From: To: Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 100, Issue 1 Date: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:02 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Building a KR2(S) as a UK microlight. (Architectural Engineering LTD) 2. RE: Building a KR2(S) as a UK microlight. (Ron Freiberger) 3. Re: Building a KR2(S) as a UK microlight. (Phil Spurr) 4. Re: Building a KR2(S) as a UK microlight. (Dan Heath) 5. Re: Kr builder list (bill kirkland) 6. Re: Building a KR2(S) as a UK microlight. 7. Re: KR2 Project 8. Replacement Canopy (Jim Morehead) 9. Re: Replacement Canopy (Todd Servaes) 10. RE: Building a KR2(S) as a UK microlight. (Architectural Engineering LTD) 11. Re: Replacement Canopy (Dan Heath) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:08:01 -0000 From: "Architectural Engineering LTD" To: Subject: KR>Building a KR2(S) as a UK microlight. Message-ID: <001201c2d3a3$fdf4bd00$f20b3cc3@LocalHost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 Hi, Does anyone know if a KR2 or a KR2S could be built within the CAA=92s microlight definition (basically MAUW 450Kg or less (990lb) and [a stall speed of 32 Statute mph] or [a max wing loading of 25Kg/m2 ( 5.11lb/ft2)]? Changing to a smaller or 2-stroke engine would be OK. Cheers, Tim Walker. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/2003 =20 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:12:36 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>Building a KR2(S) as a UK microlight. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201c2d3a3$fdf4bd00$f20b3cc3@LocalHost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 I think the stall speed you propose would be very difficult to achieve. The current wing area spec is a bit optimistic. And includes the fuselage, which is a little bit of a stretch for 100% effectiveness. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Architectural Engineering LTD Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 4:08 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Building a KR2(S) as a UK microlight. Hi, Does anyone know if a KR2 or a KR2S could be built within the CAA's microlight definition (basically MAUW 450Kg or less (990lb) and [a stall speed of 32 Statute mph] or [a max wing loading of 25Kg/m2 ( 5.11lb/ft2)]? Changing to a smaller or 2-stroke engine would be OK. Cheers, Tim Walker. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/2003 _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:28:47 +0100 From: Phil Spurr To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Building a KR2(S) as a UK microlight. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201c2d3a3$fdf4bd00$f20b3cc3@LocalHost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 >Hi, >Does anyone know if a KR2 or a KR2S could be built within the CAA’s >microlight definition... I don't think so because of the stalling speed criteria. If the designers quote the stalling speed at say 52 mph ( regardless of actual figures for individual aircraft / loadings etc.) I think that the CAA would use this figure, and unfortunately it's quite a way off your target. I have perhaps one of the lightest tri-gear KR2 's built in the UK ( for which I can take no praise as I bought the plane built and proven ), and it is officially registered as a Rand KR2 (modified) , the 'modified' basically referring to the way that an extra glazed area behind the cockpit has been incorporated into the turtle deck. This for me adds to it's appearance, but also reduces weight a little also. Like most KR2 a/c on the UK PFA/CAA register, we are under the 990 lb MTOW figure you would need, although I'd rather be above it anyway to make it a true 2 seater with more fuel ! Email me offline and I can send you a jpg / gif photo of G-BTGD ( or see it on the CAA site under the G-INFO search http://www.caa.co.uk/srg/aircraft_register/ginfo/ ) to get an idea of what it looks like. Are you ruling out building and flying it under PFA rules in the UK ? Perhaps a guy to contact would be Colin Hayles, who flew his KR2 from the UK to Australia, and is currently co-ordinating modifications and drawings for UK KR2 aircraft in the UK. Phil Spurr phil.spurr@btopenworld.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:28:17 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Building a KR2(S) as a UK microlight. Message-ID: <3F1714F1.000015.00624@Computer> References: <001201c2d3a3$fdf4bd00$f20b3cc3@LocalHost> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 You might want to search the archives on this. It has been discussed at great length. You are probably better off to get a microlight. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:07:40 PM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: KR>Building a KR2(S) as a UK microlight.=0D =0D Hi,=0D Does anyone know if a KR2 or a KR2S could be built within the CAA=92s=0D microlight definition (basically MAUW 450Kg or less (990lb) and [a stall=0D speed of 32 Statute mph] or [a max wing loading of 25Kg/m2 (=0D 5.11lb/ft2)]? Changing to a smaller or 2-stroke engine would be OK.=0D Cheers,=0D Tim Walker.=0D =0D ---=0D Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.=0D Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).=0D Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/2003=0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom jdw1496@msn.com Thu Jul 17 14:43:00 2003 Received: from bay3-dav62.bay3.hotmail.com ([65.54.169.92] helo=hotmail.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19dGWi-000H72-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:43:00 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:42:44 -0700 Received: from 67.25.218.101 by bay3-dav62.bay3.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:42:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.25.218.101] X-Originating-Email: [jdw1496@msn.com] From: "JOHN WENZ" To: "krnet" Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:42:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0011.2700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2003 21:42:44.0422 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B2C4660:01C34CAC] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Oshkosh, First time attendee X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Are any KR-netters going to be around though the 8/1-8/2/03? Work constra= ints prohibit coming any sooner. I will be arriving on Friday morning and= plan to camp at Camp Scholler, in a tent does anyone have any advice? John Wenz =20 JDW1496@msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:00:55 -0400 From: "bill kirkland" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Kr builder list Message-ID: <005701c34cc8$1482ea40$9f612b18@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Bill Kirkland, Tillsonburg, ON 519 842 6475 W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND wkirkland@rogers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:50 PM Subject: KR>Kr builder list Well, I was updating the list and accidentally erased it. I did manage to save a few names but most of them are gone. So if you will resend me your info I will get in on the new list if its not already there. Once again Im sorry. Thanks, Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:43:12 -0400 From: virgnvs@juno.