Received: from [66.113.66.18] by bou2100 (ArGoSoft Mail Server Freeware, Version 1.70 (1.7.0.3)); Thu, 8 May 2003 12:06:11 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19Dqcd-0008iH-01; Thu, 08 May 2003 12:00:03 -0700 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============74115830046582265==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: krnet-request@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 To: krnet@mylist.net X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Sender: krnet-bounces@mylist.net Errors-To: krnet-bounces@mylist.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 12:00:03 -0700 --===============74115830046582265== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: KRnet Digest, Vol 29, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." --===============74115830046582265== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Today's Topics (18 messages) Today's Topics: 1. Re: liability Rant-See ya!! - We will miss Dana. (Dan Heath) 2. (no subject) (pho) 3. Re: Questions (Dan Heath) 4. Wood Question (Justin) 5. Re: Wood Question (Mark Jones) 6. RE: Wood Question (Rick Hubka) 7. RE: apology fir the consequences of my actions (Alexander Birca (RMD)) 8. Re: Re: KR>Fuel Tank (Timothy Bellville) 9. Re: out board wing question (Phil Matheson) 10. Re: Questions (Phil Matheson) 11. RE: Fiberglass question (Alexander Birca (RMD)) 12. Re: out board wing question (Mark Langford) 13. Re: out board wing question Phil 14. Foam question (Alexander Birca (RMD)) 15. Re: out board wing question (gleone) 16. Re: liability Rant-See ya!! - We will miss Dana. (Scott Cable) 17. New to list 18. RE: RE: tandem seating (Norman Stapelberg) --===============74115830046582265== Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="===============59853013813525169==" MIME-Version: 1.0 --===============59853013813525169== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 18:24:39 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "Mark Langford (E-mail)" , Cc: "Dana Overall (E-mail)" Subject: Re: KR>liability Rant-See ya!! - We will miss Dana. Message-ID: <3EB9B1D7.000005.01216@dan> References: <012901c31492$dea80580$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 I know that I made some comments about TORT, but none of them were aimed = at Dana. I really appreciated his input because it scared me to death. I w= as never concerned about having sold my plane until the last thread when the situation was described of the new owner crashing and killing someone and= me being, somehow, held responsible.=0D =0D I am sorry that Dana took all that personally. He should not have. I do= n't think any of it was aimed at him, just the people who abuse the system an= d a system that refuses to allow itself to be fixed. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From iflyc150f-n8566g@juno.com Wed May 07 16:40:09 2003 Received: from m14.nyc.untd.com ([64.136.22.77]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19DYW9-0002mO-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 07 May 2003 16:40:09 -0700 Received: from cookie.untd.com by cookie.untd.com for <"rV9M+/Zb7Eo75SFejictnVPs6UuNNnjQXblMYD/8lrHBTIIO6iCo6IYer/hPgq+T">; Wed, 07 May 2003 19:40:17 EDT Received: (from iflyc150f-n8566g@juno.com) by m14.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id HXL6ZNRR; Wed, 07 May 2003 19:40:17 EDT To: krnet@mylist.net Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 19:37:52 +0000 Message-ID: <20030507.193754.-3746583.0.iflyc150f-n8566g@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-5,7-8,10-11,13-14,16-17,19-21,23-24 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: HENRY N ERICKSON Subject: KR>Questions X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Hi. First time on net, so if I make any mistakes it because I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box. My questions are: How come no info on tri gear setup with either KR1 or KR2 plans I purchased? Haven't started on my KR2 yet so any info on wing tanks, (not crazy about fuel in the cockpit area) Tri gear, (have no taildrager time) How to make controls less sensitive, (hear the KR2 can be a hand full) Different wing airfoil, and any thing else anyone might think helpful before I start. To save space on the net , any info can be sent to: hankskr2@juno.com Thanks for any help Hank ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! --===============59853013813525169== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 01:35:33 +0100 From: "pho" To: Subject: KR>(no subject) Message-ID: <00b001c314f9$bc980f00$06e868d5@f5d4p0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 2 hi and i am new to the list have a kr2 and designing a 4-1 exhaust with = silencer anyone got a rough idea of the header pipe lengh i know the = longer the better mine -vw 1915 cc happi conversion and anyone using = one of these fancy leiche silencers .i am thinking of making an = absorption type -just got to make it quiet as i am running it on the = front of the house on the driveway to tune it a little. phill=20 pho@ntlworld.com --===============59853013813525169== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 21:39:09 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Questions Message-ID: <3EB9DF6C.000007.01216@dan> References: <20030507.193754.-3746583.0.iflyc150f-n8566g@juno.