From: To: Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 116, Issue 1 Date: Sunday, August 03, 2003 11:31 AM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Marvel Mystery oil (Justin) 2. Re: Welders (Justin) 3. Neil Bingham's KR2 (Larry A Capps) 4. Re: Neil Bingham's KR2 (Mark Langford) 5. Re: Welders (Russ Fenlason) 6. Re: Re: Neil Bingham's KR2 (Todd Servaes) 7. tire pressure (Brian Kraut) 8. Intake manifolds. (Harold Woods) 9. Engine weights (Gavin Donohoe) 10. KR2s Internal Dimensions (Gavin Donohoe) 11. Oshkosh - I'm home (Jim Faughn) 12. RE: Marvel Mystery oil (Jim Faughn) 13. Neil Bingham's KR2 (Larry A Capps) 14. FREE engine mount and movable/rotating engine stand (larry severson) 15. Re: kr simulator? (Dan Heath) 16. Re: Registration (Max Hardberger) 17. Engine weights (larry flesner) 18. KR speeds (larry flesner) 19. Re: Registration (Robert Stone) 20. Re: Oshkosh - I'm home (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 21. Oshkosh (Dana Overall) 22. Red Oak (Leigh Plymale) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:31:53 -0500 From: "Justin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Marvel Mystery oil Message-ID: <001401c3591b$f6b71ad0$b5dc1818@computer> References: <3.0.6.32.20030801084941.007ad320@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 No one seems to have repied to this so here is something I can throw out for you on this. Call Marvel Mystery Oil and ask them if it can be used in fiberglass tanks using .... type of epoxy. I dont think it would do anything to the fiberglass. Justin N116JW www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 8:49 AM Subject: KR>Marvel Mystery oil > > > Does anyone have any knowledge or opinion on the use of > Marvel Mystery Oil in fiberglass tanks. I'm already convinced > of it's benifits for the engine after 460 hours in the Tripacer > but I'd like to know if it will be harmful in any way to my > tanks in the KR. > > Thanks, > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:33:45 -0500 From: "Justin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Welders Message-ID: <001e01c3591c$39d7b4a0$b5dc1818@computer> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 For my welding of Steel peices I just use a gas welder that my hanger supplies as a EAA chapter. Cheap and does the job for light metals. Justin N116JW www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home ----- Original Message ----- From: "mailbox bob at mail.flyboybob.com" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 5:35 PM Subject: RE: KR>Welders > Steve, > > I would recommend that you invest in TIG. It is the most versatile of the > methods available. MIG is best suited for production where the process is > worked out and repeated for volume operations. My personal favorite machine > is the Lincoln Square Wave 175. > > Regards, > > Bob Lee > ______________________________ > N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 30024 > 91% done only 51% to go! > Phone/Fax: 770/844-7501 > mailto:bob@flyboybob.com > http://flyboybob.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On > Behalf Of Steven Lemke > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 6:05 PM > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: KR>Welders > > > Hey Krnetters > > I have not posted anything in awhile so I thought I would bring up a > issue that I need some education on. I am going to start building my > engine mount and pedals so I started to look for a welder to purchase. > Campbell hausefield, Chicago electric, Lincoln, schuemaucher and a few > more are some of the brands I have found. Then we get into Arc or mig. > I have arc welded before and was pretty good at it 20 years ago. I plan > on building the pedal assembly myself but the engine mount I just want > to tack weld into place and have someone who knows what the are doing > finish it up. I also want to be able to build a aluminum intake runners > and maybe do a stainless steel exhaust system with it. As always price > is a big consideration, Chicago electric is the cheapest and probably > the lowest quality while Lincoln is very expensive, is it worth it? > > This will probably be the only time I will need it is to build my KR or > for small repairs, nothing over a 1/8th inch thick(I am not into > overkill). Any advise from others out there would be great. > > P.S. If Mr. Ameet is out there, please drop me a line and let me know > what you are up to. > > Steven Lemke > Omaha, Ne > slemke@cox.net > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 17:08:18 -0500 From: "Larry A Capps" To: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" Subject: KR>Neil Bingham's KR2 Message-ID: <000801c35942$9498eeb0$0400a8c0@schpankme> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 3 In answer to the question below by Mr. Langford - This is a brief excerpt by Neil Bingham as found on the KR Newsletter CD archives. The complete Flight Report can be read in KR Newsletter - July 1986 Issue #123. Neil Bingham KR-2 N81NB Empty Weight: 610 lbs.. Engine: Limbach L2000E01, 80 Horsepower Prop: Hoffman H011A-135 B 901 (53 x 35) Test Weight: 866 lbs. Air Temp: 78F Wind: Calm Runway: 4700' paved Field Elevation: 4222' MSL Date/Time: July 4, 1985/ 6:45 AM After 3 years build time, 4 1/2 hours taxi time and 4 tail-up runs down the runway, eased in throttle to 2,500 rpm. Tail up at about 35 mph, line up on center line and ease in rest of throttle. Much left rudder to hold straight, hold on runway to 60 mph, ease off slight forward stick pressure and off she comes. Climb out at 1,000 fpm and 80 mph indicated. Very smooth and total control. Some of the mods/additions to Ken Rand's original design include: 1 - Full panel for IFR, except ADF. 2 - 1 3 1/2" longer, 18" more wingspan. 