Received: from [206.142.247.18] by bou2100 (ArGoSoft Mail Server Freeware, Version 1.70 (1.7.0.3)); Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:53:33 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1997ID-0006XC-00; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:47:25 -0700 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1813882296528373==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: krnet-request@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 16, Issue 1 To: krnet@mylist.net X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Sender: krnet-bounces@mylist.net Errors-To: krnet-bounces@mylist.net Message-Id: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:47:25 -0700 --===============1813882296528373== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: KRnet Digest, Vol 16, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." --===============1813882296528373== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Today's Topics (17 messages) Today's Topics: 1. Re: Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long (Dana Overall) 2. Re: Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long (larry severson) 3. Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long (Brian Kraut) 4. Request your opinions. (Mark Youkey) 5. RE: Request your opinions. (Ron Freiberger) 6. Re: Request your opinions. (larry severson) 7. Re: Request your opinions. (Dan Heath) 8. Re: Canopy (Justin) 9. Re: Vacuum (KRBuilder) 10. Re: RE:Canopy (Dan Heath) 11. Re: RE:Canopy (Mark Langford) 12. Retracts for sale (Peg and Mike Meyer) 13. Re: RE:Canopy (Justin) 14. Forward Deck (Justin) 15. Re: Retracts for sale (Paul Gangemi) 16. Re: RE:Canopy (Mark Langford) 17. Re: Retracts for sale (Peg and Mike Meyer) --===============1813882296528373== Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="===============60109204423789353==" MIME-Version: 1.0 --===============60109204423789353== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:12:35 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 I did leave one "opinion" (there we go again, everybody has one) concerning the post about the IFR........I wouldn't build a KR with hard IFR in mind. I have posted a hood training method, that I use personnally, on the KRNet in the past that builds on a stair step learning curve with the KR in mind. This plan that I use is gleaned from my training for instrument, commercial and CFI. It is based on the premise that the best place to be IFR in a KR is under the hood or in the process of a standard rate turn that hopefully will get you out of the clouds in less than 1.5 minutes with the dirty side down. Best thing is to keep the KR out of the clouds but the next best thing is to fly the airplance safely out of the clouds. Do this over about three flights and then practice it on a regular basis. Use a qualified safety pilot and try and figure out a good manuevering speed, that which full control deflection will merely stall the airplane not cause structural damage. At five hundred feet put the foggles on and maintain your heading until reaching your pre determined altitude. At that altitude level off and practice climbs and descents to altitudes in 500 foot increments. Maintain attitude and airspeed +_ 10 degrees or 10 kts. Remember pitch for airspeed power for altitude. When you feel comforatable with this maintain an assigned altitude and initiate turns to a heading of no more than thirty degrees both directions. Remember, maintain altitude. When comforable with this move on to 60 degree horizon changes then 90 degree. Figure out, if you don't have a AH or needle, what a standard rate turn is. This turn is 3 degrees per second or 10 seconds to travel 30 degrees, 20 for 60 and 30 seconds for a 90 degree turn. Now, maintain altitude and do a 180 degree turn while maintaining altitude and never exceeding a standard rate turn. Time the turn for one minute, this should give you 180 degrees. By timing the turn, it just lets you know how much longer you are going to be in the soup so it doesn't surprise you. Enough for one day...........take off the foggles, roll the thing, and land. Second lesson: Up to 500 put the foggles on then maintain heading and climb to your "assigned" altitude. Practice a climb, descent, and a couple turns. Now, climb 500 feet while turning to a heading 30 degrees off your nose. Descend 500 feet and turn back the 30 degrees. Practice this until you can climb 500 feet and turn 90 degrees off your original heading. Remember to time these turns so you know about when you should be leveling the wings. Situational awareness is the name of the game. Once again, take the foggles off and roll the airplane twice and you are becoming a hotshot pilot. Final one: up to 500 then you know the drill. Fly around a bit with your safety pilot acting as ATC. Climb a couple time as if getting over terrain, turn a couple times as if beng vectored. Have your safety pilot act out a radar assisted approach. This is where the stair step learning you have done comes into play. You will have to descend, maintain airspeed and wings level to an assigned heading or stop turning at a stop command. At a pre choosen altitude remove the foggles, you should be on short final and a safe to land