Received: from [66.113.66.18] by bou2100 (ArGoSoft Mail Server Freeware, Version 1.70 (1.7.0.3)); Mon, 26 May 2003 12:08:25 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19KNCh-000EqG-05 for lists@bouyea.net; Mon, 26 May 2003 12:00:15 -0700 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============42791623153066638==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: krnet-request@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 47, Issue 1 To: krnet@mylist.net X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Sender: krnet-bounces+lists=bouyea.net@mylist.net Errors-To: krnet-bounces+lists=bouyea.net@mylist.net Message-Id: Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:00:15 -0700 --===============42791623153066638== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: KRnet Digest, Vol 47, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." --===============42791623153066638== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Today's Topics (4 messages) Today's Topics: 1. Re: problems with KRnet? (Mark Jones) 2. Re: problems with KRnet? (Mike Turner) 3. Re: problems with KRnet? (Patrick Driscoll) 4. Re: problems with KRnet? (Timothy Bellville) --===============42791623153066638== Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="===============93493905505937835==" MIME-Version: 1.0 --===============93493905505937835== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 15:08:50 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>problems with KRnet? Message-ID: <002001c322f9$75704940$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <01a201c322ec$2f4f0580$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Mark, I agree with you that we should wait till Wednesday to see if it can be resolved. Absolutely NO to Yahoo or other freebies which bombard us with advertisement and spam. If this list does not get corrected promptly by the people at Mylist then by all means let's go back to Mailinglist. After I joined Road Runner, I did not receive any spam for over a year and now I get it almost daily. You know, if I had helped all those foreigners needing a bank to put their millions in, I could be the richest man in America by now. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 1:33 PM Subject: Re: KR>problems with KRnet? > Phil Maley wrote: > > > I am wondering why we don't just use yahoo groups. I run two or three > > yahoo mailing lists and it just keeps working with no problems. Their > > service is free although there is some advertising. They also provide > > plenty of space for uploading files, photos etc. Maybe we shouldn't > > try to muddy the waters at this time but it is a serious alternative. > > I really don't know what to do. The old list at mailinglists.com worked > flawlessly for two years before it just went belly-up for 4 days, but it's > back and working fine now. All I have to do is uncheck a couple of boxes > and we could migrate back to that one in a heartbeat and leave this one in > the dust. I'm not real impressed with the service we've gotten here. I've > emailed them with about 10 messages and gotten exactly one reply from a > human saying "we'll check into that". Of course service wasn't that great > from the previous list either, but then we never needed it either. This > list has a lot of handy bells and whistles, but people have always had > problems getting signed up for it (which is a hassle for me), and now with > most of the messages disappearing, we need to do something different because > it's just not getting the job done. > > I have a personal hangup with yahoo groups. Even if Yahoo doesn't sell your > email address to others, you address is just sitting out there for the > pickin' by the marketer's search engines. This list and the last were > "private" lists, and unless you're a member, you don't have access to the > member list, and even then, they are painful to extract (ask me how I know). > I'm working on my third week with new email address, and haven't had a > single spam message yet! I'd like to keep it that way. And the endless > advertising, popups, banner ads, and having to scroll down through it all to > get to the actual message just makes me crazy. > > I AM convinced that there is a problem with this list though. Although only > a couple of guys have cc'd me on messages that were sent to the list, at > least ten (that I know of) made it to me, but not the list, which absolves > their ISP, and strongly suggests a problem at mylist.net. And I've sent > serveral myself that didn't make it. I'm assuming that the folks at > mylist.net are on vacation this weekend, but will jump on this on Tuesday > morning. Maybe we should give them until Wednesday or so to figure it out > before we jump ship. Also, if we keep trying to use the system, we might > find more clues to help them identify the problem. > > One difference between this time and the last time is that I have a list of > everybody's email address that is on this list, and can easily send a > message to all subscribers, regardless of whether the list is working or > not. Although it would be a hassle for me to add folks back to the old list > myself, I could send a message telling folks to resubscribe, and how to do > it, so nobody should be left behind. > > After Wednesday, we'll think of something, but I'm certainly open to > suggestions... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > --===============93493905505937835== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 21:05:24 -0500 From: "Mike Turner" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>problems with KRnet? Message-ID: References: <01a201c322ec$2f4f0580$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 this is a test ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 1:33 PM Subject: Re: KR>problems with KRnet? > Phil Maley wrote: > > > I am wondering why we don't just use yahoo groups. I run two or three > > yahoo mailing lists and it just keeps working with no problems. Their > > service is free although there is some advertising. They also provide > > plenty of space for uploading files, photos etc. Maybe we shouldn't > > try to muddy the waters at this time but it is a serious alternative. > > I really don't know what to do. The old list at mailinglists.com worked > flawlessly for two years before it just went belly-up for 4 days, but it's > back and working fine now. All I have to do is uncheck a couple of boxes > and we could migrate back to that one in a heartbeat and leave this one in > the dust. I'm not real impressed with the service we've gotten here. I've > emailed them with about 10 messages and gotten exactly one reply from a > human saying "we'll check into that". Of course service wasn't that great > from the previous list either, but then we never needed it either. This > list has a lot of handy bells and whistles, but people have always had > problems getting signed up for it (which is a hassle for me), and now with > most of the messages disappearing, we need to do something different because > it's just not getting the job