From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 30 Mar 2003 22:07:38 -0000 Issue 672 Date: Sunday, March 30, 2003 3:08 PM krnet Digest 30 Mar 2003 22:07:38 -0000 Issue 672 Topics (messages 16209 through 16238): Re: wing joint covers 16209 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout Nav light covers 16210 by: RFG842.aol.com firewall 16211 by: harold woods Re: SLING SEAT 16212 by: The Waldrens 16214 by: Timboyer2.wmconnect.com geer placement 16213 by: harold woods 16223 by: Justin Re: FRIDAY 16215 by: Toney Roberts 16216 by: cartera 16217 by: Howcroft 16218 by: Howcroft 16219 by: V. P. update 16220 by: Tim Brown Re: Fiberfax 16221 by: Joseph H Horton Rick Nisbet 16222 by: Mark Jones Re: Fuel tank vent/overflow 16224 by: Lee Elevator Cam 16225 by: Mark Youkey 16226 by: kevin 16230 by: JEAN VERON 16231 by: Robert Stone 16233 by: Mark Youkey toe-in/camber 16227 by: larry flesner 16228 by: wstarrs 16232 by: Ron Freiberger 16238 by: larry flesner Dan and Jerry visit 16229 by: Mark Langford Dry Micro filler 16234 by: Cowgirlflying.wmconnect.com 16236 by: Justin 16237 by: Dan Heath NEED WINGS AND ELEVATOR 16235 by: SkyVisionSC.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:03:00 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: Re: KR>wing joint covers Message-ID: <20030329.090300.2472.0.klw1953@juno.com> I took a piece of white siding vinyl ( smooth texture of course ) cut 2 strips about 3" wide, attached velcro from 3M to one side and velcroed the stub wing and the outer wing. This makes a clean job that doesn't blow off and bolt inspection is a snap. It is thicker than aluminum but no need to drill holes. Try it you'll like it.-------------------6399U On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 05:58:39 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) "Dan Heath" writes: > RE: Here is a new one, how do you make the covers to cover the > joints of > the > wings and how do you attach them? > > On my first KR, I made the attach points by inserting a piece of > aluminum > angle with a blind nut on it, as the washer behind one of the wing > attach > bolts on fore, aft, top, and bottom. I am planning a different > method for > attachment on this one and will document it as soon as I get > there. > > I made the covers out of fiberglass. I made a layup of 4 layers of > glass > and resin, on the bench. This layup was long and wide enough to > wrap around > the wing joint. I let it cure to "green". At that point, it is > very > flexible and just a little sticky. I then wrapped it around the > wing joint, > with the wings on, and taped it in place. This allowed the part to > cure and > take on the compound curve. > > The final product did want to sag a little on the bottom, so I put > some two > sided tape on it between the attach points. I think that for this > KR, I > will use 6 layers of glass. > > Jerry and I will document this on our site when we get there, but > that is > probably 2 or 3 months away. > > > N64KR > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See you in Red Oak - 2003 > > See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:50:19 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: RFG842@aol.com Subject: Nav light covers Message-ID: <1c1.75ad6cb.2bb70cab@aol.com> --part1_1c1.75ad6cb.2bb70cab_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone need a pair of nav light covers for the Diehl wing covers? These are clear, molded covers for the leading edge tips of the wings. I changed my mind and installed the nave lights with the piggy back strobes from Aeroflash. Also have a spare 2" prop extension for a Type 4, weighs 21 oz. Had two machined. Contact me off line. Bob --part1_1c1.75ad6cb.2bb70cab_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:00:27 -0500 To: From: "harold woods" Subject: firewall Message-ID: <001c01c2f603$ef3bbe80$03000004@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2F5DA.06010140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have permission (by phone) from the Canadian MOT to fasten my .025 = stainless steel directly to the wooden firewall on my KR2M It is held in = place by stainless screw around the edge and by the engine mount bolts. Harold Woods Orillia,ON. Canada. