From: To: Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 93, Issue 1 Date: Friday, July 11, 2003 7:47 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: Re: KR>KR2 Ailerons (Brian Kraut) 2. Re: Buying a Project? (Brian Kraut) 3. floxing nut plates (larry flesner) 4. ballistic chute (WILLIAM HUNTLEY) 5. Re: Buying a Project? (larry severson) 6. Kr builder list 7. My KR2S (Justin) 8. Re: My KR2S (Justin) 9. Fw: (Gavin Donohoe) 10. Fw: KR>Buying a Project? (Norm) 11. Fun Friday.....Don't look Ethal!! (Dana Overall) 12. RE: Kr builder list (G Force) 13. RE: Kr builder list (G Force) 14. Re: Fun Friday.....Don't look Ethal!! (Dana Overall) 15. Re: Fun Friday.....Don't look Ethal!! (Timothy Bellville) 16. Re: Fun Friday.....Don't look Ethal!! (Robert Cooper) 17. Re: Fun Friday.....Don't look Ethal!! (Dana Overall) 18. Re: Buying a Project? (gleone) 19. KR LIST ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:16:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Kraut To: Timothy Bellville Cc: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: Re: Re: KR>KR2 Ailerons Message-ID: <2417400.1057874977409.JavaMail.nobody@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 You can use nylocks, but you need to flox them to the back of the spar. It is a lot easier to flox on a nut plate than it is with just a nut. I used the MF5000-3 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/anchornuts.php nuts from Aircraft spruce. They are self locking and plenty strong. I would have loved to use something like a T nut, but I don't know of any that are aircraft quality. I drilled through the hinges and the spar with a drill bit that was undersized enough so I could tap the screws right into the wood and keep everything aligned while I did all the holes. After the holes were all drilled I used a larger bit to drill the spar holes the correct clearance size. I used short screws with some washers under the heads to just catch the first few threads of the nutplates (So I wouldn't hit the deformed self locking portion of the nutplate and loosen them up when the temporary screws were taken out. You can reuse nylon lock nuts a few times, but all metal lock nuts are only supposed to be used once.) and used thick flox being carefull not to get any in the threads. I also countersunk the hinge and used flat head screws. The hinges I took off had pan head screws with a hole drilled in the opposite half of the hinge to clear the screw heads. If you countersink the hinges make sure that the screw head is not sunk completely into the hinge material. I left mine sticking out about .020". That left more meat on the hinge for the screw to hold down and still gave me full down travel on the ailerons without the screw heads hitting. I originally had three hinge pieces about a foot long each. I replaced them with a continuous hinge per the plans. Some people say to use one long hinge. Some say to use separate pieces so if the wing flexes and bends the hinge it won't bind. I am copying this to the list so that other people can disagree with any of my methods. Aileron hinge attachment is enough of a safety issue that you should have more than one opinion. -------Original Message------- From: Timothy Bellville Sent: 07/09/03 08:32 PM To: Brian Kraut Subject: Re: Re: KR>KR2 Ailerons > > Well ,just my luck, he did pop rivet the hinges to the WOOD spar, It was meant to be a temporary installation for alignment then install the nuts later. Do I have to use nut plates or can I use nylocks? Thanks Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KR builders and pilots" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Re: KR>KR2 Ailerons > I had to tear into mine recently to add some nut plates. I used a small cutting wheel on the dremel to cut out about a 1.5" X 1" rectangle just forward of the spar. You can dig out the foam and see what you have and flox in new nut plates if you need to. Repairs are fairly easy. Just stuff in a chunk of foam, sand down to the glass a couple of inches around the hole, and put on two plies of glass. I didn't even need any filler, just five or six coats of smooth prime and some sanding. > > -------Original Message------- > From: Timothy Bellville > Sent: 07/08/03 10:18 PM > To: KR builders and pilots > Subject: Re: KR>KR2 Ailerons > > > > > Thanks Rick, > looks like I'm tearing in to these wings! > I don't know what is under the glass, I hope he didn't put them in to the > wood spar. > I was actually hoping he glassed over some alum. > I have a call in to him for some answers. > Thanks again. > Tim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Wilson" > To: "KR builders and pilots" > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 7:01 AM > Subject: Re: KR>KR2 Ailerons > > > > Tim, The plans call for nuts to be floxed to the back > > side of the spar and then screws put through the spar > > and screwed into the nuts. Same on the aileron spar. > > Hope this helps. Rick Wilson. > > --- Timothy Bellville > > wrote: > > > Help Guys, > > > I made a horrible discovery today, and I need some > > > help. On doing an inspection of the wing outer > > > panels, I discovered that the original builder had > > > used SS rivets to mount the piano hinges to the > > > spars, and one came loose! > > > > > > I scanned the plans but could not find anything > > > about the installation of the aileron, just the > > > control horn . > > > What kind of fastener should be used? and how many? > > > Could someone please go in to detail about this most > > > critical assembly. > > > I have spent a great deal of time finishing