From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 16 Mar 2003 18:03:57 -0000 Issue 661 Date: Sunday, March 16, 2003 11:04 AM krnet Digest 16 Mar 2003 18:03:57 -0000 Issue 661 Topics (messages 15879 through 15908): Re: Engine Run 15879 by: Kevin KR CD 15880 by: larry severson Re: New plans owner. 15881 by: Justin 15883 by: virgnvs.juno.com Re: KR Dinner 15882 by: virgnvs.juno.com Desending in a KR 15884 by: AviationMech.aol.com Re: ? Landing a Tri- gear Kr 15885 by: Phillip Matheson KR Newsletter CD -- Contact Information 15886 by: Larry A. Capps 15889 by: Frank Ross 15890 by: manrj.att.net 15892 by: Mark Jones 15898 by: Fran Giroux Re: The case for camber 15887 by: rossy Re: Descending in a KR 15888 by: V. P. 15893 by: Justin 15894 by: AviationMech.aol.com 15896 by: V. P. 15897 by: Mark Jones 15905 by: AviationMech.aol.com 15907 by: Justin Re: Fuel tank vent/overflow 15891 by: Peter Johnson 15900 by: Brian Kraut 15901 by: Dan Heath 15904 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout 15906 by: Kevin Re: Flutter 15895 by: Justin 15903 by: Phil Maley Justin's Hours 15899 by: Ronevogt.aol.com Oh or Zero? Maybe Zed? 15902 by: Frank Ross More Updates 15908 by: Mark Jones Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:05:51 -0500 (EST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Kevin Subject: Re: KR> Engine Run Message-ID: <5526855.1047747962835.JavaMail.nobody@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Good information. Thank you. Kevin. -------Original Message------- From: Mark Jones Sent: 03/15/03 11:30 AM To: CorVaircraft Net , KR-Net Subject: KR> Engine Run > > Well after a long cold winter, the temp is climbing to 55 here today. Therefore, I could not resist rolling my plane out in the drive and starting the engine for the first time in months and waking up all the neighbors. Her are the results from an eighteen minute run at 1800 RPM: CHT 250 degrees at 12 minutes and 18 minutes. Oil Pressure 42psi at 12 minutes and 18 minutes. Oil temperature 140 degrees at 12 minutes and 150 degrees at 18 minutes Volts 12.4 with engine off and 14.2 charging with engine running. Outside temp at time of engine run was 39 degrees. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:15:11 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry severson Subject: KR CD Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030315101259.00b6f810@pop-server.socal.rr.com> I sent a check to the address of Larry Capp per his e-mail. Post Office sent it back saying the address was insufficient. I would like to get the CD! Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:27:03 -0600 To: From: "Justin" Subject: Re: Re: KR> New plans owner. Message-ID: <001501c2eb0f$b6912ec0$dcda1818@computer> I never said I put alot of pressure on the joints. It takes pressure to get the "boat" to get the correct angles/measurments whne putting in the crossmembers. If the fuselage doesnt want to bend easyly it takes lots of pressure. Mine bent easy BECAUSE I didnt have the plywood on, my hanger buddy has his on and it is a tough battle. Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin" To: Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 4:51 AM Subject: Re: Re: KR> New plans owner. > When using epoxy, I don't believe high pressure is needed. Good contact with the adjoining surface is the main concern. > > Kevin. > > > -------Original Message------- > From: Justin > Sent: 03/15/03 01:42 AM > To: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> New plans owner. > > > > > DONT use partical board. Even the cheapest wood will work better then that > crap. I know from experence that partical board doent hold up well in > strength. For my gusset clamps I used a "cam" design so i can control the > strength and if there was alot of orce the screw would start to come out. > When joining the 2 sides togetehr there was alot of pressure. > > My table was made from MSD I think it is called, was only $8 for a > 4X8X1 > > Another suggestion, Dont plywood skin your fuselage until it is done > witht he boat stage. If you order the plywood in advace you can trace all > the lines to elemiate other problems with putting it on later. It is so > much > easyer to work with the fuselage with the skin off. > > Justin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Cable" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 2:47 PM > Subject: Re: KR> New plans owner. > > > > > > Shahar, > > Heh Congratulations! The first thing to do is to sit down and read the > assembly manual. Pull out the drawings and study them where the manual > referrs to a drawing. Put your drawings on a nice large flat surface with > really good lighting. > > After you have read completely from cover to cover the