From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 2 Apr 2003 14:13:40 -0000 Issue 674 Date: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:14 AM krnet Digest 2 Apr 2003 14:13:40 -0000 Issue 674 Topics (messages 16269 through 16298): Re: Chicago Meigs Field 16269 by: admin.homebuiltairplanes.com 16289 by: Michael Saunders 16298 by: Frank Dungan Re: Elevator Cam 16270 by: Mark Youkey any one with a kr in wa. st. need help 16271 by: william walsh Re: similarities. 16272 by: foamhead.ls.net pressurizing/venting fuel system 16273 by: Oscar Zuniga 16286 by: AviationMech.aol.com KR-2 For sale 16274 by: WILLIAM T BROOKS III 16288 by: SkyVisionSC.aol.com new KR-2S owner 16275 by: Oscar Zuniga 16276 by: Ronevogt.aol.com 16278 by: Scott Cable 16279 by: Ed Janssen 16280 by: Steven Eberhart 16284 by: Ron Freiberger 16285 by: Ron Thomas 16287 by: Mark Langford "new" owner 16277 by: Gary Sprunger mounting question 16281 by: Cowgirlflying.wmconnect.com 16282 by: larry flesner 16283 by: wstarrs 16295 by: Aripo Wing Attach Fittings, Time to Build 16290 by: Peter Johnson 16293 by: Robert Stone A Hint for Laying the Airfoil Templates Down 16291 by: Peter Johnson New Owner 16292 by: John & Elaine Roffey Moving the CL vs. CG? 16294 by: Mark Youkey 16296 by: larry flesner 16297 by: Dan Heath Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:42:33 -0800 To: From: Subject: RE: KR> Chicago Meigs Field Message-ID: <000001c2f809$1cc8a1e0$b8137144@superfreak> Please don't forget to let the mayor know what you think of his COWARDLY actions. Here is the Mayors feedback link: http://www.ci.chi.il.us/Mayor/mayorfeedback.html JakeC www.homebuiltairplanes.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Jones [mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 5:08 PM To: CorVaircraft Net; KR-Net Subject: KR> Chicago Meigs Field This morning before daybreak Richard Daley, Chicago's Mayor, decided he would protect this great city by destroying Meigs Field. The aviation world is in shock over this. The full story is at http://www.aopa.org/ Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:54:43 -0500 To: , From: "Michael Saunders" Subject: Re: KR> Chicago Meigs Field Message-ID: <002801c2f8ba$d4b19ad0$79b07444@galaxy> I do not usually feel the need to express my opinion on some politician, but this Mayor in Chicago needs to go, obviously he has been in office for too long if he will do something like this. The ballot box is the place to show this mayor, or any other politician, what you think. Maybe it is time for the aviation community to voice it's opinion, at the ballot box. Mike Cumberland, Md. ----- Original Messa.e ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: RE: KR> Chicago Meigs Field > Please don't forget to let the mayor know what you think of his COWARDLY > actions. Here is the Mayors feedback link: > > http://www.ci.chi.il.us/Mayor/mayorfeedback.html > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:14:07 -0600 To: From: "Frank Dungan" Subject: Re: KR> Chicago Meigs Field Message-Id: Can Chicago say RECALL?,=20 I hope the mayer doesn't take a dislike to the Sears tower! fd >>> saunders01@charter.net 04/01/03 07:54PM >>> I do not usually feel the need to express my opinion on some politician, = but this Mayor in Chicago needs to go, obviously he has been in office for too long if he will do something like this. The ballot box is the place to = show this mayor, or any other politician, what you think. Maybe it is time for the aviation community to voice it's opinion, at the ballot box. Mike Cumberland, Md. ----- Original Messa.e ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 11:42 PM Subject: RE: KR> Chicago Meigs Field > Please don't forget to let the mayor know what you think of his COWARDLY > actions. Here is the Mayors feedback link: > > http://www.ci.chi.il.us/Mayor/mayorfeedback.html=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit = http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:51:32 -0600 To: From: "Mark Youkey" Subject: RE: KR> Elevator Cam Message-ID: I'll just e-mail the picture to you. I made a picture with some notes, which I mailed to Kevin, so I'll do the same for you while I figure out my website's problems. I'll do the same for whoever else would like to see them. Also, thanks for the invite. I might take you up on that in a while. Mark -----Original Message----- From: JEAN VERON [mailto:n4dd@msn.com] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 10:11 PM To: KRNet Subject: Re: KR> Elevator Cam The picture did not come in for me either. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Stone Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 12:23 PM To: KRnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Elevator Cam Jean, The picture did not come in. Just an empty rectangle with a little box in the upper left corner with a red X in it. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEAN VERON" To: Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 12:07 PM Subject: Re: KR> Elevator Cam > Mike > I am in a hangar with 3 KR-2's and 1 KR1 1/2 Turbine. If you are interested > they are at R.L. Jones Riverside airport in Jenks, Oklahoma. That's only > about 2 hours up the turnpike. Call me at 918-451-0167 or email me off net > for further directions. > Jean > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Youkey" > To: "KR" > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 4:30 AM > Subject: KR> Elevator Cam > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I'm brand new to the KR world. My uncle built one a while back, but it > got > > creamed by a wayward set of air-stairs. Anyways, I wanted to introduce > > myself, and furnish a tidbit of info. I've noticed many people are trying > > to come up with creative ways to deal with the pitch sensitivity problem. > I > > think that perhaps the problem has been solved already in the T-38 flight > > control system. When you move the controls 75% of the way, the actual > > flight controls move 50% of the way (or so I'm told), then when you move > the > > remaining 25%, the flight controls hurry up to catch up, so they are maxed > > out when the stick is. > > > > Anyways, I figured that might be a good idea, so I designed a cam that > goes > > between the stick and the cables so that the first 50% stick deflection = > > 27% elevator deflection. The remaining 50% = 73% elevator deflection. > The > > drawings are at http://members.cox.net/myoukey/Elevator.html > > > > There, now that I've said something useful (maybe), I'll let you know my > > progress so far: I've moved out of an apartment into a house with a 2 car > > garage, ordered the plans, bought some really spiffy tools, and built a > nice > > build table. I'm looking into using that nice new airfoil everyone has > been > > talking about, but first I need to order my spruce and stuff. Any > pointers? > > And anyone live near me to help me out when I need it? Oh yeah....working > > on my PPL, also. Our Flight Eng from when I was flying over Afghanistan > is > > hooking me up with extra cheap lessons. (We are both mad that we are here > > and not over Iraq right now...) > > > > -- > > Mark Youkey > > myoukey@cox.net > > Oklahoma City ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:15:12 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: william walsh Subject: any one with a kr in wa. st. need help Message-ID: <20030401071512.11667.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> i have a flying kr2 and know not a lot about it and need some help in a few areas if you live in or around wa. state and could help me out. you can e-mail at billyboywalsh@yahoo.com or e-mail you number and i will call you. thanks for you help on this william. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:31:44 -0500 (EST) To: From: Subject: Re: KR> similarities. Message-ID: <45455.152.163.189.173.1049196704.squirrel@webmail.ls.net> I never met a Canadian I didn't like. Bob Farmer > The KR net incorporates people from all over the world. We argue and > sometimes squable but it is in the interest of producing a better > airplane. The people of Canada are 75% English speaking and 25% French= . > At the moment our French Prime minister is in the driving seat. It is > characteristic of the French part of Canada to be withdrawn especially > in terms of armed conflicts. May all of the American people realize tha= t > the bulk of the Canadian people are completely behind them. Harold > Woods, > Orillia,ON. > Canada. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 3/25/03 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 07:57:15 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: pressurizing/venting fuel system Message-ID: Netters; Relative to the recent discussion of venting fuel tanks and pressurizing the fuel system, I happened to notice in the latest EAA Experimenter a test setup for checking accuracy of the airspeed indicator, using a liquid-filled manometer. What was interesting was the conversion table of speed vs. inches of water in the tube (ram effect at the pitot due to forward motion). So let's say you vent your fuel tank by turning the vent into the oncoming airstream as some have suggested. At the stated nominal cruise of 180 MPH (hold your laughter, please; that's what Rand-Robinson says), a manometer should read 15.94" of water due to ram air pressure. Converting to psi, we get 0.576, or about half a psi. Not a whole lot of "pressurization", as some were concerned about. Not to minimize the fact that some carburetors are fussy about pressurizing the fuel supply, but keep in mind that between the fuel tank vent and the carb inlet should be a finger strainer, some fuel tubing, a gascolator, a shutoff valve, and possibly some fittings... all of which will introduce pressure drop and minimize or eliminate this half-psi "boost" to where I doubt that it would be significant. Now bear in mind that I haven't flown a test setup, but the numbers seem to indicate that turning your vent forward shouldn't overpressurize your fuel system. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:24:07 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> pressurizing/venting fuel system Message-ID: <188.17650bcd.2bbb6b87@aol.com> --part1_188.17650bcd.2bbb6b87_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/1/2003 9:07:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: > but the numbers seem to > indicate that turning your vent forward shouldn't overpressurize your fuel > system. > Good argument Oscar Orma aka AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com:/aviationmech --part1_188.17650bcd.2bbb6b87_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 06:48:56 -0800 To: From: "WILLIAM T BROOKS III" Subject: KR-2 For sale Message-ID: <001901c2f85e$033def00$5e502aa2@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2F81A.C429B120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a KR-2 For sale , and yes it is the black one that you talked = about a few weeks ago . I think some one said that he wanted to know if = it was still for sale. If you want more Info. contact me . = wtb3@sedona.net Bill ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C2F81A.C429B120-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 20:36:05 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: SkyVisionSC@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> KR-2 For sale Message-ID: <13.1a92edfc.2bbb9885@aol.com> --part1_13.1a92edfc.2bbb9885_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How much Deniro? Thanks...Sherman Swofford South Carolina --part1_13.1a92edfc.2bbb9885_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 10:32:48 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: new KR-2S owner Message-ID: Folks, with some reluctance but a with sense of duty to the KR community I've just completed a long series of email exchanges and have sealed a deal on a 90% completed KR-2S with Corvair power. The builder, whom you all know, finally got overwhelmed by his family responsibilities and the frustration of building and building and never getting the project finished, so he decided to throw in the towel. So as of today, April 1st, I'm the new owner of N56ML, Mark Langford's KR. I'll be leaving for Alabama this weekend to pick it up, lock-stock-barrel, and just as soon as I've hauled it away he's going to clean out his shop and start construction of something entirely different- a Curtiss Jenny replica with Caterpillar diesel power. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 11:41:58 EST To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Ronevogt@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> new KR-2S owner Message-ID: <20.e000d41.2bbb1b56@aol.com> --part1_20.e000d41.2bbb1b56_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark is selling his KR? This must be an April Fool's joke! RV --part1_20.e000d41.2bbb1b56_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:11:56 -0800 (PST) To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR> new KR-2S owner Message-ID: <20030401181156.23980.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> --0-282931181-1049220716=:23641 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OMG! This is way too funny! Oh and Geez, I hear Mark going to be building this Curtiss Jenny with plywood bought from the Home Depot! Oscar Zuniga wrote:Folks, with some reluctance but a with sense of duty to the KR community I've just completed a long series of email exchanges and have sealed a deal on a 90% completed KR-2S with Corvair power. The builder, whom you all know, finally got overwhelmed by his family responsibilities and the frustration of building and building and never getting the project finished, so he decided to throw in the towel. So as of today, April 1st, I'm the new owner of N56ML, Mark Langford's KR. I'll be leaving for Alabama this weekend to pick it up, lock-stock-barrel, and just as soon as I've hauled it away he's going to clean out his shop and start construction of something entirely different- a Curtiss Jenny replica with Caterpillar diesel power. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --------------------------------------------------------------------- For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Linden, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more --0-282931181-1049220716=:23641-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:13:18 -0600 To: From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR> new KR-2S owner Message-ID: <000a01c2f87a$5f855f70$a800a8c0@dad> We don't have to even look at the calendar anymore to know that its April 1st, do we? :o) Ed Janssen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 10:32 AM Subject: KR> new KR-2S owner > Folks, with some reluctance but a with sense of duty to the KR community > I've just completed a long series of email exchanges and have sealed a deal > on a 90% completed KR-2S with Corvair power. The builder, whom you all > know, finally got overwhelmed by his family responsibilities and the > frustration of building and building and never getting the project finished, > so he decided to throw in the towel. So as of today, April 1st, I'm the new > owner of N56ML, Mark Langford's KR. > > I'll be leaving for Alabama this weekend to pick it up, lock-stock-barrel, > and just as soon as I've hauled it away he's going to clean out his shop and > start construction of something entirely different- a Curtiss Jenny replica > with Caterpillar diesel power. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 12:46:21 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: Steven Eberhart Subject: Re: KR> new KR-2S owner Message-ID: <3E89DE7D.2030102@newtech.com> Congratulations Oscar! You got a nice plane. Only thing I think I would do is remove all of the glass and foam from the wing and rebuild it with the tried and proven RAF-48 airfoil. I sure wouldn't trust anything designed by those fly by the seat of their pants Ph.D's at the University of Illinois. You know there have only been two KRs fly with the new wing. You can probably buy a wing kit from Van's for an RV-7 and graft it on the fuselage. Yeh, that's the ticket. Steve Eberhart Evansville, IN USA mailto:newtech@newtech.com Oscar Zuniga wrote: > Folks, with some reluctance but a with sense of duty to the KR community > I've just completed a long series of email exchanges and have sealed a > deal on a 90% completed KR-2S with Corvair power ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:09:08 -0500 To: From: "Ron Freiberger" Subject: RE: KR> new KR-2S owner Message-ID: And a Happy holiday to you. Have a great trip. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga [mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:33 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> new KR-2S owner Folks, with some reluctance but a with sense of duty to the KR community I've just completed a long series of email exchanges and have sealed a deal on a 90% completed KR-2S with Corvair power. The builder, whom you all know, finally got overwhelmed by his family responsibilities and the frustration of building and building and never getting the project finished, so he decided to throw in the towel. So as of today, April 1st, I'm the new owner of N56ML, Mark Langford's KR. I'll be leaving for Alabama this weekend to pick it up, lock-stock-barrel, and just as soon as I've hauled it away he's going to clean out his shop and start construction of something entirely different- a Curtiss Jenny replica with Caterpillar diesel power. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --------------------------------------------------------------------- For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 16:58:05 -0500 To: From: "Ron Thomas" Subject: Re: KR> new KR-2S owner Message-ID: <000701c2f899$c6baa280$c843a8c0@faaguy> I hope this is an April fools joke. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:32 AM Subject: KR> new KR-2S owner > Folks, with some reluctance but a with sense of duty to the KR community > I've just completed a long series of email exchanges and have sealed a deal > on a 90% completed KR-2S with Corvair power. The builder, whom you all > know, finally got overwhelmed by his family responsibilities and the > frustration of building and building and never getting the project finished, > so he decided to throw in the towel. So as of today, April 1st, I'm the new > owner of N56ML, Mark Langford's KR. > > I'll be leaving for Alabama this weekend to pick it up, lock-stock-barrel, > and just as soon as I've hauled it away he's going to clean out his shop and > start construction of something entirely different- a Curtiss Jenny replica > with Caterpillar diesel power. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 18:43:38 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> new KR-2S owner Message-ID: <003801c2f8b0$e7101a80$2402a8c0@800Athlon> OZ wrote: > so he decided to throw in the towel. So as of today, April 1st, I'm the new > owner of N56ML, Mark Langford's KR. I have to admit, that you even had ME going on that one! I thought "man that's great OZ, an S with Corvair power, no less! What a great headstart." I've been a little bummed out that I hadn't been able to come up with anything original for April Fool's this year, but next year I'll have a doozy, I promise. Thanks for taking up my slack for me Oscar... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 09:55:41 -0700 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: "Gary Sprunger" Subject: "new" owner Message-ID: Oscar: Priceless humor. Thank you. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:05:12 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Cowgirlflying@wmconnect.com Subject: mounting question Message-ID: --part1_a.2ec55817.2bbb3ce8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm planning on taking a long cross country flight to pay a visit to somone Does anyone know how to mount a TOM-A HAWK MISSLE to my KR2. --part1_a.2ec55817.2bbb3ce8_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 13:11:57 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: mounting question Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20030401131157.007cc5d0@pop.midwest.net> >I'm planning on taking a long cross country flight to pay a visit to somone >Does anyone know how to mount a TOM-A HAWK MISSLE to my KR2. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= I would suggest using the Wing Attach Fittings as "hard points" for you mount. Just make sure the missles drop clear before igniting or the smoke trail left by your KR will cause people on the ground to think you are either part of an airshow or a terrorist! :-) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:14:40 -0700 To: From: "wstarrs" Subject: Re: KR> mounting question Message-ID: <001c01c2f882$f67513a0$9200a8c0@bstarrs> Cow girl, I'm thinking maybe you ARE a Tom-A Hawk. God Bless America,Bill wstarrs@netzero.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: KR> mounting question > I'm planning on taking a long cross country flight to pay a visit to somone > Does anyone know how to mount a TOM-A HAWK MISSLE to my KR2. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:55:14 +0200 To: From: "Aripo" Subject: Re: KR> mounting question Message-ID: <005f01c2f8f5$bb0c0bc0$f8a21997@aripo> Use a special "Sad-ham Kit " from A&S or Wicks, here im Italy I've found something similar , to mount a KR2 on my TOM-A- HAWK missile the only problem is that you can use it only one time !!! Seriously , a friend of mine have mounted a belly tank on his Kitfox , this tank is an alluminum spinner soldered to an alluminum tube with four small wings behind , it look exactly like a bomb .... he had some problem to explain to a policeman what is for. Franco Negri I-KRFN ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 9:11 PM Subject: KR> mounting question > >I'm planning on taking a long cross country flight to pay a visit to somone > >Does anyone know how to mount a TOM-A HAWK MISSLE to my KR2. > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= > > I would suggest using the Wing Attach Fittings as "hard points" for > you mount. Just make sure the missles drop clear before igniting > or the smoke trail left by your KR will cause people on the ground > to think you are either part of an airshow or a terrorist! :-) > > Larry Flesner > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > For archive search, posting instructions, and unsubscribe info, visit http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 21:22:30 -0800 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: Wing Attach Fittings, Time to Build Message-ID: <003101c2f8d9$676d4040$53421a45@peter> ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2F894.CD7C0320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Late last summer there was a thread here about the time required to make = the WAFs. I was just about to begin cutting and drilling mine so I = thought I'd keep a log and report to the group how long it took me. In a nutshell, 11 3/4 hours. I must explain a couple of things though that caused the build time to = be as much as it was: 1) I started cutting the WAFs back in September of '02. The paint is = just drying today which explains the degree of focus and effort I = expended in making them! =20 2) I did not order 1 1/2" wide, nor 1/2" wide 4130 strip which would = have allowed me to just cut the WAFs to the correct length. I ordered a = sheet of 4130 and had to cut all the pieces out in their entirety! =20 3) To do the cutting I used a Delta scroll saw fitted with a fine tooth = hacksaw blade broken to the correct length. This was not as fast as = using a jigsaw with a metal blade, but the jigsaw would dull a blade in = about 4" or so. =20 4) The drilling was done with a Taiwan made 8" drill press, they go by = a myriad of brand names. This press was just able to drill the = lightening holes. I found that 'Rodman' bitts worked the best, which = I've only ever seen for sale at Oskhosh. As a lubricant I used dish = soap, it works