From: To: Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 86, Issue 1 Date: Friday, July 04, 2003 8:18 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Carb fuel pressure (Brian Kraut) 2. enlarging a KR1? (larry flesner) 3. Re: Carb fuel pressure (Colin) 4. Re: Carb fuel pressure (Dan Heath) 5. Re: Fw: KR 1 or 2 (Edwin Blocher) 6. RE: Carb fuel pressure (Kogelmann Christian - OS ETA) 7. Re: Fw: KR 1 or 2 (Dana Overall) 8. Re: 2-strokes in a KR (David Hartz) 9. Fun Friday pics. (Dana Overall) 10. RE: Carb fuel pressure (Dan Heath) 11. Re: Fw: KR 1 or 2 (Dan Heath) 12. RE: Synchro alternator (Kogelmann Christian - OS ETA) 13. RE: 2 strokes (ace nunye) 14. Re: RE: 2 strokes (Robert Stone) 15. Re: RE: 2 strokes (Dan Heath) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 13:43:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Carb fuel pressure Message-ID: <386160.1057264573182.JavaMail.nobody@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 I can't answer your question, but I do have one observation from my experience. I have a Zenith float bowl carb with gravity feed. I had the required fuel flow according to Great Plains recomendations, but I also wanted the extra margin of safety for take off, landing, and climbs so I decided to put a Facet electric pump in line. I couldn't keep the engine running above half throttle on the ground with the pump installed because the pressure from the gravity feed wouldn't overcome the spring loaded valve in the pump. There are a few ways to overcome this. One is to use a higher quality pump that is made to have less restriction when it is not running. The other is to put a low restriction check valve in parallel with the pump. Aircraft Spruce sells one. Of course this means a T before the pump and a T after the pump. In my case I just did away with the pump all together because my fuel flow was more than adequate without it. -------Original Message------- From: Colin Sent: 07/03/03 11:38 AM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Carb fuel pressure > > Netters, Does anyone know how much fuel pressure to run if adding an electric fuel pump to a gravity flow setup for takeoffs and climbs, go-around etc... I have an 1835VW with Ellison carb, gravity flow. I want to add an electric pump to make sure during initial climbout, and on approach to landing/possible go-around I am protected against fuel starvation. Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!_______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 16:57:01 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>enlarging a KR1? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030703165701.0081a1d0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 > I recently purchased the plans for a KR-1. I am a little tall 6'2" (large >upper body) so I want to do a couple of modifications and need a little >advice. > 1. I want to lengthen the fuselage a little. > 2. I want to use a 0-200 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Gord, You haven't started cutting wood yet so you have lots of options. It appears that you are looking for a FAST single place airplane. I would advise the following and anyone is free to argue the merits of my suggestions. Purchase a set of KR2 plans with the "S" suppliment. Incorporate the "S" mods for saftey and handling but build a single place airplane of standard KR2 length. Make the width whatever it takes for you to fit comfortably. Cut down the wing span a bit and use the new airfoil. Balance all control surfaces and install a well faired fixed gear. With attention to weight and some good airflow lines on the cowl and canopy you should be able to approach 180 to 200 mph cruise speeds. With all the time and effort you will put into building you may as well build an airplane you will be comfortable in and enjoy flying. Check out the KR100 info on Mark Langford's web site. Larry (d*m* I hate sanding ) Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 22:13:46 -0400 From: "Colin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Carb fuel pressure Message-ID: <000e01c341d1$e6427070$05462141@Beverly> References: <006201c34179$35da8ef0$05462141@Beverly> <3F04675E.000001.04032@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 Dan, I misspoke myself; I have a Zenith carb. Does that make a difference = like Brian Kraut says or is it the same? I don't have a problem running = a fuel pump full time. I did a lay-up tonight for the seat. One layer of carbon fiber onto = lasta foam? It seems pretty flexible. How many layers should be applied = to make the strength you have with your seat? Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From n56ml@hiwaay.net Thu Jul 03 20:16:51 2003 Received: from ant.hiwaay.net ([216.180.54.10] helo=mail.hiwaay.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19YH46-000EOh-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 20:16:50 -0700 Received: from basement (user-24-214-88-148.knology.net [24.214.88.148]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h643Fsgl777713 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 22:15:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005001c341da$ab8baec0$1202a8c0@basement> From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <3.0.6.32.20030703165701.0081a1d0@pop.midwest.net> Subject: Re: KR>enlarging a KR1? Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 22:16:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Larry Flesner wrote: > You haven't started cutting wood yet so you have lots of options. > It appears that you are looking for a FAST single place airplane. > I would advise the following and anyone is free to argue the merits > of my suggestions... Some excellent advice. Plans are much better for the KR2S than the KR1, and it's a simple matter to just make the whole thing narrower. I thought of the KR-100 as well. But like a lot of stuff on my site, I'm not sure there's a direct to it from anywhere. It's at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kr100/ . I'll try to fix that. Anybody know who bought it, or if it even sold on ebay (or wherever it was that we saw it last)? Even if I had a free O-200 in my shop, unless it was zero-timed, I'd seriously consider the Corvair. More power, dirt simple to work on, same weight and exterior dimensions, and a smooth, reliable, inexpensive 6-cylinder... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:22:31 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Carb fuel pressure Message-ID: <3F04F2F7.00000A.02888@Computer> References: <000e01c341d1$e6427070$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 Colin,=0D =0D Don't test it until you get the layer on the other side and on the edges.= I did not use lastafoam and ours is thicker than that with wooded ribs ever= y 2 , so I really cannot tell you how many layers will work in your configuration. You will just have to do a small layup and test it. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:14:19 PM=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: Re: KR>Carb fuel pressure=0D =0D Dan,=0D I misspoke myself; I have a Zenith carb. Does that make a difference like Brian Kraut says or is it the same? I don't have a problem running a fuel pump full time.=0D I did a lay-up tonight for the seat. One layer of carbon fiber onto lasta foam? It seems pretty flexible. How many layers should be applied to make the strength you have with your seat?=0D =0D Colin Rainey KR2(td)=0D crainey1@cfl.rr.com=0D Sanford, Florida=0D FLY SAFE!!!!_______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom kr2cooper@msn.com Thu Jul 03 21:00:48 2003 Received: from bay5-dav7.bay5.hotmail.com ([65.54.172.111] helo=hotmail.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19YHke-000Efo-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 21:00:48 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 20:59:55 -0700 Received: from 67.213.51.75 by bay5-dav7.bay5.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 04 Jul 2003 03:59:55 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.213.51.75] X-Originating-Email: [kr2cooper@msn.com] From: "ROBERT COOPER" To: "krnet" Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:50:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:50:07 -0400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2003 03:59:55.0562 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA99B0A0:01C341E0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Fw: KR 1 or 2 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I would also agree on building a KR-2 or 2S rather than a 1 and making = the width to suit yourself. Take a look at Richard Shirley's KR-1. This = is truly a beautiful KR and I only have good things to say about it but = look at Richard in it. He appears to be funneled into it. I saw a KR-2 = at Sun-N-Fun I believe in 2001 which was built as a single place and was = impresses with the look of comfort in the cockpit. I was so impressed by = it that I decided to build my KR-2 as a single place airplane. I can sit = in the middle with room for armrest and still have good visibility on = both sides. I remember seeing a picture of that KR somewhere but am = unable to find it now. I don't remember who it belonged to but I believe = they called it a KR-1 1/2. Jack Cooper mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/kr2 Fayetteville, NC. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ROBERT COOPER=20 To: kr2cooper=20 Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 11:34 PM Subject: KR! or 2 http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/redoak2002/02092314.jpgFrom kr2cooper@msn.com Thu Jul 03 21:07:34 2003 Received: from bay5-dav101.bay5.hotmail.com ([65.54.173.131] helo=hotmail.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19YHrC-000En3-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 03 Jul 2003 21:07:34 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Jul 2003 21:06:41 -0700 Received: from 67.213.51.75 by bay5-dav101.bay5.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 04 Jul 2003 04:06:40 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.213.51.75] X-Originating-Email: [kr2cooper@msn.com] From: "ROBERT COOPER" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: Subject: Re: KR>Fw: KR 1 or 2 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:56:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:56:52 -0400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2003 04:06:41.0040 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC48B900:01C341E1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ROBERT COOPER=20 To: krnet=20 Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 11:50 PM Subject: KR>Fw: KR 1 or 2 I left the link at the bottom of the page on the first email I sent. I = was afraid some may not find it so here it is again.