assembly manual, > the first thing you need to build is a build table. > > I made mine from 5'x10'x 1"thick particle board mounted to legs from a > large folding table and a 2x6 frame. > > Read the manual at least 2 times. > > Good Luck. > > PS Don't forget your drafting manual and drafting tools. > > volucer wrote:BODY { MARGIN-TOP: 20px; FONT-SIZE: > 10pt; > MARGIN-LEFT: 50px; COLOR: #006666; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica}Hi > Guy's,I > got the KR2 plans today, hope to be busy for a while.Any suggestions for > start-up? I will accept all.73, > > Dr. Shahar Tsabari > > Tel. +39.0365.761000 > > Fax +39.0365.761900 > > > > > > > > Scott Cable > > KR-2S # 735 > > Linden, MI > > s2cable1@yahoo.com > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at href="http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp">http://www.maddyhome.com/kr srch/index.jsp > or href="http://www.bouyea.net/">http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:21:00 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> New plans owner. Message-ID: <20030315.142653.-652469.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Same here, Virg K4VSC On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:33:31 +0100 "Alexander Birca (RMD)" writes: > Congratulation Shahar. > Are you Radio-amateur? If so, than it is clear why 73! > > Alex Birca > > -----Original Message----- > From: volucer [mailto:volucer@tin.it] > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:27 PM > To: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> New plans owner. > > > Hi Guy's, > I got the KR2 plans today, hope to be busy for a while. > Any suggestions for start-up? I will accept all. > 73, > Dr. Shahar Tsabari > Tel. +39.0365.761000 > Fax +39.0365.761900 > > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:22:15 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> KR Dinner Message-ID: <20030315.142653.-652469.2.virgnvs@juno.com> BLANK, Virg On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:24:14 EST RFG842@aol.com writes: > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > Virgil N. Salisbury AMSOIL WWW.LUBEDEALER.COM/SALISBURY ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:07:40 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Desending in a KR Message-ID: <6.c55a12e.2ba4fe2c@aol.com> --part1_6.c55a12e.2ba4fe2c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of the neatest things about flying the KR, is to push the stick forward and go down hill at 200 MPH. There is so little drag that the plane does not want to slow down. To slow down on final without flaps or a belly board, you end up pulling the nose higher and higher. Then to check your runway alignment, you drop the nose and by the count of 2 your speed is creaping up to 80 MPH, so you pull the nose up again and repeat the cycle. Orma aka AviationMech KR-2 N110LR Soon to have a new IVO ground adjustable Prop. 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech --part1_6.c55a12e.2ba4fe2c_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:34:00 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR>? Landing a Tri- gear Kr Message-ID: <00ad01c2eb42$faa23ae0$0100a8c0@barry> Hi Netters. All this talk has been about slowing, and seeing over the nose of a tail dragger Kr. I have a tri-gear Kr2, What do I have in store for me when I fly my KR, with or without flaps.( still undecided) Does it have the same problems? There must be a Tri-gear pilot out there that can make a comment or two. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 NSW Australia. See our VW engines and Home built kits and parts at; www.vw-engines.com www.homebuilt-aviation.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:25:28 -0600 To: From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: KR Newsletter CD -- Contact Information Message-ID: <001301c2eb4a$2aa04910$0300a8c0@schpankme> I completely don't understand how that could have happened unless the Mailing addy you wrote was incorrect....I also have an email address and phone number by which you my contact me on same information sent you. To receive your own copy "27 Years of the KR Newsletter on CD", you can use PayPal, Check or Money Order. PayPal: Login to your PayPal account and make payment to: krnews@attbi.com $49.00 anywhere in the world (shipped) Mail Check or Money order: KR Newsletter 10S485 Book Road Naperville, IL. 60564 $49.00 anywhere in the world (shipped) NOTE: All payments must be submitted in US Dollars, or check drafted on a US financial institution. Larry A Capps Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- I sent a check to the address of Larry Capp per his e-mail. Post Office sent it back saying the address was insufficient. I would like to get the CD! Larry Severson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:27:19 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter CD -- Contact Information Message-ID: <20030316002719.51900.