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Re: KR length. (Timothy Bellville) 2. Re: Re: KR>KR length. (Brian Kraut) 3. Re: KR length. (Justin) 4. Re: KR length. (Dan Heath) 5. Re: W&B and fuse length (Dan Heath) 6. Re: KR length. (Steve Glover) 7. KR length. (larry flesner) 8. Sloshing compound. (Timothy Bellville) 9. Re: KR length. (Dan Heath) 10. Re: KR length. 11. Finishing (larry severson) --===============70058279023893011== Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="===============5759354719427221==" MIME-Version: 1.0 --===============5759354719427221== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:45:15 -0400 From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>KR length. Message-ID: <000f01c31b22$e4713bd0$dd5f570c@donnas> References: <005401c31b12$d5a72c50$eeeea8c0@piv226> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Can anyone tell me what the best sloshing compound to use with the Poly gas tank? Thanks Tim KR2 N7038V at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============5759354719427221== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:54:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: Re: KR>KR length. Message-ID: <3830650.1053035248560.JavaMail.nobody@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 I don't know what is best to use, but I have a new quart of Randolph 912 sealer I want to sell. I was going to use it in my fiberglass tank but I changed my mind. -------Original Message------- From: Timothy Bellville Sent: 05/15/03 04:45 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>KR length. > > Can anyone tell me what the best sloshing compound to use with the Poly gas tank? Thanks Tim KR2 N7038V at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > --===============5759354719427221== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:49:56 -0500 From: "Justin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>KR length. Message-ID: <001001c31b23$8adc8920$ed7ba8c0@computer> References: <005401c31b12$d5a72c50$eeeea8c0@piv226> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 No one seems to awnser the question you asked. If I made another fuselage I would make it the entire 16' my material was. I have been told by KR pilots it is sensitive but you get used to it, still the more stable you can get your airplane the better off you are. Do you want to be able to open up a chart with two hands or one. Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Volucer" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 1:50 PM Subject: KR>KR length. Dear members, at this long period of silence I read around about KR pitch problems, mainly at Mark Langford web site. I prepared the table and I thought to start building the fuselage, I got 5/8" x 5/8" x 13.12' (4meter). The question is should I prefer to use all the length of it or to follow the plans? 73, Dr. Tsabari Shahar 0039.0365.761000 Italy _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============5759354719427221== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:03:29 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>KR length. Message-ID: <3EC446F1.000010.01552@dan> References: <005401c31b12$d5a72c50$eeeea8c0@piv226> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 RE: The question is should I prefer to use all the length of it or to follow the plans?=0D =0D I am assuming a KR2, not a 2S. If you extend the tail, without making ot= her adjustments, you will exacerbate the tendency for aft CG. You will lengt= hen the coupling, decrease the short coupling, but you will have to extend th= e engine mount, and I don't know how much that would be. I think that extending the engine, about an inch, helps on a plans built KR2. Remembe= r, I said "I think".=0D =0D Our KR2 is plans built with Diehl wings. If W&B comes out not in favour = of handling both of us without a CG problem, we are going to experiment with moving the weight of the engine forward. I am not looking forward to building another cowling, if we need to do that.=0D =0D Change 1 thing and you will have to change other things..........=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From crainey1@cfl.rr.com Thu May 15 17:32:58 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.1.41]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19GT9e-000F6M-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 15 May 2003 17:32:58 -0700 Received: from Beverly (5.70.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.70.5]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id h4G0XoSD012857 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003a01c31b42$d215c760$05462141@Beverly> From: "Colin" To: Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:33:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>W&B and fuse length X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Netters, The way to get a good rough estimate of the effect of lengthening the = fuselage is to "borrow" someone's weight and balance numbers from a = flying KR that has your engine you intend to use. Once you see their = numbers, then scale the materials that would be necessary to extend the = fuselage, and weigh the materials necessary to make the tail feathers. = Some of the netters have recorded the weights of their final assemblies = prior to installation. Again, these would be for estimates only. Take = the original numbers, record with a tape measure the additional fuselage = materials distance from the chosen