this > > > little bird, and hopefully this is no big deal. > > > At this point, I thought The wings were complete, > > > ready for paint. > > > Thanks > > > Tim Bellville > > > KR2 > > > N7038V > > > Toledo ,Ohio > > > _______________________________________________ > > > see KRnet list details at > > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > ===== > > Rick Wilson, Haleyville, Alabama KR2-0200A -99% rwdw2002@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:20:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Buying a Project? Message-ID: <5784655.1057875222966.JavaMail.nobody@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 One observation. You may think that the plane is more than 50% done, but the last 10% of the work takes 90% of the time. I did some mods to a flying KR that I expected would take three months. Over a year later I have a month to go and have probably put more time into it than the original builder! -------Original Message------- From: Aggie lewanda Sent: 07/09/03 11:48 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Buying a Project? > > Netters, I have been offered a partially completed KR-2S at a decent price. The former builder appeared to do excellent work, kept a great builders log etc. Buying this project will save me a couple of years of building and a lot of dollars. That can mean the difference between owning plans, lurking on the net; and, actually building an aircraft. So far, buying the project looks like a proverbial "no brainer". However, I have two questions. First, the FAA requirement that an aircraft in the experimental category be 51% or more amateur built. Does that mean the first owner and I together built over 51% or do I have to build 51% by myself? My guess is that this project is already considerably more than 51% finished. Assuming I get around the 51%, I have a bigger question. The builder decided to make a radical modification to the original KR plans. He built a tandem seating arrangement. What will this do to weight & balance? His design was for a Subaru engine. Mine will be a Corvair. Does anyone have any thoughts on the tandem seating arrangement? Is this a minor inconvenience of having your passenger in the back seat? Or, will this bird handle differently in the air? I am a low time student pilot. I need to make a decision soon because the person offering the project has waited patiently while I got the money together. Now, I really need to make a commitment or else give this person the courtesy of telling them I must pass. I really want to build a bird and the price is decent. However, I would have never considered a tandem seating arrangement. Any advice will be appreciated. Feel free to contact me privately at agate12@yahoo.com and I will even be glad to call you on my nickle to discuss it over the phone. Thanks, Dean Allen Plans, workbench, tools but no airplane or even airplane sounds yet in my corner of South Carolina. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:37:51 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>floxing nut plates Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030710173751.00833670@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <2417400.1057874977409.JavaMail.nobody@waldorf.psp.pas.eart hlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 and used thick flox being carefull not to get any in the threads. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Getting epoxy/flox in the threads of a nut plate can make for a bad day as you try to remove the epoxy with a bolt or thread cutter. A trick that worked for me when floxing nuts and nut plates was to use nylon bolts of the same size as the metal bolts intended for final assembly and screw them into the nuts/nut plates until the epoxy cured. This keeps the threads clean and the epoxy won"t stick to the nylon. Simply remove the nylon bolt and install the steel one. This also helps to hold the buried nut or nut plate in correct position during curing. Your results may vary. :-) I spent the afternoon installing my ELT and remote switch. I'm coming down the home stretch headed for the paint booth!! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:57:38 -0700 From: "WILLIAM HUNTLEY" To: Subject: KR>ballistic chute Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4 I have a BRS chute with KR mounting kit . $3000.00 value for $1300.00. Still in its box. I switched to Glastar Bill Huntley 906-864-0347From rahuman@ev1.net Thu Jul 10 19:17:30 2003 Received: from smtpout.ev1.net ([207.44.129.133]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19anTW-000O4q-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:17:30 -0700 Received: from desktop [207.218.210.218] by smtpout.ev1.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id AF21BB4800CA; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:21:21 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c34752$c688f2a0$dad2dacf@desktop> From: "Rick Human" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <3.0.6.32.20030710173751.00833670@pop.midwest.net> Subject: Re: KR>floxing nut plates Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:18:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Another trick is to take your soldering iron and heat the head of the steel machine screw that you think may have epoxy in the threads - doesn't take a lot of heat to soften the epoxy enough to allow the screw to back out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 5:37 PM Subject: KR>floxing nut plates > > and used thick flox being carefull not to get any in the