From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 17 Mar 2003 11:19:14 -0000 Issue 662 Date: Monday, March 17, 2003 4:20 AM krnet Digest 17 Mar 2003 11:19:14 -0000 Issue 662 Topics (messages 15909 through 15938): Sunday in America 15909 by: Rick Junkin 15914 by: Robert Stone Re: More Updates 15910 by: Dan Heath 15912 by: Mark Jones my bad 15911 by: Rick Junkin Re: Flutter 15913 by: Mark Langford 15915 by: wstarrs 15917 by: Ronevogt.aol.com 15929 by: wstarrs RE:New plans owner. 15916 by: volucer Re: Friction cutting 15918 by: Ron Eason 15919 by: Ron Eason 15920 by: gleone Re: Descending in a KR 15921 by: V. P. 15926 by: AviationMech.aol.com 15930 by: wstarrs Re: New plans owner. RE:I would like to put my KR project on the web where is the best place to host it? better if free. 15922 by: Dan Heath CF 15923 by: Tim Brown 15924 by: Mark Jones 15925 by: Tim Brown 15928 by: Mark Jones 15938 by: Dan Heath 1835vw adding starter 15927 by: Darren Pond Re: Oh or Zero? Maybe Zed? 15931 by: manrj.att.net Slipping with Flaps 15932 by: Ronevogt.aol.com 15933 by: V. P. 15935 by: WMartensJr.aol.com 15936 by: Ronevogt.aol.com 15937 by: Justin Retractable landing gear 15934 by: Timboyer2.wmconnect.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:04:43 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Rick Junkin" Subject: Sunday in America Message-ID: Dear Kerry, Thanks for your email! Sounds like a very exhausting weekend, but at least you had some time for relaxing and laughter Saturday night with your family. That goes a long way. Mike's team lost their first game, so we are now home preparing lunch, and making aplan for the afternoon. I think the boys and I will be launching model rockets, and then going for a hike. If I walk them for 5 or 10 miles, they should be too busy complaining to be picking at each other. Or perhaps I'll think of something better to do in the mean time. It all depends on how the rocket launching escapade goes. That's all I've time for for now, I'll write more when I get the opportunity. Have a wonderful day, Kerry! Love, Rick _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:18:58 -0600 To: From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Sunday in America Message-ID: <000701c2ebf9$4a50f980$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> If I ever saw a message that needed to be off the KRNet, this is it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Junkin" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 1:04 PM Subject: KR> Sunday in America > Dear Kerry, > > Thanks for your email! Sounds like a very exhausting weekend, but at least > you had some time for relaxing and laughter Saturday night with your family. > That goes a long way. > > Mike's team lost their first game, so we are now home preparing lunch, and > making aplan for the afternoon. I think the boys and I will be launching > model rockets, and then going for a hike. If I walk them for 5 or 10 miles, > they should be too busy complaining to be picking at each other. Or perhaps > I'll think of something better to do in the mean time. It all depends on how > the rocket launching escapade goes. > > That's all I've time for for now, I'll write more when I get the > opportunity. Have a wonderful day, Kerry! > > Love, Rick > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:28:03 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> More Updates Message-Id: <3E74FA73.00000A.01328@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_R25VH890000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark,=0D =0D Lookin good. Where is the snow?=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KRnet@mailinglists.org=0D Date: Sunday, March 16, 2003 10:04:26 AM=0D To: KR-Net=0D Subject: KR> More Updates=0D =0D I replaced the main photo on my home page with a photo taken a few minute= s ago. =0D http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html=0D =0D Also, I have updated my photo of the week page with the painted stub wing photos.=0D http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/photo.html=0D =0D Mark Jones (N886MJ)=0D Wales, WI USA =0D E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com=0D Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =0D http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html --------------Boundary-00=_R25VH890000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:52:26 -0600 To: From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> More Updates Message-ID: <005501c2ebf5$92329aa0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> 65 degrees yesterday and 60 degrees right now....all melted....yes!!!! Just finished running the engine some more. I think I will put some fluid in my brake system and go taxi up and down the cul-de-sac I live on. Bet that would get some neighbors talking. From: "Dan Heath" Mark, Lookin