3 - Dual controls, including heel brakes. 4 - 100° balanced control surfaces. (Have had it to 205 true with no indication of flutter). 5 - King avionics include KX-155/KI-209 Nav/Com/GS, King transponder with blind encoder, King Mkr. Ben. 6 - Wing tanks (in center section, 5 gal. each side). Facet transfer pump. 7 - Removable forward deck/14.5 gal. main tank. 8 - Removable custom turtle deck with 3 windows for 360° visibility. 9 - Long-Eze type Whelan position/Strobe 1ights on wing tips. 10 - Dual landing lights. 11 - All antennas glassed in, ala RST Labs Com in vert, stabilizer; Nav/GS outer left wing; Marker Beacon rear right wing; Transponder in outer right wing leading edge. All work just fine. 12 - Two props: Climb - Hoffman; Cruise Warnke "Almost Constant Speed". Regards, Larry A Capps KR Newsletter CD Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- Neil Bingham wrote his Sport Aviation article "A Critcal Design Review" The question is, did he add the dynamic elevator balances BEFORE or AFTER he wrote the article, and did they help? Mark Langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:06:02 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" Subject: KR>Re: Neil Bingham's KR2 Message-ID: <0fb901c3594a$d5405180$1202a8c0@basement> References: <000301c35941$d5cf1310$0400a8c0@schpankme> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Larry Capps wrote: > In answer to the question below by Mr. Langford - This is a brief excerpt by > Neil Bingham as found on the KR Newsletter CD archives. The complete Flight > Report can be read in KR Newsletter - July 1986 Issue #123. I'm not really sure that answered the question. It mentions that the control surfaces were 100 percent balanced, but not if it was using the balance tabs at the tip or some other way. I guess I'll ASSume that they have always been balanced at the tip, but I'm still not sure of that... Thanks, Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 19:22:29 -0500 From: "Russ Fenlason" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Welders Message-ID: <001d01c35955$531e4210$0400a8c0@D2M43L01> References: <000001c35878$ea776980$90146344@dell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Steve: I would suggest TIG accept its expensive. Not only the welder but you will need Argon gas which is also expensive. One of the smaller MIG welders With core wire is probably the most reeasonable price wise and is easy to get a good looking weld but play with it a while and test some welds before you do the real thing. Also you can do aluminum with the MIG but may need a spool gun to make it work (also expensive). A stick welder can do a good job and is strong but it takes a lot of practice to make a pretty job. I think you are wise to farm out the final weldig on the motor mount if you have not done much welding lately. One other thought, One of the advantages of TIG is you can preheat before you weld, The down side of MIG is you are welding as soon as you pull the trigger,which results in a cold weld, but the metal could be preheated with even a propane torch and solve some of that problem. Hope that helps....Russ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Lemke" To: > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 17:28:02 -0700 From: Todd Servaes To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Re: Neil Bingham's KR2 Message-ID: <3F2C5712.5070107@vfr.net> References: <000301c35941$d5cf1310$0400a8c0@schpankme> <0fb901c3594a$d5405180$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 On elevator balancing: I do not know how Bingham balanced his, but in digging into this issue a bit I have seen two successful approaches used on KRs. The first, poached from how many F1s are done is to balance with an internal weight on an arm attached at the elevator bell crank. The second, as you suggest, is weights attached at the elevator tips. One thing to keep in mind is that stresses on the weight attachments can be rather high. If I recall correctly Barnaby Wainfan in one of his articles said that control surface weight systems should be designed for a 40 g minimum. Todd Servaes KR-2S Mark Langford wrote: >Larry Capps wrote: > >>In answer to the question below by Mr. Langford - This is a brief excerpt >> >by > >>Neil Bingham as found on the KR Newsletter CD archives. The complete >> >Flight > >>Report can be read in KR Newsletter - July 1986 Issue #123. >> > >I'm not really sure that answered the question. It mentions that the >control surfaces were 100 percent balanced, but not if it was using the >balance tabs at the tip or some other way. I guess I'll ASSume that they >have always been balanced at the tip, but I'm still not sure of that... > >Thanks, > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >N56ML "at" hiwaay.net >see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 20:31:45 -0400 From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>tire pressure Message-ID: <3F2C57F1.6050204@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 Can someone tell me what tire pressure is recommended with the Azusa 5" wheels and Cheng Shin 11.4 X 5 6 ply tires? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:39:59 -0400 From: "Harold Woods" To: Subject: KR>Intake manifolds. Message-ID: <006d01c35960$26757430$08ee6418@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 8 Are you going to make your own intake manifold? I thought that I should = until it was recommened to me to visit one of my local muffler shops. = Some have very highly skillef pros. that can easilly make you an intake = exactly as you want it. And at a reasonable price.Check it out. Regards Harold Woods Orillia,ON, Canada. haroldwoods@rogers.comFrom JStephenz@aol.com Sat Aug 02 18:39:47 2003 Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.7]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19j7qd-000EcS-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 02 Aug 2003 18:39:47 -0700 Received: from JStephenz@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id g.137.2339a92d (2519) for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:40:10 -0400 (EDT) From: JStephenz@aol.com Message-ID: <137.2339a92d.2c5dc1fa@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:40:10 EDT To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10582 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>kr simulator? X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Hey Did I see a post sometime ago about a kr simulator? If so can someone email me the details on where to get one? Thanks Joel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 11:57:57 +1000 From: Gavin Donohoe To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Engine weights Message-ID: <002e01c35962$aa030ea0$024d8690@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 9 Recently there was a post about the weights of most common KR engines !!! And I've lost the web site that tells all. Can someone please let me know how to find it again? Thanks Gav --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 24/07/2003 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 12:00:42 +1000 From: Gavin Donohoe To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>KR2s Internal Dimensions Message-ID: <003b01c35963$0be69100$024d8690@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 10 I'm soon to buy the plans for a KR2S project!! Can someone tell me how wide the cabin is at about shoulder level from the plans? Gavin --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 24/07/2003 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:19:35 -0500 From: "Jim Faughn" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Oshkosh - I'm home Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Thanks to all that I saw at Oshkosh. It was a blast. I spent quite a bit of time on the flight line trying to show off the KR and meet people. One of the neatest things was meeting all of the people that had built KR's in the past. There are many of them. Also, I met Sam Bailey who was approved for aerobatics in his KR. He may make it to Red Oak. I'm looking forward to September and our fly-in. I finished my updates to my website tonight of the trip, on the KR section, and hope that it has helped get some people motivated to work on their planes. Trust me, it's more fun to fly them than build them. Jim Faughn http://www.jfaughn.com Email jfaughn "at" socket.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:19:36 -0500 From: "Jim Faughn" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>Marvel Mystery oil Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20030801084941.007ad320@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Larry, I use it regularly on my KR but I used vinylester (everyone's faviorite) to build the tanks and the plane. I have never had a problem in the 12 years I've been doing it. Jim Faughn -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of larry flesner Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 8:50 AM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Marvel Mystery oil Does anyone have any knowledge or opinion on the use of Marvel Mystery Oil in fiberglass tanks. I'm already convinced of it's benifits for the engine after 460 hours in the Tripacer but I'd like to know if it will be harmful in any way to my tanks in the KR. Thanks, Larry Flesner _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:42:18 -0500 From: "Larry A Capps" To: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" Cc: "Mark Langford \(E-mail\)" Subject: KR>Neil Bingham's KR2 Message-ID: <000201c35968$dbbcf310$0400a8c0@schpankme> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 13 Opps - sorry Mark, Your question was: "did he add the dynamic elevator balances BEFORE or AFTER he wrote the article, and did they help?" The answer found was: Mr. Bingham did provide for 100° control surface(s) balance prior to writing his article. He further indicates that the balanced control surfaces did help as he mentions having " had the plane to 205 true with no indication of flutter". My guess was, he built the plane to plans, except for where he indicates Balancing the Control Surface, as one of 12 MOD's to Ken's original design. I ASSumed he balanced the Elevator and Rudder at the tips using lead shot, as is a common procedure. I greatly apologize, in my zest to be the first to answer your question correctly and show how useful the KRNews CD is, I missed the bigger picture. Regards, Larry A Capps KR Newsletter