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com> Larry Severson Make sure you have this part of the address right. It is tricky 10S485 Book Road this is one-oh-ESS-(not five)-four-eight-five. Don't know if that is what happened, but it is easy to get wrong. Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, 78250 > Mail Check or Money order: > > KR Newsletter > 10S485 Book Road > Naperville, IL. 60564 > $49.00 anywhere in the world (shipped) >> I sent a check to the address of Larry Capp per his > e-mail. Post Office > sent it back saying the address was insufficient. > I would like to get the CD! > > Larry Severson __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 01:38:01 +0000 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: manrj@att.net Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter CD -- Contact Information Hi, Frank Is that one - oh - or one zero? Thanks. > Larry Severson > Make sure you have this part of the address right. It > is tricky > 10S485 Book Road > this is one-oh-ESS-(not five)-four-eight-five. > Don't know if that is what happened, but it is easy to > get wrong. > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, 78250 > > > Mail Check or Money order: > > > > KR Newsletter > > 10S485 Book Road > > Naperville, IL. 60564 > > $49.00 anywhere in the world (shipped) > >> I sent a check to the address of Larry Capp per his > > e-mail. Post Office > > sent it back saying the address was insufficient. > > I would like to get the CD! > > > > Larry Severson > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 21:04:18 -0600 To: From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter CD -- Contact Information Message-ID: <00b801c2eb68$bc54dec0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> The address reads 10S485 (Ten, Letter S, Four, Eight, Five) Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 7:38 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter CD -- Contact Information > Hi, Frank > > Is that one - oh - or one zero? Thanks. > > Larry Severson > > Make sure you have this part of the address right. It > > is tricky > > 10S485 Book Road > > this is one-oh-ESS-(not five)-four-eight-five. > > Don't know if that is what happened, but it is easy to > > get wrong. > > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, 78250 > > > > > Mail Check or Money order: > > > > > > KR Newsletter > > > 10S485 Book Road > > > Naperville, IL. 60564 > > > $49.00 anywhere in the world (shipped) > > >> I sent a check to the address of Larry Capp per his > > > e-mail. Post Office > > > sent it back saying the address was insufficient. > > > I would like to get the CD! > > > > > > Larry Severson > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 23:05:43 -0500 To: From: "Fran Giroux" Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter CD -- Contact Information Message-ID: <001a01c2eb71$50da22a0$1002a8c0@franshp> > this is one-oh-ESS-(not five)-four-eight-five Is that oh as in O or oh as in 0 (zero)? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ross" To: Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 7:27 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter CD -- Contact Information > Larry Severson > Make sure you have this part of the address right. It > is tricky > 10S485 Book Road > this is one-oh-ESS-(not five)-four-eight-five. > Don't know if that is what happened, but it is easy to > get wrong. > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, 78250 > > > Mail Check or Money order: > > > > KR Newsletter > > 10S485 Book Road > > Naperville, IL. 60564 > > $49.00 anywhere in the world (shipped) > >> I sent a check to the address of Larry Capp per his > > e-mail. Post Office > > sent it back saying the address was insufficient. > > I would like to get the CD! > > > > Larry Severson > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:30:52 -0800 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: rossy Subject: Re: KR> The case for camber Message-ID: <3E73C5BC.3FC152C5@attbi.com> I don't recall the details, but there is a good discussion of camber in the Tony Bengilis books. I used his suggestions and mounted some yardsticks on my wheel forks (retract), then measured the camber and set it per Tony's recommendation. I don't have my construction log here (it's at the airport), so I can't tell you the amount of camber I built into my wheels. I have a conventional tailwheel retract KR-2 -- Ross Peg and Mike Meyer wrote: > > I'm working on my own Diehl-style clone gear (taildragger), and