datum line (most I have seen use the = spinner; I use the firewall). Then add this to a basic weight and = balance form, and subtract the tail feathers from their standard = location, and add them at the "new" arm or distance from the datum line. = Empty weight will only increase by the additional materials to extend = the fuselage, and the arm will increase on the same weight tail feathers = (empennage). This will give you the new CG location with the extended = frame. Once you see where the CG moved to, you can then calculate how = far forward you will have to locate the engine to move the CG back to = the desired point on the plane, usually one inch forward of the main = spar empty. Basic Empty Weight Arm or CG = Moment 568# 20.92 = 11880 Rt and Lt mains had 270# each, at an arm of 15 inches each, moment = of 4050 each: Rt Main 270# 15 = 4050 Lt Main 270# 15 = 4050 Tailwheel 28# 135 = 3780 add weights and moments and divide for the CG. Now take the additional material estimate say 5# total paint and = all and add it to the tailwheel at its new arm. 270 15 = 4050 270 15 = 4050 33 153 = 5049 573 22.95 = 13149 Original CG was at almost 21 inches, while the additional material = moved the CG aft to almost 23. Measure the arm of the engine from the = datum line, and the calculate its installed weight and then solve the = equation for the desired CG by inserting the numbers into the equation = and multiplying for the moment result. Then subtract from the present = moment and you have how far the engine must move to restore the CG to = the desired point. 573 21 = 12033 so 13149-12033 =3D 1116. This is how = much the engine moment must move forward. In my case the installed = weight of the VW is approximately 230# so the center of the weight = resides at -18 inches forward of the firewall now. This weight added = this far back will need to be balanced by moving the engine forward 4.85 = inches. (1116 / 230 =3D 4.85). Check out how far forward Steve Trent had = to mount his turboprop engine due to it being 100# lighter than a VW, in = a KR2. Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From jfaughn@mvp.net Thu May 15 18:37:49 2003 Received: from mo1.socket.net ([216.106.88.132]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19GUAP-000FaE-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:37:49 -0700 Received: from mvp.net (virtualmail.socket.net [216.106.88.58]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0331623B853 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:38:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from marzi ([216.106.71.7]) by mvp.net ; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:38:41 -0500 From: "Jim Faughn" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: RE: KR>Red Oak 2003 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:40:48 -0500 Message-ID: <006601c31b4c$2dcbc7e0$07476ad8@jfaughn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <000701c31a8a$1df43ae0$2402a8c0@800Athlon> X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: The EAA has posted some of their speakers and the KR has made the list again. In their list it shows: Presentations by Jim Faughn Date Time Location Interest 7/30/2003 2:30 PM - 3:45 PM 10 EAA SportAir Pavilion Aircraft Homebuilding Short Title KR Aircraft - History, Building and Flying They haven't posted all of their information yet for other speakers so it may be a few weeks before the on-line list is finalized. However, it appears we have a better slot this year before the main airshow. I'll post more in a few weeks about what we will be doing and I'll update my website to reflect what is going on. I'm looking forward to seeing more KR's at Oshkosh and of course Red Oak too. Jim Jim Faughn 4323D Laclede Ave. St. Louis, MO 63108 (314)652-7659 Mailto:jfaughn@mvp.net Web Site http://jfaughn.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Mark Langford Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:32 PM To: KR builders and flyers Subject: KR>Red Oak 2003 It's been kinda quiet today, so let me throw this one out there. I've been looking through the 2002 Gathering photos at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/redoak2002/ , and I can't wait 'til Red Oak 2003! I got my room a few months ago and they acted like they were starting to fill up, so don't forget to get a room. And no matter what it takes, BE THERE! Check this web page, and you'll see why! Details of the hotels, etc, are located at http://www.krgathering.org/ . And to answer the ubiquitous question, "nope, I don't think I'm gonna fly there in N56ML. Maybe in Larry's Tripe if I'm lucky... See y'all there! Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============5759354719427221== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:01:33 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>W&B and fuse length Message-ID: <3EC470AD.000014.01552@dan> References: <003a01c31b42$d215c760$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 5 RE: In my case the installed weight of the VW is approximately 230#=0D =0D Colin,=0D =0D How did you arrive at this number and please describe your engine and installation. This is very good information. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From n56ml@hiwaay.net Thu May 15 19:07:00 2003 Received: from ant.hiwaay.net ([216.180.54.10] helo=mail.hiwaay.