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 3/25/03 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C2F5DA.06010140-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:43:52 -0800 To: From: "The Waldrens" Subject: Re: KR> SLING SEAT Message-ID: <006101c2f61a$e5e3f660$50a4fea9@holly---paden-s> Tim, Is your sling seat set up for a center stick or duel controls? Paden Garden Valley, CA -----Original Message----- From: Timboyer2@wmconnect.com To: krnet@mailinglists.org Date: Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:21 PM Subject: KR> SLING SEAT >Greetings everyone... > >I'm removing my sling seat and doing something differant.If anyone is in need >of one let me know I'll ship it to you All I ask is you cover the shipping >cost > >Tim >Gettysburg PA > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:11:57 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Timboyer2@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: KR> SLING SEAT Message-ID: <1d3.64651b5.2bb7580d@wmconnect.com> --part1_1d3.64651b5.2bb7580d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was the center set up --part1_1d3.64651b5.2bb7580d_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:31:47 -0500 To: From: "harold woods" Subject: geer placement Message-ID: <000b01c2f629$d7359420$03000004@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2F5FF.EDEA0E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin suggested that the geer(axel) should be near the CG. If it gets = too close the plane becomes unstable on the ground and you may be = spending some money for a new prop. If it is too far away it will become = difficult to raise the tail on takeoff.=20 Follow the suggestions in the book . Find out what works well for = others. By the way where are others placing their axels ? Harold Woods Orillia,ON Canada. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 3/25/03 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2F5FF.EDEA0E00-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 21:10:04 -0600 To: From: "Justin" Subject: Re: KR> geer placement Message-ID: <002501c2f669$dc58c7c0$83d81818@computer> A RV-4 is a very good example of where to place the gear. There is an RV-4 in my eaa hanger with a "bigger than reccomended" by 20 hp. It has 200HP with the normal landing gear, a newer gear is longer. This bigger engine swings a bigger prop. He has hit the prop twice and had a ground loop. He doesnt use full power on take-off because it is too unstable. It bounces very easy, you can touch down so gentle and still get it to bounce. I beleve it has 3" prop clearance but a very springy gear. The gear mouts at the firewall but slings back to the leading edge of the wing. Sounds like a bad idea but looks awsome. Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "harold woods" To: Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 1:31 PM Subject: KR> geer placement Kevin suggested that the geer(axel) should be near the CG. If it gets too close the plane becomes unstable on the ground and you may be spending some money for a new prop. If it is too far away it will become difficult to raise the tail on takeoff. Follow the suggestions in the book . Find out what works well for others. By the way where are others placing their axels ? Harold Woods Orillia,ON Canada. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 3/25/03 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:26:57 -0600 To: From: "Toney Roberts" Subject: Re: KR> FRIDAY Message-ID: <000c01c2f63a$007997e0$65c3a83f@com> Adrian, Hope he comes thru Mississippi on the way to get you. Would like to show ole Saddam some "Southern" hospitality, Red-Neck style. ----- Original Message ----- From: cartera To: Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 8:22 PM Subject: Re: KR> FRIDAY > Holy shit, now saddam is going to come after me! But that's OK > have a lot of good buddies. > > Frank Dungan wrote: > > > > Thanks... > > I posted this on the wall here at American Airlines > > fd > > > > >>> cartera@cuug.ab.ca 03/28/03 02:21PM >>> > > This is the day to say it! > > I am Canadian, but ashamed to say it because of our rancid government. > > Over my aviation years I have rubbed elbows with many Americans and > > hold an expired US Commercial Pilots License from OKC, I flew out of > > Nashville for 6 months. I stand beside you all the way not behind but > > beside you. "GOD BLESS AMERICA". > > -- > > Adrian VE6AFY > > Calgary, Alberta > > Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca > > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:33:07 -0700 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: cartera Subject: Re: KR> FRIDAY Message-ID: <3E861113.F33EC85E@cuug.ab.ca> Red Neck style, man! Toney Roberts wrote: > > Adrian, > Hope he comes thru Mississippi on the way to get you. > Would like to show ole Saddam some "Southern" hospitality, > Red-Neck style. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cartera > To: > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 8:22 PM > Subject: Re: KR> FRIDAY > > > Holy shit, now saddam is going to come after me! But that's OK > > have a lot of good buddies. > > > > Frank Dungan wrote: > > > > > > Thanks... > > > I posted this on the wall here at American Airlines > > > fd > > > > > > >>> cartera@cuug.ab.ca 03/28/03 02:21PM >>> > > > This is the day to say it! > > > I am Canadian, but ashamed to say it because of our rancid government. > > > Over my aviation years I have rubbed elbows with many Americans and > > > hold an expired US Commercial Pilots License from OKC, I flew out of > > > Nashville for 6 months. I stand beside you all the way not behind but > > > beside you. "GOD BLESS AMERICA". > > > -- > > > Adrian VE6AFY > > > Calgary, Alberta > > > Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca > > > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:18:35 +1200 To: From: "Howcroft" Subject: Re: KR> FRIDAY Message-ID: <000c01c2f642$30dc17c0$45d91bca@Margaret> Im from New Zealand our scungy govt wouldnt support the Yanks the Brits and the Aussies either.I DO. GOOD ON YA DUBYA. I support ya DUBYA. Nigel Howcroft ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:22:58 +1200 To: From: "Howcroft" Subject: Re: KR> FRIDAY Message-ID: <000d01c2f642$3475b940$45d91bca@Margaret> I m from New Zealand. Our scungy govt wouldnt support the Yanks the Brits and the Aussies either.I do.GOOD ON YA DUBYA . I SUPPORT YA DUBYA> Nigel Howcroft ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 17:04:02 -0600 To: From: "V. P." Subject: RE: KR> FRIDAY Message-ID: Thank you.... -----Original Message----- From: Howcroft [mailto:howcroft@bopis.co.nz] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 16:23 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> FRIDAY I m from New Zealand. Our scungy govt wouldnt support the Yanks the Brits and the Aussies either.I do.GOOD ON YA DUBYA . I SUPPORT YA DUBYA> Nigel Howcroft --------------------------------------------------------------------- For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:13:25 -0800 (PST) To: Group KR NET From: Tim Brown Subject: update Message-ID: <20030329231325.82038.qmail@web40906.mail.yahoo.com> KRNetters: I have not been able to work on my plane much over the past few months for a variety of reasons but this month was able to squeeze out some time to work on my wingwalk area. Today I think/hope it's more or less finished, meaning that the are will be strong enough. Still needs to be "finished" with perhaps some micro and sanding and smooth prime. You can see what I did and how and why at: http://www.geocities.com/timwbrown/wingwalk.html I used what I thought was the best of two ideas on the net...Mark Langford's and Mark Jones'. My plan was to use the "support" idea from Mark J with the foam ideas from Mark L. I lowered my supports down about a half inch and used the more dense Styrofoam at the walk area. I then sanded to contour and followed the KR manual for stub wing glassing except to add a layer over the Styrofoam. After it cured I presses on the area and felt quite certain that it would not be strong enough. So, I have now added 3 layers of CF starting with the first layer going from spar to spar just over the walk area, the second layer about 2 inches larger all around and the third layer going from where the 4 ply area on the LE ends back to several inches past the rear spar, and from rib to rib. I finished with this at about 11 this AM and she now is out there in the garage with the furnace cranked up to 80. Hope this will be strong enough and will certainly let you all know if it's not. ===== Tim Brown Lake Arrowhead, Ca. e-mail me at timwbrown@yahoo.com See my KR2S project at: http://www.geocities.com/timwbrown __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:59:19 -0500 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Joseph H Horton Subject: Re: Fiberfax Message-ID: <20030329.185920.-196325.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Guys-- right or wrong I just gave a couple of quick sprays of 3M spray adhesive to the fiberfax to tack it to the firewall then covered it with the stainless steel.--Joe Horton ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:21:20 -0600 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Rick Nisbet Message-ID: <006701c2f65a$abf45040$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C2F628.611FE480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick, I need your address. Please e-mail it to me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com=20 Thanks Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C2F628.611FE480-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 22:20:25 -0700 To: From: "Lee" Subject: Re: Fw: KR> Re: Fuel tank vent/overflow Message-ID: <003a01c2f67c$13727140$6e01a8c0@D3DF1Y11> Hey Butch, Give mae a call, I still want to see your plane/s Lee Van Dyke Mesa AZ lee@vandyke5.