From: To: Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 60, Issue 2 Date: Sunday, June 08, 2003 12:00 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. plane trailer towing question (larry flesner) 2. Re: airscopes (Dana Overall) 3. Grove or Diehl (larry flesner) 4. Re: Retract or not. 5. Diehl lower castings (larry flesner) 6. Re: www.flightsim.com. (Robert Stone) 7. Re: KR2 or S Can you strech one? (jim @ synergy design) 8. Re: Grove gear for the KR is at http://www.groveaircraft.com/kr2.html . It looks like it's gone up to $770recently (Kenneth L Wiltrout) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 10:26:01 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>plane trailer towing question Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030608102601.007d85d0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <009601c32ca2$37727d40$d3de4b42@FossilQueen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 I got a personal post from someone on the net that I will answer on the net for others to see. The question: Does towing the aircraft tail first damage your HS/V tail? Do you do something to protect them? The answer is the H/V stabs should be o.k but yes you could damage the elevator or rudder and yes I do something to protect them. I use a 1"x 2" x ?" pieces of wood. Dowels should work equally well. I pad them and place one on top and bottom, each side, over the HS/elevator and one each side on the VS/rudder. I strap the ends together with bungees, rope, etc. so they act as control locks. I've towed my KR tail first at speeds of 60 mph with no problems. Your results may vary......... Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 11:30:49 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>airscopes Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 Man, I sign on for a day to try and find anyone in Switzerland and end up seeing something to reply to. You need a fab-4-scoop-320, $60.00 from Van's at 503-678-6545. As I understand it, this scoop fits the KR cowl. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: Flymaca711689@aol.com >Reply-To: KR builders and pilots >To: krnet@mylist.net >Subject: KR>airscopes Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 10:35:03 EDT > > can sobody till me what rv scope to use on the kr for ramair . >or someone that makes scopes to save time !!!!!! > > > > > > >billy mcfarland >flymaca711689@aol.com >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 10:56:23 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Grove or Diehl Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030608105623.007e34c0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <046701c32dc6$3014f440$1202a8c0@basement> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 SNIP And alignment should >be very close to start with. Not so with the Diehl gear, which depends on >arbitrary "hail Mary" measurements made on the bench before they are even >assembled to the plane. SNIP And the biggie to me is that the Grove gear is >taller, so slow, full-stall landings become an option. SNIP >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The alignment issue on the Diehl gear is much less of an issue if the builder drills the four mounting holes in the lower bracket but only one hole in the lower end of the leg. Mount the gear leg and, with a single bolt holding the lower bracket in place, do your alignment measurements/adjustments on the airplane. Some additional height could probably be gained on the Diehl gear with "taller" lower end brackets as (I believe) Mark intends to do. The longer lower bracket will add some additional "twist" loads to the gear legs, especially on rougher fields, but I SUSPECT the gear should handle it o.k. Be advised, I'm NOT and engineer. Finally, if you decide to go the "Grove" route for the mains and a Diehl nose gear, make sure they are compatable in height so your three point attitude on the ground is correct. That will be YOUR responsibility, not the suppliers. Good luck. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 11:59:44 EDT From: SALTMINES@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Retract or not. Message-ID: <1a9.15c90baf.2c14b770@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Russ/Mark, Just for added information: Diehl Aero-Nautical recalled lower axle casings in late '92, early '93 due to failures on landing. All were replaced at no charge w/a new design. Some projects had been sold and Diehl couldn't contact the new owners for lack of info, perhaps resulting in failures once they were flown. This was on FIXED landing gear. At the same time they recalled the tri gear nosewheel to attach the self-centering spring device (which mine has) to prevent shimmy on touchdown, also at no charge. The recall was noted in Jan 93 Sport Aviation under Aviation News. Stephen Mines/Mines MarineKR2 Saltmines@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 11:04:41 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Diehl lower castings Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030608110441.00795b90@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <1a9.15c90baf.2c14b770@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5 Diehl Aero-Nautical recalled lower axle casings >in late '92, early '93 due to failures on landing. All were replaced at no >charge w/a new design. >Stephen Mines/Mines MarineKR2 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Good point. If you have Diehl gear and the lower bracket is "cast Alum", get rid of it. Dan recommended back then that the airplane not be flown until the lower brackets were replaced. The replacement Diehl lower brackets are made from 1/4" 4130 steel ,are 2 1/2" wide by X? tall with gussets added. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 11:22:54 -0500 From: "Robert Stone" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>www.flightsim.com. Message-ID: <000401c32dda$371eed40$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> References: <003c01c32d66$916252c0$0201a8c0@rklucznik> <3EE36BD6.000022.01596@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Dan, Try again and see what happens. I just tried that web site and it popped right in. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Heath" To: ; Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 12:01 PM Subject: Re: KR>www.flightsim.com. Has anyone else tried www.flightsim.com. It does not come up for me. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Red Oak - 2003 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 11:02:51 -0600 From: "jim @ synergy design" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>KR2 or S Can you strech one? Message-ID: <003101c32ddf$cd1a0fa0$0101a8c0@pavilion> References: <004501c32d29$7fbfef60$2321fea9@audiovideo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 Hi Russ, Welcome to the kr net. Re: your question about stretching the existing fuselage. If you try to cut or slice apart the existing, you will probably destroy the wood( I think you will spend about half as much in wood to "remodel" the existing, But about 3 times the labor). . My suggestion is to build a NEW fuselage, and turtle deck. If you are patient, you could carefully remove the elevator, forward deck(just make fuselage the same shape) , you could also probably re-use the center section spars, but remove the fiberglass. It took me about a week to build my boat. I am a cabinetmaker, so I have tools, skills etc. I spent about 4-5 hours a night building the boat. If you do go this route, I HIGHLY recommend a 12" disc sander(Harbor Freight, about 110.00) Indispensable for making gusset blocks. I do not think you could save vert. stab, but you could save rudder. If the wings are good I think you have a great head start. Hope this helps, Jim Sporka, KR-2s, Colorado, corvair. P.S. I think I saw a post from you about the retract gear, I would change to either grove or DEIHL fixed( what I have). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ & Brenda" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: Re: KR>KR2 or S Can you strech one? > I'm new and I'm 6-2 and 250lbs. There is a KR2 I'm looking at to put a > corvair motor on, could I stretch the completed KR2 (Unpainted) or is that > more work than it's worth? I the KR2 big enough for me? I hope I'm not > asking dumb questions. > Thanks, Russ Houck. > Corsicana Texas. > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 14:28:18 -0400 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Grove gear for the KR is at http://www.groveaircraft.com/kr2.html . It looks like it's gone up to $770recently Message-ID: <20030608.142819.2304.0.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 I've got the Diehl variety landing gear and it works very well,.With the one piece designs I would think you'd need to fair in the cross section under the aircraft. I do agree that wheel alignment will be easier since most of the work is completed coming out of the box since both side will be in alignment. With the Diehl design I couldn't believe how they wanted to route the cables around the gear legs, if anything seemed unsafe that was it. I went directly through the gear legs and thus no bends. On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 08:45:46 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) "Dan Heath" writes: > I would go with the single piece because it will give you "little to > no" > alignment problems. Also, get it "gun drilled". > > N64KR > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > DanRH@KR-Builder.org > > See you in Red Oak - 2003 > > See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic > See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 60, Issue 2 ************************************