Received: from [66.113.66.18] by bou2100 (ArGoSoft Mail Server Freeware, Version 1.70 (1.7.0.3)); Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:04:13 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lizard.esosoft.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19MY3n-0003FY-01; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 12:00:03 -0700 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============21062198880908456==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: krnet-request@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 53, Issue 1 To: krnet@mylist.net X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Sender: krnet-bounces@mylist.net Errors-To: krnet-bounces@mylist.net Message-Id: Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 12:00:03 -0700 --===============21062198880908456== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: KRnet Digest, Vol 53, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." --===============21062198880908456== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Today's Topics (16 messages) Today's Topics: 1. Re: vert. card compass 2. Re: vert. card compass 3. Hollow wings and balance weight - TIP (Dan Heath) 4. Re: Forward c of g (Gene Lukan) 5. Aluminum wing tanks (Mark Langford) 6. Re: Aluminum wing tanks (gleone) 7. replying to KRnet mail (Mark Langford) 8. Re gussets (bill kirkland) 9. Re: KR1 - first time builder? 10. Re: I'm contemplating building a KR1 as a first project. Is this a good choice? (Dan Heath) 11. Naca Ducts (Justin) 12. Re: RE: KR1004k (Justin) 13. Re: Naca Ducts (Mark Langford) 14. Re: RE: KR1004k (Mark Langford) 15. Re: KR1 - first time builder? (Mark Langford) 16. Re: RE: KR1004k (Mark Langford) --===============21062198880908456== Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="===============13890026355806029==" MIME-Version: 1.0 --===============13890026355806029== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:05:35 EDT From: ECLarsen81@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>vert. card compass Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 http://www.chiefaircraft.com/ --===============13890026355806029== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:10:26 EDT From: ECLarsen81@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>vert. card compass Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Tim, I'm building a Sonerai (project collecting dust) and joined the KR list some time back to gether information on the VW conversion, nice bunch of folks, so I stayed. I can be found most days at the home field, Larsen Airpark (43G). Ed Larsen Ypsi, MI --===============13890026355806029== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:21:01 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: KR>Hollow wings and balance weight - TIP Message-ID: <3ED9711D.000027.01028@dan> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 I am going to try to find a place on the site to mention this, because it could save a lot of time for those building hollow wings such as using wi= ng skins.=0D =0D Determine where your aileron balance is going to go. We used 41" from th= e end of the wing stub. Insert a chunk of, easy to sand, foam in that spac= e as you put the wings together.=0D =0D I had a very difficult time building the foam walls of the hole for the aileron balance weight. By inserting the foam, all you will have to do i= s to hog out the hole and glass it. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From emiglesias@cpenet.com.ar Sat May 31 19:55:12 2003 Received: from srvsr5.cpenet.com.ar ([200.51.28.248]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19MJ03-000OVx-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 31 May 2003 19:55:12 -0700 Received: from iglesias [200.63.188.206] by srvsr5.cpenet.com.ar (SMTPD32-7.04) id AB4F90C01A4; Sat, 31 May 2003 23:56:15 -0300 Message-ID: <015b01c327e9$aef8a5a0$cebc3fc8@iglesias> From: "Eduardo Iglesias" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: Subject: Re: KR>Rotax? Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:55:40 -0300 Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Centro_M=E9dico?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: One here, in Argentina, with rotax 532. It flyes very godd with tho = aboard. Eduardo Iglesias La Pampa ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RL=20 To: krnet@mylist.net=20 Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 6:55 AM Subject: KR>Rotax? Hello, I am new to the list, so if this has been covered I apologize. = I am curious to know if anyone has successfully used a Rotax (especially = two strokes) on a KR2? Thanks -Ray --===============13890026355806029== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 23:22:03 -0600 From: "Gene Lukan" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Forward c of g Message-ID: <002101c327fd$bc938720$7c92ad8e@ab.hsia.telus.net> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Darren and others, Chris Heintz in his Heintz' Textbook series provides all the info you need to calculate the c of g range of your aircraft. You will find it at: http:/www.zenithair.com/kit-data/ht-90-4.html Gene Lukan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren Pond" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 12:08 PM Subject: KR>Forward c of g http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============13890026355806029== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 09:15:37 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Aluminum wing tanks Message-ID: <00f501c32848$468985c0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Dana Overall has finished with Mark Jones' wingtank. The details are at http://www.krnet.org/wingtank/ . If I ever have to build another one, it'll be done this way. Total weight is something like 5 pounds, and you can check it for leaks before it's installed. It's riveted and sealed, so there's no welding involved. I think Dana said it holds 11.5 gallons with airspace at the top. Maybe Mark can tell us more about it... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --===============13890026355806029== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 08:31:32 -0600 From: gleone To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Aluminum wing tanks Message-ID: <3EDA0E44.E8CA7E4B@tritel.net> References: <00f501c32848$468985c0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 I have a question about the gussette material. I'm building a KR-1 and the spruce kit included quite a bit of 5/8 triangular wood. Some of the gussettes in the plans are dimensioned at 2 inches. Is anyone using 5/8 for gussettes? I really don't want to use this only to have to start over if it's the wrong size. Thanks Mark Langford wrote: > Dana Overall has finished with Mark Jones' wingtank. The details are at > http://www.krnet.org/wingtank/ . If I ever have to build another one, it'll > be done this way. Total weight is something like 5 pounds, and you can > check it for leaks before it's installed. It's riveted and sealed, so > there's no welding involved. I think Dana said it holds 11.5 gallons with > airspace at the top. Maybe Mark can tell us more about it... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============13890026355806029== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 10:04:26 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>replying to KRnet mail Message-ID: <010b01c3284f$180f5010$1202a8c0@basement> References: <00f501c32848$468985c0$1202a8c0@basement> <3EDA0E44.E8CA7E4B@tritel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 I send out the KRNetiquette thing every few months, but apparently nobody reads it (or at least the ones who SHOULD read it don't), so let me point out something. When you reply to a message, and go compeletely off track (or even post a completely unrelated message by replying to a previous one), it sure would be nice if you changed the subject line to something that reflects the new thread. Why? Because somebody who's looking for gusset information later will go to the archive search engine (at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp ) and key in "gusset" in the subject line, and they will NOT find it if it's hidden in a message with "aluminum wingtank" as the subject. So they'll get like me and just give up on the subject, and search through EACH MESSAGE, which turns up 255 hits, rather than 74 with gusset in the subject. And then you'll find that most of those messages have about three times as much text in them as they should have, since the people who responded didn't bother to remove the previous stuff. A dead giveaway is when you see about 5 or 6 sets of KRnet instructions at the bottom of the post. It only takes about three seconds to remove excess text before you post something, but it takes future searchers MINUTES to read through it all to make sure they're not missing anything. Of course, if you can't spell gusset, the search engine isn't going to be able to help you anyway. Doesn't that word appear in the plans somewhere, spelled properly? OK, I'm going back to plane building now... Mark Langford, crotchety in Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --===============13890026355806029== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:05:29 -0400 From: "bill kirkland" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Re gussets Message-ID: <005001c32860$0353c960$eb942a18@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> References: <00f501c32848$468985c0$1202a8c0@basement> <3EDA0E44.E8CA7E4B@tritel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Only the gussets at the firewall are 2". The rest are 5/8. Only those at the top longeron are rt angle. The rest have one or two angles. compound. You will need a carpenters adjustable bevel (ab0ut $5.00). Sand or cut the angles and expect to make some mistakes especially on the compound angle ones. I have about 20 of the mistakes for sale cheap! lol :-) W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND wkirkland@rogers.com _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============13890026355806029== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:12:28 EDT From: Richardalps@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>KR1 - first time builder? Message-ID: <4b.2f392862.2c0b8dfc@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Daz asks: >I'm contemplating building a KR1 as a first project. Is this a good choice? Or should I start with something else? I really like the KR1 and would love to modify the tailplane (just a little) to resemble, say, a Messerschmitt 109 fighter. Would it take a lot of modification to get this, and would it still be "pilot-friendly"?< Daz: If you have read this board at length, you should know that the KR series of airplanes is inherently pitch sensitive. I too plan to build a KR, and I am prepared to accept this condition, though I plan to build the plane a tad longer to reduce this sensititvity. Mark Langford has considered this condition, and has provided much data and perspective about pitch sensitivity, and actually many other aspects of the KR-2 in general. I think you will find all his information to be good reads. Your question about "pilot friendly" seems a loaded question. Much depends on your personality and pilot experience. You can't trim out a KR, and take a nap. If that is a problem, you may want to consider another planform. Please understand that I am relatively new to the internet stuff, and I respond to your e-mail because I do not see anyone else offering help. Richard Alps --===============13890026355806029== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:07:40 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: KR>Re: I'm contemplating building a KR1 as a first project. Is this a good choice? Message-ID: <3EDA6B1C.000035.01028@dan> References: <4b.2f392862.2c0b8dfc@aol.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 10 DAZ,=0D =0D I am on my second KR, so I think it is a good choice. If you like a sing= le place airplane, it is a very good choice. Look at the featured KR on http://KRNet.org That is one of the finest examples of a KR that you will ever see and it is a KR1. Come to the gathering this year and you may ge= t to see it in person.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From bearsfrizz@hotmail.com Sun Jun 01 11:10:35 2003 Received: from law12-f85.law12.hotmail.com ([64.4.19.85] helo=hotmail.