Received: from [206.142.247.18] by bou2100 (ArGoSoft Mail Server Freeware, Version 1.70 (1.7.0.3)); Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:05:59 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 198lwy-000OPA-01 for lists@bouyea.net; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:00:04 -0700 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============30387989859989939==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: krnet-request@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 15, Issue 1 To: krnet@mylist.net X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Sender: krnet-bounces+lists=bouyea.net@mylist.net Errors-To: krnet-bounces+lists=bouyea.net@mylist.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:00:04 -0700 --===============30387989859989939== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: KRnet Digest, Vol 15, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." --===============30387989859989939== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Today's Topics (15 messages) Today's Topics: 1. Re: Glass cockpit (Bruce S. Campbell) 2. Engine Conversions (Oscar Zuniga) 3. Re: Glass cockpit (cartera) 4. Re: Heat Muffs (Rick Wilson) 5. Re: Glass cockpit (Mark Youkey) 6. Re: Glass cockpit (Dana Overall) 7. Re: Glass cockpit (Brian Kraut) 8. Re: Glass cockpit (cartera) 9. Re: Glass cockpit-IFR etc. (Dana Overall) 10. KR engines/ VW (Phil Matheson) 11. RE: KR engines/ VW (Goldhart, William) 12. Re: Glass cockpit-IFR etc. (cartera) 13. RE: KR engines/ VW (Ron Freiberger) 14. RE: KR engines/ VW (Goldhart, William) 15. Re: Glass cockpit-IFR etc. (gleone) --===============30387989859989939== Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="===============73696482249625639==" MIME-Version: 1.0 --===============73696482249625639== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:52:11 -0400 From: "Bruce S. Campbell" To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit Message-ID: <3EA6EEEA.28DD2A10@gte.net> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Thanks Dana, I thought before I opened my big fat mouth to ask you for the url I would go look for it myself. So here it is. http://www.dynondevelopment.com/ Bruce S. Campbell Tampa Dana Overall wrote: > Dynon Development is a company a host of experimental airplane building > groups have been following for the last year and half. This company made a > point of not supplying the instrument until THEY had done the beta testing, > not the end users. This post is off the RVlist and is from a very critical > poster. Before you say the $1995.00 price is too much, look at the > instruments it replaces and look at the weight reductions, which is very > critical on a KR. > > >>>I just wanted to let everyone know the Dynon is flying. > > I have had it installed for 4 weeks now and absolutely love it! The attitude > indication is so accurate that it is hard to believe. I replaced a vacuum > pump, attitude and directional gyro and VSI with the Dynon, leaving the > airspeed and altimeter in the panel as backup. > > I have taken the Dynon out on many flights simply to see at what point it > will loose attitude reference. Well, I am still waiting. Fact is, I have > been unable to upset it, no matter what I do. I am not talking about the > occasional light roll. I am talking about every aerobatic maneuver me and my > plane do, one after another after another non stop for 15 minutes. 4g pulls, > triple rolls, hammer heads, loops, Cuban eight's etc...... --===============73696482249625639== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:16:38 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Engine Conversions Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 Mark Y. asked what is involved in converting an auto engine to aero use. Since I'm on the digest, I may not see other replies to this for a day or two so I'll toss in my two cents' worth in the blind. I assume the discussion will be on the VW and Corvair, and I'll let someone else discuss the Subaru since it's the other popular auto engine used in KRs. In the case of the VW engine, most of the conversions drive the prop off the "wrong" end of the engine as it is used in the car, so the big consideration is providing for driving the prop off the pulley end of the crank rather than the flywheel end. Look at the Great Plains website (http://www.greatplainsas.com) and you'll see reference to their "Force One" hub and the front seal related to this. The other things that need to be considered on the VW conversion are fairly minor and have to do with carburetion, ignition, cooling, and exhaust- which aren't anything different from adapting any engine to the KR. Essentially, conversion involves a careful rebuild of the engine to improve reliability and security. Cooling receives special attention because most (all?) aero conversions dispense with almost all the cooling tin and shrouding, the forced-air cooling fan, and oil cooler setup as used in the auto arrangement. For the Corvair engine, the conversion involves the same considerations as the VW except that the Corvair is driven off the "correct" end of the crankshaft in the aero conversion as it was in the auto. Same issues of a careful rebuild to improve reliability and security that aren't as important in the automotive application. Same issues of engine cooling since all the shrouding and blower are dispensed with, except that the Corvair is not as marginal as the VW in finned areas and engine cooling in general, plus the crankshaft and crankcase are more robust in their stock form relative to the output being asked of them. Do yourself a favor and purchase the conversion manuals offered by Steve Bennett at Great Plains Aircraft Supply and William Wynne, "The Corvair Authority" (http://www.flycorvair.com). It'll be money well spent. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --===============73696482249625639== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:09:51 -0600 From: cartera To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit Message-ID: <3EA70F2F.48E84DF4@cuug.ab.ca> References: <20030423181031.71713.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 For sure one would find the bucks somewhere, wish there was something out like this when I built my needle, ball & airspeed. Tnx for for url! Scott Stanton wrote: > > Try http://www.dynondevelopment.com/ > > It does look like a nifty system. Better have a > redundant electrical. > > Scott Stanton > Raleigh NC > > --- cartera wrote: > > Hi Dana & Gang, > > Would be nice to have an URL to be able to read up > > on the specs, > > but again we don't make this high accountant salary > > and sometimes > > needle, ball and airspeed is all that is affordable. > > ;) > > Take Care! Thank You Sir!!!! > > > > Dana Overall wrote: > > > > > > Dynon Development is a company a host of > > experimental airplane building > > > groups have been following for the last year and > > half. This company made a > > > point of not supplying the instrument until THEY > > had done the beta testing, > > > not the end users. > > Adrian VE6AFY > > Calgary, Alberta > > Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca > > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ===== > -- > Scott Stanton > Raleigh, NC > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera --===============73696482249625639== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:48:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Wilson To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Heat Muffs Message-ID: <20030423224832.84429.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3EA60FCE.000017.01256@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4 Dan, Just thought I would mention them at AS&S. I figured you were already familiar with them but didn't know for sure. I hope you find some reasonable. Rick Wilson. rwdw200@yahoo.com --- Dan Heath wrote: > RE: AS&S has several designs available > > Thanks, but that is why I said "reasonable price". > I think they are very > expensive for something that is easy to make, given > the materials and skills > to weld aluminum. They can be produced in bulk and > many can be sold. I > guess it is just the old TORT thing. > > I would make them, but I can't weld and good welders > are hard to find. > > N64KR > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See you in Red Oak - 2003 > > See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the > pic > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com --===============73696482249625639== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:57:26 -0500 From: "Mark Youkey" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit Message-ID: <002d01c309eb$b6d9d6c0$90780c44@ok.cox.net> References: <20030423181031.71713.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com> <3EA6D94F.9060504@newtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 After extensively reading the site, I discovered that this is not certified for IFR flight, and Dynon is not planning on making it so. I guess they are actually planning on NOT making it IFR certified....a single point of failure for multiple instruments is the catch. However, if you get 2 of the nifty instruments, then I guess you can use it for IFR. Just thought I'd bring that to everyone's attention. Mark Youkey myoukey@cox.net Okalhoma City ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Eberhart" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit > Two hour battery backup is an option. Of course the actual horizon is > the ultimate backup :-) > > Steve Eberhart > Just a whole bunch of aluminum out in the garage that will eventually > have the tail number N14SE and go real fast > > Scott Stanton wrote: > > > Try http://www.dynondevelopment.com/ > > > > It does look like a nifty system. Better have a > > redundant electrical. > > > > Scott Stanton > > Raleigh NC > > > > --- cartera wrote: > > > >>Hi Dana & Gang, > >>Would be nice to have an URL to be able to read up > >>on the specs, > >>but again we don't make this high accountant salary > >>and sometimes > >>needle, ball and airspeed is all that is affordable. > >>;) > >>Take Care! Thank You Sir!!!! > >> > >>Dana Overall wrote: > >> > >>>Dynon Development is a company a host of > >>> > >>experimental airplane building > >> > >>>groups have been