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "butch casdorph" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 4:16 AM Subject: Re: Fw: KR> Re: Fuel tank vent/overflow > That would be my guess too. > Butch Casdorph > Tempe, Az > N914KR > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 04:30:39 -0600 To: "KR" From: "Mark Youkey" Subject: Elevator Cam Message-ID: Hello Everyone, I'm brand new to the KR world. My uncle built one a while back, but it got creamed by a wayward set of air-stairs. Anyways, I wanted to introduce myself, and furnish a tidbit of info. I've noticed many people are trying to come up with creative ways to deal with the pitch sensitivity problem. I think that perhaps the problem has been solved already in the T-38 flight control system. When you move the controls 75% of the way, the actual flight controls move 50% of the way (or so I'm told), then when you move the remaining 25%, the flight controls hurry up to catch up, so they are maxed out when the stick is. Anyways, I figured that might be a good idea, so I designed a cam that goes between the stick and the cables so that the first 50% stick deflection = 27% elevator deflection. The remaining 50% = 73% elevator deflection. The drawings are at http://members.cox.net/myoukey/Elevator.html There, now that I've said something useful (maybe), I'll let you know my progress so far: I've moved out of an apartment into a house with a 2 car garage, ordered the plans, bought some really spiffy tools, and built a nice build table. I'm looking into using that nice new airfoil everyone has been talking about, but first I need to order my spruce and stuff. Any pointers? And anyone live near me to help me out when I need it? Oh yeah....working on my PPL, also. Our Flight Eng from when I was flying over Afghanistan is hooking me up with extra cheap lessons. (We are both mad that we are here and not over Iraq right now...) -- Mark Youkey myoukey@cox.net Oklahoma City ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 07:45:57 -0600 To: From: "kevin" Subject: Re: KR> Elevator Cam Message-ID: <001d01c2f6c2$b1b03a40$84183941@hppav> I couldn't get this site to work, but would like to see it. You are talking about exponential controls. Not sure I spelled that right, but variable rate controls is the meaning. Kevin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Youkey" To: "KR" Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 4:30 AM Subject: KR> Elevator Cam > Hello Everyone, > > I'm brand new to the KR world. My uncle built one a while back, but it got > creamed by a wayward set of air-stairs. Anyways, I wanted to introduce > myself, and furnish a tidbit of info. I've noticed many people are trying > to come up with creative ways to deal with the pitch sensitivity problem. I > think that perhaps the problem has been solved already in the T-38 flight > control system. When you move the controls 75% of the way, the actual > flight controls move 50% of the way (or so I'm told), then when you move the > remaining 25%, the flight controls hurry up to catch up, so they are maxed > out when the stick is. > > Anyways, I figured that might be a good idea, so I designed a cam that goes > between the stick and the cables so that the first 50% stick deflection = > 27% elevator deflection. The remaining 50% = 73% elevator deflection. The > drawings are at http://members.cox.net/myoukey/Elevator.html > > There, now that I've said something useful (maybe), I'll let you know my > progress so far: I've moved out of an apartment into a house with a 2 car > garage, ordered the plans, bought some really spiffy tools, and built a nice > build table. I'm looking into using that nice new airfoil everyone has been > talking about, but first I need to order my spruce and stuff. Any pointers? > And anyone live near me to help me out when I need it? Oh yeah....working > on my PPL, also. Our Flight Eng from when I was flying over Afghanistan is > hooking me up with extra cheap lessons. (We are both mad that we are here > and not over Iraq right now...) > > -- > Mark Youkey > myoukey@cox.net > Oklahoma City > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:07:42 -0600 To: From: "JEAN VERON" Subject: Re: KR> Elevator Cam Message-ID: Mike I am in a hangar with 3 KR-2's and 1 KR1 1/2 Turbine. If you are interested they are at R.L. Jones Riverside airport in Jenks, Oklahoma. That's only about 2 hours up the turnpike. Call me at 918-451-0167 or email me off net for further directions. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Youkey" To: "KR" Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 4:30 AM Subject: KR> Elevator Cam > Hello Everyone, > > I'm brand new to the KR world. My uncle built one a while back, but it got > creamed by a wayward set of air-stairs. Anyways, I wanted to introduce > myself, and furnish a tidbit of info. I've noticed many people are trying > to come up with creative ways to deal with the pitch sensitivity problem. I > think that perhaps the problem has been solved already in the T-38 flight > control system. When you move the controls 75% of the way, the actual > flight controls move 50% of the way (or so I'm told), then when you move the > remaining 25%, the flight controls hurry up to catch up, so they are maxed > out when the stick is. > > Anyways, I figured that might be a good idea, so I designed a cam that goes > between the stick and the cables so that the first 50% stick deflection = > 27% elevator deflection. The remaining 50% = 73% elevator deflection. The > drawings are at http://members.cox.net/myoukey/Elevator.html > > There, now that I've said something useful (maybe), I'll let you know my > progress so far: I've moved out of an apartment into a house with a 2 car > garage, ordered the plans, bought some really spiffy tools, and built a nice > build table. I'm looking into using that nice new airfoil everyone has been > talking about, but first I need to order my spruce and stuff. Any pointers? > And anyone live near me to help me out when I need it? Oh yeah....working > on my PPL, also. Our Flight Eng from when I was flying over Afghanistan is > hooking me up with extra cheap lessons. (We are both mad that we are here > and not over Iraq right now...) > > -- > Mark Youkey > myoukey@cox.net > Oklahoma City > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:22:46 -0600 To: From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Elevator Cam Message-ID: <000801c2f6e9$6028e1a0$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> Jean, The picture did not come in. Just an empty rectangle with a little box in the upper left corner with a red X in it. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEAN VERON" To: Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 12:07 PM Subject: Re: KR> Elevator Cam > Mike > I am in a hangar with 3 KR-2's and 1 KR1 1/2 Turbine. If you are interested > they are at R.L. Jones Riverside airport in Jenks, Oklahoma. That's only > about 2 hours up the turnpike. Call me at 918-451-0167 or email me off net > for further directions. > Jean > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Youkey" > To: "KR" > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 4:30 AM > Subject: KR> Elevator Cam > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I'm brand new to the KR world. My uncle built one a while back, but it > got > > creamed by a wayward set of air-stairs. Anyways, I wanted to introduce > > myself, and furnish a tidbit of info. I've noticed many people are trying > > to come up with creative ways to deal with the pitch sensitivity problem. > I > > think that perhaps the problem has been solved already in the T-38 flight > > control system. When you move the controls 75% of the way, the actual > > flight controls move 50% of the way (or so I'm told), then when you move > the > > remaining 25%, the flight controls hurry up to catch up, so they are maxed > > out when the stick is. > > > > Anyways, I figured that might be a good idea, so I designed a cam that > goes > > between the stick and the cables so that the first 50% stick deflection = > > 27% elevator deflection. The remaining 50% = 73% elevator deflection. > The > > drawings are at http://members.cox.net/myoukey/Elevator.html > > > > There, now that I've said something useful (maybe), I'll let you know my > > progress so far: I've moved out of an apartment into a house with a 2 car > > garage, ordered the plans, bought some really spiffy tools, and built a > nice > > build table. I'm looking into using that nice new airfoil everyone has > been > > talking about, but first I need to order my spruce and stuff. Any > pointers? > > And anyone live near me to help me out when I need it? Oh yeah....working > > on my PPL, also. Our Flight Eng from when I was flying over Afghanistan > is > > hooking me up with extra cheap lessons. (We are both mad that we are here > > and not over Iraq right now...) > > > > -- > > Mark Youkey > > myoukey@cox.net > > Oklahoma City > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:46:37 -0600 To: From: "Mark Youkey" Subject: RE: KR> Elevator Cam Message-ID: I guess I messed something up with the