Received: from [66.113.66.18] by bou2100 (ArGoSoft Mail Server Freeware, Version 1.70 (1.7.0.3)); Sun, 27 Apr 2003 12:07:56 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 199rNc-000Fhw-02 for lists@bouyea.net; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 12:00:04 -0700 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============17084108617950378==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: krnet-request@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 18, Issue 1 To: krnet@mylist.net X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Sender: krnet-bounces+lists=bouyea.net@mylist.net Errors-To: krnet-bounces+lists=bouyea.net@mylist.net Message-Id: Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 12:00:04 -0700 --===============17084108617950378== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: KRnet Digest, Vol 18, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." --===============17084108617950378== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Today's Topics (11 messages) Today's Topics: 1. Re: Request your opinions. 2. Re: Forward Deck 3. IFR (ROBERT COOPER) 4. Man, 69, dies in ultralight crash (news.com.au report) (Orma Robbins) 5. KR-IFR 6. Re: KR-IFR (Dan Heath) 7. Heat (Colin) 8. N110LR panel 9. Re: N110LR panel (Mark Langford) 10. Why build-please read (Dana Overall) 11. Smooth Prime Cross Linker (Dan Heath) --===============17084108617950378== Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="===============62305215216471321==" MIME-Version: 1.0 --===============62305215216471321== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:58:54 -0400 From: virgnvs@juno.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Request your opinions. Message-ID: <20030426.153512.-482523.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 13B heavy, Single rotor lighter but not much. Contact ACRE Newsletter, Virg Virgil N. Salisbury Amsoil www.lubedealer.com/salisbury --===============62305215216471321== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:04:35 -0400 From: virgnvs@juno.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Forward Deck Message-ID: <20030426.153512.-482523.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 NEW WOOD, Virg Virgil N. Salisbury Amsoil www.lubedealer.com/salisbury --===============62305215216471321== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 17:13:50 -0400 From: "ROBERT COOPER" To: "krnet" Subject: KR>IFR Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 Dana set out a good instrument training program in his earlier message. = I would like to add my 2 cents.=20 I do not plan to go IFR in my KR, but sometimes it can happen, I can = tell you a story about inadvertent IFR in a Huey. We were taught in the = Army that anytime you enter IMC (instrument meteorological conditions) = unplanned that it is an emergency condition. One reason for this is if = you are in controlled airspace you have just busted the FAR that says = that prior to entering IFR you must file an IFR flight plan and receive = an IFR clearance. In any emergency your first priority is to maintain = aircraft control. It will take a few seconds to transition from VFR to = IFR and to pick up your instrument scan, so don't rush things but start = that 180 turn as soon as you feel you have a good scan and the airplane = under control. It would be a good ideal to establish straight and level = flight before starting that 180. If you are not in the clear after the = 180 turn then you should immediately contact ATC and declare an = emergency. This should CIA for busting FARs. Next you should accept any = assistance they offer. In most KRs you will have only limited gyros and = no approach charts, so if they don't offer you assistance request it. = They will probably vector you to the nearest airport or somewhere where = you can safely let down to a safe altitude. If you have no stabilized = heading indicator request no-gyro turns. This will lighten your load = while trying to keep the sunny side up or the dirty side down. Some of = you may have never have heard of no-gyro turns. ATC will instruct you to = make all turns standard rate or on final may have you do half standard = rate turns. Then their instructions will be "Turn right, (or left)" They = will time your turn then say "stop turn." At many locations they have = radar surveillance approaches in which the controller vectors you to = final then tells you when to descend and what your minimum descent = altitude will be. This is the easiest approach you will ever do unless = you have a coupled autopilot system because the controller does the = thinking for you, all you do is concentrate on aircraft control and that = is your priority.=20 General emergency procedure for any emergency 1.. Maintain aircraft control=20 2.. Analyze the situation and take appropriate action=20 3.. Land as soon as conditions permit. I preach accepting assistance because I knew a pilot who was killed in = an accident after refusing many offers of assistance from ATC. He was an = experienced IFR pilot and was in IFR conditions. His heading indicator = was not working and he was having problems staying on course in route. = He refused vectors to final, hit the VOR and turned to final without = doing a procedure turn and crashed 1/4 mile short of the runway. Had he = accepted assistance he may have had time to make an appropriate before = landing check and changed the fuel selector to the full tank.=20 Jack Cooper mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/kr2 Fayetteville, NC. --===============62305215216471321== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 09:02:09 +1000 (EST) From: Orma Robbins To: KR Net Subject: KR>Man, 69, dies in ultralight crash (news.com.au report) Message-ID: <200304262302.JAA10057@scye.news.