=20 http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/redoak2002/02092314.jpg I would also agree on building a KR-2 or 2S rather than a 1 and making = the width to suit yourself. Take a look at Richard Shirley's KR-1. This = is truly a beautiful KR and I only have good things to say about it but = look at Richard in it. He appears to be funneled into it. I saw a KR-2 = at Sun-N-Fun I believe in 2001 which was built as a single place and was = impresses with the look of comfort in the cockpit. I was so impressed by = it that I decided to build my KR-2 as a single place airplane. I can sit = in the middle with room for armrest and still have good visibility on = both sides. I remember seeing a picture of that KR somewhere but am = unable to find it now. I don't remember who it belonged to but I believe = they called it a KR-1 1/2. Jack Cooper mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/kr2 Fayetteville, NC. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ROBERT COOPER=20 To: kr2cooper=20 Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 11:34 PM Subject: KR! or 2 see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:51:30 -0500 From: "Edwin Blocher" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Fw: KR 1 or 2 Message-ID: <00a801c341e7$f0ac9980$0201a8c0@computer> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 I could be wrong but isn't Steve Bennets's called a KR1 1/2? ED Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL eblocher@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT COOPER" To: "krnet" Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:50 PM Subject: KR>Fw: KR 1 or 2 x.x. I remember seeing a picture of that KR somewhere but am unable to find it now. I don't remember who it belonged to but I believe they called it a KR-1 1/2. Jack Cooper mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/kr2 Fayetteville, NC. ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT COOPER To: kr2cooper Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 11:34 PM Subject: KR! or 2 http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/redoak2002/02092314.jpg____________________ ___________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 10:49:08 +0200 From: Kogelmann Christian - OS ETA To: 'KR builders and pilots' Subject: RE: KR>Carb fuel pressure Message-ID: <9D054CEF43F1C243A279E5435E9717461DBB88@sviemxs02.gate01.skylines.global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6 Colin, I run 2 Facet pumps (from ACS) parallel because I do not have an engine driven pump.=20 I have one pump running whenever the alternator has output, the other = is additional through a switch in the dashboard. My fuel pressure reads just on 1 psi with standard fuel tank full, and = a little below 1 psi with full tank almost empty, plane level. With one pump I have 5 psi, 2 pumps 5,5 psi. The fuel flow test with 17=B0 nose up showed that the gravity feed is = not producing enough fuel flow.=20 I had to amend my Ops Manual to perform Takeoff and approach/landings = with both pumps on. =20 Another benefit for the use of pumps is that you are less susceptible = for bubbles in the fuel system. A friend crashed his BX-2 (Cherry) 4 weeks ago because of what it looks currently where bubbles in the fuel system. He is ok and will be released from hospital today...... Christian OE-VPD http://www.members.aon.at/oevpd =20 -----Original Message----- From: Colin [mailto:crainey1@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Donnerstag, 03. Juli 2003 17:39 To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Carb fuel pressure Netters, Does anyone know how much fuel pressure to run if adding an electric = fuel pump to a gravity flow setup for takeoffs and climbs, go-around etc... = I have an 1835VW with Ellison carb, gravity flow. I want to add an = electric pump to make sure during initial climbout, and on approach to landing/possible go-around I am protected against fuel starvation. Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!_______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 06:40:41 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Fw: KR 1 or 2 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 From: "Edwin Blocher" >I could be wrong but isn't Steve Bennets's called a KR1 1/2? >ED >Ed Blocher Yes, Steve's current KR is what some call a KR 1.5. It is nothing more than a 2 with a slimmer cockpit. I'm sure he would be willing to talk to a builder concerning the cockpit width. For the "new guy", Steve owns Great Plains which specializes in VW conversions. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 04:08:04 -0700 (PDT) From: David Hartz To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>2-strokes in a KR Message-ID: <20030704110804.26382.qmail@web41313.