site, but the picture itself is at http://members.cox.net/myoukey/elevatorcam.jpg See if that works. It's been working for me. Mark -----Original Message----- From: kevin [mailto:tinyauto@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 7:46 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Elevator Cam I couldn't get this site to work, but would like to see it. You are talking about exponential controls. Not sure I spelled that right, but variable rate controls is the meaning. Kevin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Youkey" To: "KR" Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 4:30 AM Subject: KR> Elevator Cam > Anyways, I figured that might be a good idea, so I designed a cam that goes > between the stick and the cables so that the first 50% stick deflection = > 27% elevator deflection. The remaining 50% = 73% elevator deflection. The > drawings are at http://members.cox.net/myoukey/Elevator.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 07:57:45 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: toe-in/camber Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20030330075745.007c4100@pop.midwest.net> Netters, With all the discussion on gear setup, I'll throw in my two cents worth. From the Tony Bengelis book " The Sportplane Builder", page 250: ",it is suggested that the best alignment is one that gives you a zero toe-in and zero wheel camber at normal gross weight." On page 251: "You will notice that I have avoided saying anything about toe-in or toe-out. For my part, I shoot for a perfect alignment of both wheels to the aircraft's longitudinal axis." From an e-mail posted by Jean Veron: >For what its worth, Marty Roberts, Mike Ladigo and I set the toe in at zero. >Seems to work OK. >Jean I have taxied my KR a limited amount. I set my toe-in to zero and it seems to handle just fine. I've had it up to about 20 mph and it tracks like an arrow with very little input on the rudder. Go with what you think is right but these first two references have a great deal of knowledge and experience. Now some building tips: When doing your alignment, work with the largest scale possible. Drop a plumb bob from the center of the tail and the center of the firewall and chalk a line on the floor. I set mine with aircraft level. Set each wheel to the centerline and don't expect to use the same measurements on each side. Each wheel may be a different distance from the centerline. Don't ask me how I know. Use the longest straightedge you have attached to either the bracket or to the wheel with the tire removed. Measure the fore and aft end to the centerline to get your alignment. If you want toe-in or toe-out, go from that point. At this point I'll throw in a portion of an e-mail I sent to Mark Langford. This will probably start a firestorm so I'll grab my firesuit when I hit the send button. _snip___________________________________________________ I contend that the toe-in / toe-out (ti/to) setting will NOT change with the flexing of the gear leg as some have stated but only the camber. Here is my thinking. When the leg flexes up and down it is still acting as though it is on a pivot that is parallel to the aircraft centerline. If the lower bracket was set with the axle mounting face parallel to the centerline also ( 0 degrees ti/to ), then this relationship will not change with the flex (rotation) of the gear leg about it's pivot point. The camber will certainly change as the leg flexes up and down. This assumes of course that you get the spar set at 90 degrees to the AC centerline. Mine measures within 1/8" from spar tip to tail on each side for the center section spar. _snip____________________________________________________ Setting camber is more of a guess and depends on the amount of gear flex. It's probably best to set camber with shims after you have a chance to load the gear. I'm don't expect to change the mind of anyone that already has a strong opinion on toe-in or toe-out but provide some food for thought to those that haven't gotten that far in their project yet. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:57:02 -0700 To: From: "wstarrs" Subject: Re: KR> toe-in/camber Message-ID: <000601c2f6d5$01c43ce0$9200a8c0@bstarrs> THE most important point is that BOTH wheels have the same amount of toe IN/OUT. When there is a difference that is what cause ground looping. wstarrs@netzero.