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 Hank,=0D =0D You have come to the right place. There is more information here than yo= u can use, and a lot that you will wish you did not have and should not use= =2E=20 It is your responsibility to distinguish between the two.=0D =0D I am on my second KR, neither of which did I start, but one was completed and so shall it be for this one. I probably know of more things for you = to not do than things for you to do, so I will make an attempt at getting th= is started.=0D =0D You wrote:=0D =0D My questions are: How come no info on tri gear setup with either KR1 or K= R2 plans I purchased?=0D =0D I guess that is just the state of the plans. You will most likely get instructions when you purchase the gear.=0D =0D =0D My questions are: Haven't started on my KR2 yet so any info on wing tanks= , (not crazy about fuel in the cockpit area)=0D =0D We don't have them, but I think wing tanks with about a 3 gallon header t= ank is a great way to go and there are plenty on the net with them. Consider using the space where the tank usually goes, for a baggage area.=0D =0D =0D My questions are: Tri gear, (have no taildrager time) How to make control= s less sensitive, (hear the KR2 can be a hand full)=0D =0D Forget about the "sensitivity" or forget about the KR. The KR is respons= ive and a great airplane to fly. Build it as close to plans as possible. I strongly recommend a dual stick set up. Decide on which gear, convention= al or not, and Diehl or Grove type. There are a lot of good excuses for putting on a tri gear, like insurance, lack of TD time, and knowing your limits. I learned to fly a TD in my KR with a little time in a Champ wit= h a friend. Even though I know it can be done, I don't recommend it.=0D =0D =0D My questions are: Different wing airfoil, and any thing else anyone might think helpful before I start.=0D =0D Every time you change one thing, there are other things that you will hav= e to deal with and sometimes it snowballs. There are trade offs with both wings. There is a lot of experience with the stock airfoil. There are items that you should "spend the money" on, and other items that you can spend money on. I would build as many of the parts that can come=20 pre-molded" as possible. Don't try to build your own bubble for a canopy= =2E=20 Decide what type canopy to build and buy the bubble to suit. Buy a good gear, wheels and brakes. This is not a thing to go cheap on. You can almost always save a lot of money by buying a project in the very early stages where it is easy to inspect and things have not been done that you will have to un-do. Unless there is a good reason to the contrary, of wh= ich I am not aware, build your wing roots last. It is very difficult to work= on the cabin and canopy, over the wing roots. So don't buy a project with t= he roots built. This may also affect your gear installation.=0D =0D =0D My questions are: To save space on the net , any info can be sent to: =0D =0D It is more beneficial to reply on the net, unless something absolutely do= es not apply to any one else, like "when are we going to eat the steak", whi= ch must be a private thing. This way, what I say to you can be disputed, an= d you can make the best choice for yourself, or just put it all in your dat= a bank for later decision making.=0D =0D Welcome to the KRNet=0D =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From Glenda26@aol.com Wed May 07 19:25:32 2003 Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.6]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19Db6C-0003e5-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 07 May 2003 19:25:32 -0700 Received: from Glenda26@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.22.) id g.5f.392ecd2e (3964) for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 22:24:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Glenda26@aol.com Message-ID: <5f.392ecd2e.2beb19d2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 22:24:18 EDT To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Smog pumps used as vacuum pumps X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: A few days back I saw a post about using a automotive air pump for a vacuum source by hooking to the intake instead the output of the pump. Does anyone know of a specific model number that can be used. All the ones I have checked so far only have an out port, and the pumps can only turn one way according to the dealers. Thanks, Glenda --===============59853013813525169== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 19:28:52 -0500 From: "Justin" To: Subject: KR>Wood Question Message-ID: <001e01c314f8$cfffd240$83d81818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 I seen Birch Plywood at the Local wood store. Is this ok for airplanes? = I know a fellow plane builder in my chapter who is building his plane = with Birch but im not sure where he got it. I am no expert in anyway = (obvously) on what is acceptable.=20 Justin --===============59853013813525169== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 21:41:31 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Wood Question Message-ID: <008b01c3150b$556c72a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <001e01c314f8$cfffd240$83d81818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Aircraft grade Birch is acceptable and is readily available at Wick's and AS&S. Do not use non aircraft grade Birch plywood for structural building as it does not meet Mil Spec MIL-P-6070B. This spec covers grain, thickness, moisture, tensile strength,glue, bending, torsion and immerson. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 7:28 PM Subject: KR>Wood Question I seen Birch Plywood at the Local wood store. Is this ok for airplanes? I know a fellow plane builder in my chapter who is building his plane with Birch but im not sure where he got it. I am no expert in anyway (obvously) on what is acceptable. Justin _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============59853013813525169== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 22:46:18 -0600 From: "Rick Hubka" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: RE: KR>Wood Question Message-ID: <000001c3151c$c4062330$6501a8c0@hubka22> In-Reply-To: <001e01c314f8$cfffd240$83d81818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 The 1/4 inch AV plywood for my KR-2S firewall has about 16 plys per 1/4 inch Marine grade has about 8 plys per 1/4 inch Home Depot has about 4 plys per 1/4 inch AV 1/4 plywood is like steel The Home Depot 1/4 plywood is like drywall This observation is not totally accurate, however... you get the point. All kidding aside... AV plywood cost a fortune but is amazing and safe and the correct and recommended material. My inspector checked my plywood in the boat stage. Rick Hubka rick@hubka.com http://www.hubka.com/kr_main.htm Calgary Alberta Canada -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Justin Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:29 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Wood Question I seen Birch Plywood at the Local wood store. Is this ok for airplanes? I know a fellow plane builder in my chapter who is building his plane with Birch but im not sure where he got it. I am no expert in anyway (obvously) on what is acceptable. Justin _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============59853013813525169== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:16:58 +0200 From: "Alexander Birca (RMD)" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: RE: KR>apology fir the consequences of my actions Message-ID: <9CC6CC2973F2D211B3580008C70DB2D205BDDCC6@eatvint903.dsa.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 No problem Steve, it was just an misunderstanding. Have a nice day, Alex Birca -----Original Message----- From: Steven Eberhart [mailto:newtech@newtech.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:32 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>apology fir the consequences of my actions Guess I blew it. The next message after Dana's post about unsubscribing was Alex Birca's question about glass cloth. I didn't change the subject line when I sent my post. Alex, and KRNet please accept my apology for the confusion caused by my not changing the subject line. Thanks Mark for jumping in, in a very professional manner, and answering Alex's questions. Sorry guys, Steve Eberhart Alexander Birca (RMD) wrote: > ????????????????????????????????????? > > May be I did not understand right, may be it is my poor English.... > I am not from USA, I couldn't attend any gathering events, unfortunately. > I do not know so much about YOUR type of cloths, there is not so much info > from technical point of view, not dummy user. > So, my question is to understand the physical properties of used cloths in > order to be able to find some things similar here, in my country. Is this a big problem? > > Sorry, > Alex _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============59853013813525169== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 04:40:03 -0400 From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: Re: KR>Fuel Tank Message-ID: <000f01c3153d$6ca2c1e0$4f5f570c@donnas> References: <20030507174600.ZPNW3580.imf60bis.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 My Tank was from the early 80's and everything I've read says it was poly.I don't know what the current tanks are made from. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Re: KR>Fuel Tank > Tim, Orma and All, > > I thought the tank from Rand was Vinylester. At least that is what I was told many years ago. Vinylester is what all of the plastic automobile service station gas tanks are made of. Visit one of their manufacturing sites and you can see for yourself that vinylester resins are not affected by any of the modern fuel additives. > > The tank in the Wannabee is from Rand and is put together with vinylester resin. When I built it I made up some test strips from the tank and strips of glass with vinylester resin all bonded together. I let them cure for one month in the hot South Carolina sunshine and rain (UV rays and all). Then I soaked them in five diffrent brands of additive rich gasolines for three months. Absolutely no ill effects. > > We will be burning 92 octane automobile gasoline in our GPASC 2180cc VW. > > N64KR > KRJerry > Jerry Mahurin > Lugoff, SC > > > > > > From: "Timothy Bellville" > > Date: 2003/05/06 Tue PM 11:12:37 EDT > > To: "KR builders and pilots" > > Subject: Re: KR>Fuel Tank > > > > Thanks Orma, > > My tests have all proved the same as you say. The west system peeled right > > off of the poly. Poly to poly seems the best way to go. > > My only concern is not being able to use