CD Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- Larry Capps wrote: > In answer to the question can be read in KR Newsletter - July 1986 Issue #123. I'm not really sure that answered the question. It mentions that the control surfaces were 100 percent balanced, but not if it was using the balance tabs at the tip or some other way. I guess I'll ASSume that they have always been balanced at the tip, but I'm still not sure of that... Thanks, Mark Langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 21:53:09 -0700 From: larry severson To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>FREE engine mount and movable/rotating engine stand Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030802214743.00b71ec8@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <20030731154346.2F89B3B61@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14 I have had 3 responses to my engine stand and plans built mount, but no one has called. While I said that any spare parts in trade would be appreciated, none was demanded. The offer was, and is, FREE! I live right off the 405 freeway at 18242 Peters court, Fountain Valley. I will be home tomorrow, Sunday. First come, first serve. I will not be available next weekend. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 05:30:35 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>kr simulator? Message-ID: <3F2CD63B.000001.03776@Computer> References: <137.2339a92d.2c5dc1fa@aol.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 15 Joel,=0D =0D I have a KR that someone made for MSFS. I bought MSFS 2002 Professional= to see how it flew, and it was really bad. It virtually had no rudder contr= ol and in flight, it was just another MSFS plane.=0D =0D I also have X-Plane, which is much more realistic, but it has very few planes that a normal person would want to fly. I have started, barely, t= o build a KR for it, but it is no easy task and right now, I am more intent= on building the real thing. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Saturday, August 02, 2003 9:40:41 PM=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: KR>kr simulator?=0D =0D Hey=0D =0D Did I see a post sometime ago about a kr simulator? If so can someone ema= il=0D me the details on where to get one?=0D =0D Thanks Joel=0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom DanRH@alltel.net Sun Aug 03 03:35:32 2003 Received: from mta02.alltel.net ([166.102.165.144] helo=mta02-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19jGD6-000Gwu-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 03:35:32 -0700 Received: from Computer ([151.213.94.185]) by mta02-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20030803103600.ZQNQ11135.mta02-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2003 05:36:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3F2CE594.000005.03776@Computer> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 06:36:04 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: 3.0 X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: "krnet@mylist.net" Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Finished seat belt attachments with lap belt installation X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: We thought long and hard about how we would go about installing the seat belt harnesses. All of the planning went into the shoulder harness, thinking that the lap belts would just attach to the eye bolts that were installed through the bottom of the spar. This is what we came up with. = It is, by no means, the answer, because that would be to assume that there i= s an answer.=0D We really should have given a lot more planning effort to the lap belts, because they were just as difficult. What made it so agonizing, is that = it should have been a no-brainer. The last five pictures show our solution.= We thought this would be the easy part, but think again. I agonized over thi= s and tried several different brackets and made a mock up of one, only to f= ind that none of them were satisfactory. This is the only solution that I cou= ld come up with that keeps the HARDware away from your butt and the elevator push tube travel.=0D Click, to see the finished product, except for the pending patches to the wounds to the seats.=0D http://kr-builder.org/SeatBelts/index.html=0D =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From flesner@midwest.net Sun Aug 03 05:23:42 2003 Received: from epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.181]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19jHtm-000HEQ-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 05:23:42 -0700 Received: from dsc04-cir-oh-1-106.rasserver.net ([199.35.171.106] helo=larry-flesner) by epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19jHuF-0003kp-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 03 Aug 2003 05:24:11 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20030803071951.00867210@pop.midwest.net> X-Sender: flesner@pop.midwest.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 07:19:51 -0500 To: KR builders and pilots From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR>Progress report In-Reply-To: <20030802131107.15254.qmail@web41315.