as well as anything, smells as bad as anything, but = washes off when you're done. To quickly mark the hole locations I cut a piece of 1/16" aluminim to = the correct WAF shape with the hole centers carefully layed out on it, = drilled the hole centers 1/32" dia., clamped the alum to the WAF blanks = with spring clamps, and center punched through the 1/32" holes to mark = the steel. =20 The first hole I drilled in all the pieces was the 3/8" dia attach bolt = hole. Because the drillpress was not at all 'tight', I only drilled two = WAFs at a time. I bolted two blanks together with a 3/8" bolt and = spring clamped the opposite ends. This allowed me some impunity in = alignment of the holes. The pairs were matched marked and will be = installed opposite each other. I did access a large grinder to grind the radii in the pieces, and a = large sandblasting unit to prep them for painting. It took about three = hours to grind and sandblast all 32 pieces. (A hint: count all the = pieces coming out of the sandblast cabinet!) Following the instructions on a spray can of Tremclad paint, I used = primer before painting. Priming and painting took one can of each. I drilled my WAFs for 1/4" bolts. The rear WAFs are 3/4" wide to allow = correct edge clearances for the holes (the rear WAFs on the plans do not = have sufficient edge clearance), and the lightening holes in the main = WAFs are 1/4", 7/16", and 9/16" diameter. Hope this is help to someone. If anyone has any questions please email = me. mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C2F894.CD7C0320-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:06:43 -0600 To: From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Wing Attach Fittings, Time to Build Message-ID: <001901c2f8cd$490147c0$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> Pete, It sounds like you have made yourself a good quality set of WAF's. I did the same thing way back in the 70's, and in much the same way. I got a solid sheet of 1/8 inch 4130 and wore out three carbide saw blades in a 10 inch table saw cutting them all out. Now divide the money you would have had to pay for a good set of WAF's by the hours it took to make them and you can see what your time was worth. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Johnson" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:22 PM Subject: KR> Wing Attach Fittings, Time to Build Late last summer there was a thread here about the time required to make the WAFs. I was just about to begin cutting and drilling mine so I thought I'd keep a log and report to the group how long it took me. In a nutshell, 11 3/4 hours. I must explain a couple of things though that caused the build time to be as much as it was: 1) I started cutting the WAFs back in September of '02. The paint is just drying today which explains the degree of focus and effort I expended in making them! 2) I did not order 1 1/2" wide, nor 1/2" wide 4130 strip which would have allowed me to just cut the WAFs to the correct length. I ordered a sheet of 4130 and had to cut all the pieces out in their entirety! 3) To do the cutting I used a Delta scroll saw fitted with a fine tooth hacksaw blade broken to the correct length. This was not as fast as using a jigsaw with a metal blade, but the jigsaw would dull a blade in about 4" or so. 4) The drilling was done with a Taiwan made 8" drill press, they go by a myriad of brand names. This press was just able to drill the lightening holes. I found that 'Rodman' bitts worked the best, which I've only ever seen for sale at Oskhosh. As a lubricant I used dish soap, it works as well as anything, smells as bad as anything, but washes off when you're done. To quickly mark the hole locations I cut a piece of 1/16" aluminim to the correct WAF shape with the hole centers carefully layed out on it, drilled the hole centers 1/32" dia., clamped the alum to the WAF blanks with spring clamps, and center punched through the 1/32" holes to mark the steel. The first hole I drilled in all the pieces was the 3/8" dia attach bolt hole. Because the drillpress was not at all 'tight', I only drilled two WAFs at a time. I bolted two blanks together with a 3/8" bolt and spring clamped the opposite ends. This allowed me some impunity in alignment of the holes. The pairs were matched marked and will be installed opposite each other. I did access a large grinder to grind the radii in the pieces, and a large sandblasting unit to prep them for painting. It took about three hours to grind and sandblast all 32 pieces. (A hint: count all the pieces coming out of the sandblast cabinet!) Following the instructions on a spray can of Tremclad paint, I used primer before painting. Priming and painting took one can of each. I drilled my WAFs for 1/4" bolts. The rear WAFs are 3/4" wide to allow correct edge clearances for