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19GUce-000FzT-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:07:00 -0700 Received: from basement (user-24-214-106-120.knology.net [24.214.106.120]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h4G27p33615288 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:07:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001301c31b4f$f3695a00$1202a8c0@basement> From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <003a01c31b42$d215c760$05462141@Beverly> Subject: Re: KR>W&B and fuse length Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:07:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Colin wrote: >>This weight added this far back will need to be balanced by moving the engine forward 4.85 inches. (1116 / 230 = 4.85).<< This doesn't pass my personal "reasonable test". I'll admit that I've already decided that rather than spend two hours figuring this out, I'm going to let somebody else find the error, but almost 5 inches sounds way out of whack... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --===============5759354719427221== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:07:53 -0700 From: "Steve Glover" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>KR length. Message-ID: <000f01c31b58$57f23930$5af5fea9@IntelliSpec> References: <005401c31b12$d5a72c50$eeeea8c0@piv226> <3EC446F1.000010.01552@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 I just had this problem. Richard Shirley conducted my first test flight without any problem. Once we both were in the plane it became nearly uncontrollable. Fortunately, Richard knows his stuff. CG calc's showed 2" forward of aft limits with both of us. My recommendation is "Don't Do It!". Fly in the center of the range or forward. I am moving the engine forward 3" to accomodate two aboard with a reasonable CG. I spoke with Steve Bennett at GPASC. He said most people who have the standard 2 for any length of time usuall move the engine to bring the CG within a more acceptable range. Your results may vary. Regards, Steve Glover Rancho Stanta Margarita, Ca. KR02G@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:03 PM Subject: Re: KR>KR length. RE: The question is should I prefer to use all the length of it or to follow the plans? I am assuming a KR2, not a 2S. If you extend the tail, without making other adjustments, you will exacerbate the tendency for aft CG. You will lengthen the coupling, decrease the short coupling, but you will have to extend the engine mount, and I don't know how much that would be. I think that extending the engine, about an inch, helps on a plans built KR2. Remember, I said "I think". Our KR2 is plans built with Diehl wings. If W&B comes out not in favour of handling both of us without a CG problem, we are going to experiment with moving the weight of the engine forward. I am not looking forward to building another cowling, if we need to do that. Change 1 thing and you will have to change other things.......... N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Red Oak - 2003 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============5759354719427221== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:11:45 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>KR length. Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030515221145.0081eb60@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <005401c31b12$d5a72c50$eeeea8c0@piv226> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 >The question is should I prefer to use all the length of it or to follow the plans? >Dr. Tsabari Shahar ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ You did not say which engine you plan to use or if you are building a KR2 or a KR2s. I'll give you my OPINION anyway. First, if you have the KR2 plans and are planing on building a KR2, I'd advise you to order the 2s suppliment and build the 2s. The 2s is probably the longest you need to make it unless you plan to use a Continental 0-200 or a Corvair. There are several KRs flying that have been lengthened 24 inches over the standard KR2 but that is probably too long if you plan on using a VW or similar. I think the 2s plans address most of the problems (if you want to call them problems) that people found in the KR2. The 2s should handle the 0-200 or Corvair guite well also. Bottom line, build the KR2s and stick to the plans. You will find that you will build it faster that way and should end up with a very nice flying airplane. Larry Flesner Carterville, Illinois, USA --===============5759354719427221== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 04:58:40 -0400 From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Sloshing compound. Message-ID: <001b01c31b89$596f4600$2d5f570c@donnas> References: <3830650.1053035248560.JavaMail.nobody@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Sounds great Brian, How much do you want for it,and were do I send the check? Thanks Tim Bellville 418 Whittemore St. Toledo,Ohio 43605 419-693-8104 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 2:54 PM Subject: Re: Re: KR>KR length. > I don't know what is best to use, but I have a new quart of Randolph 912 sealer I want to sell. I was going to use it in my fiberglass tank but I changed my mind. > > > -------Original Message------- > From: Timothy Bellville > Sent: 05/15/03 04:45 PM > To: KR builders and pilots > Subject: Re: KR>KR length. > > > > > Can anyone tell me what the best sloshing compound to use with the Poly gas > tank? > Thanks > Tim > KR2 > N7038V > at href="http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html">http://www.krnet.org/instructi ons.html > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at href="http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html">http://www.krnet.org/instructi ons.