while digging through the archives, it appears that there is no general consensus regarding camber. What brought this up was my investigation into the angles on the Diehl style brackets both at the upper casting and the axle casting. Dr Dean reported the upper bracket angle of about 60 degrees and built his as such which resulted in a healthy amount of camber at the axle, and other guys have built their gear with no camber at all. As I understand it, a little camber's a good thing for a taildragger; when incorporated with a little toe-in it helps stabilize the a/c for those times when you find yourself on one main (X-winds,etc.). I guess this begs the question, "what are the casting angles on the Diehl brackets, both at the spar and the axle"? And can someone enlightenment on the proper amount of camber required, if any? > > Thanks, > > Mike Meyer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 18:27:20 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "V. P." Subject: RE: KR> Descending in a KR Message-id: Why not do what we did in the F-16... lateral loaded ( 3-5 'g') check turns.. bleeds airspeed very well.. -----Original Message----- From: AviationMech@aol.com [mailto:AviationMech@aol.com] Sent: March 15, 2003 4:08 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Desending in a KR One of the neatest things about flying the KR, is to push the stick forward and go down hill at 200 MPH. There is so little drag that the plane does not want to slow down. To slow down on final without flaps or a belly board, you end up pulling the nose higher and higher. Then to check your runway alignment, you drop the nose and by the count of 2 your speed is creaping up to 80 MPH, so you pull the nose up again and repeat the cycle. Orma aka AviationMech KR-2 N110LR Soon to have a new IVO ground adjustable Prop. 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 19:14:25 -0600 To: From: "Justin" Subject: Re: KR> Descending in a KR Message-ID: <000901c2eb59$623bfb30$dcda1818@computer> Why dont you just learn to do slips very well. Learn to be able to use full rudder and stick track a centerline. If you cant do that, then you need some serious pilot work. It may be hard in a sporty airplane but you better get used to it. Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "V. P." To: Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: RE: KR> Descending in a KR > Why not do what we did in the F-16... lateral loaded ( 3-5 'g') check > turns.. bleeds airspeed very well.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: AviationMech@aol.com [mailto:AviationMech@aol.com] > Sent: March 15, 2003 4:08 PM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> Desending in a KR > > > One of the neatest things about flying the KR, is to push the stick forward > and go down hill at 200 MPH. There is so little drag that the plane does > not > want to slow down. To slow down on final without flaps or a belly board, > you > end up pulling the nose higher and higher. Then to check your runway > alignment, you drop the nose and by the count of 2 your speed is creaping up > to 80 MPH, so you pull the nose up again and repeat the cycle. > > Orma aka AviationMech > KR-2 N110LR Soon to have a new IVO ground adjustable Prop. > 1984 to Present > www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:20:00 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Descending in a KR Message-ID: --part1_a1.359dbf5c.2ba54760_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/15/2003 7:28:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, md11capt@swbell.net writes: > lateral loaded ( 3-5 'g') check > turns.. bleeds airspeed very well.. > At 3-5 g's it sounds like it might be fun, but what is it do you think it can be done safely in a KR rated for +6 -4 g. Orma aka AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech --part1_a1.359dbf5c.2ba54760_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 21:31:31 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "V. P." Subject: RE: KR> Descending in a KR Message-id: I don't own a KR... but 3-5 'g' is within the design limitations of -4 to +6.... -----Original Message----- From: AviationMech@aol.com [mailto:AviationMech@aol.com] Sent: March 15, 2003 9:20 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Descending in a KR In a message dated 3/15/2003 7:28:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, md11capt@swbell.net writes: > lateral loaded ( 3-5 'g') check > turns.. bleeds airspeed very well.. > At 3-5 g's it sounds like it might be fun, but what is it do you think it can be done safely in a KR rated for +6 -4 g. Orma aka AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 21:57:41 -0600 To: From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Descending in a KR Message-ID: <00de01c2eb70$31a72fa0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Justin, I am curious as to how many hours flight time you have. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin" To: Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 7:14 PM Subject: Re: KR> Descending in a KR > Why dont you just learn to do slips very well. Learn to be able to use full > rudder and stick track a centerline. If you cant do that, then you need some > serious pilot work. It may be hard in a sporty airplane but you better get > used to it. > > Justin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "V. P." > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 6:27 PM > Subject: RE: KR> Descending in a KR > > > > Why not do what we did in the F-16... lateral loaded ( 3-5 'g') check > > turns.. bleeds airspeed very well.. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AviationMech@aol.com [mailto:AviationMech@aol.com] > > Sent: March 15, 2003 4:08 PM > > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > > Subject: KR> Desending in a KR > > > > > > One of the neatest things about flying the KR, is to push the stick > forward > > and go down hill at 200 MPH. There is so little drag that the plane does > > not > > want to slow down. To slow down on final without flaps or a belly board, > > you > > end up pulling the nose higher and higher. Then to check your runway > > alignment, you drop the nose and by the count of 2 your speed is creaping > up > > to 80 MPH, so you pull the nose up again and repeat the cycle. > > > > Orma aka AviationMech > > KR-2 N110LR Soon to have a new IVO ground adjustable Prop. > > 1984 to Present > > www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:01:53 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Descending in a KR Message-ID: <1c1.69b759f.2ba5ddd1@aol.com> --part1_1c1.69b759f.2ba5ddd1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/15/2003 10:31:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, md11capt@swbell.net writes: > I don't own a KR... but 3-5 'g' is within the design limitations of -4 to > +6.... I agree it is within the specs, but what exactly is a lateral loaded ( 3-5 'g') check turns. Perhaps all of us in the KR could use that information. I once had the opportunity to fly the WSO seat of an F4E and learned that you cant grip the stick tightly or the controls will react to your blood pressure pulses. This was valuable information because my KR did the same thing on its first flight. Orma aka AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech --part1_1c1.69b759f.2ba5ddd1_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:57:18 -0600 To: From: "Justin" Subject: Re: KR> Descending in a KR Message-ID: <000c01c2ebd4$b8ffef50$dcda1818@computer> 40 in a T-18 Thorp and 30 hours in the spam cams (C-150,tomahawks,C-172). I sure you can clearly understand my point, you need to be able to slip a KR. If you cant keep an airplane controlled in a slip then the airplane is controlling you. The thorp was a real dog to slip but I was taught to slip and it is the best way to loose altitude when your flaps are already out. Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 9:57 PM Subject: Re: KR> Descending in a KR > Justin, > I am curious as to how many hours flight time you have. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 7:14 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Descending in a KR > > > > Why dont you just learn to do slips very well. Learn to be able to use > full > > rudder and stick track a centerline. If you cant do that, then you need > some > > serious pilot work. It may be hard in a sporty airplane but you better get > > used to it. > > > > Justin > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "V. P." > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 6:27 PM > > Subject: RE: KR> Descending in a KR > > > > > > > Why not do what we did in the F-16... lateral loaded ( 3-5 'g') check > > > turns.. bleeds airspeed very well.. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AviationMech@aol.com [mailto:AviationMech@aol.com] > > > Sent: March 15, 2003 4:08 PM > > > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > Subject: KR> Desending in a KR > > > > > > > > > One of the neatest things about flying the KR, is to push the stick > > forward > > > and go down hill at 200 MPH. There is so little drag that the plane > does > > > not > > > want to slow down. To slow down on final without flaps or a belly > board, > > > you > > > end up pulling the nose higher and higher. Then to check your runway > > > alignment, you drop the nose and by the count of 2 your speed is > creaping > > up > > > to 80 MPH, so you pull the nose up again