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Building a KR2(S) as a UK microlight. Message-ID: <20030717.222435.-389171.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Get the KR-1B Wings and use low power, Motor Glider Virg On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:08:01 -0000 "Architectural Engineering LTD" writes: > Hi, > Does anyone know if a KR2 or a KR2S could be built within the CAA’s > microlight definition (basically MAUW 450Kg or less (990lb) and [a > stall > speed of 32 Statute mph] or [a max wing loading of 25Kg/m2 ( > 5.11lb/ft2)]? Changing to a smaller or 2-stroke engine would be OK. > Cheers, > Tim Walker. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/2003 > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > Virgil N. Salisbury Amsoil www.lubedealer.com/salisbury ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:25:16 EDT From: Cowgirlflying@wmconnect.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Re: KR2 Project Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 I came across a KR2 project for sale in PA The boat spars and tail feathers have been built. It comes with a corviar engine Wayne's manual on how to rebuild a corvair Deil wing skins and tape with instruction some foam ply wood the tires rudder pedals and some of the control brackets With many extra items He was asking $3500.00 but I got him to come down to about $2700.00 The workman ship looks very good. He selling only because he needs more hanger space and doesn't want to have to rent a third hanger for his airplane's That and I think the wife got something to say about it. If your interested please email me off line I hope to get back to the airport soon to take pictures Pat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:11:58 -0700 From: Jim Morehead To: KR- Net Subject: KR>Replacement Canopy Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Netters, Where is a good source to buy a replacement canopy for a stock KR-2? I looked in Aircraft Spruce and Wicks, they list a lot of KR material, but not the canopy. Does Jeanette Rand still cary the canopy? I have written to her twice and have not gotten a reply from her. Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA KR -2 Sanding on the wing tips ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:25:09 -0700 From: Todd Servaes To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Replacement Canopy Message-ID: <3F1792C5.6090104@vfr.net> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Hello Jim, Spruce has both a standard and a "Super KR" canopy listed on page 176 of their current catalog, but not listed in the KR's own section. Hope this helps. Todd Servaes KR-2S Jim Morehead wrote: >Netters, > Where is a good source to buy a replacement canopy for a stock KR-2? I >looked in Aircraft Spruce and Wicks, they list a lot of KR material, but not >the canopy. Does Jeanette Rand still cary the canopy? I have written to >her twice and have not gotten a reply from her. > >Jim Morehead >Cameron Park, CA >KR -2 >Sanding on the wing tips > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:33:41 -0000 From: "Architectural Engineering LTD" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: RE: KR>Building a KR2(S) as a UK microlight. Message-ID: <000001c2d3fb$660d60c0$f20b3cc3@LocalHost> In-Reply-To: <3F1714F1.000015.00624@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 10 Thanks for that guys. Tim Walker. -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Dan Heath Sent: 17 July 2003 22:28 To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Building a KR2(S) as a UK microlight. You might want to search the archives on this. It has been discussed at great length. You are probably better off to get a microlight.=20 =20 N64KR =20 Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC =20 DanRH@KR-Builder.org =20 See you in Red Oak - 2003 =20 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org =20 -------Original Message------- =20 From: KR builders and pilots Date: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:07:40 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Building a KR2(S) as a UK microlight. =20 Hi, Does anyone know if a KR2 or a KR2S could be built within the CAA=92s microlight definition (basically MAUW 450Kg or less (990lb) and [a stall speed of 32 Statute mph] or [a max wing loading of 25Kg/m2 ( 5.11lb/ft2)]? Changing to a smaller or 2-stroke engine would be OK. Cheers, Tim Walker. =20 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/2003 =20 _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ._______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/2003 =20 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/2003 =20 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 06:00:31 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Replacement Canopy Message-ID: <3F17C53F.000001.02696@Computer> References: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 11 How about "Todd's Canopies" or a Dragonfly? There are also several other= s that will fit better than the original. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From bonzabay@netactive.co.za Fri Jul 18 10:53:50 2003 Received: from supermail.mweb.co.za ([196.2.53.171]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19dZQT-000NBe-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:53:50 -0700 Received: from [196.7.204.14] (helo=user) by supermail.mweb.co.za with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 19dZNO-0001K7-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:50:39 +0200 Message-ID: <007501c34d55$a828a220$LocalHost@user> From: "Evezard" To: "KR NEWS" Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:52:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Prop. X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Carlton,my prop was made in South Africa,by George Killey,a professional = prop maker.Some call it an "almost" constant speed prop.It bends forward = at a load ,reducing the pitch somewhat.It is a beautifully laminated = wooden prop ,covered with fibreglass,with stainless steel plated leading = edge.His props are very popular here.Peter Deneker also is a = professional prop maker here and makes beautiful props.I have one on my = motor glider.His props are also laminated wood ,fibreglass covered.with = kevlar/carbon fibre leading edges.If you require more info. please = contact me,directly. Best Regards, Eric Evezard, South Africa. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 100, Issue 1 *************************************