altitude. Land it, it harder than you imagined as it takes a while for eyes to adjust. What you have done is gone from level flight, to altitude changes with no turns, to turns while level to climbs/desents with turns to all of the above in one final lesson. You teach yourself to be comfortable. You can do this in about 2 hours of flight time. These two hours can be a lifesaver. You be the judge concerning your current ability to safely and efficiently perform the above while you read this. What's two hours out of your time worth...........your life?, once again you be the judge. Now, just practice it when flying with a climb to a turned heading and do a 180 thrown in for good measure. You will feel much more confident in your ability to stay alive rather than just trying to avoid dying. I can get on a soapbox about this, as I believe most would agree with me, in that unless you train for it you won't be comfortable with flying under the hood. Let's be honest, how many people on this list put foggles on monthly, quarterly, semi yearly or yearly since they had to wear them to pass their checkride. Don't try to get out faster by steepening your turn...bad things happen here. Let's say you do steepen the turn, while at the same time pulling back on the throttle, the increased G-load as a result of this turn increase your stalling speed. Bad thing IFR with a wing low. I know it's not fun flying under the hood but it can save your life. It will make you a better pilot and isn't that what we strieve for?? Once again, this is something I practice as I do fly IFR but I think is invaluable to the VFR pilot. If one person who reads this does it, then my typing it is worth the time spent at the computer. I have a friend, who after slipping and busting his butt on the ramp ice, literally kissed the ground. Hood training is some of the most valuable training you can do. Man, I gotta get of this box. Back to your regular programming.........nope I didn't spell check it so beat with an AN470 4-7.wetnoodle Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --===============60109204423789353== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:32:20 -0700 From: larry severson To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030424142710.00bcb0f0@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 Excellent suggestions; however, I would back it up with Microsoft FLT SIMPro with stick and peddles. Take the instrument training there and fly a number of instrument approaches until you easily perform them. This will not make you an instrument pilot, but it will significantly improve your safety when you get caught wrong side of a cloud. By the way, I got the total rig for $200 on Amazon.com. Software on amazon and a referral to the manufacturer from them. >I did leave one "opinion" (there we go again, everybody has one) >concerning the post about the IFR........I wouldn't build a KR with hard >IFR in mind. >Dana Overall Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com --===============60109204423789353== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:16:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long Message-ID: <6159548.1051222252485.JavaMail.nobody@grover.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 I have heard several opinions on IFR in a KR ranging from it can be done but is a lot of work all the way to you will die if you even attemp it. I haven't flown mine yet so my opinion is worth what you paid for it, but here it is. The first thing I bought to add to my KR after I got it was a turn coordinator. I consider this instrument mandatory in any plane that has no other gyro instruments. Simply put, when you accidently get stuck in the soup one day the TC and your previous practice under the hood with it will probably save your life. Keeping the sunny side up without it or any other gyro instruments is a toss of the dice at best. With just the TC and partial panel training from an instructor you have a very good chance of seeing tomorrow. I left holes in my panel for an attitude indicator and heading indicator, but am holding off on the vacuum pump and instruments right now. After I get some time in the plane I will see how easy it is to fly under the hood with just the TC. If I can keep the sunny side up and the nose pointed in the right direction fairly easily I will get the vacuum instruments to make it IFR. If I can't comfortably fly it partial panel then I won't bother making it IFR. Before I get flamed, I realize that the KR is not an IFR cross country plane. I would only want it IFR for getting up and down through cloud layers, etc. -------Original Message------- From: Dana Overall Sent: 04/24/03 05:12 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long > > I did leave one "opinion" (there we go again, everybody has one) concerning the post about the IFR........I wouldn't build a KR with hard IFR in mind. --===============60109204423789353== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:43:35 -0500 From: "Mark Youkey" To: "KR" Subject: KR>Request your opinions. Message-ID: <003c01c30ab2$f0f43ae0$90780c44@ok.