From: To: Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 59, Issue 1 Date: Saturday, June 07, 2003 12:02 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Corvair in a KR2 (Mark Langford) 2. Re: Plane Trailer (Phil Spurr) 3. Dual Stick Plans (Dan Heath) 4. Re: Dual Stick Plans (KRJerry) 5. Red Oak 2003 (Jeff & Lynda Bryson) 6. Plane Trailer (long) (larry flesner) 7. Re: Plane Trailer (long) 8. Re: Re: Plane Trailer 9. Re: Re: Plane Trailer (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 10. Re: Plane Trailer (Richard Green) 11. Plane Trailer (larry flesner) 12. dual throttles (larry flesner) 13. Re: Center stick, dual throttle (was KR>Dual Stick Plans) (Donald Reid) 14. RE:GREAT STUFF (ace nunye) 15. Re: Re: Plane Trailer (Patrick Driscoll) 16. KR2 Simulator (Phil Spurr) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:50:29 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" , "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" Subject: KR>Corvair in a KR2 Message-ID: <01a601c32c75$a60e0bc0$1202a8c0@basement> References: <1d1.b0e5200.2c100456@aol.com><3.0.6.32.20030605094522.00793860@pop.midwest.net><3.0.6.32.20030606072701.007acce0@pop.midwest.net> <001001c32c4a$7a105a80$2321fea9@audiovideo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Russ wrote: > Hey guys I'm new here. Does anyone have specs and performance figures for > the KR2S with the Corvair engine? Does anyone have one for sale? How hard is > it to modify and existing KR for a corvair? If you have questions about the Corvair, or need to find an engine for sale, you definitely need to join the "CorvAircraft" list by sending an empty email to corvaircraft-join@mylist.net . There's a whole lot more info on the Corvair as installed in an S on my Corvair website at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/ . As for one that's actually FLYING, there's not a KR2S flying a Corvair YET, but there will be several shortly. There ARE two KR2s flying behind a Corvair, one belonging to Steve Makish, and the other belongs to Bob Lester, both of Boca Raton, FL. I just talked to Steve, who gave me a detailed update. He has about 75 hours on his so far, a "stock" 2700cc with OT-10 cam built following William Wynne's manual's recommendations. He's been through several different carburetors, but is now very happy with an Ellison EFS-3. Wide open at low altitude, he gets about 175 mph at 3350 rpm, burning about 6.5 gallons/hour of 93 octane (9:1 compression ratio). He's running a Prince 52 x 66 "P-tip" prop, and his plane is a little heavy at 805 pounds. He's working with Sterba on a new prop and expects to go faster when it's "dialed in". Right now, at 70% power, he does 150 mph burning 4.6 gallons per hour. Although he has a Facet electric pump, he says the Ellison runs fine on gravity from the header tank, even if the Facet is turned off. Steve has flown behind Type 1 and Type 4 VWs, a Subaru, and now the Corvair (all in the same plane), and he's quite happy with the Corvair. His installation can be seen at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/snf2002/ . This guy is a wealth of infomation as to what works and what doesn't on the KR2. He's just joined the list so if there are questions, he can probably answer them... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 23:55:59 +0100 From: Phil Spurr To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Re: Plane Trailer Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 Surprised ( and disappointed ) no one has replied to this question, I'm also looking to start next week on a trailer project for a KR2 tri-gear, and would welcome advice from those that have been there already. Especially if you have some good idea's on how to winch up the plane on to the trailer without causing too much stress on the gear ! Trailer will be (for legal reasons) only just wide enough to take the aircraft wheels, which means that the plane has to ride up and over the height of the trailer wheels, and I'm using a converted caravan chassis for this. If anyone has similar experience, I'd be grateful to hear about it.. Phil Phil.Spurr@btopenworld.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:37:26 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: KR>Dual Stick Plans Message-ID: <3EE15DF6.000008.01604@dan> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 I have added the plans from the newsletters, for the dual stick. These a= re the plans that Jerry and I used to build ours.=0D =0D You may check them out by clicking on the purple stuff below. If you wan= t the picture, just click the thumbnail, right click on the resulting pictu= re in the large picture frame, and copy it.=0D =0D http://kr-builder.org/ElevatorControl/index.html =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From krjerry@bellsouth.net Fri Jun 06 18:01:26 2003 Received: from mail100.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.58.40] helo=imf17aec.bellsouth.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 19OS5G-000AeP-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 18:01:26 -0700 Received: from oldmerlin ([68.154.152.160]) by imf17aec.