following for the last year and > >>> > >>half. This company made a > >> > >>>point of not supplying the instrument until THEY > >>> > >>had done the beta testing, > >> > >>>not the end users. > >>> > >>Adrian VE6AFY > >>Calgary, Alberta > >>Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca > >>http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>see KRnet list details at > >> > > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > ===== > > -- > > Scott Stanton > > Raleigh, NC > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > --===============73696482249625639== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:17:57 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 Hey there Adrian.........watch those green visor CPA jokes (now, now gang both us have been on various KRNets for more years than most have been building so he knows I'm kidding.) Yes, even though the unit has a self contained two hour battery backup, with notification of electrical failure, I would still assign it a separate electrical system. This is still something that is afforable if you take into consideration the items it replaces. I'm ordering one, even though I won't be flying for awhile, just to take advantage of the price. Light weight, glass, solid state with no moving parts.....cat's meow in my book. Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: cartera >Reply-To: KR builders and pilots >To: KR builders and pilots >Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit >Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:09:51 -0600 > >For sure one would find the bucks somewhere, wish there >was something out like this when I built my needle, ball & >airspeed. Tnx for for url! > >Scott Stanton wrote: > > > > Try http://www.dynondevelopment.com/ > > > > It does look like a nifty system. Better have a > > redundant electrical. > > > > Scott Stanton > > Raleigh NC > > > > --- cartera wrote: > > > Hi Dana & Gang, > > > Would be nice to have an URL to be able to read up > > > on the specs, > > > but again we don't make this high accountant salary > > > and sometimes > > > needle, ball and airspeed is all that is affordable. > > > ;) > > > Take Care! Thank You Sir!!!! > > > > > > Dana Overall wrote: > > > > > > > > Dynon Development is a company a host of > > > experimental airplane building > > > > groups have been following for the last year and > > > half. This company made a > > > > point of not supplying the instrument until THEY > > > had done the beta testing, > > > > not the end users. > > > Adrian VE6AFY > > > Calgary, Alberta > > > Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca > > > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > see KRnet list details at > > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > ===== > > -- > > Scott Stanton > > Raleigh, NC > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > >-- >Adrian VE6AFY >Calgary, Alberta >Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca >http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --===============73696482249625639== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:51:39 -0400 From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit Message-ID: <3EA7270B.7020106@earthlink.net> References: <20030423181031.71713.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 There is a lower cost version from PCFlight Systems http://www.pcflightsystems.com/ . Does anyone have experience with that one? Scott Stanton wrote: >Try http://www.dynondevelopment.com/ > >It does look like a nifty system. Better have a >redundant electrical. > >Scott Stanton >Raleigh NC > --===============73696482249625639== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:07:34 -0600 From: cartera To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit Message-ID: <3EA754F6.BF13CED9@cuug.ab.ca> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Hey, hey there ol' buddy, we have always had a good feeling about each other and rib each other occasionally. For the new guys let me say this you will not find good unadulterated advise from anyone and of course not taking anything away from Langford and some others than from these two experienced and amiable guys! There and it's not even Friday! Dana Overall wrote: > > Hey there Adrian.........watch those green visor CPA jokes (now, now gang > both us have been on various KRNets for more years than most have been > building so he knows I'm kidding.) -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera --===============73696482249625639== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 06:53:59 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9 Brian, the only drawback to the system you have a link to in the attached section below is it's reliance on the "Windows" operating system imbedded in the Compaq IPAQ palm computer. If I were to go this route with an IPAQ, I personnally would go with AnyWhere Map (do a search as I don't have the URL on hand now) and take advantage of there new artificial horizon, downloadable NEXRAD weather, moving map, approach plates, etc. The cost of the IPAQ plus the software gets the Windows based unit rather pricey also. As for the Dynon