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 It seems as if most of the posters out there have a great deal more = experience than I do, so I'd like to present my current thoughts, and = see what you have to say. This is a bit windy, so if you don't want to = feel like giving me any advice, it is probably a waste of your time to = continue reading. The wood for my airplane arrived in OKC today, but at the house tomorrow = at 1:00...So I'm excited. I'm looking for canopies, engines, gear, and instruments. I've read = that fixed KR gear with good wheel pants feels as aerodynamic as = retracts...so if that is the case, I'll probably just build fixed gear, = for ease of building, and no chance of a gear up landing. My Uncle had one of those in his KR, with = damage only to the prop, since the wheels stick down a bit when they are retracted. I'm not sold on a particular engine yet, but I'm thinking about perhaps = using a Mazda 13B rotary engine, since the rotary engine seems to be = relatively light by the nature of the engine--less parts, more hollow = areas of the engine...but the same horsepower. I'm also looking at the = rpm where the most horsepower is developed. I think I want it lowest = possible, so I am using the meat of the engine during cruise, and I = don't have to listen to a wrapped up engine during that time. One of the canopies I'm looking at is at http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/cabin-xl.html I'm interested in that = so I can see behind me, and it's available tinted. I'm not sure tinted is = the way to go, because it would make night flying more difficult, but it = seems to work in cars. Another route would be to get it clear and tint the = back 1/2 or something. I suppose that needs to be thought through before I = spend money on it. The Zenith canopies are designed to be 44" wide, and I'm = not sure how much I can deform them without distorting the visibility. I = talked to the manufacturer and they said the canopies are pretty flimsy before = they are set in a frame, so I should be able to tweak it a few inches, at = least. Gear...I'm putting tricycle gear on, although I haven't seen plans that include that yet....just lots of working models. I haven't really = shopped for it...just got a catalog from grove. I suppose I need to = decide that pretty soon, since I am planning on using AS5048 wings, and = Bernie ran into a problem or two. Another thing I'm working on is designing some independantly adjustable rudder pedals that don't weigh a bunch. My legs are a lot longer than Wilette's and I want us both to be able to be comfortable at the same = time. I usually use the furthest back position on most cars I drive, so I'll probably make whatever that measurement as the furthest my rudder pedals = are away, then I'll see how much play I have to make the pedals = adjustable, and then max out the adjustability. Instruments...Through my studies in college, I'm sold on solid state electronics...I trust them more than I trust gyros. I was going to make = several digital instruments on my own (CG calculator, using strain = gauges on the gear, temp gauges, and whatever else I can conjur up)... = So, I'm not adverse to using an EFIS-type system as my primary (and only = in some cases) instruments. I'm not sure what the rules for international flight are for sure = (probably depends on what country you are in, and if you happen to be bombing that country at the time), but that is the main reason I want the airplane = set up for IFR... (Not that I plan on flying in any country we are = bombing----in a KR, at least) So, am I on the right track? Thanks for the input. Mark Youkey myoukey@cox.net Okalhoma City --===============60109204423789353== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:56:45 -0400 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>Request your opinions. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003c01c30ab2$f0f43ae0$90780c44@ok.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Forget KR-IFR. Provide enough instruments to GET OUT of trouble, not in. If you want to do engine experiments, put one on a reliable test bed, like a Cessna 150 KISS ... a good rule. Go for a short project, get the shortcuts where you can. You'll do that on your second project, etcetera Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Youkey Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 6:44 PM To: KR Subject: KR>Request your opinions. It seems as if most of the posters out there have a great deal more experience than I do, so I'd like to present my current thoughts, and see what you have to say. This is a bit windy, so if you don't want to feel like giving me any advice, it is probably a waste of your time to continue reading. The wood for my airplane arrived in OKC today, but at the house tomorrow at 1:00...So I'm excited. I'm looking for canopies, engines, gear, and instruments. I've read that fixed KR gear with good wheel pants feels as aerodynamic as retracts...so if that is the case, I'll probably just build fixed gear, for ease of building, and no chance of a gear up landing. My Uncle had one of those in his KR, with damage only to the prop, since the wheels stick down a bit when they are retracted. I'm not sold on a particular engine yet, but I'm thinking about perhaps using a Mazda 13B rotary engine, since the rotary engine seems to be relatively light by the nature of