done. > > I have a personal hangup with yahoo groups. Even if Yahoo doesn't sell your > email address to others, you address is just sitting out there for the > pickin' by the marketer's search engines. This list and the last were > "private" lists, and unless you're a member, you don't have access to the > member list, and even then, they are painful to extract (ask me how I know). > I'm working on my third week with new email address, and haven't had a > single spam message yet! I'd like to keep it that way. And the endless > advertising, popups, banner ads, and having to scroll down through it all to > get to the actual message just makes me crazy. > > I AM convinced that there is a problem with this list though. Although only > a couple of guys have cc'd me on messages that were sent to the list, at > least ten (that I know of) made it to me, but not the list, which absolves > their ISP, and strongly suggests a problem at mylist.net. And I've sent > serveral myself that didn't make it. I'm assuming that the folks at > mylist.net are on vacation this weekend, but will jump on this on Tuesday > morning. Maybe we should give them until Wednesday or so to figure it out > before we jump ship. Also, if we keep trying to use the system, we might > find more clues to help them identify the problem. > > One difference between this time and the last time is that I have a list of > everybody's email address that is on this list, and can easily send a > message to all subscribers, regardless of whether the list is working or > not. Although it would be a hassle for me to add folks back to the old list > myself, I could send a message telling folks to resubscribe, and how to do > it, so nobody should be left behind. > > After Wednesday, we'll think of something, but I'm certainly open to > suggestions... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > --===============93493905505937835== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 21:59:04 -0500 From: "Patrick Driscoll" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>problems with KRnet? Message-ID: <000901c32332$c4e0a720$b52dee42@oemcomputer> References: <01a201c322ec$2f4f0580$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Mark, I'm for waiting and giving the list a chance. Might just be some little bug that can be worked out in an hour or so. If not, then we can go back to the old list or whatever. Pat Driscoll ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ --===============93493905505937835== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:44:34 -0400 From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>problems with KRnet? Message-ID: <000701c323a6$1759f2e0$9a5f570c@donnas> References: <01a201c322ec$2f4f0580$1202a8c0@basement> <002001c322f9$75704940$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Sorry guys, but this is another test ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 4:08 PM Subject: Re: KR>problems with KRnet? > Mark, > I agree with you that we should wait till Wednesday to see if it can be > resolved. Absolutely NO to Yahoo or other freebies which bombard us with > advertisement and spam. If this list does not get corrected promptly by the > people at Mylist then by all means let's go back to Mailinglist. After I > joined Road Runner, I did not receive any spam for over a year and now I get > it almost daily. You know, if I had helped all those foreigners needing a > bank to put their millions in, I could be the richest man in America by now. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > To: "KR builders and pilots" > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 1:33 PM > Subject: Re: KR>problems with KRnet? > > > > Phil Maley wrote: > > > > > I am wondering why we don't just use yahoo groups. I run two or three > > > yahoo mailing lists and it just keeps working with no problems. Their > > > service is free although there is some advertising. They also provide > > > plenty of space for uploading files, photos etc. Maybe we shouldn't > > > try to muddy the waters at this time but it is a serious alternative. > > > > I really don't know what to do. The old list at mailinglists.com worked > > flawlessly for two years before it just went belly-up for 4 days, but it's > > back and working fine now. All I have to do is uncheck a couple of boxes > > and we could migrate back to that one in a heartbeat and leave this one in > > the dust. I'm not real impressed with the service we've gotten here. > I've > > emailed them with about 10 messages and gotten exactly one reply from a > > human saying "we'll check into that". Of course service wasn't that great > > from the previous list either, but then we never needed it either. This > > list has a lot of handy bells and whistles, but people have always had > > problems getting signed up for it (which is a hassle for me), and now with > > most of the messages disappearing, we need to do something different > because > > it's just not getting the job done. > > > > I have a personal hangup with yahoo groups. Even if Yahoo doesn't sell > your > > email address to others, you address is just sitting out there for the > > pickin' by the marketer's search engines. This list and the last were > > "private" lists, and unless you're a member, you don't have access to the > > member list, and even then, they are painful to extract (ask me how I > know). > > I'm working on my third week with new email address, and haven't had a > > single spam message yet! I'd like to keep it that way. And the endless > > advertising, popups, banner ads, and having to scroll down through it all > to > > get to the actual message just makes me crazy. > > > > I AM convinced that there is a problem with this list though. Although > only > > a couple of guys have cc'd me on messages that were sent to the list, at > > least ten (that I know of) made it to me, but not the list, which absolves > > their ISP, and strongly suggests a problem at mylist.net. And I've sent > > serveral myself that didn't make it. I'm assuming that the folks at > > mylist.net are on vacation this weekend, but will jump on this on Tuesday > > morning. Maybe we should give them until Wednesday or so to figure it out > > before we jump ship. Also, if we keep trying to use the system, we might > > find more clues to help them identify the problem. > > > > One difference between this time and the last time is that I have a list > of > > everybody's email address that is on this list, and can easily send a > > message to all subscribers, regardless of whether the list is working or > > not. Although it would be a hassle for me to add folks back to the old > list > > myself, I could send a message telling folks to resubscribe, and how to do > > it, so nobody should be left behind. > > > > After Wednesday, we'll think of something, but I'm certainly open to > > suggestions... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============93493905505937835==-- --===============42791623153066638== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============42791623153066638==--