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20030607010021.ZMGY1463.imf17aec.bellsouth.net@oldmerlin> for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:00:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3EE164F8.000001.00516@oldmerlin> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:07:20 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_8GF3QL80000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001138.2001138) From: "KRJerry" References: <3EE15DF6.000008.01604@dan> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: KR>Dual Stick Plans X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: --------------Boundary-00=_8GF3QL80000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dan'l=0D =0D You got the wrong mag article........!!!!=0D =0D =0D N64KR=0D Jerry Mahurin=0D Lugoff, SC=0D KRJerry@bellsouth.net=0D http://kr-builder.org=0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Friday, June 06, 2003 05:35:15 PM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: KR>Dual Stick Plans=0D =0D I have added the plans from the newsletters, for the dual stick. These ar= e=0D the plans that Jerry and I used to build ours.=0D =0D You may check them out by clicking on the purple stuff below. If you want= =0D the picture, just click the thumbnail, right click on the resulting pictu= re=0D in the large picture frame, and copy it.=0D =0D http://kr-builder.org/ElevatorControl/index.html=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2E --------------Boundary-00=_8GF3QL80000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:03:26 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "KRJerry" To: Subject: Re: KR>Dual Stick Plans Message-ID: <3EE1721E.000004.01112@oldmerlin> References: <3EE164F8.000001.00516@oldmerlin> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 =2E........OOOPs..... didn't mean to send it to the list..... =0D =0D N64KR=0D Jerry Mahurin=0D Lugoff, SC=0D KRJerry@bellsouth.net=0D http://kr-builder.org=0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Friday, June 06, 2003 06:00:34 PM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: Re: KR>Dual Stick Plans=0D =0D Dan'l=0D =0D You got the wrong mag article........!!!!=0D =0D =0D N64KR=0D Jerry Mahurin=0D Lugoff, SC=0D KRJerry@bellsouth.net=0D http://kr-builder.org=0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Friday, June 06, 2003 05:35:15 PM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: KR>Dual Stick Plans=0D =0D I have added the plans from the newsletters, for the dual stick. These ar= e=0D the plans that Jerry and I used to build ours.=0D =0D You may check them out by clicking on the purple stuff below. If you want= =0D the picture, just click the thumbnail, right click on the resulting pictu= re=0D in the large picture frame, and copy it.=0D =0D http://kr-builder.org/ElevatorControl/index.html=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2E=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Fri Jun 06 19:02:26 2003 Received: from mta02.alltel.net ([166.102.165.144] helo=mta02-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19OT2I-000BEV-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 19:02:26 -0700 Received: from dan ([151.213.88.243]) by mta02-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20030607020018.NTCZ8923.mta02-srv.alltel.net@dan> for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:00:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3EE17278.00000A.01604@dan> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:04:56 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001107.2001107) From: "Dan Heath" References: <3EE1721E.000004.01112@oldmerlin> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: KR>Dual Stick Plans Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Yes, I do believe that that is a different article, but the plans are the ones we used. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From resauer@cox.net Fri Jun 06 19:13:15 2003 Received: from fed1mtao03.cox.net ([68.6.19.242]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19OTCl-000BN7-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 19:13:15 -0700 Received: from home ([24.56.57.254]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20030607021105.ZFNZ5853.fed1mtao03.cox.net@home> for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:11:05 -0400 Message-ID: <006f01c32c9a$bef7c340$fe393818@ph.cox.net> From: "Bob Sauer" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <3EE1721E.000004.01112@oldmerlin> <3EE17278.00000A.01604@dan> Subject: Re: KR>Dual Stick Plans Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:16:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Has anyone used dual throttles with a center stick? How are they designed? Bob Sauer Sun City West. AZ From: resauer@cox.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:04 PM Subject: Re: KR>Dual Stick Plans Yes, I do believe that that is a different article, but the plans are the ones we used. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Red Oak - 2003 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:09:31 -0700 From: "Jeff & Lynda Bryson" To: Subject: KR>Red Oak 2003 Message-ID: <009601c32ca2$37727d40$d3de4b42@FossilQueen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 5 Well this is my first. I have contributed some to the old newsletter = but have not tried this yet. My question concerns my flight to Red Oak = in September. I live in Bakersfield, Calif. and will be taking the = route via Kingman, Az., Gallup, NM., and turn north at Tucumcari, NM. = I've not flown past NM. and wonder what kind of weather and winds I may = encounter en route from NM. to Iowa at that time of year. My plane has = been in the air since '98 and flys great. Just remember what I said = numerous times in the newsletter, It ain't pretty but it is fun. = Thanks. Jeff Bryson, N949JB.