Received: from [66.113.66.18] by bou2100 (ArGoSoft Mail Server Freeware, Version 1.70 (1.7.0.3)); Sat, 10 May 2003 12:06:47 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19EZZi-000O27-01; Sat, 10 May 2003 12:00:02 -0700 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============11161330378962053==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: krnet-request@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1 To: krnet@mylist.net X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Sender: krnet-bounces@mylist.net Errors-To: krnet-bounces@mylist.net Message-Id: Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 12:00:02 -0700 --===============11161330378962053== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: KRnet Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." --===============11161330378962053== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Today's Topics (10 messages) Today's Topics: 1. wood selection (Oscar Zuniga) 2. Re: Smog pumps (Brian Kraut) 3. Fw: "Barnstorming at its Best - May 18 at Fayetteville, NC (Dan Heath) 4. Kitplanes Article 5. water in fuselage. (Harold and Audrey Woods) 6. Partial project (Andy O'Donnell) 7. RE: Partial project (Ron Freiberger) 8. Re: water in fuselage. 9. THANKS MARK (Evezard) 10. Re: Drain Holes at each cross member (Dan Heath) --===============11161330378962053== Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="===============74156050213162517==" MIME-Version: 1.0 --===============74156050213162517== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 16:47:49 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>wood selection Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 Ron wrote- >Kinda like the guy who wanted to use sassafras, which is >very good smelling when you're working it! >I wonder what ever happened to the Sassafras guy? Now hold on just a cotton-pickin' minute! I'll bet you're referring to me, since I mentioned that the prototype M-19 Flying Squirrel was built using sassafras (locally grown and available in Indiana, where the builder lives). Take a look at http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/FPLGTR/fplgtr113/Ch04.pdf and http://naca.larc.nasa.gov/reports/1931/naca-report-354/naca-report-354.pdf at both sassafras and Sitka spruce. In the 12% moisture content state, the sassafras is quite a good wood if a little attention is paid to grain direction when it's loaded in compression. Shear strength and compression perpendicular to grain exceed that for spruce, and the specific gravity is just a tad higher than for spruce (better than for Douglas fir, which is used by many instead of spruce). Perfectly acceptable for an amateur-built experimental aircraft, provided care is taken in selection, grading, and application. And I guess I should wipe my shoes clean by saying "you should stick to building by the plans, using the materials recommended by the designer, and if you vary from the design or materials- you're on your own"! I thought it was understood that we're amateur, experimental aircraft builders and pilots, but I guess not everyone is willing to take responsibility for their own actions (not addressing Ron here, but rather referring to an earlier thread). Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --===============74156050213162517== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:13:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Smog pumps Message-ID: <6877246.1052517991546.JavaMail.nobody@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Actually, it injected the air downstream some in the exhaust manifold, not near the exhaust valves(1976 era Fords anyway). The purpose was to mix some air into the exhaust for more complete combustion of the exhaust gasses in the catalytic converter. -------Original Message------- From: JIM VANCE Sent: 05/09/03 08:14 AM To: krnet Subject: KR>Smog pumps > > The smog pump was actually an air pump. The air was injected at the outlet of the exhaust valves to assure that there was plenty of oxygen to burn any carbon that came out of the cylinders. This was the 1970's way to reduce carbon monoxide emissions from the engines. It worked fairly well, although I'm sure blowing cold air on the valve stems could warp them and increase the amount of deposits that would build up. Once computer controlled injection systems, variable electronic timing, and oxygen sensors in the exhaust sytem were invented, the engine builders used fuel/air/ignition management to minimize emissions. Then the air pump went the way of the running board. Jim Vance Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > --===============74156050213162517== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:37:45 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: KR>Fw: "Barnstorming at its Best - May 18 at Fayetteville, NC Message-ID: <3EBC7409.000001.01020@dan> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 Some of you in the area may be interested in this.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Palmetto Sport Aviation=0D Date: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:36:21 AM=0D To: ladysnoopy@aol.com=0D Subject: "Barnstorming at its Best - May 18 at Fayetteville, NC=0D =0D =93Barnstorming at its Best=94 =96 May 18 at Fayetteville, NC=0D =0D If you didn=92t make it to Sun =91n Fun and aren=92t planning on Oshkosh,= this may be the best airshow within a reasonable distance all summer! Check this out:=0D =0D Festival of Flight=92s general aviation airshow, =93Barnstorming at its B= est,=94 will be held at noon, Sunday, May 18, 2003, at the Fayetteville Regional Airport. The airshow will bring a number of sought-after performers and aerobatic team that have never before performed in Fayetteville. Indeed, some of the best acts available to airshows across the country, in additi= on to acclaimed local and regional performers, will thrill Festival crowds.=0D =0D Opening ceremonies begin with a fly-in of the South Carolina Breakfast Cl= ub, with members from six southeastern states. The airshow literally jumpsta= rts with the Golden Knights Parachute Team bringing in the American Flag duri= ng the national anthem. The thrill-filled show that follows will include:=0D =0D Jimmy Franklin with the world=92s only jet powered Waco bi-plane.=0D =0D Red Baron Pizza Squadron, the formation flight team with a combined 75,00= 0 flying hours and their four Boeing Stearman biplanes.