unit not being "IFR certified", no artifial horizon is IFR certified. The unit is either certified or not certified nessesitating a 337 for it's install in a certified panel. In an experimental airplane, the Dynon unit satisfies the equipment list for required instruments. No inclusive instrument replacement is a required instrument for the ground facilities to be used for IFR navigation, ie., VOR, GPS, ADF or glideslope. Only those instruments must be "certified" by the IFR pilot with the altimeter and encoded transponder receiving there papers every two years. Thus, the instruments replaced by this unit fall only under the required instruments as per the required list. This also applies to your VFR required instruments, excluding your engine instruments. Yes, the compass function replaces the requirement of a whiskey compass. what Dynon says is they are not going to go through the certifying process to remove the 337 requirement in a certified airplane. Now, to get to the peeking order of the Dynon unit and IPAQ. I'll use the Dynon as primary (no windows to reboot) and the AnyWhere Map IPAQ based as my backup. Yes, my airplane will be IFR and will be used as such. Hey Adrian.........has it stopped snowing yet (listen to him guys, when I see his name on a post.....I READ it!!) I still like the joke about where does a Canadian know where to stop going south.......put a snowblower in the back of your truck......drive until someone says "What the he#$%#$ is that??" That's where to stop and retire:-) Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: Brian Kraut >Reply-To: engalt@earthlink.net, KR builders and pilots >To: KR builders and pilots >Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit >Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:51:39 -0400 > >There is a lower cost version from PCFlight Systems >http://www.pcflightsystems.com/ . Does anyone have experience with that >one? > >Scott Stanton wrote: > >>Try http://www.dynondevelopment.com/ >> >>It does look like a nifty system. Better have a >>redundant electrical. >> >>Scott Stanton >>Raleigh NC >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --===============73696482249625639== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:33:23 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>KR engines/ VW Message-ID: <003d01c30a55$a5f2b330$4497dccb@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 10 Well, our new VW engine is now flying, Have a look at the Homebuilt web listedbelow, then look under Kit = aircraft. I have some better Pictures, but would have to send them to how every = wants them, or if some wants them on a web page, good shots of the = engine. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au See our VW Engines and Home built web page at www.vw-engines,com www.homebuilt-aviation.com/From jmw116@socal.rr.com Thu Apr 24 07:17:30 2003 Received: from orngca-mls03.socal.rr.com ([66.75.160.18]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 198hXW-000Mnr-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 07:17:30 -0700 Received: from computer (cpe-24-24-216-131.socal.rr.com [24.24.216.131]) by orngca-mls03.socal.rr.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with SMTP id h3OEGIL29259 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 07:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000f01c30abf$d933d570$83d81818@computer> From: "Justin" To: Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 19:15:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Canopy X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: What kind of canopy is used on Roy Marchs KR2S? http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kroym.html Justin --===============73696482249625639== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:31:17 -0400 From: "Goldhart, William" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: RE: KR>KR engines/ VW Message-ID: <5D65EF334A08D611BAC800508BB8BCA705514E03@tornt4.mdshealth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 Sorry Pjil but I was not able to connect thru these URL's William -----Original Message----- From: Phil Matheson [mailto:matheson@dodo.com.au] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 7:33 AM To: KRnet Subject: KR>KR engines/ VW Well, our new VW engine is now flying, Have a look at the Homebuilt web listedbelow, then look under Kit aircraft. I have some better Pictures, but would have to send them to how every wants them, or if some wants them on a web page, good shots of the engine. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au See our VW Engines and Home built web page at www.vw-engines,com www.homebuilt-aviation.com/_______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============73696482249625639== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 08:43:14 -0600 From: cartera To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc. Message-ID: <3EA7F802.5F02432B@cuug.ab.ca> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Good Morning Gang, IFR certified? if in met conditions and that engine stops it ends up just like Ken (may he rest in peace) it is a great fun airplane BUT!! Dana, should hop into that banana and come up here, today should be 20C/70F have not had snow for some time and we could have used it because we just about ended up in a semi arid country last year. Dana Overall wrote: > > Brian, the only drawback to the system you have a link to in the attached > section below is it's reliance on the "Windows" operating system imbedded in -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera --===============73696482249625639== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:07:40 -0400 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>KR engines/ VW Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5D65EF334A08D611BAC800508BB8BCA705514E03@tornt4.mdshealth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 William said; Sorry Pjil but I was not able to connect thru these URL's William www.vw-engines.com Try this; it was a typo, like Pjil Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com --===============73696482249625639== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 13:24:16 -0400 From: "Goldhart, William" To: "'rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com'" , "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: RE: KR>KR engines/ VW Message-ID: <5D65EF334A08D611BAC800508BB8BCA705514E06@tornt4.mdshealth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14 That URL worked, thnks. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Freiberger [mailto:rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 12:08 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: RE: KR>KR engines/ VW William said; Sorry Pjil but I was not able to connect thru these URL's William www.vw-engines.com Try this; it was a typo, like Pjil Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============73696482249625639== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:05:10 -0600 From: gleone To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc. Message-ID: <3EA82756.63E805DD@tritel.net> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 AnyWhereMap can be ordered separately from Sporty's Pilot Shop which will save a chunk of change. I have an iPaq and that's what I did. Dana Overall wrote: > Brian, the only drawback to the system you have a link to in the attached > section below is it's reliance on the "Windows" operating system imbedded in > the Compaq IPAQ palm computer. If I were to go this route with an IPAQ, I > personnally would go with AnyWhere Map (do a search as I don't have the URL > on hand now) and take advantage of there new artificial horizon, > downloadable NEXRAD weather, moving map, approach plates, etc. The cost of > the IPAQ plus the software gets the Windows based unit rather pricey also. > > As for the Dynon unit not being "IFR certified", no artifial horizon is IFR > certified. The unit is either certified or not certified nessesitating a > 337 for it's install in a certified panel. In an experimental airplane, the > Dynon unit satisfies the equipment list for required instruments. No > inclusive instrument replacement is a required instrument for the ground > facilities to be used for IFR navigation, ie., VOR, GPS, ADF or glideslope. > Only those instruments must be "certified" by the IFR pilot with the > altimeter and encoded transponder receiving there papers every two years. > Thus, the instruments replaced by this unit fall only under the required > instruments as per the required list. This also applies to your VFR > required instruments, excluding your engine instruments. Yes, the compass > function replaces the requirement of a whiskey compass. what Dynon says is > they are not going to go through the certifying process to remove the 337 > requirement in a certified airplane. > > Now, to get to the peeking order of the Dynon unit and IPAQ. I'll use the > Dynon as primary (no windows to reboot) and the AnyWhere Map IPAQ based as > my backup. Yes, my airplane will be IFR and will be used as such. > > Hey Adrian.........has it stopped snowing yet (listen to him guys, when I > see his name on a post.....I READ it!!) I still like the joke about where > does a Canadian know where to stop going south.......put a snowblower in the > back of your truck......drive until someone says "What the he#$%#$ is > that??" That's where to stop and retire:-) > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider/fuselage > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > >From: Brian Kraut > >Reply-To: engalt@earthlink.net, KR builders and pilots > >To: KR builders and pilots > >Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit > >Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:51:39 -0400 > > > >There is a lower cost version from PCFlight Systems > >http://www.pcflightsystems.com/ . Does anyone have experience with that > >one? > > > >Scott Stanton wrote: > > > >>Try http://www.dynondevelopment.com/ > >> > >>It does look like a nifty system. Better have a > >>redundant electrical. > >> > >>Scott Stanton > >>Raleigh NC > >> > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============73696482249625639==-- --===============30387989859989939== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============30387989859989939==--