From: To: Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 63, Issue 1 Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:01 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. revmaster and posa tuning 2. RE: revmaster and posa tuning (Ron Freiberger) 3. Re: revmaster and posa tuning 4. Grove gear 5. Re: Grove Brackets (B. Wunder) 6. Re: revmaster and posa tuning (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 7. Re: vinylester resin (bill kirkland) 8. RE: revmaster and posa and ellison tuning (Kogelmann Christian - OS ETA) 9. Re: Gel Batteries (Timothy Bellville) 10. Re: KR landing gear/brakes (Timothy Bellville) 11. Re: revmaster and posa tuning (Mark Langford) 12. Re: Grove gear (David Mullins) 13. Re: vinylester resin (Phil Matheson) 14. Re: revmaster and posa tuning (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 15. Vortex Generator (Alexander Birca (RMD)) 16. RE: revmaster and posa tuning (Ron Freiberger) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:20:32 EDT From: Flymaca711689@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>revmaster and posa tuning Message-ID: <64.30e05673.2c17c1c0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 now that it stop raining! here in the east its back to more testing. my revflow is a dream so far but IM having teething problems with it i changed my lines to 3/8 it became rich on take off i readjusted it less then 1/2 turn and its OK again. my question is that after take off i have to start leaning it or it gets rough is this normal and you just have to get use to how to operate it. After all if you get it to lean its going to quit. I think you just got to learn how to use it idle its the same as my zenith 1000 1200 rpms some say that's to high but thats what mine and all that I have seen idle at. Billy mcfarland flymaca711689@aol.com flying kr2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:08:07 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>revmaster and posa tuning Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <64.30e05673.2c17c1c0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 You may need to reset that"carb" again when the rain restarts. ;o) Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Flymaca711689@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:21 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>revmaster and posa tuning now that it stop raining! here in the east its back to more testing. my revflow is a dream so far but IM having teething problems with it Billy mcfarland flymaca711689@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:09:33 EDT From: AviationMech@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>revmaster and posa tuning Message-ID: <17.3a50afac.2c17cd3d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 In a message dated 6/10/2003 7:21:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Flymaca711689@aol.com writes: > 1000 1200 rpms some On my first flight my Idle was 1000 static, in flight it climbed to 1200 and in order to land, I had to shut off the engine, the plane wanted to keep flying. Orma AKA AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com/aviationmech ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:16:07 EDT From: AviationMech@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Grove gear Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Help me out Netters, I made the switch to a fixed gear around "91" My gear came from Jeanette, I looked at the Grove gear and it looks similar, is it the same or is it different. Orma AKA AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com/aviationmech ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:37:11 -0500 From: "B. Wunder" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Grove Brackets Message-ID: <004e01c32fc2$5c63a160$1a34933f@computer> References: <000001c32f07$2b3cfe80$1a34933f@computer> <3EE5D716.000012.01200@dan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 >> It looks like that gear actually is mounted a few inches inside the fuselage. Is that how it works? >> The one page instruction sheet I received does not tell you where to mount the bracket. I bought the two piece gear which is somewhat like mounting the Diehl gear. If you get the one piece gear, the brackets would have to be inside the fuselage since it is 32" wide at the top (per the drawing on their web page). I was going to mount the bracket outside the fuselage, but close to the side of the fuselage. r/Bernie Lexington Park,MD KR2s Builder http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n2w6 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:51:00 -0400 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>revmaster and posa tuning Message-ID: <20030610.235100.3300.0.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 I also have the RevFlow. I don't have the same issues you have. I idle at 800 rpm, no leaning is required to 3000 ft. When the temps drop outside be sure to use carb heat, these things will ice up, then you bend the spring inside. When that happens the carb stays at almost full power and you gotta kill the mill to land. On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:20:32 EDT Flymaca711689@aol.com writes: > now that it stop raining! here in the east its back to more testing. > my revflow is a dream so far but IM having teething problems with it > > i changed my lines to 3/8 it became rich on take off i readjusted it > less > then 1/2 turn > and its OK again. my question is that after take off i have to > start leaning > it or it gets rough is this normal and you just have to get use to > how to > operate it. > After all if you get it to lean its going to quit. I think you just > got to > learn how to use it > idle its the same as my zenith 1000 1200 rpms some say that's to > high but > thats what mine and all that I have seen idle at. > > Billy mcfarland > flymaca711689@aol.com > flying kr2 > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:24:02 -0400 From: "bill kirkland" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>vinylester resin Message-ID: <002801c32fd1$4f468d80$eb942a18@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> References: <003301c32f4d$aadf1600$05462141@Beverly><001001c32f4f$2e4c4ca0$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 For vinyl ester resin try a marine supply or fiberglass store. vinyl ester must be "promoted" by the supplier when you buyy it. Once promoted it has a shelf life of about three months. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND wkirkland@rogers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT COOPER" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:37 AM Subject: Re: KR>vinylester resin Marks point about being ready to use it when you buy it is very important. I have bought 2 gallons and have used maybe 1/2 gal. total. Now I need more. I tried to revive the hardened resin by heating but it did not work. Does anyone know a source for vinylester resin other than A/C Spruce or a source to buy a quart or half gal. Jack Cooper mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/kr2 Fayetteville, NC. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Langford To: KR builders and pilots Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:52 AM Subject: Re: KR>Tanks Colin Rainey wrote: >> Can someone please tell me the actual product names/or part numbers to use from either Wicks, or AS&S so that I don't order the wrong stuff. I can't seem to find any product description that describes resin as vinylester, and have forgotten which foam is okay to use if necessary.<< Colin, In my slightly old AS&S catalog, it's just called "vinyl ester resin", and has a part number of 01-07350. You also need the catalyst, 01-07325. Last time I checked, Wicks didn't sell it. Make sure you're ready to use the stuff when you order it, because it has a finite shelf life once "promoted", which is how it'll be when you get it. You add "catalyst" to make it cure. Also check on availability, because last time I ordered it I had to wait about 3 or 4 months for it (which is one reason I'm still not real wild about AS&S). Properties and mixing instructions are listed in the AS&S catalog as well... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:12:14 +0200 From: Kogelmann Christian - OS ETA To: 'KR builders and pilots' Subject: RE: KR>revmaster and posa and ellison tuning Message-ID: <9D054CEF43F1C243A279E5435E9717461DBB51@sviemxs02.gate01.skylines.global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 I can confirm that Ken's procedure applies to an ellison throttle body as well. My first engine idle was set to 1000 RPM which was too high, the airplane will not land. Currently running around 700 RPM on a GPAS engine. The other thing is, with change in season (temperature/humidity) you will find yourself readjusting the ellison carb. And also, I haven't found out how high the humidity has to be but there is a certain point where it gets very hard to start the engine in extremely high humidity conditions (wet snow, rain,...) Christian OE-VPD http://www.members.aon.at/oevpd -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth L Wiltrout [mailto:klw1953@juno.com] Sent: Mittwoch, 11. Juni 2003 05:51 To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>revmaster and posa tuning I also have the RevFlow. I don't have the same issues you have. I idle at 800 rpm, no leaning is required to 3000 ft. When the temps drop outside be sure to use carb heat, these things will ice up, then you bend the spring inside. When that happens the carb stays at almost full power and you gotta kill the mill to land. On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:20:32 EDT Flymaca711689@aol.com writes: > now that it stop raining! here in the east its back to more testing. > my revflow is a dream so far but IM having teething problems with it > > i changed my lines to 3/8 it became rich on take off i readjusted it > less > then 1/2 turn > and its OK again. my question is that after take off i have to > start leaning > it or it gets rough is this normal and you just have to get use to > how to > operate it. > After all if you get it to lean its going to quit. I think you just > got to > learn how to use it > idle its the same as my zenith 1000 1200 rpms some say that's to > high but > thats what mine and all that I have seen idle at. > > Billy mcfarland > flymaca711689@aol.com > flying kr2 > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 05:08:24 -0400 From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Gel Batteries Message-ID: <000301c32ffa$2df29d30$375f570c@donnas> References: <008701c32fb2$7b10f960$0200a8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Not to pick a point at you Jim, But the Hindenburg fire was caused by the dope on the fabric of the outer skin, the hydrogen explosion was secondary, but still Very violent. The Drycell I use is a "Oddessay P545" out of a Jet ski application , from a battery wholesale house here in Toledo. it works great. Thanks Tim KR2 N7038V ----- Original Message ----- From: "JIM VANCE" To: "krnet" Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:41 PM Subject: KR>Gel Batteries I put a gel battery in my KR-2. It's worth a few extra bucks to not have to worry with venting and getting rid of the acid vapors. Batteries explode because they generate hydrogen gas when they are charged. Look at a picture of the Hindenberg to see what hydrogen can do. I found a small company that sells a full range of gel batteries. They are most professional in their service and shipping, and their prices are competitive. Their catalog can be seen at b and c specialty.com. Jim Vance Vance@ClafliinWildcats.com_______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 05:12:13 -0400 From: "Timothy Bellville" To: , "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>KR landing gear/brakes Message-ID: <000401c32ffa$2ec57d90$375f570c@donnas> References: <000101c32f30$ad5f8580$da05a8c0@sergevidal> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 What a great Idea Serge, I'm going to give it a try. Thanks Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "S.F. Vidal" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 5:09 AM Subject: RE: KR>KR landing gear/brakes > I have hand brakes on my flying KR. Since it's a taildragger, the two brakes > are separate to help with ground steering... which I strongly recommend for > all taildragger KR2s! My brakes are motrocycle type handles; they are not > mounted on the stick, Russian style, but just ahead of the main spar. You > grab them with one hand, while your other hand is on the stick. Non typical, > but