good. Where is the snow? N64KR Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:23:37 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Rick Junkin" Subject: my bad Message-ID: KRNetters, My apologies for the personal email sent to the list. Hit the wrong entry in my address book.... DOOHHH! Cheers, Rick Junkin St Charles, MO The spars are permanently mounted!! _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:55:54 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Flutter Message-ID: <04b801c2ebf6$0de85f90$1202a8c0@basement> I know of one KR2 that fluttered in the last couple of years. Jeff Duval experienced aileron flutter soon after he bought his used KR2. He parked it until he got the ailerons balanced properly ( I don't know the specifics, but they obviously weren't right), and hasn't had any problems since. I don't know how fast he was going, but with a C-65, probably not over 200. It makes you wonder if maybe that's why the plane sat in a hangar for 10 years before he bought it. Jeff is s KingAir pilot with skills similar to Troy's, so he quickly got it under control and lived to tell about it. You and me might not be so lucky... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:53:47 -0700 To: From: "wstarrs" Subject: Re: KR> Flutter Message-ID: <002801c2ebfe$24ae04c0$9200a8c0@bstarrs> There is the famous case of a pilot with his teen age daughter doing a high speed low pass at an air show. There was so much flutter that the ailerons came off. No attempt had been made to balance them. Both were killed. This was about 20 yrs.ago. Bill starrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: Re: KR> Flutter > I know of one KR2 that fluttered in the last couple of years. Jeff Duval > experienced aileron flutter soon after he bought his used KR2. He parked > it until he got the ailerons balanced properly ( I don't know the specifics, > but they obviously weren't right), and hasn't had any problems since. I > don't know how fast he was going, but with a C-65, probably not over 200. > It makes you wonder if maybe that's why the plane sat in a hangar for 10 > years before he bought it. Jeff is s KingAir pilot with skills similar to > Troy's, so he quickly got it under control and lived to tell about it. You > and me might not be so lucky... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:32:02 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Ronevogt@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Flutter Message-ID: <79.c9b373f.2ba64752@aol.com> --part1_79.c9b373f.2ba64752_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I heard a similar story about an accident involving a KR-2. Could it be the same accident? RV --part1_79.c9b373f.2ba64752_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:03:11 -0700 To: From: "wstarrs" Subject: Re: KR> Flutter Message-ID: <002b01c2ec29$5d6af4a0$9200a8c0@bstarrs> Yes it was a KR2 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 2:32 PM Subject: Re: KR> Flutter > I heard a similar story about an accident involving a KR-2. Could it be the > same accident? > > RV > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:01:23 +0100 To: From: "volucer" Subject: RE:New plans owner. Message-ID: <00e501c2ebff$34ef21b0$f4126850@VAIO> ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C2EC07.95EE64F0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00E2_01C2EC07.95EE64F0" ------=_NextPart_001_00E2_01C2EC07.95EE64F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GlacierHi guys, Many thanks for the feed back and advices. I was busy at the last two days painting the garage with light blue = (Azzuro). I have a 1000mm.X 4000mm.X 50mm. high pressed wood, it is very hard, is = that okay for the table? I notice that on drawing A "Side framing" there are no quotation for the = 5/8" X 5/8" spruce, a part from the fuselage length, should I measure = the size directly from the designs and multiply by 4 ?? I would like to put my KR project on the web where is the best place to = host it? better if free. Yes few many years ago I was an active radio amateur 4Z4TS. 73, Dr. Shahar Tsabari Tel. +39.0365.761000 Fax +39.0365.761900 ------=_NextPart_001_00E2_01C2EC07.95EE64F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Glacier
Hi guys,
Many thanks for the feed back and advices.
I was busy at the last two days painting the garage with light blue = (Azzuro).
I have a 1000mm.X 4000mm.X 50mm. high pressed wood, it is very = hard, is=20 that okay for the table?
 
I notice that on drawing A "Side framing" there = are no=20 quotation for the 5/8" X 5/8" spruce, a part from the fuselage length, = should I=20 measure the size directly from the designs and multiply by 4=20 ??
 
I would like to put my KR project on the web where is the best = place=20 to host it? better if free.
 
Yes few many years ago I was an active radio amateur 4Z4TS.