=20 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 22:06:27 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Plane Trailer (long) Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030606220627.007b0590@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 >Surprised ( and disappointed ) no one has replied to this question, I'm >also looking to start next week on a trailer project for a KR2 tri-gear, >and would welcome advice from those that have been there already. >Especially if you have some good idea's on how to winch up the plane on to >the trailer without causing too much stress on the gear ! >Phil +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= I held back on that one as I thought you might think my solution might be a bit of "over-kill". Being an optimist, I purchased/built my trailer about 6 years ago. I just got my paperwork in the mail today from the FAA saying my KR is now a real airplane so I guess I'd better get it ready to fly. My criteria when starting was: - tandem axle, at least 12" wheels. I didn't want to lose my KR to a tire blowout or leave it setting along the highway while I went to get a tire fixed. - lightweight frame, I didn't want the trailer to weigh more than the load I would be hauling. - easy load and unload. - a trailer with enough "guts" that I could pull it across the country if need be. - CHEAP ! I knew it wouldn't get a lot of use so I didn't want to have a lot of money tie up. It took me about six months of looking in a 50 mile area and I ended up finding one just a mile from my house. It was a (well) used tandem axle boat trailer for a river Jon boat. The owner wanted $400. I held out for 30 days and got it for $275. The frame is basicly flat using 3" lightweight channel steel. A friend cut off all the roller assemblies and associated parts leaving just the flat frame. I bought four new wheels and tires ($29 ea), one new wheel bearing, and a new light kit. From the local scrap yard I bought three pieces of chanel steel, 1" x 6" by about 7'10" long. In Illinois a trailer is legal up to 8' wide and my gear spread goes right to the 8' mark. I used some 4"x4"s to bring the deck height to just even with the top of the fenders. I then used 8 foot 2"x10"s from front to rear over the axle area for landing gear. I have a 24 inch (approx) platform on each side for the mains and a 10" wide board down the middle running all the way to the front for the tailwheel. All tailwheel aircraft are pulled with tail to the front. I use 10 foot ramps that simply clip on to the back of the trailer and a simple center support for each ramp. Aircraft are winched on using the boat winch and 1/4" cable. I've never need over two people to load any aircraft I've hauled, one person to turn the winch and a second to guide the aircraft onto the trailer. The trailer setup allows most of the aircraft weight to stay over the trailer wheels, helps me control the tongue weight, and makes for one great pulling trailer. When loaded I simply tack down some wood chocks and strap the gear legs to the trailer frame. If I were to do it again I would have cut the fenders off also and simply put a light alum sheet on the bottom side of the deck. I could have lowered the deck a good 4" that way. Sometimes you just don't notice the simple things until the project is finished and you step back to admire it. I have wing racks that attach to the trailer to haul the wings and make it a one trip affair. To date it has hauled: - my KR (three times) it is a 24" stretch with the outside of the main gear tires just outside of the wing center section. - an AcroSport II (two times) - an RV 4 - an RV6A - a KitFox - a Starlight - a Long Eze - a Wittman W-10 project (14 hours on the highway) - it made one trip to Minnesota and Michigan (approx 34 hour on the highway) - a full size hot tub, a mower, and a partridge to the pear tree. (just checking to see if anyone really reads these post) I probably have about $800 tied up it the trailer. Not bad for all the work and precious cargo it has moved. My advise would be if you only plan to haul your KR a short distance to and from the airport and nothing else, keep it light and keep it simple. A cheap, lightweight trailer with the tongue extended and the wheels moved in or out to just inside or just outside you main gear should do. No deck with just channels for the gear would be best. Remember, you only intend to haul 700 pounds max. That's about the same weight as you and three of your friends. O.K., may two of your friends for some of you, but you get the point. Anything more than that, I'd suggest you do it up right and you won't have to live in fear each time you use it. If I can get a digital picture in the next week or two, I'll shoot it to Mark for posting. This subject comes up every couple years. Speaking of years, this year will mark my 14th Gathering without a miss ! Can anyone out there beat that? Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 02:34:50 EDT From: SALTMINES@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Plane Trailer (long) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 Larry, Many thanks for the info...good stuff to mull. I have two boat trailers now, one is for the Starcraft (boat) and is dedicated. The available is a tandem axle originally built for an Owens 26'. It is a bunch of overkill but has good electric brakes and can be brought down considerably in weight by shortening and losing some of the cross braces. Since I'm used to hauling a 5000 LB boat a little extra heavy trailer wouldn't be a problem and could offer a little extra protection on rough highways. Have thought of a platform mounted on shock absorbers but I think the springiness of the gear (Dan Diehl tri), built for a bump or two on landing, should be all of the help in that department. Am especially concerned about a good wing carry rack...or system. Saw a plane tow wreck on the freeway a couple of months ago where one of the detached wings was off the trailer and became roadkill. I don't think there was an accident...just looked like the wing had come off of the trailer, sloppy tie down or something. Any photo really would be appreciated. Again, thanks for your help. Stephen Mines/KR2 Saltmines@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 02:38:32 EDT From: SALTMINES@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Re: Plane Trailer Message-ID: <7b.12afacd5.2c12e268@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Phil, Thanks for the input. I've had experience w/trailer building and have plans for a 26 footer. I think scaling down is the order of the day but like you I want to use what I have: a hefty tandem boat trailer rated for 5000 LB. A little macro surgery I guess! Stephen Mines/KR2 Saltmines@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 06:16:27 -0400 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Re: Plane Trailer Message-ID: <20030607.061627.2304.1.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 I built a trailer from scratch. 8' wide X 16' long, it tilts and has wing pockets (or slings) so the entire plane fits on the trailer. Just a single axle.I use it to take the plane to the airport in spring and bring it home in the fall. Works very well. On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 23:55:59 +0100 Phil Spurr writes: > Surprised ( and disappointed ) no one has replied to this question, > I'm > also looking to start next week on a trailer project for a KR2 > tri-gear, > and would welcome advice from those that have been there already. > Especially if you have some good idea's on how to winch up the plane > on to > the trailer without causing too much stress on the gear ! Trailer > will be > (for legal reasons) only just wide enough to take the aircraft > wheels, > which means that the plane has to ride up and over the height of > the > trailer wheels, and I'm using a converted caravan chassis for this. > If anyone has similar experience, I'd be grateful to hear about > it.. > > Phil > > Phil.Spurr@btopenworld.com > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 05:23:41 -0500 From: "Richard Green" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: KR>Re: Plane Trailer Message-ID: <000001c32cde$de831400$55001e43@greenhome2a1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 Recent discussions on trailers brought to mind the attached, Sept 2002, post from Oscar Zuniga. I really thought the "Dawn Patrol" trailer idea was a pretty neat set-up; check the link in the following post for detail drawings, etc: -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:08 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> trailers Hello, netters; There was some discussion about trailers a week or two ago. Here are more ideas, from the "Dawn Patrol" guys (you may remember them from a Gathering a few years ago): http://www.kcdawnpatrol.com/trailers.htm Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net -----Original Message----- From: Phil Spurr Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 5:56 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Re: Plane Trailer Surprised ( and disappointed ) no one has replied to this question, I'm also looking to start next week on a trailer project for a KR2 tri-gear, and would welcome advice from those that have been there already. Especially if you have some good idea's on how to winch up the plane on to the trailer without causing too much stress on the gear ! Trailer will be (for legal reasons) only just wide enough to take the aircraft wheels, which means that the plane has to ride up and over the height of the trailer wheels, and I'm using a converted caravan chassis for this. If anyone has similar experience, I'd be grateful to hear about it.. Phil Phil.Spurr@btopenworld.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 06:06:30 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Plane Trailer Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030607060630.007dad40@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <000001c32cde$de831400$55001e43@greenhome2a1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 For those of you in an active EAA chapter or have a large circle of "flying buddies", I'd suggest you try to make a plane hauling trailer a group project. You could cut your cost considerably and still have it any time you wanted it. My trailer gets used maybe 5 to 7 days A YEAR and it's available to two EAA chapters in the area and I use it for some general purpose hauling. Make it a chapter owned and built project and it may not cost you anything! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 07:14:18 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>dual throttles Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030607071418.007bc100@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <006f01c32c9a$bef7c340$fe393818@ph.cox.net> References: <3EE1721E.000004.01112@oldmerlin> <3EE17278.00000A.01604@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12 >Has anyone used dual throttles with a center stick? How are they designed? >Bob Sauer +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= It shouldn't be any big deal. Just run both throttle cables to a common bellcrank on the firewall and a cable from there to the carb/carbs. The actual setup would differ from plane to plane depending on engine, carb,etc. I would suggest that you have a friction lock on the pilot side only to avoid possible problems. I seem to recall some homebuilt/kit designs call for dual throttles. Is it the Zenith designs maybe? They use a center stick. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 09:31:17 -0400 From: Donald Reid To: Subject: Re: Center stick, dual throttle (was KR>Dual Stick Plans) Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20030607092624.00b1dce0@pop.erols.com> In-Reply-To: <006f01c32c9a$bef7c340$fe393818@ph.cox.net> References: <3EE1721E.000004.01112@oldmerlin> <3EE17278.00000A.01604@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13 At 07:16 PM 6/6/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Has anyone used dual throttles with a center stick? How are they designed? I have an O200 with Marvil-Schebler carb. The throttle arm on the carb has three attachment holes. Both throttle controls run to the carb and attach in a perfectly normal manner. It is a very simple arrangement. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.orgFrom bearsfrizz@hotmail.com Sat Jun 07 06:48:44 2003 Received: from law12-f82.law12.hotmail.com ([64.4.19.82] helo=hotmail.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19Oe3o-000GyO-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 06:48:44 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 06:46:39 -0700 Received: from 68.84.89.187 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 13:46:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.84.89.187] X-Originating-Email: [bearsfrizz@hotmail.com] From: "ace nunye" To: krnet@mylist.net Bcc: Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 09:46:38 -0400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2003 13:46:39.0062 (UTC) FILETIME=[385E3F60:01C32CFB] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>(no subject) X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: TOP TEN REASON NOT TO USE GREAT STUFF FOAM 1. IT IS EXPENSIVE FOR THE QUANITY YOU END UP WITH 2. YOU HAVE TO USE THE WHOLE CAN EVERYTIME 3.EXPANDS UNPREDICTABLY 4. DOESNT SAND VERY WELL 5. ITS URETHANE AND PRODUESES DEALY GAS WHEN HOT WIRED 6. LEAVES VERY LARGE VOIDS TO BE FILLED WHEN YOU DO SAND 7. WHEN USED AS GLUE IT EXPANDS AND TRIES TO MOVE THE PARTS 8. IT EATS INTO THE EXTRUDED FOAM WHEN YOU GLUE WITH IT 9. IT IS NOT AS DENSE AS STYRENE FOAM AND THERE FORE NOT AS STRONG 10. YOU'LL SPEND MORE TIME TRYING HOW TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THIS YELLOW MESS NOW THAT ITS HARDENED AND THE PARTS HAVE MOVED OR SWELLED OR SOMETHING THAN IT WOULD TAKE TO BUILD 10 AIRPLANES ! Of course this is just my opinion but it is very unpridictable stuff I wouldnt use it again its a waste of time. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - [1]Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online References 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMHENCA/2755??PS= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 09:48:58 -0400 From: "ace nunye" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>RE:GREAT STUFF Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14 forgot the subject _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with [1]MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. References 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMHENCA/2746??PS= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 10:22:38 -0500 From: "Patrick Driscoll" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Re: Plane Trailer Message-ID: <003501c32d08$a1c16420$902dee42@oemcomputer> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 Phil, Have you thought of pulling the trailer wheels to the inside of the KR landing gear? They could then "hump up" from the trailer bed and the KR wheels would ride on the outside of the trailer wheels. Pat Driscoll ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 17:19:11 +0100 From: Phil Spurr To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>KR2 Simulator Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 16 Hi All Has anyone tried to produce a realistic model of a KR2 or KR2S, more so in handling terms than looks, rendition for either Microsoft's Flight Simulator or X-Plane ? I'm interested to experiment and do 'what if's' with a simulator version, and would like to know if anything already exists before re-inventing the wheel. If nothing exists, then I will probably use X-Plane, because despite it's lack of scenery and gizmo's compared to FS2002, I do believe it is more authentic ( and easier ) to produce a realistic flight / propulsion model. Alternatively I can start to model one myself, but in that case does anyone know of any computer based / CAD files of a KR2 drawings that would speed up the progress ? I'm willing to share the end product, but it would initially be a tri-gear KR2, with other options following on from there... Regards Phil Phil.Spurr@btopenworld.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 59, Issue 1 ************************************