and repeat the cycle. > > > > > > Orma aka AviationMech > > > KR-2 N110LR Soon to have a new IVO ground adjustable Prop. > > > 1984 to Present > > > www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 19:40:41 -0800 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: Re: Fuel tank vent/overflow Message-ID: <015701c2eb73$0a31d6c0$ae09eccf@peter> A comment... aiming your drain/vent into the wind raises the risk of it becoming plugged by a bug or dirt. If the vent/drain becomes plugged it is possible that fuel flow from the tank to the engine may be reduced due to a developing vacuum in the tank as the fuel level lowers. One idea I read of was to fabricate a 'T' on the end of your vent/drain. You weld a short section of tube to the end of your vent/drain, the 'T' has a hole drilled in the side of course. The 'T' is aligned fore and aft outside of the airplane. If the front of the 'T' should become plugged, air will still be able to flow into the tank from the backside. Clear as mud? mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth L Wiltrout" To: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: Re: KR> Fuel tank vent/overflow > I have a 13 gal header tank that I ran alum tubing to the tail end of the > fuse. I bent the tubing forward so it also creates a positive pressure in > the tank when in flight and acts as a vent when on the ground. So far so > good. I also flared the end of the tubing to help capture the air as > well. > > > On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:45:44 -0700 "Bob Sauer" writes: > > What have some of you that are flying done to vent/overflow you fuel > > tanks? How about you, Bobby Muse? > > > > Thanks, > > > > From: resauer@cox.net > > Sun City West, AZ > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 23:10:41 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Brian Kraut Subject: Re: KR> Fuel tank vent/overflow Message-ID: <3E73F941.8000302@earthlink.net> --------------010500010800080306080008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why would you run the tube to the tail instead of just going straight down from the tank and then bending it forward? Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: >I have a 13 gal header tank that I ran alum tubing to the tail end of the >fuse. I bent the tubing forward so it also creates a positive pressure in >the tank when in flight and acts as a vent when on the ground. So far so >good. I also flared the end of the tubing to help capture the air as >well. > > >On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:45:44 -0700 "Bob Sauer" writes: > >>What have some of you that are flying done to vent/overflow you fuel >>tanks? How about you, Bobby Muse? >> >>Thanks, >> >>From: resauer@cox.net >>Sun City West, AZ >> > >________________________________________________________________ >Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today >Only $9.95 per month! >Visit www.juno.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > --------------010500010800080306080008-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 23:47:15 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Re: Fuel tank vent/overflow Message-Id: <3E742C03.000004.01328@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_RA0UBHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mine was bent forward. I probably should have added a protective screen.= I would be concerned about the configuration described below as it could create a suction.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Saturday, March 15, 2003 06:20:52 PM=0D To: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> Re: Fuel tank vent/overflow=0D =0D A comment... aiming your drain/vent into the wind raises the risk of it=0D becoming plugged by a bug or dirt. If the vent/drain becomes plugged it i= s=0D possible that fuel flow from the tank to the engine may be reduced due to= a=0D developing vacuum in the tank as the fuel level lowers.=0D =0D One idea I read of was to fabricate a 'T' on the end of your vent/drain.=0D You weld a short section of tube to the end of your vent/drain, the 'T' h= as=0D a hole drilled in the side of course. The 'T' is aligned fore and aft=0D outside of the airplane. If the front of the 'T' should become plugged, a= ir=0D will still be able to flow into the tank from the backside.=0D =0D =0D Clear as mud?=0D =0D =0D =0D mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca=0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: "Kenneth L Wiltrout" =0D To: =0D Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:10 PM=0D Subject: Re: KR> Fuel tank vent/overflow=0D =0D =0D > I have a 13 gal header tank that I ran alum tubing to the tail end of t= he=0D > fuse. I bent the tubing forward so it also creates a positive pressure = in=0D > the tank when in flight and acts as a vent when on the ground. So far s= o=0D > good. I also flared the end of the tubing to help capture the air as=0D > well.