem has been of your own making, yet > > despite my assurances to the contrary, you were incredibly quick to blame > it > > on me, the elitest, McCarthyistic WEASEL! You, sir, have a serious > > personality disorder, and you need to take a long look at your behavior in > > this matter. I shudder at the thought of you teaching anybody anything, > > especially relating to "justice"... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------- > > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:49 PM > Subject: Re:Re: Re:Re: Magical Computers > > > Mr. Langford, I don't recall ever sending anything from > "josandt@netzero.COM!" As you know, the computer generates that portion of > the message, not the e-mailer. I was just trying to be a little more > conciliatory since you seemed to be less an A.H. in your last message. Of > course your response to me being conciliatory is that you become an even > bigger A.H. than ever. This demonstrates which one of us is the weasel, > doesn't it? Can't you ever get over yourself, you anal retentive jack-ass? > John > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------- > > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 6:20 AM > Subject: Re: Re:Re: Re:Re: Magical Computers > > > John, > > > > Computers only do what they're told to do. Either you or someone else set > > up the return address in your email client on one of your computers to use > > josandt@netzero.com rather than josandt@netzero.com. In any event, it > > certainly wasn't my fault that you tried to send messages to CorvAircraft > > from an unauthorized account. > > > > Again, thank you for your kind patience and understanding in this matter. > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------- > > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:54 AM > Subject: Family Feud > > > Mr. Langford, Have considered more fully your last post. Yes, it's > conceivable that I could have mis-entered info when re-subscribing. You're > right, that would make me a real jerk, jack-ass, etc. If it's true that the > fault was mine ...no, let's assume that the fault IS mine. Therefore, > everything you've said is true and everything I've said is based on mistakes > and misconceptions. If that's the case, I apologize and will whack myself > with a two-by-four each day for the next 3 weeks. You don't need to send me > anymore nasty e-mails because I'm not enjoying the endless debate any more. > Life's too short. Your contribution to Corvair development is undeniable, > and it's no fun being at odds with someone who so many view as a Deity. > > > > You're right that I returned with a chip on my shoulder. I detest the > modern McCarthy era. Political correctness makes this old codger sick. > > Talk at you later, good buddy. J.S. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------- > > I guess that's the closest thing I'm going to get to an apology. My view of > this exchange is that I've gone out of my way to help Dr. Sandt, and he's > gone out of his way to belittle me for absolutely no reason. I am simply > amazed at his attitude and his conduct regarding this matter. Like my wife > says, "no good deed goes unpunished". This is the only post I intend to > make on the matter, and as list administrator, I will allow Dr. Sandt one > rebuttal post as well. Any more than one post regarding this matter, and > I'll unsubscribe him permanently. > > If I've accomplished nothing else with this message, I'd like for the moral > to be to treat others as you'd like to be treated by them. If you give > folks the benefit of the doubt, rather than jumping to conclusions and > blowing them to "smithereens" first, things work a whole lot better... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:30:47 -0600 To: "CorVaircraft Net" , "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Engine Run Message-ID: <002d01c2eb10$3c17ec00$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C2EADD.F1298FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well after a long cold winter, the temp is climbing to 55 here today. = Therefore, I could not resist rolling my plane out in the drive and = starting the engine for the first time in months and waking up all the = neighbors. Her are the results from an eighteen minute run at 1800 RPM: CHT 250 degrees at 12 minutes and 18 minutes. Oil Pressure 42psi at 12 minutes and 18 minutes. Oil temperature 140 degrees at 12 minutes and 150 degrees at 18 minutes Volts 12.4 with engine off and 14.2 charging with engine running. Outside temp at time of engine run was 39 degrees. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C2EADD.F1298FA0-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************