 
73,
Dr. Shahar Tsabari
Tel. +39.0365.761000
Fax=20 +39.0365.761900

 

------=_NextPart_001_00E2_01C2EC07.95EE64F0-- ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C2EC07.95EE64F0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:50:47 -0600 To: , From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: Fw: KR> Friction cutting Message-ID: <010e01c2ec06$1a48c210$6501a8c0@Administration> 1/2" blade. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Eason" To: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 11:13 PM Subject: Re: Fw: KR> Friction cutting > Friction cutting works very well but you may need a industrial grade, 1.2" blade saw, that's what I have used, Never tried a small one. Speeds must be 3000 fpm plus or minus. > > Ron > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "NORMAN SEEL" > Reply-To: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:48:28 -0800 > > >There was an article in SA several years back on friction cutting with a > >bandsaw It said you could cut anything, even a file. I rigged up a 12 inch > >bandsaw to run at the recommended speed, which is very fast. Even though I > >glued on the rubber tires, they flew off from centrifugal force. My > >conclusion was that at least a 14 inch bandsaw would be required to get the > >wheel speed down. It is a great idea, and I'm sure would do the job if done > >right. > >Norm > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Eric Evezard" > >To: "KR MAIL" > >Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:11 AM > >Subject: KR> Friction cutting > > > > > >Hi Netters, > >Has any netter tried friction cuttng 4130 ? It appears the blade is put on > >the bandsaw backwards and the cut is done with the blunt side of the > >blade,the saw revs increased. > >Best Regards, > >Eric Evezard > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > -- > Ronald R. Eason Sr. > Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office > J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. > 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. > Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia > Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:03:36 -0600 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Friction cutting Message-ID: <014001c2ec07$e4c754b0$6501a8c0@Administration> I have cut 1/8 and 3/16" 4130 with friction cut method. It leaves a real sharp burr that will have to be removed. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Evezard" To: "KR MAIL" Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:11 PM Subject: KR> Friction cutting Hi Netters, Has any netter tried friction cuttng 4130 ? It appears the blade is put on the bandsaw backwards and the cut is done with the blunt side of the blade,the saw revs increased. Best Regards, Eric Evezard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:10:57 -0700 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: gleone Subject: Re: KR> Friction cutting Message-ID: <3E74F671.F68ACD41@tritel.net> I do a lot of gun work and for tuning Smith & Wesson revolvers, one thing I use is a rubber abrasive wheel on my bench grinder. These are ideal for polishing said burrs. A little pricey, perhaps, but well worth buying. Ron Eason wrote: > I have cut 1/8 and 3/16" 4130 with friction cut method. It leaves a real > sharp burr that will have to be removed. > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Evezard" > To: "KR MAIL" > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:11 PM > Subject: KR> Friction cutting > > Hi Netters, > Has any netter tried friction cuttng 4130 ? It appears the blade is put on > the bandsaw backwards and the cut is done with the blunt side of the > blade,the saw revs increased. > Best Regards, > Eric Evezard > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:10:31 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "V. P." Subject: RE: KR> Descending in a KR Message-id: Just be sure you practice with some recovery altitude.. Some aircraft have very nasty stall/spin characteristics... especially with flaps down... I have no clue how well the KR slips.. -----Original Message----- From: Justin [mailto:jmw116@socal.rr.com] Sent: March 16, 2003 9:57 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Descending in a KR 40 in a T-18 Thorp and 30 hours in the spam cams (C-150,tomahawks,C-172). I sure you can clearly understand my point, you need to be able to slip a KR. If you cant keep an airplane controlled in a slip then the airplane is controlling you. The thorp was a real dog to slip but I was taught to slip and it is the best way to loose altitude when your flaps are already out. Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 9:57 PM Subject: Re: KR> Descending in a KR > Justin, > I am curious as to how many hours flight time you have. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 7:14 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Descending in a KR > > > > Why dont you just learn to do slips very well. Learn to be able to use > full > > rudder and stick track a centerline. If you cant do that, then you need > some > > serious pilot work. It may be hard in a sporty airplane but you better get > > used to it. > > > > Justin > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "V. P." > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 6:27 PM > > Subject: RE: KR> Descending in a KR > > > > > > > Why not do what we did in the F-16... lateral loaded ( 3-5 'g') check > > > turns.. bleeds airspeed very well.. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: AviationMech@aol.com [mailto:AviationMech@aol.com] > > > Sent: March 15, 2003 4:08 PM > > > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > Subject: KR> Desending in a KR > > > > > > > > > One of the neatest things about flying the KR, is to push the stick > > forward > > > and go down hill at 200 MPH. There is so little drag that the plane > does > > > not > > > want to slow down. To slow down on final without flaps or a belly > board, > > > you > > > end up pulling the nose higher and higher. Then to check your runway > > > alignment, you drop the nose and by the count of 2 your speed is > creaping > > up > > > to 80 MPH, so you pull the nose up again and repeat the cycle. > > > > > > Orma aka AviationMech > > > KR-2 N110LR Soon to have a new IVO ground adjustable Prop. > > > 1984 to Present > > > www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:20:25 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Descending in a KR Message-ID: <148.d1115f7.2ba67cd9@aol.com> --part1_148.d1115f7.2ba67cd9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/16/2003 6:11:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, md11capt@swbell.net writes: > have no clue how well the KR Spins are not recommended in the KR Orma aka AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech --part1_148.d1115f7.2ba67cd9_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:06:17 -0700 To: From: "wstarrs" Subject: Re: KR> Descending in a KR Message-ID: <003801c2ec29$cc8863e0$9200a8c0@bstarrs> I had been cautioned NOT to do slips with the flaps down. I don't know if that applies to all planes or just some. ----- Original Message ----- From: "V. P." To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 4:10 PM Subject: RE: KR> Descending in a KR > Just be sure you practice with some recovery altitude.. Some aircraft have > very nasty stall/spin characteristics... especially with flaps down... I > have no clue how well the KR slips.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Justin [mailto:jmw116@socal.rr.com] > Sent: March 16, 2003 9:57 AM > To: KRnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> Descending in a KR > > > 40 in a T-18 Thorp and 30 hours in the spam cams (C-150,tomahawks,C-172). I > sure you can clearly understand my point, you need to be able to slip a KR. > If you cant keep an airplane controlled in a slip then the airplane is > controlling you. The thorp was a real dog to slip but I was taught to slip > and it is the best way to loose altitude when your flaps are already out. > > Justin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 9:57 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Descending in a KR > > > > Justin, > > I am curious as to how many hours flight time you have. > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Justin" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 7:14 PM > > Subject: Re: KR> Descending in a KR > > > > > > > Why dont you just learn to do slips very well. Learn to be able to use > > full > > > rudder and stick track a centerline. If you cant do that, then you need > > some > > > serious pilot work. It may be hard in a sporty airplane but you better > get > > > used to it. > > > > > > Justin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "V. P." > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 6:27 PM > > > Subject: RE: KR> Descending in a KR > > > > > > > > > > Why not do what we did in the F-16... lateral loaded ( 3-5 'g') check > > > > turns.. bleeds airspeed very well.. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: AviationMech@aol.com [mailto:AviationMech@aol.com] > > > > Sent: March 15, 2003 4:08 PM > > > > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > Subject: KR> Desending in a KR > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the neatest things about flying the KR, is to push the stick > > > forward > > > > and go down hill at 200 MPH. There is so little drag that the plane > > does > > > > not > > > > want to slow down. To slow down on final without flaps or a belly > > board, > > > > you > > > > end up pulling the nose higher and higher. Then to check your runway > > > > alignment, you drop the nose and by the count of 2 your speed is > > creaping > > > up > > > > to 80 MPH, so you pull the nose up again and repeat the cycle. > > > > > > > > Orma aka AviationMech > > > > KR-2 N110LR Soon to have a new IVO ground adjustable Prop. > > > > 1984 to Present > > > > www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:25:39 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: New plans owner. RE:I would like to put my KR project on the web where is the best place to host it? better if free. Message-Id: <3E753223.00000E.01328@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_R2GVXFP0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We host ours on T3Link. It is not free. If you want a domain such as, kr-builder.org , then you need a web host. Otherwise you can probably ju= st use the free page you probably get with your ISP. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_R2GVXFP0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:55:00 -0800 (PST) To: Group KR NET From: Tim Brown Subject: CF Message-ID: <20030316235500.13917.qmail@web40903.mail.yahoo.com> Does anyone have a "large scrap" of CF they want to sell. It has been recommended that I use this type of cloth for my wing walk area. I figure a two foot width of bias cut would be ample...or more, of course, if not already bias cut. I will probably order and/or pick-up what I need on Tuesday or Wednesday so if you have a piece you want to sell it, let me know ASAP. Thanks. Tim __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:44:09 -0600 To: From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> CF Message-ID: <00a401c2ec1e$52ec7f40$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Hey Tim, I have a piece I will send you at no charge.......But...I do need your address again. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" > Does anyone have a "large scrap" of CF ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:53:27 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Tim Brown Subject: Re: KR> CF Message-ID: <20030317005327.39171.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com> I'll pay you for it...but business address is: Tim Brown 3890 11th Street #111 Riverside, Ca 92501 Tim --- Mark Jones wrote: > Hey Tim, > I have a piece I will send you at no > charge.......But...I do need your > address again. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Brown" > > > Does anyone have a "large scrap" of CF > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: > krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:59:40 -0600 To: From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> CF Message-ID: <00d901c2ec28$df7f3ce0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Tim, I just went and measures the CF I have. The largest area is 11 x 10 inches with a section going off that square which is 6 x 11 inches. You could get a rectangle out of that which is 6 x 21 inches. I apologize as I sure thought the piece was much larger. I do have a lot of small scraps which I could send along. Do you still want this or should we hope maybe someone else has a piece large enough for what you need. What size are you looking for? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: Re: KR> CF > I'll pay you for it...but business address is: > > Tim Brown > 3890 11th Street #111 > Riverside, Ca 92501 > > Tim > > > --- Mark Jones wrote: > > Hey Tim, > > I have a piece I will send you at no > > charge.......But...I do need your > > address again. > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tim Brown" > > > > > Does anyone have a "large scrap" of CF > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: > > krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 06:24:15 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> CF Message-Id: <3E75DA8F.00001B.01328@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_FCDW4961VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: or more, of course, if not already bias cut.=0D =0D =0D I don't believe that you need bias cut for your wing walk. I assume you will be putting this on top of the existing wing which already has bias c= ut on it. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_FCDW4961VA4000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:18:53 -0500 To: From: "Darren Pond" Subject: 1835vw adding starter Message-ID: <002a01c2ec23$2d437000$0100a8c0@cambr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C2EBF9.446D6800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI All Well its almost warm enough to work in the shop again My Books on the VW engine are expected in from Great plains tomorrow YAAA. More to read and learn. The previous pilot was content hand proping but I would prefer to electric start it. By design there is no chance of adding a starter to the back but I could machine a starter ring to the prop extention. I think there is room for a 8-10"diameter gear. Can any one suggest where to find the gear and a starter motor? Clare Snyder suggested this one "just over 10" diameter ring gear from Nissan Micra" Will the starter work from this engine? Also what Gauge wire will I need from the battery to the starter. My battery again by design is mounted behind the seat some distance from the engine ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C2EBF9.446D6800-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 02:18:38 +0000 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: manrj@att.net Subject: Re: KR> Oh or Zero? Maybe Zed? Hi Frank, Didn't mean to start something with my question. I'll just let you guess which one (or maybe two) of the three catagories you listed that I belong in. :-) Bob M. Abilene, TX > --- Fran Giroux wrote: > > > this is one-oh-ESS-(not five)-four-eight-five > > > > Is that oh as in O or oh as in 0 (zero)? > > yes > Seriously, I don't have a clue. > What you see is what you get. > But as an aviator, I should have said 'Zero', which is > what I think it is, instead of 'oh'. > As a written address, neither one, S or 5, O or 0, > probably matters much. > Sounds like a bunch of wise-guys here. > Or maybe ATCs. > Or college professors. > Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX, where the Miss America > contestants had a flower-arranging class today. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:44:29 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Ronevogt@aol.com Subject: Slipping with Flaps Message-ID: <197.174193aa.2ba6908d@aol.com> --part1_197.174193aa.2ba6908d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I was working as a CFI at a local flight school, our Cessnas were placarded with: "Do not slip with full flaps extended". One theory was that it blocked airflow over the elevator. Therefore, I went out and checked it out. I put down full flaps and slipped as hard as I could. Nothing unusual happened. I asked my boss about it. His explaination was: "Cessna built it's airplanes with flaps. And therefore, slipping wasn't necessary. By slipping with flaps, it was admitting that you were way behind the airplane, (if one can get behind in a Cessna). I found that to be a very weak argument. Does anyone else have a better explaination? RV --part1_197.174193aa.2ba6908d_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:23:51 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "V. P." Subject: RE: KR> Slipping with Flaps Message-id: Yes... but not C-150 or aircraft specific... COULD be an airflow problem... but 1-Flaps work by effectively changing the camber of the wing, it causes more lift but the wing will stall at a lower angle of attack... this changes the stall characteristics of the entire wing.. not always for the better. By changing the camber you change the position of the center of lift and pressure... this could theoretically reduce a given airfoils stall recovery ability... 