=0D >=0D >=0D > On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:45:44 -0700 "Bob Sauer" writes= :=0D > > What have some of you that are flying done to vent/overflow you fuel=0D > > tanks? How about you, Bobby Muse?=0D > >=0D > > Thanks,=0D > >=0D > > From: resauer@cox.net=0D > > Sun City West, AZ=0D >=0D > ________________________________________________________________=0D > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today=0D > Only $9.95 per month!=0D > Visit www.juno.com=0D >=0D > ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D >=0D > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org=0D > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D >=0D > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D >=0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp=0D or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_RA0UBHK0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 08:36:53 -0500 To: engalt@earthlink.net From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Fuel tank vent/overflow Message-ID: <20030316.083914.2872.0.klw1953@juno.com> I didn't want my overflow too close to the exhaust, if some fuel ran out the overflow and got ignited during start up I could have some real issues to deal with in a hurry. Part of my preflight is to inspect the vent for foreign material. I flew to the Virginia EAA last Sept and arrived with 3 gal in the header tank, I had no problems with fuel starvation with my design-------------it works! On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 23:10:41 -0500 Brian Kraut writes: > Why would you run the tube to the tail instead of just going straight > > down from the tank and then bending it forward? > > Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > > >I have a 13 gal header tank that I ran alum tubing to the tail end > of the > >fuse. I bent the tubing forward so it also creates a positive > pressure in > >the tank when in flight and acts as a vent when on the ground. So > far so > >good. I also flared the end of the tubing to help capture the air > as > >well. > > > > > >On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:45:44 -0700 "Bob Sauer" > writes: > > > >>What have some of you that are flying done to vent/overflow you > fuel > >>tanks? How about you, Bobby Muse? > >> > >>Thanks, > >> > >>From: resauer@cox.net > >>Sun City West, AZ > >> > > > >________________________________________________________________ > >Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > >Only $9.95 per month! > >Visit www.juno.com > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 08:43:32 -0600 To: From: "kevin" Subject: Re: KR> Re: Fuel tank vent/overflow Message-ID: <002e01c2ebca$6b3bd680$a1174a43@hppav> I would think if a vent was built as this is described, you would have a venturi that would create suction. Then you would simply suck fuel out of the tank in flight. I am sure the engine would quit before you would suck much out, but then as you descend it would continue to draw fuel from the tank until impact.............BOOM! :-) Teasing here. Kevin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Johnson" To: Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 9:40 PM Subject: KR> Re: Fuel tank vent/overflow > A comment... aiming your drain/vent into the wind raises the risk of it > becoming plugged by a bug or dirt. If the vent/drain becomes plugged it is > possible that fuel flow from the tank to the engine may be reduced due to a > developing vacuum in the tank as the fuel level lowers. > > One idea I read of was to fabricate a 'T' on the end of your vent/drain. > You weld a short section of tube to the end of your vent/drain, the 'T' has > a hole drilled in the side of course. The 'T' is aligned fore and aft > outside of the airplane. If the front of the 'T' should become plugged, air > will still be able to flow into the tank from the backside. > > > Clear as mud? > > > > mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth L Wiltrout" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:10 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel tank vent/overflow > > > > I have a 13 gal header tank that I ran alum tubing to the tail end of the > > fuse. I bent the tubing forward so it also creates a positive pressure in > > the tank when in flight and acts as a vent when on the ground. So far so > > good. I also flared the end of the tubing to help capture the air as > > well. > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:45:44 -0700 "Bob Sauer" writes: > > > What have some of you that are flying done to vent/overflow you fuel > > > tanks? How about you, Bobby Muse? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > From: resauer@cox.net > > > Sun City West, AZ > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > Only $9.95 per month! > > Visit www.juno.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 19:28:22 -0600 To: , From: "Justin" Subject: Re: KR> Flutter Message-ID: <000a01c2eb5b$55579670$dcda1818@computer> With all this talk about flutter is there any KR's that have reported fluttering? Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Maley" To: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:09 PM Subject: re: KR> Flutter Oops. In my earlier reply to Eduardo José Jankosz message about flutter, I neglected to paste the web page link that I found. Here it is: http://www.aircraftdesigns.com/flutter_analysis.html Thanks to Phil Matheson for asking the question. By the way, the search for that article also led me to one about problems with reduction gearbox designs and other problems with experimental aircraft at: http://www.oriontechnologies.net/Documents/safety.htm Well worth reading! Regards to all Phil Maley Perth Australia phil@wotech.com.au --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:07:07 +0800 To: From: "Phil Maley" Subject: RE: KR> Flutter Message-ID: Justin from KR 1 KR 2 NEWSLETTER Issue #61 - JULY 1980 --quote-- I heard a report of a KR-2 crash a couple of months ago. Cause has been determined to have been in-flight separation of the ailerons due to flutter. After the ailerons separated they flew back and knocked off a large portion of the elevator and rudder. The flutter occurred because the ailerons had not been balanced. There are two things that can cause flutter that are easily remedied in our KRs.. One is always balance your ailerons. Two, NEVER allow your control cables to become slack through wear or stretch. I don't mean they should be tight enough to hum but they SHOULD NOT SAG! Ken Rand always said the elevator and rudder did not need to be balanced because they would not flutter up to the 200 mph red line. This may be true in most instances but there are known instances of elevator flutter as low as 140 mph I.A.S. No damage occurred but the possibility is there. Unbalanced ailerons can flutter at speeds as low as 120 I.A.S. The pilot of the KR-2 that crashed survived the accident and has since recovered from his injuries. His aircraft was totally destroyed. I don't like to read or write about accidents. I especially hate to write about accidents that could have been so easily avoided. Do me and yourself a favor...check your controls carefully, for free unbinding travel, make sure your ailerons are at least partially balanced and check the tension on all the cables. Lets be safe....not sorry. --end quote-- 73 Phil Maley VK6AD (another ham operator) Perth Australia phil@wotech.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 23:06:07 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Ronevogt@aol.com Subject: Justin's Hours Message-ID: <75.c910f93.2ba5522f@aol.com> --part1_75.c910f93.2ba5522f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since Justin is only 16, I don't think he can be call a "seasoned aviator". --part1_75.c910f93.2ba5522f_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:33:09 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Oh or Zero? Maybe Zed? Message-ID: <20030316063309.73473.qmail@web40912.mail.yahoo.com> --- Fran Giroux wrote: > > this is one-oh-ESS-(not five)-four-eight-five > > Is that oh as in O or oh as in 0 (zero)? yes Seriously, I don't have a clue. What you see is what you get. But as an aviator, I should have said 'Zero', which is what I think it is, instead of 'oh'. As a written address, neither one, S or 5, O or 0, probably matters much. Sounds like a bunch of wise-guys here. Or maybe ATCs. Or college professors. Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX, where the Miss America contestants had a flower-arranging class today. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:05:46 -0600 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: More Updates Message-ID: <004501c2ebe6$ab2f3b80$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C2EBB4.604A06E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I replaced the main photo on my home page with a photo taken a few = minutes ago.=20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html Also, I have updated my photo of the week page with the painted stub = wing photos. http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/photo.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C2EBB4.604A06E0-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************