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19MXHv-0002ef-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 11:10:35 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 11:12:15 -0700 Received: from 68.84.89.187 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 Jun 2003 18:12:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.84.89.187] X-Originating-Email: [bearsfrizz@hotmail.com] From: "ace nunye" To: krnet@mylist.net Bcc: Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 14:12:14 -0400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2003 18:12:15.0101 (UTC) FILETIME=[548252D0:01C32869] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>RE: KR1004k X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Is this what i think it is ? ? ? ? It is on barnstormers for sale asking 10,00$ _________________________________________________________________ The new [1]MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* References 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMQENCA/2737??PS= --===============13890026355806029== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 11:29:53 -0500 From: "Justin" To: Subject: KR>Naca Ducts Message-ID: <000c01c3285b$0827b1e0$53dc1818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 11 I looked through your website Mark, but I find nothing on how you made = your Naca Ducts. Other people like Richard on his KR1 use something = simular but still I dont see any way on how to make one. From pictures = it seems like it isnt anything in the fuselage but in front of the = firewall. I want to make sure I have nothing left to do to the fuselage = before I skin it. Justin --===============13890026355806029== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 11:34:46 -0500 From: "Justin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>RE: KR1004k Message-ID: <000701c3285b$b65f9c00$53dc1818@computer> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Search Results Page 1 of 3 Pages... KR1004K . FOR SALE BY OWNER!! History and pictures available. Less engine, needs Alt. and some vary minor repairs. race #53, IF1 type race plane. Vary fast and fun to fly. e-mail for more info. asking $10k. Contact Janice Pearce located Apache Junction AZ USA. Telephone: (480)357-2900. -- Posted 1 June 2003 -- Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser -- To send this Ad to a friend: Click here. I wonder what would make him want to sell this machine? It sounds liek he had some sort of an accident with it, saying that it needs repairs. Possibly a prop strike? Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "ace nunye" To: Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: KR>RE: KR1004k > > Is this what i think it is ? ? ? ? It is on barnstormers for sale > asking 10,00$ > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new [1]MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > > References > > 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMQENCA/2737??PS= > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > --===============13890026355806029== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:49:11 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Naca Ducts Message-ID: <016101c3286e$7e8bf180$1202a8c0@basement> References: <000c01c3285b$0827b1e0$53dc1818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Justin wrote: >> I looked through your website Mark, but I find nothing on how you made your Naca Ducts. Other people like Richard on his KR1 use something simular but still I dont see any way on how to make one. From pictures it seems like it isnt anything in the fuselage but in front of the firewall. I want to make sure I have nothing left to do to the fuselage before I skin it.<< Nothing on how I made them? I thought I'd done that, but maybe not. Basically I stuck a 2" piece of foam to the bottom of the fuselage, cut them out, and glassed them, using information from the web such as http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/NACA_duct.jpg . You're nowhere ready to start worrying about them though... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --===============13890026355806029== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:52:09 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>RE: KR1004k Message-ID: <017401c3286e$e7f8c620$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 somebody wrote: > Is this what i think it is ? ? ? ? It is on barnstormers for sale > asking 10,00$ Yep, that's the KR100! More details on this one-of-a-kind plane are at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr100/ . My guess is somebody's wife's had enough of it sitting around... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --===============13890026355806029== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:16:38 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>KR1 - first time builder? Message-ID: <014a01c32869$f1ff3fa0$1202a8c0@basement> References: <4b.2f392862.2c0b8dfc@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 I know I've made comments about pitch sensitivity before, but I've tempered my attitude ever since I flew Jim Faughn's KR. There are sensitive ones and then there are "light" ones. I could see how you could crawl into Jim's or Troy's and fly it for the first time with no problem at all, and learn to love it in short order. I've flown others that made me think I was going to rip the wings off, and others somewhere in the middle. I suspect CG had a lot to do with this, and I think Jim would tell you that his CG is biased toward the forward end. As long as the CG kept forward, rather than aft, I don't have a problem with KR pitch control. It's a small, short-coupled plane, so yes, if you lean forward the pitch is going to change, but's that's just the way it is. But like I said, I've only flown a few, a little at a time, so I'm no expert. I don't guess it will be long before a bunch of us wannabees will be real-live KR pilots, and we'll tell you how it is with the new generation of KRs. Other comments are more than welcome... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --===============13890026355806029== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 13:15:22 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>RE: KR1004k Message-ID: <014901c32869$c4602be0$1202a8c0@basement> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 somebody wrote: > Is this what i think it is ? ? ? ? It is on barnstormers for sale > asking 10,00$ Yep, that's the KR100! More details are at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr100/ . If somebody on KRnet doesn't buy it, I may have to... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --===============13890026355806029==-- --===============21062198880908456== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --===============21062198880908456==--