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:57 AM Subject: KR> toe-in/camber > > > Netters, > > With all the discussion on gear setup, I'll throw in my two cents worth. > > From the Tony Bengelis book " The Sportplane Builder", page 250: > > ",it is suggested that the best alignment is one that gives you a zero > toe-in and zero wheel camber at normal gross weight." > > On page 251: > "You will notice that I have avoided saying anything about toe-in or > toe-out. For my part, I shoot for a perfect alignment of both wheels > to the aircraft's longitudinal axis." > > From an e-mail posted by Jean Veron: > > >For what its worth, Marty Roberts, Mike Ladigo and I set the toe in at zero. > >Seems to work OK. > >Jean > > I have taxied my KR a limited amount. I set my toe-in to zero and it seems > to handle just fine. I've had it up to about 20 mph and it tracks like > an arrow with very little input on the rudder. Go with what you think is > right but these first two references have a great deal of knowledge and > experience. > > Now some building tips: > > When doing your alignment, work with the largest scale possible. > Drop a plumb bob from the center of the tail and the center of the > firewall and chalk a line on the floor. I set mine with aircraft level. > Set each wheel to the centerline and don't expect to use the same > measurements on each side. Each wheel may be a different > distance from the centerline. Don't ask me how I know. Use the > longest straightedge you have attached to either the bracket or > to the wheel with the tire removed. Measure the fore and aft end > to the centerline to get your alignment. If you want toe-in or > toe-out, go from that point. At this point I'll throw in a portion > of an e-mail I sent to Mark Langford. This will probably start > a firestorm so I'll grab my firesuit when I hit the send button. > > _snip___________________________________________________ > I contend that the toe-in / toe-out (ti/to) setting will NOT change > with the flexing of the gear leg as some have stated but only > the camber. > > Here is my thinking. When the leg flexes up and down it is still > acting as though it is on a pivot that is parallel to the aircraft > centerline. If the lower bracket was set with the axle mounting > face parallel to the centerline also ( 0 degrees ti/to ), then this > relationship will not change with the flex (rotation) of the gear > leg about it's pivot point. The camber will certainly change as > the leg flexes up and down. > > This assumes of course that you get the spar set at 90 degrees > to the AC centerline. Mine measures within 1/8" from spar tip > to tail on each side for the center section spar. > _snip____________________________________________________ > > Setting camber is more of a guess and depends on the amount > of gear flex. It's probably best to set camber with shims after > you have a chance to load the gear. > > I'm don't expect to change the mind of anyone that already has a > strong opinion on toe-in or toe-out but provide some food for > thought to those that haven't gotten that far in their project yet. > > Larry Flesner > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:51:51 -0500 To: From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> toe-in/camber Message-ID: The thing that causes ground looping is when the CG is behind the landing gear. The aircraft is trying to pass the center of pressure, and if you let it develop, it gets worse. People who fly nose-rollers tend to go to sleep once they are down, and soon find themselves in a ground loop. Flying a tail dragger is easy AFTER you develop good habits. The best I've flown tend to have the axle at about the leading edge of the wing. Don't expect a tiny amount of toe in/out to save your ___. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: wstarrs [mailto:wstarrs@netzero.net] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 10:57 AM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> toe-in/camber THE most important point is that BOTH wheels have the same amount of toe IN/OUT. When there is a difference that is what cause ground looping. wstarrs@netzero.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:06:45 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: toe-in/camber Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20030330160645.007cab20@pop.midwest.net> I forgot to mention in my first post that all this toe-in , toe-out discussion is really just for taildragger type gear. Tricycle main gear should be set to zero toe-in for best tire wear and the least rolling resistance. A tri-gear, once the mains are on the ground, will tend to align itself with the direction of travel because of the relationship of the main gear to the C.G. In a taildragger the C.G. is behind the mains so with any side loading the tail will try to swap ends with the nose. In a taildragger you are basiclly trying to keep the C.G. on the centerline with the direction of travel. If this doesn't make sense try the following. Take a stick 4 to 6 feet long and place a weight on one end. Throw the stick , weighted end first, and the stick will follow the weight. Now try to throw the stick with the weight to the rear and see what happens. Can you say ground-loop! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:41:37 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Dan and Jerry visit Message-ID: <00aa01c2f6e3$9d6b76f0$1202a8c0@basement> KRnetHeads, Yesterday I had the privilege of visiting with Dan Heath and Jerry Mahurin at their "KR Factory" (see photo at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/03033027m.jpg ). I'd have gone last week with everybody else, but was on vacation with the family this weekend in Charleston, so I practically drove by there on the way home. I must say that I'm thoroughly impressed at their innovation and level of craftsmanship. The Wannabee is lookin' great! I saw lots of good ideas, which might have convinced me to wait on final paint until I've been flying awhile, since I'll be gathering more good ideas from KRs like theirs. Their canopy latch setup, canopy support mechanism, carbon fiber hinge covers, and cowling mounting systems are just a few of the great ideas that I took away with me. Most of these great ideas are detailed on their website at http://kr-builder.org/ . Thanks for letting me interupt your building efforts, and we'll see you guys at Red Oak... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:34:25 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Cowgirlflying@wmconnect.com Subject: Dry Micro filler Message-ID: <16f.1c7840cd.2bb8aed1@wmconnect.com> --part1_16f.1c7840cd.2bb8aed1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone Someone has given me several bags of course and fine Dry Micro Filler . I'm told its much like cotton flock. Does anyone know anything about it and how it gets mixed with the T88 epoxy? Pat --part1_16f.1c7840cd.2bb8aed1_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:13:28 -0600 To: From: "Justin" Subject: Re: KR> Dry Micro filler Message-ID: <001101c2f6f0$725481c0$83d81818@computer> I know very little about micro mixing with T88. I have done a few expeiments with T88 and fiberglass onto wood. Result is fiberglass stuck onto wood that will never come off and a very strong peice of wood. If you took T88 and heated it up to 80F it will make it easier to work with micro but cures alot faster. Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 2:34 PM Subject: KR> Dry Micro filler > Hi everyone > > Someone has given me several bags of course and fine Dry Micro Filler . I'm > told its much like cotton flock. Does anyone know anything about it and how > it gets mixed with the T88 epoxy? > > Pat > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:41:01 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Dry Micro filler Message-Id: <3E878E9D.000006.01132@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_DK8L12S0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Does anyone know anything about it and how =0D it gets mixed with the T88 epoxy?=0D =0D =0D =0D Micro filler and cotton flox are different materials and really are not interchangeable. You use flox where you want some structure and you use micro, where you want light weight filler. Neither are really intended f= or use with T-88, but you certainly can do that.=0D =0D They are usually mixed with your resin to the consistency required for t= he intended use.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_DK8L12S0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:00:14 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: SkyVisionSC@aol.com Subject: NEED WINGS AND ELEVATOR Message-ID: <1d1.63ccde5.2bb8b4de@aol.com> --part1_1d1.63ccde5.2bb8b4de_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to Mark Langford, I have broken through the seemingly impervious barrier to the KR world. Thanks Mark! I am getting a really nice KR2 that has been stored for a few years, but the wings were unfortunately stored outdoors and they have water in them. I need a set of good wings if anyone has any to sell. I also could use a left elevator since the one on the craft has been damaged. I'm looking forward to finding out if these little devils will really do 180 mph! PS: have a Maloof prop still in the box that I'll swap for something useful. The controller is installed, but I can easily remove it. Make an offer if this prop is of any value to anyone. Please e-mail me at : skyvisionsc@aol.com --part1_1d1.63ccde5.2bb8b4de_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************