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============5759354719427221== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 05:36:07 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>KR length. Message-ID: <3EC4DB37.000016.01552@dan> References: <3.0.6.32.20030515221145.0081eb60@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 RE: Bottom line, build the KR2s and stick to the plans. You will find th= at=0D you will build it faster that way and should end up with a very nice=0D flying airplane.=0D =0D >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>=0D =0D This is a "ME TOO". After all That blabber I said on the subject, Larry = set it all straight. =0D =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From crainey1@cfl.rr.com Fri May 16 06:24:40 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.1.43]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19GfCS-000Kae-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 16 May 2003 06:24:40 -0700 Received: from Beverly (5.70.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.70.5]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id h4GDPYCQ018667 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003301c31bae$a13943d0$05462141@Beverly> From: "Colin" To: Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:25:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>CG X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Dan asked me to describe my installation for interpolation by others. It is an 1835 VW with large jugs, Dan Diehl case and accessory = drive, Zenith carb, direct drive, 52" Culver Prop, and standard engine = mounts with 1 inch extensions. I measured from the firewall to the = middle of the engine to assign its moment, hence the negative number due = to moving forward. I used this method after the way Cessna assigns their = arm/moment in their POHs. I whole heartedly agree with both Larry and = Mark, would remark that this is a strictly simplified illustration using = the basic weight and balance formula. What I would recommend to anyone = desiring to move the engine forward is to make extensions and mock up = the results without the cowling and weigh the results. With Great Plains = recommending 3 inches forward to restore a CG, it seems reasonable for = light weight engine installs to need nearly 3 -4 to stay on the forward = side. Once I get mine actually in the air flying, I will experiment with = this and post the results. Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From ron@jrl-engineering.com Fri May 16 06:59:39 2003 Received: from mail.kendra.com ([65.73.234.4] helo=jrl-engineering.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19GfkJ-000Kk2-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 16 May 2003 06:59:39 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 07:00:34 -0700 Message-Id: <200305160700.AA173539660@jrl-engineering.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Ron Eason" To: , KR builders and pilots X-Mailer: Subject: KR>Heat and corrosion resist Coating X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: ron@jrl-engineering.com, KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: www.airborncoatings.com is a good site for KR builders to review. Ron -- Ronald R. Eason Sr. Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com -- --===============5759354719427221== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:16:01 -0400 From: BABYWOLF@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net (KR builders and pilots) Subject: Re: KR>KR length. Message-ID: <02B3DA1C.7396E30D.00625FCA@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 10 I lightened my fuselage as per Langford. It caused my problems because the 4 foot panels no longer reached the stations and had to be scar fed. Also each gusset had to be hand crafted be cause the angles were not standard. If I was to do it again I would redraw the fuselage and add another station to try and alleviate this problem but I think it would be easier to stick with the plans. Change from the plans causes time delays and I am concerned that the literature says that if a project is not completed in two years its chances of being completed are greatly diminished --===============5759354719427221== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:24:50 -0700 From: larry severson To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Finishing Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030516092153.02c85458@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <02B3DA1C.7396E30D.00625FCA@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 >babywolf said: >Change from the plans causes time delays and I am concerned that the >literature says that if a project is not completed in two years its >chances of being completed are greatly diminished This is probably true. My problem is that the KR2 that I am trying to finish was started in 1971. The plans say nothing about the firewall, let alone give shape or dimensions. Could someone tell me the materials to use - wood type, etc.? Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com --===============5759354719427221==-- --===============70058279023893011== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============70058279023893011==--