=0D =0D Jim LeRoy with Bulldog Airshows, in his factory Pitts S2S.=0D =0D Michael Goulian, a three time member of the US National Aerobatics team a= nd the 1995 US National Champion.=0D =0D John Mohr, who will be maneuvering his restored 1943 stock 220 Stearman biplane.=0D =0D Other nationally known performers include Dan Buchanan with his pyro-glid= er, Time Weber in an Extra 300, and Julie Clark in the MOPAR T-34.=0D =0D Other fun filled acts and performers scheduled are: OTTO-the Helicopter Clown, selling rides and performing aerobatics for kids of all ages, and regional performers, Roger Marshall, in his Russian YAK-55, along with Goodie Thomas, III, in his Sukoi SU 31 Russian world class aerobatic aircraft.=0D =0D =93Barnstorming at its Best=94 is hosted by the Cape Fear Aero Associatio= n, Fayetteville Regional Airport Commission, and Piedmont Hawthorne Aviation= =2E=20 Admission is free and parking is $5.=0D =0D Join the festival now! Be a sponsor or a volunteer! To find out more, visit www.festivalofflight.org. =0D =0D =0D Do you Yahoo!?=0D The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. =0D =20From N56ML@hiwaay.net Fri May 09 17:49:40 2003 Received: from ant.hiwaay.net ([216.180.54.10] helo=mail.hiwaay.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19EIYW-000JuP-00; Fri, 09 May 2003 17:49:40 -0700 Received: from 800Athlon (user-24-214-106-120.knology.net [24.214.106.120]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h4A0lCUi1045581; Fri, 9 May 2003 19:47:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004e01c3168d$b3c35a70$2402a8c0@800Athlon> From: "Mark Langford" To: Cc: "KR builders and flyers" Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:47:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: KR>email address change X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Hi, I've had my email address (langford@hiwaay.net) for almost 8 years now. The unfortunate consequence of this longevity is that the spammers are driving me absolutely crazy. I usually get over 200 junk emails DAILY! Not only do I get the usual junk every day, but because of my website, the Chinese government has included my "aircraft manufacturing" site's email address in a list that it distributes to ALL of its businesses in an effort to help them market to us big American companies, like ME. Fortunately, I can filter most of that stuff out using rules speciying fonts that are peculiar to the Chinese language, but some still slip through. I also have "rules" which filter out mail based on about 50 different words such as "viagra", etc, and that gets quite a few too. But the bottom line is that I still have to wade through about 50 a day that neither my rules nor my ISP's spam filter knock out. I used Google to search the web for my email address, and it appears about 930 times in various places on the web...easy pickins for the spammers! So, as much as I hate to do it, I'm changing my email address. I've chosen an address that the spammers' automatic email address generation programs will never produce. I created it 6 months ago, and have never used it, and I've only received ONE message on that account so far (Welcome...)! I've also created another account that I'll use when I'm absolutely forced to give my address, such as when ordering online. And I'm changing my signature to "encypt" it a little, replacing the @ symbol with an "at". Please delete my old address (langford@hiwaay.net) from your address book to avoid confusion. I'll update my web pages as I have time, using the new encrypted form. The old one will be disabled shortly. I guess I could have said all of this in one sentence, and probably should have! Sorry for the inconvenience, but I'm looking forward to a little peace and quiet... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --===============74156050213162517== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 21:54:46 EDT From: AviationMech@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Kitplanes Article Message-ID: <1c6.977ba30.2bedb5e6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 I just read William Waynne's article about an Ignition Upgrade. For many years I have used a Bosch 009 distributor on my KR (N110LR) and have been happy about the performance. During the times that I have used a Mag, I always felt that the 009 provided better performance. His article is great in that he provided an alternative to the single spark source provided by the 009. Any one using a single source battery ignition should read this enlightening information. There are dual point distributors available for the VW and Installing this system would not be a difficult retrofit. Orma aka AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com/aviationmech --===============74156050213162517== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 09:54:22 -0400 From: "Harold and Audrey Woods" To: Subject: KR>water in fuselage. Message-ID: <009901c316fb$a912f4a0$92ef6418@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 5 Whether it is wash water or rain water or condensation water it can = accumulate inside your KR unless you provide a drain hole to get rid of = it. This means every place that water could lay while the plane is = either in flying or sitting on the ground must be drained. Both the left = and right side of the bottom of the fuselage require drain holes. Every = cross member on the floor of the fuselage is a little dam just waiting = to collect water. Use 1/4 inch drill size for the holes. Clean out the = holes carefully and then using a small brush or Q-tip apply epoxy to the = raw wood exposed by the drill. The last hole is up against the rudder = post. Some like to use "sea plane gromets" over each hole.These are available. = They are little plastic circles about 1 inch in diameter that have a = streamlind bulge on the bottom with the back part of the bulge cut off = for drainage. They also act as a venturi to to draw air and/or water = out while flying. A friend used a bargan basement plywood to cover the fuselage of his = Jodel. The glue was not waterproof. He did not apply epoxy to the cut = wood after drilling the drainholes. The next year he had to remove the = rotting and disintigrating plywood and replace it with aircraft grade. = It would have been better to use quality first. The theoretical saving = is not