threads. > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > Getting epoxy/flox in the threads of a nut plate can make for > a bad day as you try to remove the epoxy with a bolt or > thread cutter. A trick that worked for me when floxing nuts > and nut plates was to use nylon bolts of the same size as > the metal bolts intended for final assembly and screw them > into the nuts/nut plates until the epoxy cured. This keeps > the threads clean and the epoxy won"t stick to the nylon. > Simply remove the nylon bolt and install the steel one. > > This also helps to hold the buried nut or nut plate in correct > position during curing. Your results may vary. :-) > > I spent the afternoon installing my ELT and remote switch. > I'm coming down the home stretch headed for the paint booth!! > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:44:15 -0700 From: larry severson To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Buying a Project? Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030710203704.00b6f700@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <20030710034817.17579.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> References: <002a01c339f8$8425faa0$41ff28d8@desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5 >Assuming I get around the 51%, I have a bigger question. >The builder decided to make a radical modification to the >original KR plans. He built a tandem seating arrangement. >What will this do to weight & balance? His design was for a >Subaru engine. Mine will be a Corvair. A tandem KR2 is going to have a real W/B problem, if there is a passenger. The plane is too short coupled for that much weight aft, unless the engine is moved significantly forward. In that case, you have other problems when ever you get into a slip or yaw condition, plus you also will have to ballast for the missing passenger. The seller must have discovered this too late. There are other KR2s available that are partially completed that are good buys. In fact, partially completed planes are usually less than the cost of the materials being sold. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 01:36:09 EDT From: Kr2sN506KR@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Kr builder list Message-ID: <9.1524e791.2c3fa6c9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 The other day I posted something about make a builder location list but I forgot to put something in the subject matter. So here it is again. So I was thinking about putting together a list with names, location, type project, and email address on my web site so that other builders can find each other easily. I know in the past there was a guy that had such a list and he would mail you a copy of local builders but I haven't heard of anything like that in a while. If you are interested please email me your info, i.e. name, location, type project, and of course you email address to; Kr2sN506KR@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:46:16 -0500 From: "Justin" To: Subject: KR>My KR2S Message-ID: <000e01c3476f$bf0c1d50$61d91818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 Here is a link to my website. I just bought a digital camera and took a = few pictures of my project with it. I had a bad experience with a normal = camera, the film place LOST my film which included all of my = construction photo's on it so this digital camera will prevent that. Justin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 00:46:46 -0500 From: "Justin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S Message-ID: <001d01c3476f$d0e69460$61d91818@computer> References: <000e01c3476f$bf0c1d50$61d91818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 http://www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/kr2s.html Forgot the link ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin" To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:46 AM Subject: KR>My KR2S Here is a link to my website. I just bought a digital camera and took a few pictures of my project with it. I had a bad experience with a normal camera, the film place LOST my film which included all of my construction photo's on it so this digital camera will prevent that. Justin _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:19:44 +1000 From: "Gavin Donohoe" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Fw: Message-ID: <006d01c3478d$917aa280$c94d8690@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 Hi Justin , Now I haven't even started my project so this may seem a bit = hypocritical, but have you varnished the entire frame of your boat ???? = Because if you have how do you expect to get a good bond between your = frame and the ply??? or does the glue not rely on penetration as I was = led to believe?? Gavin =20 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.497 / Virus Database: 296 - Release Date: 7/4/03From flykr2s@wi.rr.com Fri Jul 11 04:15:33 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com ([24.94.166.122]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19avsD-0000qk-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 04:15:33 -0700 Received: from mark (CPE-65-31-92-201.wi.rr.com [65.31.92.201]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with SMTP id h6BBEuar004698 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 06:14:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001101c3479e$392a8a80$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <000e01c3476f$bf0c1d50$61d91818@computer> <001d01c3476f$d0e69460$61d91818@computer> Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 06:18:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Justin. In the photo of your boat you state you are varnishing the wood. Do not varnish it until you have skinned it, and completed the plywood gussets around the main spar, added your rear bulkhead, etc. If you do, you will not get a good bond between the frame and skins. You are going to have to do a lot of sanding to get back to bare wood to skin the frame. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:46 AM Subject: Re: KR>My KR2S > http://www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/kr2s.html > > Forgot the link > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:46 AM > Subject: KR>My KR2S > > > Here is a link to my website. I just bought a digital camera and took a few > pictures of my project with it. I had a bad experience with a normal camera, > the film place LOST my film which included all of my construction photo's on > it so this digital camera will prevent that. > > Justin > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 07:17:03 -0700 From: "Norm" To: "Krnet" Subject: Fw: KR>Buying a Project? Message-ID: <000b01c347b7$19f85c00$92693f04@dslverizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 Just some thoughts for a tandem KR: Perhaps moving the battery from firewall to aft position, when not flying a passenger, would work. Also, maybe using an arrangement like the Buddy Great Lakes would help to solve the CG situation. Probably worth considering. Norm Seel Brandon, FL norman.seel@verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry severson" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 8:44 PM Subject: Re: KR>Buying a Project? > > >Assuming I get around the 51%, I have a bigger question. > >The builder decided to make a radical modification to the > >original KR plans. He built a tandem seating arrangement. > >What will this do to weight & balance? His design was for a > >Subaru engine. Mine will be a Corvair. > > A tandem KR2 is going to have a real W/B problem, if there is a passenger. > The plane is too short coupled for that much weight aft, unless the engine > is moved significantly forward. In that case, you have other problems when > ever you get into a slip or yaw condition, plus you also will have to > ballast for the missing passenger. The seller must have discovered this too > late. > > There are other KR2s available that are partially completed that are good > buys. In fact, partially completed planes are usually less than the cost of > the materials being sold. > > > Larry Severson > Fountain Valley, CA 92708 > (714) 968-9852 > larry2@socal.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 07:38:13 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Fun Friday.....Don't look Ethal!! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 I'm sending this again, as I don't think it went the first time. Sorry if it post twice. Well, here we go again:-) My fuselage kit arrived on July 2nd. at 4:30PM to be exact. I put in about 1/2 day Weds. evening, 1/2 Thursday and all day Friday, Sat. & Sun. (I was bachin it). This week, I didn't try and drum up anymore than the nessessary work in my CPA practice, I was also able to put in a good 6-7 hours a day and evening together. I am on the coaching staff of a high school football team and practice start Monday, so I wanted to get as much done as I could. Anyway, for your viewing pleasure. The aft fuselage is square and final drilled. All buckheads up to the spar attachment section are primed at their overlap points and final riveted. The center section is just clecoed together. This is the portion that shows the seat floor ribs and baggage compartment floor ribs. The gray square buldhead is the seat back bulkhead. I will detach the center section from the aft section this weekend and disassemble the aft fuselage for deburring and dimpling for the flush rivets and then priming. The center section will remain together for final drilling. I now have the seat floors and baggage compartment floors clecoed in the center section for added rigidity when I flip the center section over for final drilling. These pics were taken before lunch yesterday. So, you are looking at 8 days of work. As you can see, I also had to redo my shop into the fuselage construction setup. http://rvflying.tripod.com/fuselage9.jpg You start from the spar center section and build back these last bulkhead, where the HS and VS attach. As you assemble the fuselage, you start back here and build forward. It was very, very cool for me to put this part of the airplane together. http://rvflying.tripod.com/fuselage10.jpg Anyway, after I took the above pics before lunch yesterday, I kept sneaking out of the office back to the shop so that I could complete these. Believe it or not, it took a little time to fabricate the two angles of the side of each pedal, countersink, deburr and rivet the pedals together then get the throw just right so both pedals sat neutral. http://rvflying.tripod.com/fuselage11.jpg Anyway, it sure is fun to open the shop door and see this big ol thing sitting there. As a note, I have had to fabricate more little parts so far than I had to in the entire emp. and wings together. Can I call myself a measely little tiny bit airplane builder?? How he sells this whole thing including all hardware, brakes, tailwheel, fittings, canopy, rivet, nut bolt and every little fitting you can imagine for 17.9 I'll never know. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 06:49:35 -0500 From: "G Force" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>Kr builder list Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9.1524e791.2c3fa6c9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 After setting on the plans for 6 years I'm finally getting around to starting work on the KR2. I have a site at www.54systems.com where I created an open aviation forum. Just go to the site, click on the link to Flighlog 54. Then register and you can user the Q and A forum. THIS IS NOT AN AD! The Forum and Flighlog 54 are a FREE service. This is my commercial site but I'm trying to sell you anything. G Force -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Kr2sN506KR@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:36 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Kr builder list The other day I posted something about make a builder location list but I forgot to put something in the subject matter. So here it is again. So I was thinking about putting together a list with names, location, type project, and email address on my web site so that other builders can find each other easily. I know in the past there was a guy that had such a list and he would mail you a copy of local builders but I haven't heard of anything like that in a while. If you are interested please email me your info, i.e. name, location, type project, and of course you email address to; Kr2sN506KR@aol.com _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 06:54:38 -0500 From: "G Force" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>Kr builder list Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 It's too early in the morning and I can't type. I meant to say on the last email that " I'm NOT trying to sell in produce or service." It's something you may get some user out of. Going to get more coffee! G Force -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+gforce52=charter.net@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+gforce52=charter.net@mylist.net]On Behalf Of G Force Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 6:50 AM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: RE: KR>Kr builder list After setting on the plans for 6 years I'm finally getting around to starting work on the KR2. I have a site at www.54systems.com where I created an open aviation forum. Just go to the site, click on the link to Flighlog 54. Then register and you can user the Q and A forum. THIS IS NOT AN AD! The Forum and Flighlog 54 are a FREE service. This is my commercial site but I'm trying to sell you anything. G Force -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Kr2sN506KR@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:36 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Kr builder list The other day I posted something about make a builder location list but I forgot to put something in the subject matter. So here it is again. So I was thinking about putting together a list with names, location, type project, and email address on my web site so that other builders can find each other easily. I know in the past there was a guy that had such a list and he would mail you a copy of local builders but I haven't heard of anything like that in a while. If you are interested please email me your info, i.e. name, location, type project, and of course you email address to; Kr2sN506KR@aol.com _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:05:01 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Fun Friday.....Don't look Ethal!! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14 BTW, I am not installing brakes on the passenger side I don't want the passenger, when I jockey it all over the runway with the tailwheel, to decide to take matters in his/her own hands and slam on the brakes;) Tipping it up is for me, and only me, to do!! Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:26:58 -0400 From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Fun Friday.....Don't look Ethal!! Message-ID: <009201c347a7$b9a5d7b0$2b5f570c@donnas> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 You are a very wise man! But I would have to keep my wife's feet off of the rudder peddles as well Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 8:05 AM Subject: Re: KR>Fun Friday.....Don't look Ethal!! > BTW, I am not installing brakes on the passenger side I don't want the > passenger, when I jockey it all over the runway with the tailwheel, to > decide to take matters in his/her own hands and slam on the brakes;) > Tipping it up is for me, and only me, to do!! > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider/fuselage > Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:34:54 +0000 From: "Robert Cooper" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Fun Friday.....Don't look Ethal!! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 16 Dana I still think youwill be flying before Mark L.. Come on Mark. Finish that KR and fly to the gathering. Jack Cooper mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/kr2 Fayetteville, NC. >From: "Dana Overall" >Reply-To: KR builders and pilots >To: krnet@mylist.net >Subject: KR>Fun Friday.....Don't look Ethal!! >Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 07:38:13 -0400 > >I'm sending this again, as I don't think it went the first time. Sorry if >it post twice. > >Well, here we go again:-) My fuselage kit arrived on July 2nd. at 4:30PM >to be exact. I put in about 1/2 day Weds. evening, 1/2 Thursday and all >day Friday, Sat. & Sun. (I was bachin it). This week, I didn't try and >drum up anymore than the nessessary work in my CPA practice, I was also >able to put in a good 6-7 hours a day and evening together. I am on the >coaching staff of a high school football team and