easy to build and effective. > > You can have a look at them on Mark Langford's site, under Serge Vidal's KR. > > Serge F. VIDAL > KR2 ZS-WEC (between two engines) > Johannesburg, South Africa > E-mail: svidal@icon.co.za > > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Timothy Bellville > Sent: 10/06/2003 10:04 > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: KR>KR landing gear/brakes > > > Hi everyone, > I have a couple of new questions. > Awhile back , when I wrote about putting toe brakes on my Kr2, a gentleman > warned me to beef up the rudder control horn else I would bend it pressing > to hard on the brakes. I have found this to be true. > On my sonerai this was never a issue due to the metal construction of the > whole tail, but on the Kr, I am hesitant to change the design. > Does anyone know of a way to reinforce this area without doing major surgery > or adding to much additional weight? > And has anyone ever used a hand brake mounted to the stick to apply both > brakes at the same time? I had this Idea when I was contemplating the > control horn problem. > Also I have retracts, if it matters. > Thanks everyone, > Tim > KR2 > N7038V > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 06:36:10 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>revmaster and posa tuning Message-ID: <001f01c3300d$a872cdb0$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> References: <64.30e05673.2c17c1c0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Billy mcfarland wrote: > After all if you get it to lean its going to quit. I think you just got to > learn how to use it > idle its the same as my zenith 1000 1200 rpms some say that's to high but > thats what mine and all that I have seen idle at. I don't know diddly about Revmaster carbs (although I do know that the "Revflo" doesn't even have a floatbowl), but IF the model you have has a float bowl, this sounds like exactly what could happen if the floatbowl and the carb's inlet are not vented to the same place. Make sure you're not covering up any holes that lead to the float bowl, IF it even HAS a floatbowl, that is. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML at hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:47:27 -0400 From: David Mullins To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Grove gear Message-ID: <3EE716CF.2A870D56@attbi.com> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Orma, I talked to Jeanette at the last gathering. In that conversation she stated that the gear she offered was made by Grove. Robbie Grove started offering them for the KR directly a few years later. Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire AviationMech@aol.com wrote: > > Help me out Netters, I made the switch to a fixed gear around "91" My gear > came from Jeanette, I looked at the Grove gear and it looks similar, is it the > same or is it different. > > Orma AKA AviationMech > KR-2 N110LR > 1984 to Present > www.members.aol.com/aviationmech > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 23:19:48 +1000 From: "Phil Matheson" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>vinylester resin Message-ID: <002101c34878$47fe9d50$c897dccb@Office> References: <003301c32f4d$aadf1600$05462141@Beverly><001001c32f4f$2e4c4ca0$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 I do not know anywhere in the US they sell Ester resins, But in Australia I just go to where Glass Chemical tanks are made. The ones the use on farms for spraying. I just looked in the phone book. They sell it. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:07:46 -0400 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>revmaster and posa tuning Message-ID: <20030611.110747.3292.1.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 The RevFlow doesn't have a float bowl, gas goes in ,atomized,and burned. Getting the correct setting takes quit a while. What works best (in my opinion) is set set the mixture for a good idle thats not to rich or to lean. I pulled plugs often to see how they were burning. After the idle is set,tie the plane down and do a series of quick full throttle runups to be sure the fuel will be there on the takeoff roll and climb out. Well it's raining again. On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 06:36:10 -0500 "Mark Langford" writes: > Billy mcfarland wrote: > > > After all if you get it to lean its going to quit. I think you > just got > to > > learn how to use it > > idle its the same as my zenith 1000 1200 rpms some say that's to > high but > > thats what mine and all that I have seen idle at. > > I don't know diddly about Revmaster carbs (although I do know that > the > "Revflo" doesn't even have a floatbowl), but IF the model you have > has a > float bowl, this sounds like exactly what could happen if the > floatbowl and > the carb's inlet are not vented to the same place. Make sure you're > not > covering up any holes that lead to the float bowl, IF it even HAS a > floatbowl, that is. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML at hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:57:53 +0200 From: "Alexander Birca (RMD)" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: KR>Vortex Generator Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15 Hi All, James on Q-list has published his Q-2 experiments with VG's. I am wondering about, is there any KR using those small magic things? BR, Alex Birca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:29:55 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>revmaster and posa tuning Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030611.110747.3292.1.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 Kenneth L Wiltrout said Subject: Re: KR>revmaster and posa tuning The RevFlow doesn't have a float bowl, gas goes in ,atomized,and burned. Getting the correct setting takes quit a while. What works best (in my opinion) is set ....... Right, mixture also changes with fuel head ( depth of fuel in the header). Sounds like it'll keep you busy. That's why Mister Kingston invented a good float bowl carb for the model T. Available today in cast magnesium from one of our favorite vendors, nearly the same, except modern materials. And, it will Ice up... Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 63, Issue 1 ************************************