the engine--less parts, more hollow areas of the engine...but the same horsepower. I'm also looking at the rpm where the most horsepower is developed. I think I want it lowest possible, so I am using the meat of the engine during cruise, and I don't have to listen to a wrapped up engine during that time. One of the canopies I'm looking at is at http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/xl/cabin-xl.html I'm interested in that so I can see behind me, and it's available tinted. I'm not sure tinted is the way to go, because it would make night flying more difficult, but it seems to work in cars. Another route would be to get it clear and tint the back 1/2 or something. I suppose that needs to be thought through before I spend money on it. The Zenith canopies are designed to be 44" wide, and I'm not sure how much I can deform them without distorting the visibility. I talked to the manufacturer and they said the canopies are pretty flimsy before they are set in a frame, so I should be able to tweak it a few inches, at least. Gear...I'm putting tricycle gear on, although I haven't seen plans that include that yet....just lots of working models. I haven't really shopped for it...just got a catalog from grove. I suppose I need to decide that pretty soon, since I am planning on using AS5048 wings, and Bernie ran into a problem or two. Another thing I'm working on is designing some independantly adjustable rudder pedals that don't weigh a bunch. My legs are a lot longer than Wilette's and I want us both to be able to be comfortable at the same time. I usually use the furthest back position on most cars I drive, so I'll probably make whatever that measurement as the furthest my rudder pedals are away, then I'll see how much play I have to make the pedals adjustable, and then max out the adjustability. Instruments...Through my studies in college, I'm sold on solid state electronics...I trust them more than I trust gyros. I was going to make several digital instruments on my own (CG calculator, using strain gauges on the gear, temp gauges, and whatever else I can conjur up)... So, I'm not adverse to using an EFIS-type system as my primary (and only in some cases) instruments. I'm not sure what the rules for international flight are for sure (probably depends on what country you are in, and if you happen to be bombing that country at the time), but that is the main reason I want the airplane set up for IFR... (Not that I plan on flying in any country we are bombing----in a KR, at least) So, am I on the right track? Thanks for the input. Mark Youkey myoukey@cox.net Okalhoma City _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============60109204423789353== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:25:01 -0700 From: larry severson To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Request your opinions. Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030424162159.03046f58@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <003c01c30ab2$f0f43ae0$90780c44@ok.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 AI'm not sold on a particular engine yet, but I'm thinking about perhaps using a Mazda 13B rotary engine, since the rotary engine seems to be relatively light by the nature of the engine--less parts, more hollow areas of the engine...but the same horsepower. I'm also looking at the rpm where the most horsepower is developed. The Mazda engine needs a reduction unit since it is not efficient below 5000 RPM. In fact, higher is better. You will rapidly run into a weight problem for the KR2. I love the rotary, but only on a bigger plane. If I ever build a Cozy or Velocity, it will be Mazda powered! Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com --===============60109204423789353== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 20:58:02 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Request your opinions. Message-ID: <3EA8B24A.000001.01472@dan> References: <003c01c30ab2$f0f43ae0$90780c44@ok.cox.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 RE: So, am I on the right track? Thanks for the input=0D =0D Send the wood back. What you want is not a KR. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Thu Apr 24 18:02:37 2003 Received: from mta01.alltel.net ([166.102.165.143] helo=mta01-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 198rbo-0000va-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:02:37 -0700 Received: from dan ([151.213.92.238]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20030425010126.EKUN14880.mta01-srv.alltel.net@dan> for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 20:01:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3EA8B429.000003.01472@dan> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:06:02 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (1850894) From: "Dan Heath" References: <6159548.1051222252485.JavaMail.nobody@grover.psp.pas.earthlink.net> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: Re: KR>Glass cockpit-IFR etc.-Long Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: RE: If I can keep the sunny side up and the nose pointed in the right direction fairly easily I will get the vacuum instruments to make it IFR.