worth it. Harold Woods, Orillia, ON. CanadaL3V2G6 audreyandharoldwoods@rogers.com --===============74156050213162517== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 12:37:38 -0300 From: Andy O'Donnell To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Partial project Message-ID: <3EBD1CC1.B6F1B417@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Hi, I am new to this group and would like some input. I have found a KR2 partial project. The fuselage has the plywood applied length way, rather than what the plans call for. The original builder gave up. Twenty years later, I wonder if the fuselage is repairable. Any insight would be appreciated. Thank you Andy O'Donnell --===============74156050213162517== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:49:01 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: , "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>Partial project Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EBD1CC1.B6F1B417@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 Look for a very good quality job. People take shortcuts and create crap. Don't start with a junk foundation. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Andy O'Donnell Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 10:38 AM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Partial project Hi, I am new to this group and would like some input. I have found a KR2 partial project. The fuselage has the plywood applied length way, rather than what the plans call for. The original builder gave up. Twenty years later, I wonder if the fuselage is repairable. Any insight would be appreciated. Thank you Andy O'Donnell _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============74156050213162517== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 12:00:12 EDT From: AviationMech@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>water in fuselage. Message-ID: <79.10b5d82f.2bee7c0c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 In a message dated 5/10/2003 9:56:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, audreyandharoldwoods@rogers.com writes: > Both the left and right side of the bottom of the fuselage require drain > holes. This reminds me of a forgotten story about N110LR. The a 35 Knot gust of wind tore my canopy off and it smashed. Unable to get a replacement right away, I taped the top and let the plane sit outside for a month. One day I received a call to inform me that the plastic and tape had failed that that the KR was full of water. I didn't have any drain holes. In stead of looking like a boat, it looked like a tub. It was half full. The bottom and sides were bulging at every cross member. I used a drill and added the drain holes. After several days I surveyed the damage and to my surprise there was none. The boat held up extremely well. The boat was Mahogany and the entire inside had been sealed and varnished. Glad I wasn't the guy with the rotted bottom. Orma aka AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com/aviationmech --===============74156050213162517== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 18:31:57 +0200 From: "Evezard" To: "KR NEWS" Subject: KR>THANKS MARK Message-ID: <000a01c31711$cba6e060$55cd07c4@user> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 Mark, Thanks a lot for putting me on the mailing list from your side of the = ocean.It is much appreciated. Eric Evezard, South Africa, ZS-GML, Duster Sailplane ZU-BMP, KR 2 s type Monerai Motorglider for regis. --===============74156050213162517== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 14:02:10 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Drain Holes at each cross member Message-ID: <3EBD68D2.000003.01020@dan> References: <009901c316fb$a912f4a0$92ef6418@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 10 Harold,=0D =0D I am sure that you are correct about drilling those drain holes. However= , while I don't go around looking at the bottom of KRs, I'll bet there aren= 't many around with that many holes in the bottom.=0D =0D I am going to put drain holes in the bottom of the WannaBee, but probably not at every crossmember. I am also going to put in an inspection plate under the Horiz stab, so I can see behind that bulkhead. I sure wish I h= ad put in the drain holes before I closed it up, because I want to put in screens to keep the bugs out.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From rwdw2002@yahoo.com Sat May 10 11:20:46 2003 Received: from web21208.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.175.166]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19EYxh-000Nvd-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 10 May 2003 11:20:45 -0700 Message-ID: <20030510182125.24001.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.250.5.118] by web21208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 May 2003 11:21:25 PDT Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 11:21:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Wilson Subject: Re: KR>Drain Holes at each cross member To: KR builders and pilots In-Reply-To: <3EBD68D2.000003.01020@dan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Dan, Mine has holes at every bulkhead, one on each side of the bottom on the front side of the crossmembers. However, I only used a 1\16" drill bit. They need to be bigger because they stopped up when it had water in it. Best regards, Rick Wilson. rwdw2002@yahoo.com --- Dan Heath wrote: > Harold, > > I am sure that you are correct about drilling those > drain holes. However, > while I don't go around looking at the bottom of > KRs, I'll bet there aren't > many around with that many holes in the bottom. > > I am going to put drain holes in the bottom of the > WannaBee, but probably > not at every crossmember. I am also going to put in > an inspection plate > under the Horiz stab, so I can see behind that > bulkhead. I sure wish I had > put in the drain holes before I closed it up, > because I want to put in > screens to keep the bugs out. > > N64KR > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See you in Red Oak - 2003 > > See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the > pic > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com --===============74156050213162517==-- --===============11161330378962053== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============11161330378962053==--