practice start Monday, so >I wanted to get as much done as I could. Anyway, for your viewing >pleasure. > >The aft fuselage is square and final drilled. All buckheads up to the spar >attachment section are primed at their overlap points and final riveted. >The center section is just clecoed together. This is the portion that >shows the seat floor ribs and baggage compartment floor ribs. The gray >square buldhead is the seat back bulkhead. I will detach the center >section from the aft section this weekend and disassemble the aft fuselage >for deburring and dimpling for the flush rivets and then priming. The >center section will remain together for final drilling. I now have the >seat floors and baggage compartment floors clecoed in the center section >for added rigidity when I flip the center section over for final drilling. >These pics were taken before lunch yesterday. So, you are looking at 8 >days of work. As you can see, I also had to redo my shop into the fuselage >construction setup. > >http://rvflying.tripod.com/fuselage9.jpg > >You start from the spar center section and build back these last bulkhead, >where the HS and VS attach. As you assemble the fuselage, you start back >here and build forward. It was very, very cool for me to put this part of >the airplane together. > >http://rvflying.tripod.com/fuselage10.jpg > >Anyway, after I took the above pics before lunch yesterday, I kept sneaking >out of the office back to the shop so that I could complete these. Believe >it or not, it took a little time to fabricate the two angles of the side of >each pedal, countersink, deburr and rivet the pedals together then get the >throw just right so both pedals sat neutral. > > >http://rvflying.tripod.com/fuselage11.jpg > >Anyway, it sure is fun to open the shop door and see this big ol thing >sitting there. As a note, I have had to fabricate more little parts so far >than I had to in the entire emp. and wings together. Can I call myself a >measely little tiny bit airplane builder?? > >How he sells this whole thing including all hardware, brakes, tailwheel, >fittings, canopy, rivet, nut bolt and every little fitting you can imagine >for 17.9 I'll never know. > > >Dana Overall >1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host >Richmond, KY >RV-7 slider/fuselage >Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments >http://rvflying.tripod.com >do not archive > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 08:44:57 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Fun Friday.....Don't look Ethal!! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 17 Well now that wasn't very nice:). For those who have not visited Mark here lately, he is very close. Mine will fly in 2004 and I'm certain Mark's will also. Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: "Robert Cooper" >Reply-To: KR builders and pilots >To: krnet@mylist.net >Subject: Re: KR>Fun Friday.....Don't look Ethal!! >Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:34:54 +0000 > >Dana >I still think youwill be flying before Mark L.. Come on Mark. Finish that >KR and fly to the gathering. > > > >Jack Cooper >mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com >http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/kr2 >Fayetteville, NC. > > > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 07:13:38 -0600 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" To: Subject: Re: KR>Buying a Project? Message-ID: <3F0EB802.000009.02840@DDMWDD11> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030710203704.00b6f700@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 18 The obvious solution here is build it as a single place. =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Thursday, July 10, 2003 9:45:37 PM=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: Re: KR>Buying a Project?=0D =0D >Assuming I get around the 51%, I have a bigger question.=0D >The builder decided to make a radical modification to the=0D >original KR plans. He built a tandem seating arrangement.=0D >What will this do to weight & balance? His design was for a=0D >Subaru engine. Mine will be a Corvair.=0D =0D A tandem KR2 is going to have a real W/B problem, if there is a passenger= =2E=0D The plane is too short coupled for that much weight aft, unless the engin= e=0D is moved significantly forward. In that case, you have other problems whe= n=0D ever you get into a slip or yaw condition, plus you also will have to=0D ballast for the missing passenger. The seller must have discovered this t= oo=0D late.=0D =0D There are other KR2s available that are partially completed that are good= =0D buys. In fact, partially completed planes are usually less than the cost = of=0D the materials being sold.=0D =0D =0D Larry Severson=0D Fountain Valley, CA 92708=0D (714) 968-9852=0D larry2@socal.rr.com=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =2E ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:41:27 EDT From: WA7YXF@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>KR LIST Message-ID: <1cd.d84ee7a.2c402697@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 please email me your info, i.e. name, location, type project, and of course you email address to; Kr2sN506KR@aol.com More than once Kr2sN506KR@aol.com Has asked for this information without identifying himself . N506KR is not a registered "N" number. Kr2sN506KR@aol.com is not listed in the AOL Member directory. Kr2sN506KR@aol.com AOL Member Profile is also blank. Lynn Hyder N37LH ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 93, Issue 1 ************************************