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 HEY OSCAR MY UNDERSTANDING OF TWO STROKES IS THAT YOU DONT FLY OVER LAND YOU CANT LAND ON. SECOND,FUEL MIXING AND GPH USEAGE,AND TBO SORT OF KILL THE TWO STROKE ADVANTAGE. DAVE HARTZ --- Oscar Zuniga wrote: > Somebody wrote- > > >I am curious to know if anyone has successfully > used a Rotax > >(especially two strokes) on a KR2? > > If you'll look back through the archives, you'll > find that I broached this > subject quite a while back... and got the evil eye > from quite a few Netters. > No problem; as you see, I survived ;o) > > My interest was in applying the 3-cylinder, 90 HP > 2Si unit in the KR. It > would certainly be a lot lighter than even the > lightest VW and would fit (I > looked at it in CAD to verify). Two problems came > to light. One was > fitting the redrive inside the cowl, but that's a > minor issue if the builder > is willing to live with a funny-looking nose cowl. > The second problem was > the same as what Mike Ladigo found with his turbine > installation... if you > use that light an engine, you have to hang it waaaay > out there on the nose > to keep the weight and balance in line. As it is, > using the 1835 VW usually > means mounting it on spool spacers to get it away > from the firewall or else > the CG is too far aft. Using the 2Si 2-stroke would > exaggerate the problem > even more. > > After a bunch of stories about seized engines, > burned pistons, fouled plugs, > high fuel consumption, oil mixing mess, and all the > rest of it- I moved onto > safer ground (4-strokes) and let the issue die. As > they say, "don't kick a > sleeping dog". > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > From: krnet-request@mylist.net > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 82, Issue 1 > Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 12:00:03 -0700 > > Send KRnet mailing list submissions to > krnet@mylist.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > krnet-request@mylist.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > krnet-owner@mylist.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: New Air Foil Questions (Rick Wilson) > 2. Re: New Air Foil Questions (Dan Heath) > 3. Steen Skybolt (Brian Kraut) > 4. KR1 on Ebay (Rick Wilson) > 5. Re: Rotax? (gwvandor) > 6. KR inspection checklist (Brian Kraut) > 7. Re: chemical corrosion coating for 4130 > steel? (Wayne) > << message5.txt >> > << message7.txt >> > << message9.txt >> > << message11.txt >> > << message13.txt >> > << message15.txt >> > << message17.txt >> > _______________________________________________ > See KRnet list details at > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 07:37:34 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Fun Friday pics. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9 Well since it is Friday and I haven't posted any pics recently, as I figured no one wanted to see the right wing built................kinda hope it is a mirror image of the left one....here are some pics for your cullinary delight. Da Box http://rvflying.tripod.com/fuselage1.jpg Da open box, you can see the formed bottom aft fuselage skin http://rvflying.tripod.com/fuselage2.jpg All da paper and cardboard insuring no damage to those presents inside the Christmas package. This is my storage cubby hole where my wings, rudder, elevators, HS, VS and so on are stored out of the way. http://rvflying.tripod.com/fuselage3.jpg All da nice goodies inside, control sticks, rudder pedel assembly, tailwheel, plumbing line, bolts, nuts, brackets, panel, firewall, etc. It's like Christmas in July!! http://rvflying.tripod.com/fuselage4.jpg And after about 5 hours, one firewall ready for disassembly, deburring, priming and riveting. All callouts are on the plans for aux fuel pump mounting, throttle pass throughs, brake line pass throught, etc. http://rvflying.tripod.com/fuselage5.jpg The fuselage is constructed in three parts, the aft, center and forward section then joined together. I hope to spend a good 8 hours on the project today, Sat and Sun. I will finish the firewall today along with completion of the center carry though tomorrow. I plan on completing all buckhead by quitting time on Sunday and hope to start riveting the aft fuselage together by the end of next week. I know this isn't KR, but it is airplane building. After "fabricating" Larry's tanks, I am now back to ol measly assembling now............. As a side note, I emailed with a guy from New Zealand concerning an inexpensive fuel flow instrument. Try, http://www.navman.com/marine/products/power/f41/index.html This is fuel flow metering system that will fit in a two inch instrument panel hole and in precise down to 1.4 gallons per hour. This will allow you to moniter fuel flow along with ground speed and determine you optimum power setting for endurance, max speed fuel comsumption, etc. Nice little tool for optimizing your airplane. BTW..............if you are grilling out today and get the chance...............why not "Cook a Terrorist" along with your hotdogs.......my sources tell me they are best well done........... Dana Overal 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering hostl Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 07:42:26 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: RE: KR>Carb fuel pressure Message-ID: <3F056822.000012.02888@Computer> References: <9D054CEF43F1C243A279E5435E9717461DBB88@sviemxs02.gate01.skylines.global> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 10 Christian,=0D =0D What kind of Carb and engine are you running? =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Friday, July 04, 2003 4:49:24 AM=0D To: 'KR builders and pilots'=0D Subject: RE: KR>Carb fuel pressure=0D =0D Colin,=0D I run 2 Facet pumps (from ACS) parallel because I do not have an engine=0D driven pump.