the holes (the rear WAFs on the plans do not have sufficient edge clearance), and the lightening holes in the main WAFs are 1/4", 7/16", and 9/16" diameter. Hope this is help to someone. If anyone has any questions please email me. mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 21:27:30 -0800 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: A Hint for Laying the Airfoil Templates Down Message-ID: <003201c2f8d9$6c0a4800$53421a45@peter> ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2F895.805588E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's a hint that will make life abit easier... After rough cutting the airfoil shape out of plywood, and before using = the spray glue to bond the template to the ply, varnish the ply first! The varnish will make it alot easier to remove the template and glue = later. Another hint, use a straight edge layed against the chord line to ensure = the template layed down straight. The spray glue provides a lot of = 'float' and it is easy to end up with a curve in the template. Hope this is of help to someone. Peter Johnson KR-2Sexy with a Corvair Kenora, Ontario mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2F895.805588E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 22:39:55 -0500 To: "KR Mailing Lists" From: "John & Elaine Roffey" Subject: New Owner Message-ID: <005e01c2f8c9$87d6a020$5190d43f@default> ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C2F89F.9E0DFAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yet another year passes with the KR group put to the humor of or about = Sir Markus Langford. It's only going to cease when you fly the thing Mark!!!!!! See you and your plane at Red Oak. John Roffey P.S. Use the E-Mail form http://www.ci.chi.il.us/Mayor/mayorfeedback.html l Let him know what he has taken from us. It would have been a great side = trip during the 04 Gathering in Southern Illinois. Meigs (CGX) has been a real addition to many logbooks here in the Great = Lakes Area. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C2F89F.9E0DFAC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 00:10:27 -0600 To: "KR" From: "Mark Youkey" Subject: Moving the CL vs. CG? Message-ID: I still haven't got my plans (I'm looking forward to it), but still have a question. Has anyone thought about moving the center of lift aft, rather than moving the CG forward? Is it practical? Seems to me that perhaps moving the wings back an inch or two would have more effect than moving the engine forward an inch or two. I would imagine that if you move the tail aft a few inches as Mark (who just sold his KR) recommends, along with moving the wing back, you would retain the original control feel, but increase the distance between the CL and the CG... Am I asking ill-informed questions? Actually I know I am (haven't read the plans)....so am I asking stupid questions? -- Mark Youkey myoukey@cox.net Oklahoma City ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 06:17:13 -0600 To: KRnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Moving the CL vs. CG? Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20030402061713.007ce320@pop.midwest.net> >Has anyone thought about moving the center of lift aft, rather than moving >the CG forward? Is it practical? Seems to me that perhaps moving the wings >back an inch or two would have more effect than moving the engine forward an >inch or two. I would imagine that if you move the tail aft a few inches as >Mark (who just sold his KR) recommends, along with moving the wing back, you >would retain the original control feel, but increase the distance between >the CL and the CG... >Mark Youkey ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= Mark, I think that is what they did with the 2s. Additional length was added to the tail assembly but I believe 2 inches was also added between the front spar and firewall. I've not seen the 2's plans so I'm going on mental recall here (dangerous at my age). Someone more knowledgeable will either confirm or correct me, I'm sure. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:05:01 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Dan Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Moving the CL vs. CG? Message-Id: <3E8B0A2D.000005.01132@dan> --------------Boundary-00=_DO4Q6RO0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Seems to me that perhaps moving the wings=0D back an inch or two=0D =0D You may have heard the KR referred to as "short coupled". This is what contributes to the "twichyness" that is often talked about. The further back you move the wing, the more "short coupled" you will make the KR. I believe that this is not something you would want to do. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_DO4Q6RO0000000000000-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************