2-The second problem is.. if a departure does occur the recovery could result in a high speed nose down attitude that is well above the maximum flap limit velocity... causing structural failure 3-slipping also significantly increases the air loads on the 'upwind' flap that could exceed design limits... VP -----Original Message----- From: Ronevogt@aol.com [mailto:Ronevogt@aol.com] Sent: March 16, 2003 8:44 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Slipping with Flaps When I was working as a CFI at a local flight school, our Cessnas were placarded with: "Do not slip with full flaps extended". One theory was that it blocked airflow over the elevator. Therefore, I went out and checked it out. I put down full flaps and slipped as hard as I could. Nothing unusual happened. I asked my boss about it. His explaination was: "Cessna built it's airplanes with flaps. And therefore, slipping wasn't necessary. By slipping with flaps, it was admitting that you were way behind the airplane, (if one can get behind in a Cessna). I found that to be a very weak argument. Does anyone else have a better explaination? RV ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:00:58 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: WMartensJr@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Slipping with Flaps Message-ID: <90.3413388e.2ba6a27a@aol.com> --part1_90.3413388e.2ba6a27a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RV, I did pretty much the same experiment with a 152, placarded against slips with full flaps. Went up a few thousand feet and selected full flaps and decided to sideslip descend. Very shortly thereafter the aircraft departed to the right. It wasn't a nice gentle departure but a full on almost 90 degrees of bank and "Where the hell did the sky go?" pitch down. Aircraft was a '74 model (737ZT) and otherwise in fine working order as far as I knew. As I had just received my license to learn a few weeks earlier I decided that I'd learned enough and haven't tried that particular experiment again. I was just bright enough to try this directly over my home field. No other traffic and I was well high enough. Lucky for me nobody witnessed the event or at least nobody ever said anything to me about having seen anything unusual. Just my $.02 Worth what ya paid for it. Walt In a message dated 3/16/2003 9:45:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ronevogt@aol.com writes: > When I was working as a CFI at a local flight school, our Cessnas were > placarded with: "Do not slip with full flaps extended". One theory was > that > it blocked airflow over the elevator. Therefore, I went out and checked it > > out. I put down full flaps and slipped as hard as I could. Nothing > unusual > happened. I asked my boss about it. His explaination was: "Cessna built > it's airplanes with flaps. And therefore, slipping wasn't necessary. By > slipping with flaps, it was admitting that you were way behind the > airplane, > (if one can get behind in a Cessna). I found that to be a very weak > argument. Does anyone else have a better explaination? --part1_90.3413388e.2ba6a27a_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:32:46 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Ronevogt@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Slipping with Flaps Message-ID: --part1_ea.36c8aa07.2ba6a9ee_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Walt; Imagine if you would have been attempted that manuever on short final, about 50 feet off the ground. No bueno! RV --part1_ea.36c8aa07.2ba6a9ee_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:59:29 -0600 To: From: "Justin" Subject: Re: KR> Slipping with Flaps Message-ID: <002801c2ec42$01546520$dcda1818@computer> Slipping with flaps extended on a Fowler type flap causes the flap to come out of it's tracks. That was what was reported to me by a CFI. That in a 150 and the 172 also has the same type of flaps. The 172 simply buffets when you slip it with full flaps. The placard says to AVOID it does not say prohibited (as told by a FAA Examiner). In a 150 there is absalutly no need to slip it. If you have all 45 degrees of flaps out and you still cnat get it down, you have some issues. I can get the VSI to peg the 2000mark with full flaps. Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 10:32 PM Subject: Re: KR> Slipping with Flaps > Walt; > Imagine if you would have been attempted that manuever on short final, > about 50 feet off the ground. No bueno! > > RV > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:40:03 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Timboyer2@wmconnect.com Subject: Retractable landing gear Message-ID: <4c.19bfb3d0.2ba69d93@wmconnect.com> --part1_4c.19bfb3d0.2ba69d93_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings Guys I'm putting fixed gear on my KR2 anyone in need or wanting the retractable gear less tires and hubs can have it just pay for the shipping.. Tim Gettysburg PA --part1_4c.19bfb3d0.2ba69d93_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************