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Precedence: list Message: 4 Orma Robbins (Aviationmech@aol.com) has suggested you might be interested in the following http://news.com.au article: Man, 69, dies in ultralight crash 26 April 2003 HUNDREDS of people watched in horror today as an ultralight plane crashed into a field in southern Victoria, killing the pilot. The full story is available at: http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6340912%255E1702,00.html --===============62305215216471321== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 19:39:55 EDT From: AviationMech@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>KR-IFR Message-ID: <1ea.771f90f.2bdc72cb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 In the early years of flying my KR there were times that I wished I had more instruments. Remember that the design goal of the KR was to keep it light and fly fast. I tried to do that initially and just kept wishing for more equipment. My first wish came while crossing Lake Michigan enroute to Oshkosh. How did I know that on a cloudless day, the water and the sky are the same color, and me and my KR with no AH. I nearly went blind trying to keep that sun ball in the same spot on the cowling for the 17 minutes that I was out of sight of land. The second time I made that wish was while taking a "Special" to get out of my home base in light broken cloud cover, but still IFR. The gap in the clouds that I thought I could follow just closed in on me and again there I was with only a turn and bank to keep the wings level. And there have been other wishes as well. I said all this so that those who want to scold and flame me can do so and also to say the more equipment you have the better your chances for survival, if for some reason you can't see. N110LR now has a fairly complete panel. In that I have AH, DG, T&B, VSI. I have not tested the plane with the third gyro and hope that my 11 venturi will turn all of them. To help the venturi, it is placed behind the right exhaust stack that helps it spin the gyro's prior to rotation. The low and slow airplanes that most say don't need all that equipment, usually cant fly at the same speed as a well engined KR can and the faster you cover real-estate, the more situational awareness you need. Orma aka AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com/aviationmech --===============62305215216471321== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:08:02 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>KR-IFR Message-ID: <3EAB4992.000003.01272@dan> References: <1ea.771f90f.2bdc72cb@aol.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6 RE: To help the Venturi, it is placed behind the right =0D exhaust stack that helps it spin the gyro's prior to rotation. =0D =0D =0D Did you have to use an anti-backfire valve or just put it behind the exhaust?=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com Sat Apr 26 17:44:55 2003 Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com ([64.136.22.74]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 199aHm-0008nF-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 17:44:55 -0700 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"oW6qI6wMsUtv1XrWoHzIbePmsDrC34+TxKr1/7uFKgklsx58MEwJse2KM1H0el38">; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:44:28 EDT Received: (from joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com) by m11.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HWQYBAFY; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:44:28 EDT To: krnet@mylist.net Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:40:57 -0400 Subject: Re: KR>Glass cockpit Message-ID: <20030426.204057.-383227.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,7 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Joseph H Horton X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Guys, I have been wondering how heat affects the solid state gyros. I put a electronic gyro in a RC helicopter when they first came out around 1994. There was a fair amount of trim change in a 10 minute flight do to heat from the .030 size engine. I was thinking that this is also possible in a small cockpit with other instruments in the panel making heat. Maybe this is a non issue with the state of art stuff that has devolped over thie last 10 years. Anyone know? Thanks -- Joe Horton --===============62305215216471321== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:30:53 -0400 From: "Colin" To: Subject: KR>Heat Message-ID: <002d01c30c65$067ecf70$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 Solid state elctronics of the 80s genre were notorious for not = tolerating heat well at all. Early auto computers were easily damaged by = heat, and frequently had melt downs (literally had the insulating melt = and run out). 2000 generation electronics are being made with ceramics, = and high temp plastics, as well as including their own heat sinks to = dissipate heat. My new radios and transponder say that they are designed = to not require an avionics cooling fan, but that a source of cool air = while operating will extend the life. Moderate venting of the panel, and = sunshades while parked will extend the life of the interior and the = equipment. Colin Rainey crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From AviationMech@aol.com Sat Apr 26 19:52:00 2003 Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.98]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 199cGm-000A0D-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 19:52:00 -0700 Received: from AviationMech@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id g.1e6.78ea556 (18251) for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:51:53 -0400 (EDT) From: AviationMech@aol.com Message-ID: <1e6.78ea556.2bdc9fc9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:51:53 EDT Subject: Re: KR>KR-IFR To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: In a message dated 4/26/2003 8:04:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DanRH@AllTel.net writes: > Just put it behind the > exhaust? > Just in line with the exiting gas flow Orma AKA AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com/aviationmech --===============62305215216471321== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 23:08:57 EDT From: AviationMech@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>N110LR panel Message-ID: <1e0.7a89d4d.2bdca3c9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 After mentioning the panel with a lot of stuff, I asked Mark to load in into a site. The panel can be seen at http://www.krnet.org/misc/n110lr_panel.jpg The panel includes: 4 cyl CHT, L&R EGT, Manifold Pressure, Oil temp & Press, Tach, Volt, Fuel, Nav/com with LOC/GS, Loran, Trans with encoder, Marker Beacon, Portable GPS not in picture, ELT not in picture and switches operate lights etc. Orma aka AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com/aviationmech --===============62305215216471321== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:12:44 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>N110LR panel Message-ID: <000701c30c6a$df92c370$1202a8c0@basement> References: <1e0.7a89d4d.2bdca3c9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Make that http://www.krnet.org/misc/n110lr_panel.jpg . Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --===============62305215216471321== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 05:45:53 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Why build-please read Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 This is a forward from the RVlist. This says it all. --> RV-List message posted by: "Austin" <6430@axion.net> I have enjoyed reading the banter and exchange of views on the list these days, relating to, what was the subject ?, some kid who wanted to fly or build or what the heck was it anyway ? An RV had to figure in there somehow.... I do agree that how words jump out from an anonymous keyboard can read back in a very harsh and mainly unintended way as opposed to talking face to face to a person. I do this every day and my wife and I practically need an interpreter some days....inflection can make a huge difference in whether I get a wooden spoon on the head or a glass of wine as a kindness. In the case of whether an inquirer asks a group if he can do this or what he should do, I honestly think that they should be told something like....( in gentle tones)...forget it, you can't do it etc...because if that is all it takes to dissuade you from going after a dream, then perhaps you don't really want it that bad.... Like another Rver on this list, I was always told that I couldn't do such and such..would never make it, or didn't deserve it, etc., and that only threw gas on the fire for me to prove them wrong.. Actually, the only real obstacle I had was ..tadaaa....no money...... I was once asked to take a horse to the starting gate that was barred from racing until he behaved...nobody would do it and I was told he would flip and go nuts, and part of that was true, and it was scary as hell, but I did it..for me...to see if I could fight down the fear..or fail... but when he got rolling, it was like a living P51 in my hands..poetry in motion and he and I as one fairly flying in the wind.....the risk this time was worth it ..he was beautiful and a bit nuts..something like my first girl friend...but I grew up a bit that day. When I finished the RV after years of work and no flying, and certainly nothing before like an RV, I was a bit scared, and tried not to show it, but darned if I wasn't going to the gate with this one since I did all the work on it......I got a checkout, and then....... At least I wasn't told I could not do this, I climbed aboard, picked up the reins, the bell went, and we were off and climbing and way too busy to look back or register what I was feeling.. Man, the cumulous look so white and puffy and make my paint reflect the bright metallic off the canopy......racing along the edge of it with the bit in her teeth, the needles of the gauges climbing still, I am along the edge of the Pacific in no time.. My God, that is a lot of water out there and it goes on and on until you can't see the end of it.... Funny, but fear never seemed to play a part in any of it once we ran off together, not even when it came time to go back to the barn .... First landings are very often the best ones....try to do that again.... The nicest lyric after the engine's sweet song is the notes of the chirp as first one wheel kisses the tarmac and the other follows right now and I can hear a lot better when the throttle is back. Back to the barn to cool out and I don't mind walking around for a half hour while she cools in her beautiful color and makes soft ticking sounds.....I never tire of it, and I left my fear aloft somewhere.. The big surprise in my student flying days with the 140 was there was no sensation of blazing speed. That only happened when close to the grass for takeoff or landing.....followed of course by my mouth and driving style after a lesson...so the girl friend claimed.... An old Air Force instructor short on the bottle and long on valor showed me what flying low and fast and canyon running was all about and I was mesmerized by flying. I never saw a riverbank twist as fast as a Diamondback like that before and it was so grand.. I just wanted to fly and I was the only one in my family so inclined. Why didn't I take up the piano or become an accountant or something sensible like that ? Because then, I would never know what I was made of, even if the only one who knows or cares is the one who looks back at this old dog in the mirror .... I can go back to my books and pictures now and read of Corsairs and such and say to the faces seen and unseen....." I can do that "...... And so can the young fellow who wonders the same..regardless of the answers he gets..... Austin Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --===============62305215216471321== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 10:18:55 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: KR>Smooth Prime Cross Linker Message-ID: <3EAC10FF.000003.01272@dan> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 11 Well, I just got all set up to put on some more smooth prime and when I w= ent to pull out the cross linker, I discovered that it was one big lump. It = has been only 3 months since I opened it and I have kept it closed and in the house.=0D =0D I am going to ask Poly Fiber to send more, I just wonder if there is a wa= y to preserve this stuff. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20 --===============62305215216471321==-- --===============17084108617950378== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============17084108617950378==--