= =0D =0D No flame here. I think your approach is good. I used to think that way = too I will tell you, I had an electric turn coordinator and it, and a frien= d on the radio, saved my life.=0D =0D If you do pass the test and continue on toward IFR, you will have to get over the problem of getting an air supply system. You may want to consid= er an aircraft engine for this purpose. I have never figured out how to put= an air pump for vacuum instruments, on a VW engine. However, I am sure it c= an be done. =0D =0D Good building and good luck.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From langford@hiwaay.net Thu Apr 24 19:27:28 2003 Received: from ant.hiwaay.net ([216.180.54.10] helo=mail.hiwaay.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 198svw-0001DF-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 19:27:28 -0700 Received: from 800Athlon (user-24-214-106-15.knology.net [24.214.106.15]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h3P2QDHd546793 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:26:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002d01c30ad2$0ba812c0$2402a8c0@800Athlon> From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <000f01c30abf$d933d570$83d81818@computer> Subject: Re: KR>Canopy Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:26:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mark Langford , KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Justin wrote: > What kind of canopy is used on Roy Marchs KR2S? It's a Dragonfly, which was used as a model for the KR2S canopy. They are virtually identical, from what I can tell, other than the RR canopy is 3/16" and the Dragonfly is 1/8" thick, making it lighter. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --===============60109204423789353== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:44:42 -0500 From: "Justin" To: "Mark Langford" , "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Canopy Message-ID: <000601c30b30$d3418c90$83d81818@computer> References: <000f01c30abf$d933d570$83d81818@computer> <002d01c30ad2$0ba812c0$2402a8c0@800Athlon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 The way the canopy opens is just apealing to me. What about the Lancair 320 canopys (slides forward), would it work for a KR2S? Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: Re: KR>Canopy > Justin wrote: > > > What kind of canopy is used on Roy Marchs KR2S? > > It's a Dragonfly, which was used as a model for the KR2S canopy. They are > virtually identical, from what I can tell, other than the RR canopy is 3/16" > and the Dragonfly is 1/8" thick, making it lighter. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > --===============60109204423789353== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 05:59:05 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "KRBuilder" To: "krnet@mylist.net" , Subject: KR>Re: Vacuum Message-ID: <3EA93119.000001.01472@dan> References: <003f01c30ae6$de83a0b0$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 You know that www.anywheremap.com has a module that simulates all the gyr= os. The upgrade to their GPS system is about $2000. WWW.gonavgps.com also h= as one. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Fri Apr 25 02:57:55 2003 Received: from mta01.alltel.net ([166.102.165.143] helo=mta01-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 198zxr-0002ag-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 02:57:55 -0700 Received: from dan ([151.213.92.238]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20030425095646.HZDS14880.mta01-srv.alltel.net@dan> for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 04:56:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3EA931A1.000003.01472@dan> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:01:21 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (1850894) From: "Dan Heath" References: <000601c30b30$d3418c90$83d81818@computer> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: KR>Canopy Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: RE: What about the Lancair 320=0D canopys (slides forward), would it work for a KR2S?=0D =0D =0D I think that with some good engineering it could be done. If you do it, document it for everyone else. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From bearsfrizz@hotmail.com Fri Apr 25 02:59:54 2003 Received: from f17.law12.hotmail.com ([64.4.19.17] helo=hotmail.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 198zzm-0002e7-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 02:59:54 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 02:58:45 -0700 Received: from 68.84.89.187 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:58:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.84.89.187] X-Originating-Email: [bearsfrizz@hotmail.com] From: "ace nunye" To: krnet@mylist.net Bcc: Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 05:58:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2003 09:58:45.0443 (UTC) FILETIME=[427E5130:01C30B11] Subject: KR>RE:Canopy X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help:
I have a D/F canopy and what was advertised as a KR-2S canopy and looks to me like there is gonna be ALOT of cutting to make the D?F fit, so much that i am seriously thinking about either not using the canopy frame or not using the D/F glass.


MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. --===============60109204423789353== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:12:30 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>RE:Canopy Message-ID: <3EA9343E.000005.01472@dan> References: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 10 RE: i am seriously thinking about either not using the canopy frame or n= ot using the D/F glass. =0D =0D You can make a great gull wing, fixed windshield canopy out of the D'fly.= I wish I had one when I was building mine. I think that is what Mark Jones used and it looks great. You should look at his site. =0D =0D http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From bo124rs@hotmail.com Fri Apr 25 04:13:26 2003 Received: from f101.law10.hotmail.com ([64.4.15.101] helo=hotmail.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19918w-00031p-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 04:13:26 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 04:12:17 -0700 Received: from 205.188.209.48 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:12:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [205.188.209.48] X-Originating-Email: [bo124rs@hotmail.com] From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Bcc: Subject: Re: KR>Re: Vacuum Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 07:12:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2003 11:12:17.0554 (UTC) FILETIME=[88510720:01C30B1B] X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: >From: "KRBuilder" >You know that www.anywheremap.com has a module that simulates all the >gyros. > The upgrade to their GPS system is about $2000. WWW.gonavgps.com also >has >one. > The three major players in the game, Blue Mountain, Dynon and Grand Rapids have all had to overcome with, some serious research and development, stabilized gyro resetting. When an airplane went into a coordinated standard rate turn for a duration of somewhere around 360 degrees, the solid state stuff would reset itself to indicate level flight as it saw not change in pitch or roll. I would have to be convinced these new companies have been able to accomplish something that has been a true fly in the ointment. These three have accomplished this through three different approaches and have kept the info inside. I hope more come into the game as this is future of experimental panels. Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --===============60109204423789353== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:31:38 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>RE:Canopy Message-ID: <00b401c30b1e$3c60b100$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 11 ace nunye wrote: >>I have a D/F canopy and what was advertised as a KR-2S canopy and = looks to me like there is gonna be ALOT of cutting to make the D?F fit, = so much that i am seriously thinking about either not using the canopy = frame or not using the D/F glass. << Well, I'm sure Roy had to do exactly what anybody else does that puts a = Dragonfly on his plane, he had to cut a few inches off the back, and = probably under the front, to make it fit.Then a "splash" was made of HIS = canopy (after it was cut down) and then the KR2S canopies were made from = that. The Dragonfly canopy is so flexible that it will conform quite = easily to a variety of shapes, an advantage to it's reduced thickness, = in my book. A Pulsar canopy might be another good option, but I'm sure = you'd have to cut on it too. =20 Justin, one secret to the linkage arrangement of Roy's canopy is that = there is a torque tube behind the panel that connects the two forward = links together, and holds them rigidly in sync with each other. If you = just support the canopy on four independent links, you'll have an = uncontrollable floppy mess on your hands. If I had it to do over again, = I'd do a gull wing. Just think about sealing that high-pressure canopy = joint at the front against 200 mph wind. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --===============60109204423789353== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:45:28 -0500 From: "Peg and Mike Meyer" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Retracts for sale Message-ID: <013b01c30b30$ef326960$88d8fea9@o0c8u6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 12 I have a complete cam-lock retract set-up for sale. It includes = everything; wheels, tires, brakes, all parts for the gear including = fairings for the gear struts. If your interested in a retract setup, the = cam-lock is unquestionably the best - it is a positive lock setup that = does not suffer from the inadverent retraction problems of the mouse = trap lock. It's a very nice rig, if you're interested in a retract = setup. 150 bucks for the whole shebango. Contact me off line at the = email address listed below. Mike Meyer pmmeyer@swbell.net --===============60109204423789353== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:31:03 -0500 From: "Justin" To: "Mark Langford" , "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>RE:Canopy Message-ID: <001401c30b8b$1effdbf0$83d81818@computer> References: <00b401c30b1e$3c60b100$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Mark, What is a gull wing?I see the e-mail but what is different about it compared to what you have? Ace if you want to sell that d/f canopy let me know. Where is a good place to buy one? Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 6:31 AM Subject: Re: KR>RE:Canopy ace nunye wrote: >>I have a D/F canopy and what was advertised as a KR-2S canopy and looks to me like there is gonna be ALOT of cutting to make the D?F fit, so much that i am seriously thinking about either not using the canopy frame or not using the D/F glass. << Well, I'm sure Roy had to do exactly what anybody else does that puts a Dragonfly on his plane, he had to cut a few inches off the back, and probably under the front, to make it fit.Then a "splash" was made of HIS canopy (after it was cut down) and then the KR2S canopies were made from that. The Dragonfly canopy is so flexible that it will conform quite easily to a variety of shapes, an advantage to it's reduced thickness, in my book. A Pulsar canopy might be another good option, but I'm sure you'd have to cut on it too. Justin, one secret to the linkage arrangement of Roy's canopy is that there is a torque tube behind the panel that connects the two forward links together, and holds them rigidly in sync with each other. If you just support the canopy on four independent links, you'll have an uncontrollable floppy mess on your hands. If I had it to do over again, I'd do a gull wing. Just think about sealing that high-pressure canopy joint at the front against 200 mph wind. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============60109204423789353== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:35:18 -0500 From: "Justin" To: Subject: KR>Forward Deck Message-ID: <001f01c30b8b$b6c32d70$83d81818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 14 On the S model using a corvair engine would it be a benifit to make = the forward deck taller so there are no "bumps" in the cowling. Has = anyone running a corvair done this, I know i seen it on O-200 powered = KR's. A wood question: I accidently cut one of my firewall cross-members = alittle too short. I glued 2 5/8" vertical peices on the end. Would this = be acceptable or is it better to just to get a new peice of wood. The = glue is stronger than the wood, the wood i placed with the grain going = the same way as it would mount ( up and down). Justin --===============60109204423789353== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:53:43 -0400 (EDT) From: paulwasp@webtv.net (Paul Gangemi) To: krnet@mylist.net (KR builders and pilots) Subject: Re: KR>Retracts for sale Message-ID: <6774-3EA94BF7-439@storefull-2193.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Peg and Mike Meyer" 's message of Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:45:28 -0500 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Precedence: list Message: 15 Hi; I'm still looking for a 52 long x 48 pitch prop for a V/W engine. (counter-clockwise rotation.) Any of you changing your engine would like to get rid of your surplus prop? Anything close to 52 x 48? Paul Gangemi Erie, PA KR2s ready to prime http://community.webtv.net/paulwasp/paulwaspspad --===============60109204423789353== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:02:29 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: Subject: Re: KR>RE:Canopy Message-ID: <00e501c30b3b$b39b47e0$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> References: <00b401c30b1e$3c60b100$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> <001401c30b8b$1effdbf0$83d81818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 Justin wrote: > Ace if you want to sell that d/f canopy let me know. Where is a good > place to buy one? A gull wing is the style that Mark Jones, Dan Heath, Bobby Muse, Troy Petteway, Marty Roberts, and many others have used on their KRs, first done by Dan Diehl. Go look at their pictures and you'll know. As for sources and more Dragonfly information than you'll know what to do with, see http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kcf.html , especially at the bottom. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --===============60109204423789353== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:47:15 -0500 From: "Peg and Mike Meyer" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Retracts for sale Message-ID: <01a501c30b52$b60f84c0$88d8fea9@o0c8u6> References: <6774-3EA94BF7-439@storefull-2193.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 Paul: You may be confusing me for someone else - I don't have an engine yet - I'm still working on the airframe Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Gangemi" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 9:53 AM Subject: Re: KR>Retracts for sale > Hi; > I'm still looking for a 52 long x 48 pitch prop for a V/W engine. > (counter-clockwise rotation.) > > Any of you changing your engine would like to get rid of your surplus > prop? > > Anything close to 52 x 48? > > Paul Gangemi > Erie, PA > KR2s ready to prime > > > > > http://community.webtv.net/paulwasp/paulwaspspad > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============60109204423789353==-- --===============1813882296528373== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============1813882296528373==--