=0D I have one pump running whenever the alternator has output, the other is=0D additional through a switch in the dashboard.=0D My fuel pressure reads just on 1 psi with standard fuel tank full, and a=0D little below 1 psi with full tank almost empty, plane level.=0D With one pump I have 5 psi, 2 pumps 5,5 psi.=0D The fuel flow test with 17=B0 nose up showed that the gravity feed is not= =0D producing enough fuel flow.=0D I had to amend my Ops Manual to perform Takeoff and approach/landings wit= h=0D both pumps on.=0D =0D Another benefit for the use of pumps is that you are less susceptible for= =0D bubbles in the fuel system.=0D A friend crashed his BX-2 (Cherry) 4 weeks ago because of what it looks=0D currently where bubbles in the fuel system.=0D He is ok and will be released from hospital today......=0D =0D Christian=0D OE-VPD=0D http://www.members.aon.at/oevpd=0D =0D =0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: Colin [mailto:crainey1@cfl.rr.com]=0D Sent: Donnerstag, 03. Juli 2003 17:39=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: KR>Carb fuel pressure=0D =0D =0D Netters,=0D Does anyone know how much fuel pressure to run if adding an electric fuel= =0D pump to a gravity flow setup for takeoffs and climbs, go-around etc... I=0D have an 1835VW with Ellison carb, gravity flow. I want to add an electric= =0D pump to make sure during initial climbout, and on approach to=0D landing/possible go-around I am protected against fuel starvation.=0D Colin Rainey KR2(td)=0D crainey1@cfl.rr.com=0D Sanford, Florida=0D FLY SAFE!!!!_______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom christian.kogelmann@aua.com Fri Jul 04 04:45:32 2003 Received: from [193.154.227.2] (helo=s0037928.vie.aua.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19YP0O-000H0n-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 04 Jul 2003 04:45:32 -0700 Received: by s0037928.vie.aua.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3G2XB0HJ>; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:44:38 +0200 Message-ID: <9D054CEF43F1C243A279E5435E971746CCA0A4@sviemxs02.gate01.skylines.global> From: Kogelmann Christian - OS ETA To: 'KR builders and pilots' Subject: RE: KR>Carb fuel pressure Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 13:44:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Sorry forgot to mention: GPAS VW 2180 with Ellison (I think) EFS-2. Cheers Christian -----Original Message----- From: Dan Heath [mailto:DanRH@AllTel.net] Sent: Freitag, 04. Juli 2003 13:42 To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: RE: KR>Carb fuel pressure Christian, What kind of Carb and engine are you running?=20 =20 N64KR =20 Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC =20 DanRH@KR-Builder.org =20 See you in Red Oak - 2003 =20 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org =20 -------Original Message------- =20 From: KR builders and pilots Date: Friday, July 04, 2003 4:49:24 AM To: 'KR builders and pilots' Subject: RE: KR>Carb fuel pressure =20 Colin, I run 2 Facet pumps (from ACS) parallel because I do not have an engine driven pump. I have one pump running whenever the alternator has output, the other = is additional through a switch in the dashboard. My fuel pressure reads just on 1 psi with standard fuel tank full, and = a little below 1 psi with full tank almost empty, plane level. With one pump I have 5 psi, 2 pumps 5,5 psi. The fuel flow test with 17=B0 nose up showed that the gravity feed is = not producing enough fuel flow. I had to amend my Ops Manual to perform Takeoff and approach/landings = with both pumps on. =20 Another benefit for the use of pumps is that you are less susceptible = for bubbles in the fuel system. A friend crashed his BX-2 (Cherry) 4 weeks ago because of what it looks currently where bubbles in the fuel system. He is ok and will be released from hospital today...... =20 Christian OE-VPD http://www.members.aon.at/oevpd =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Colin [mailto:crainey1@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Donnerstag, 03. Juli 2003 17:39 To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Carb fuel pressure =20 =20 Netters, Does anyone know how much fuel pressure to run if adding an electric = fuel pump to a gravity flow setup for takeoffs and climbs, go-around etc... = I have an 1835VW with Ellison carb, gravity flow. I want to add an = electric pump to make sure during initial climbout, and on approach to landing/possible go-around I am protected against fuel starvation. Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!_______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html =20 _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ._______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 07:54:50 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Fw: KR 1 or 2 Message-ID: <3F056B0A.000014.02888@Computer> References: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 11 RE: I remember seeing a picture of that KR somewhere but am unable to fin= d it now. I don't remember who it belonged to but I believe they called it = a KR-1 1/2.=0D =0D Come to the gathering if you are interested in the KR 1 1/2. Red Oak is right in Steve's country and I'll bet it will be there as that is Steve Benetts KR 1.5=0D =0D Speaking of Red Oak, Jerry, Bob Lee and I will be arriving on Thursday vi= a Big Jet, and are staying at the Red Coach, if anyone wants to stay up lat= e and tell fish stories. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From engalt@earthlink.net Fri Jul 04 05:58:45 2003 Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.123]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19YQ9F-000HNb-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 04 Jul 2003 05:58:45 -0700 Received: from sdn-ap-033scfairp0125.dialsprint.net ([168.192.56.125] helo=earthlink.net) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19YQ8O-0006H2-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 04 Jul 2003 05:57:52 -0700 Message-ID: <3F057AA6.6010806@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 09:01:26 -0400 From: Brian Kraut User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: krnet@mylist.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: KR>Synchro alternator X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: engalt@earthlink.net, KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I got my alternator hooked up yesterday and noticed that my meter showed a little over 14 volts and it was still charging at 5 amps. I looked at the information I have on the alternator and regulator and it shows that voltage should be between 14.2 and 14.8 volts at 1,800 RPM. That seems excessive to me. I was expecting from 13.5 to 13.8. I am going to put my digital meter on it and get some better readings later today. The higher voltage might be O.K. on the engine starting battery of an Onan generator (the original application for the Synchro alternator), but I think it is too high for my motorcycle battery and all my electronics. Anyone care to comment on their experience and voltage levels with this alternator. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 15:17:51 +0200 From: Kogelmann Christian - OS ETA To: "'engalt@earthlink.net'" , 'KR builders and pilots' Subject: RE: KR>Synchro alternator Message-ID: <9D054CEF43F1C243A279E5435E971746CCA0A8@sviemxs02.gate01.skylines.global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12 Brian, I have the GPAS Engine&Alternator and I have just complete my yearly inspection with an engine run 2 days ago. My alternator values were 13,5V, 2A at 2000RPM (Using a dual V/A gage from Westach) Christian OE-VPD http://www.members.aon.at/oevpd -----Original Message----- From: Brian Kraut [mailto:engalt@earthlink.net] Sent: Freitag, 04. Juli 2003 15:01 To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Synchro alternator I got my alternator hooked up yesterday and noticed that my meter showed a little over 14 volts and it was still charging at 5 amps. I looked at the information I have on the alternator and regulator and it shows that voltage should be between 14.2 and 14.8 volts at 1,800 RPM. That seems excessive to me. I was expecting from 13.5 to 13.8. I am going to put my digital meter on it and get some better readings later today. The higher voltage might be O.K. on the engine starting battery of an Onan generator (the original application for the Synchro alternator), but I think it is too high for my motorcycle battery and all my electronics. Anyone care to comment on their experience and voltage levels with this alternator. _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 09:23:49 -0400 From: "ace nunye" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>RE: 2 strokes Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13 Everybody is entitled an opinioin so here is mine. If i were to consider using a 2 stroke on an aircraft i would look to the marine engine because those are designed from the very start to operate at high power settings for long durations. As far as the oil mixing goes I think anyone that has owned our operated a "modern" outboard engine would know how well that issue has been handled, the new variable rate injections systems have that solved. I owned an OMC 100 hp V-4 and I NEVER fouled a plug EVER, the operating rage was a bit high, optimum high idle speed was 5500 rpm so a psru would be in order. I think the biggest problem would be weight but I dont know how much one could cut the weight, but, the point is an outboard is designed to operate under full load for extended periods where most automotive engines are not, and todays 2 cycle engines with oil variable rate oil inj systems are extremely reliable. I guess its all a matter of weight and choice. Even tho I have so many good things to say about the 2 strokes guess what I'm using an O-200 , go figure..... I just want to get it in the air. Happy and safe building all! _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps [1]ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. References 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMCENCA/2743??PS= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 08:58:03 -0500 From: "Robert Stone" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>RE: 2 strokes Message-ID: <000401c34234$4a224b80$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1257" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 Netters' What Ace says makes a lot of sense to me and the makers of kit helicopters must think so too because so many of them recommend the use of a high HP outboard. I have never agreed that any engine designed for surface vehicles is all that safe in an aircraft but for those who just cannot afford to use an aircraft engine like continental, or Lycoming an out board motor would be the best alternative. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "ace nunye" To: Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 8:23 AM Subject: KR>RE: 2 strokes > > Everybody is entitled an opinioin so here is mine. If i were to > consider using a 2 stroke on an aircraft i would look to the marine > engine because those are designed from the very start to operate at > high power settings for long durations. As far as the oil mixing goes > I think anyone that has owned our operated a "modern" outboard engine > would know how well that issue has been handled, the new variable rate > injections systems have that solved. I owned an OMC 100 hp V-4 and I > NEVER fouled a plug EVER, the operating rage was a bit high, optimum > high idle speed was 5500 rpm so a psru would be in order. I think the > biggest problem would be weight but I dont know how much one could cut > the weight, but, the point is an outboard is designed to operate under > full load for extended periods where most automotive engines are not, > and todays 2 cycle engines with oil variable rate oil inj systems are > extremely reliable. I guess its all a matter of weight and choice. > Even tho I have so many good things to say about the 2 strokes guess > what I'm using an > O-200 , go figure..... I just want to get it in the air. > > Happy and safe building all! > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8 helps [1]ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. > > References > > 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMCENCA/2743??PS= > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 10:38:58 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>RE: 2 strokes Message-ID: <3F059182.000020.02888@Computer> References: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 15 The thing about marine engines is that they are designed to be cooled by water, and lots of it. Would that not be a problem for aircraft use? =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Friday, July 04, 2003 9:24:07 AM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: KR>RE: 2 strokes=0D =0D Everybody is entitled an opinioin so here is mine. If i were to=0D consider using a 2 stroke on an aircraft i would look to the marine=0D engine because those are designed from the very start to operate at=0D high power settings for long durations. As far as the oil mixing goes= =0D I think anyone that has owned our operated a "modern" outboard engine= =0D would know how well that issue has been handled, the new variable rat= e=0D injections systems have that solved. I owned an OMC 100 hp V-4 and I=0D NEVER fouled a plug EVER, the operating rage was a bit high, optimum=0D high idle speed was 5500 rpm so a psru would be in order. I think the= =0D biggest problem would be weight but I dont know how much one could cu= t=0D the weight, but, the point is an outboard is designed to operate unde= r=0D full load for extended periods where most automotive engines are not,= =0D and todays 2 cycle engines with oil variable rate oil inj systems are= =0D extremely reliable. I guess its all a matter of weight and choice.=0D Even tho I have so many good things to say about the 2 strokes guess=0D what I'm using an=0D O-200 , go figure..... I just want to get it in the air.=0D =0D Happy and safe building all!=0D _________________________________________________________________=0D =0D MSN 8 helps [1]ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*.=0D =0D References=0D =0D 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMCENCA/2743??PS=3D=0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom JEHayward@aol.com Fri Jul 04 08:15:46 2003 Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.38]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19YSHq-000Iep-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 04 Jul 2003 08:15:46 -0700 Received: from JEHayward@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id g.9c.33151f78 (657) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2003 11:14:51 -0400 (EDT) From: JEHayward@aol.com Message-ID: <9c.33151f78.2c36f3ea@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 11:14:50 EDT Subject: Re: KR>RE: 2 strokes To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: In a message dated 7/4/03 8:00:46 AM Mountain Daylight Time, rstone4@hot.rr.com writes: << I have never agreed that any engine designed for surface vehicles is all that safe in an aircraft but for those who just cannot afford to use an aircraft engine like continental, or Lycoming an out board motor would be the best alternative. >> FWIW... Rotax makes a very good line of 2-stroke engines designed for aircraft use. Most of the ultralights use their engines. My wife and I flew our Challenger II from western SD to OSH last year... nary a burp out of the Rotax 503. That being said, most of us would prefer to use a 4-stroke but with weight being a big consideration, we go with the 2-strokes. I have also surprised myself at how comfortable I've become flying ahead of my Rotax (it's a pusher) over the past 3 years and 362 hours. :-) Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 86, Issue 1 ************************************