Auto fuel with the poly tank, > > because of the Toluene added. Oh well Avgas it is. > > BTW when do you want to get together for that steak dinner? > > Thanks > > Tim > > KR2 N7038V > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:32 PM > > Subject: Re: KR>Fuel Tank > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/5/2003 8:55:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > Sonerai1@worldnet.att.net writes: > > > > > > > a RR fuel tank that is made out of Polyester resin > > > > > > You are correct that the RR tank is polyester resin. Why not use > > polyester > > > resin. It's easy to work with and is fuel proof. > > > > > > Orma aka AviationMech > > > KR-2 N110LR > > > 1984 to Present > > > www.members.aol.com/aviationmech > > > _______________________________________________ > > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============59853013813525169== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 18:40:19 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>out board wing question Message-ID: <006001c3153d$780a86d0$e397dccb@Office> References: <2d.2e320e6f.2be9c00e@wmconnect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Pat. Do you mean the spar is warped ( bent) or it slops forward at the tip I'm just doing my winskins too, the rear spar should be 22 1/4 inches from the centre of the main spar to the centre of the rear spar at their tips. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ --===============59853013813525169== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 19:07:16 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Questions Message-ID: <00a601c31541$3a2274a0$e397dccb@Office> References: <20030507.193754.-3746583.0.iflyc150f-n8566g@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 Have alook at the Dan Diehl site, he mate the wingskins and tri gear http://www.diehlaero.com/landing.htm Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ --===============59853013813525169== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:46:01 +0200 From: "Alexander Birca (RMD)" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: RE: KR>Fiberglass question Message-ID: <9CC6CC2973F2D211B3580008C70DB2D205BDDCC8@eatvint903.dsa.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 Thanks to every body for helping. Yesterday evening I did a sample of composite sandwich, looks quite well. I glassed both side with two layers 45 degree to each other. As well I sanded a small piece of Styrofoam, some thing similar to wingtip and glassed with one layer of glass, just to understand the process and properties of epoxy wet glass and how it will cover double curvature surfaces. My glass that I found is very similar to aircraftspruce.com by physical properties (strength and weight), except thickness, my is 0.0078". Other difference is wave style, ii is described as LINEN. BR, Alex Birca -----Original Message----- From: Tim Brown [mailto:timwbrown@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 7:41 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Fiberglass question Alex: You can go to aircraftspruce.com and order what you need and/or get additional info from them. The glass sold by them is identified as "used on KR Aircraft." As others said, it is 5.85 oz/sq.yd. and is called "Lightweight Boat or Tooling Cloth. Plain Weave. Thread Count 18 x 18. Breaking Strength 250 x 250 pounds/ inch. Finished Weight 5.64 oz./ sq.yd. Thickness .009". The AS&S catalog also says all the fiberglass fabrics are volan treated for maximum strength and resistance to moisture and abrasion. As Mark indicated, one layer is used everywhere except on the leading edge of the wings where 2 layers go from the main spar over the leading edge. When this is done on the top and bottom of the wing one ends up with 4 layers on the actual leading edge. You also end up with double thickness on the leading edge of the H.S and V.S. due to the wrapping of the glass from one side to the other. Hope this helps. By and large my KR2S is stock with the exception of using the new wing templates from TET. --- "Alexander Birca (RMD)" wrote: > > Hi All, > the question is, what is the thickness and > tensile strength of fiberglass which is used > for lay-up process. > May I use one type (thickness or density?) of > fiberglass or it should be different one in > different area? > Where I can read more detailed info about used > fiberglass in KR construction. > > > Thanks, > Alex Birca > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ===== Tim Brown Lake Arrowhead, Ca. e-mail me at timwbrown@yahoo.com See my KR2S project at: http://www.geocities.com/timwbrown __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============59853013813525169== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 07:24:20 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>out board wing question Message-ID: <00c801c3155c$c0bea540$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> References: <2d.2e320e6f.2be9c00e@wmconnect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Pat wrote: > I'm prepairing to construct my out board wings using Dan Deils wing skins. > When I start to place the ribs in their proper spots I noticed the Aft spar > bends forward as it nears the of of the wing. Is this correct or am I doing > something wrong. I may be mistaken (not actually having Diehl wingskins or having installed them) aren't they like KR2S wings in that all of the aft wing attach fittings are bent three degrees? If you have stock WAFs then only half of them (the outboard half, maybe) are bent 3 degrees, but on the KR2S they are ALL bent 3 degrees to give the aft spar a 6 degree forward sweep rather than a 3 degree forward sweep. I believe that's how the Diehl wing is made, and in fact I believe the KR2S wing (plans built) basically IS the Diehl wing, but somebody's welcome to correct me if I'm wrong about that. What I'm saying is make sure that all of your aft WAFs are bent 3 degrees, if that's what the Diehl instructions call for. Somebody who actually knows what they are talking about (unlike me) is welcome to chime in here... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --===============59853013813525169== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:29:24 EDT From: Cowgirlflying@wmconnect.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>out board wing question Phil Message-ID: <7b.109249e5.2beba7a4@wmconnect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 The AFT spar is ok I just notice that in order to make the main spar and Aft spar to 221/4 in I have to bring the AFT spar forward. However someone else has told me that the spar attachments should have a 3 degree bend in them this maybe my problem Tim --===============59853013813525169== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:56:43 +0200 From: "Alexander Birca (RMD)" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: KR>Foam question Message-ID: <9CC6CC2973F2D211B3580008C70DB2D205BDDCCC@eatvint903.dsa.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 14 OK guys, it is again me :-) I had browsed Aircraft Spruce site, it is really good place.=20 The question is, there are two sort of foam polystyrene based, = STYROFOAM =AD SMALL CELL and POLYSTYRENE =AD LARGE CELL .=20 Here I have only one option, STYROFOAM =AD SMALL CELL. Is it good or = not? What type=20 is used more often by you or what is your choice? Thanks, Alex Birca =20 =20 --===============59853013813525169== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 09:40:46 -0600 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" To: Subject: Re: KR>out board wing question Message-ID: <3EBA7A7E.000016.01676@DDMWDD11> References: <006001c3153d$780a86d0$e397dccb@Office> Content-Type: Multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_YJRKTSM1VA4000000000" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15 --------------Boundary-00=_YJRKTSM1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy!=0D =0D I'm building a KR-1 but it should answer your question. The (on the -1) rear wing attachment fittings are bent 3 degrees. Naturally you would be= vel the wing spar end to mate with the fixed spar. I can see the confusion where you might think you're bending the spar itself, but no, just the fiting. Hope this helps. =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:40:40 AM=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: Re: KR>out board wing question=0D =0D Pat.=0D Do you mean the spar is warped ( bent) or it slops forward at the tip=0D =0D I'm just doing my winskins too, the rear spar should be 22 1/4 inches fro= m=0D the centre of the main spar to the centre of the rear spar at their tips.= =0D =0D Phil Matheson=0D matheson@dodo.com.au=0D =0D See our VW Engines and Home built web page at=0D http://www.vw-engines.com/=0D www.homebuilt-aviation.com/=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =2E=20 --------------Boundary-00=_YJRKTSM1VA4000000000-- --===============59853013813525169== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:41:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable To: KR builders and pilots , "Mark Langford \(E-mail\)" Cc: "Dana Overall \(E-mail\)" Subject: Re: KR>liability Rant-See ya!! - We will miss Dana. Message-ID: <20030508154118.87800.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3EB9B1D7.000005.01216@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 16 Here,Here. That is exactly what I meant to say! I feel that Dana has had some very insightful comments and are greatly appreciated. When I generalized about "sleezeball" attorney's, I should have expressly EXCLUDED him from that comment, none of it was directed at him.Hope Dana doesn't leave, and if I ever have the good fortune of meeting Dana in person, I'll buy him a beer. Dan Heath wrote:I know that I made some comments about TORT, but none of them were aimed at Dana. I really appreciated his input because it scared me to death. I was never concerned about having sold my plane until the last thread when the situation was described of the new owner crashing and killing someone and me being, somehow, held responsible. I am sorry that Dana took all that personally. He should not have. I don't think any of it was aimed at him, just the people who abuse the system and a system that refuses to allow itself to be fixed. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Red Oak - 2003 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Linden, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.From s2cable1@yahoo.com Thu May 08 08:53:49 2003 Received: from web40802.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.78.179]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19DniP-0006WC-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 08 May 2003 08:53:49 -0700 Message-ID: <20030508155423.94669.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.36.90.68] by web40802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 May 2003 08:54:23 PDT Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:54:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable Subject: Re: KR>Wood Question... Here we go again! To: KR builders and pilots In-Reply-To: <008b01c3150b$556c72a0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Justin,Here we go again! Did you not read or learn from the last time you posted a question about the type and grade of wood to use and where to purchase it? Check back in the (recent) archives, and everyone was still saying the same thing. Purchase your wood from AS&S or Wicks. Assemble your aircraft with only aircraft grade materials. NOT from materials purchased at the local hardware store or Home Depot. Mark Jones wrote:Aircraft grade Birch is acceptable and is readily available at Wick's and AS&S. Do not use non aircraft grade Birch plywood for structural building as it does not meet Mil Spec MIL-P-6070B. This spec covers grain, thickness, moisture, tensile strength,glue, bending, torsion and immerson. Justin wrote: I seen Birch Plywood at the Local wood store. Is this ok for airplanes? I know a fellow plane builder in my chapter who is building his plane with Birch but im not sure where he got it. I am no expert in anyway (obvously) on what is acceptable. Justin _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Linden, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.From christian.kogelmann@aua.com Thu May 08 09:32:00 2003 Received: from mailho.aua.com ([193.154.227.20] helo=s0037928.vie.aua.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19DoJM-0006je-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 08 May 2003 09:32:00 -0700 Received: by s0037928.vie.aua.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 8 May 2003 18:32:32 +0200 Message-ID: <9D054CEF43F1C243A279E5435E9717465B6D97@sviemxs02.gate01.skylines.global> From: Kogelmann Christian - OS ETA To: 'KR builders and pilots' Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 18:32:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: KR>draft KR-2S web site X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Hi guys, I have finally made it. I uploaded my first web site, please be gentle with you critics as I will continue to improve the site quality. Here we go: http://www.members.aon.at/oevpd Mark Langford, if you would be so kind and link it on your page? Suggestions welcome. Cheers Christian OE-VPD --===============59853013813525169== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 13:45:31 -0400 From: To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>New to list Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 17 Hello, My name is Steven Phillabaum, Auburn Alabama. new to krnet. New pilot in my 40's. Recieved my KR2S plans 2 days ago. But have been reading krmail list for 2 years. plan to study plans for a while and start buliding hardware while I get my garage ready to start construction. I have helped my father with his mustang II and have friends which built glasairs. Going to pick up one running corvair engine with an additional engine in parts for.... hold on to your hats.....$100.00 cash. with friends working in machine shops and brother-in law who is an AP I hope I'll have some helpfull input in the furture. Anyone close to me, I would like to visit. Don't know if I'll fly their AUO rental on 172s is up to $90.00/hr wet. Let me hear from you. --===============59853013813525169== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 19:49:15 +0200 From: "Norman Stapelberg" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: RE: KR>RE: tandem seating Message-ID: <000001c3158a$25843f80$34b01fc4@norman> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 The KR you are referring to belongs to Maruis Roberts, it is actually modified to be a three seater he has never actually had any passengers in the rear as his children were too big by the time he had finished the plane. Incidentally he had to prove to the local C.A.A that the KR could fly, being a com pilot that was no problem. On certain day's he can be seen flying the KR in formation with a MOONEY his son at the controls of the MOONEY Regards Norman Stapelberg ZS-UKR 90% -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of ace nunye Sent: 07 May 2003 02:22 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>RE: tandem seating I have seen a 4 place KR does this count as tandem ?????? LOL I do wonder if the thing ever flew sucessfully tho I dont know how in the heck they ever got it balanced. There is a picture of it on at: [1]http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Valley/2636/zsvko4s.html That oughta stir up a lil conversation Mike, KR-200s, % ? _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with [2]the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* References 1. http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Valley/2636/zsvko4s.html 2. http://g.msn.com/8HMIENCA/2731??PS= _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============59853013813525169==-- --===============74115830046582265== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============74115830046582265==--