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20030802055705.00865100@pop.midwest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: >LARRY >WHAT PAINT ARE YOU USING,ACRYLIC ENAMEL,URATHANE? >DAVE ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ACRYLIC ENAMEL ( I think) The painter picked it for me. I believe it is made by DuPont and the cost was $40 gallon. I think the number of colors are limited on this particular brand of paint but all I needed was white. My trim will be vynal (sp?) when I get to it. He used two gallon to paint the airplane. I'm sure that more than half was lost to the air! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 07:28:31 -0500 From: "Max Hardberger" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Registration Message-ID: <008501c359ba$c0981f90$0100a8c0@toshibauser> References: <000801c357a5$679bf400$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 Although I'm a lawyer and not a builder (my sole effort was an abortive attempt to build a Jeannie's Teenie in the late 60's, abandoned after several of them crashed), but I don't think that the extent of modification has any effect on the legal status of the aircraft. The FAA doesn't care what you call it--they're all Experimental to the FAA. Since a builder only has to satisfy the FAA in terms of registration, it wouldn't matter how much or little the plane has been modified as long as the FAA inspectors are satisfied as to its construction. In terms of the builder's relationship with RR, that is governed by the relationship (i.e., whether they have a contract). Any complaint RR may have about people building a KR or claiming to have a KR would be strictly between the two parties. Without a contract with the builder or owner, RR has no influence over either. Further, one can call his plane a KR with or without RR's approval or registration as long as it isn't done for an improper purpose (such as defrauding a buyer), although there might be some liability for misrepresentation to the buyer if the modification rendered the aircraft of less value than a plans-built KR. Considering that almost every (if not every) KR is modified from the plans to some degree, this would be a very difficult position for the buyer to maintain. Max Hardberger ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 07:43:13 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Engine weights Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030803074313.0086b100@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <002e01c35962$aa030ea0$024d8690@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 17 >Recently there was a post about the weights of most common KR engines !!! And I've lost the web site that tells all. Can someone please let me know how to find it again? >Gav ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ If I were betting real money, I'd look on Mark Langford's site ! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 07:54:43 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>KR speeds Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030803075443.00864870@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <1cc.e95679e.2c5d62ff@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 18 \>I seemed to be confused on "Jeanette's Specs" being soon to be a new KR >Builder, the only specs I know of are the ones on her website... top speed 200, >cruise at 180. \>John Monday \+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John, These "specs" have not changed from the first KR 2 that Ken built. He had a turbo VW and was getting 180 cruise up high so I guess you can't dispute that number. Realisticly, it depends on the engine used and the aircraft weight and how well it is streamlined. Expect 120 mph on the low end, 140 to 150 average cruise, and up to 180 cruise for the very light and/or big engine KR's. The 200 mph thing is the designer's imposed redline for the aircraft. Sorry there isn't a more exact answer but I hope this helps. If you want speed with yours, build it light and use the largest "practical" engine. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 11:31:01 -0500 From: "Robert Stone" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Registration Message-ID: <004001c359dc$a0f083e0$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> References: <000801c357a5$679bf400$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> <008501c359ba$c0981f90$0100a8c0@toshibauser> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 Max, Thanks very much for the legal advice. I am sure it will be of value to some of the builders. If you still have an interest in building and flying your own aircraft I can tell you from my experience the KR aircraft are the easiest to build. They are also very durable and strong. Properly built they will provide a safe and very enjoyable flying machine for years. Years ago out in California I was at Meadowlark airport with Ken and a lawyer friend of his was about to fly his KR-1. This was long before the KR-2 was designed. When that lawyer landed he told Ken that the last time he flew an airplane as hot as the KR-1, it had guns on it. This guy was a former P-51 pilot during WWll. Ken's KR-1 had a turbocharged Revemaster 2100 installed and would in level flight get up to 200 MPH. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Hardberger" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 7:28 AM Subject: Re: KR>Registration > Although I'm a lawyer and not a builder (my sole effort was an abortive > attempt to build a Jeannie's Teenie in the late 60's, abandoned after > several of them crashed), but I don't think that the extent of modification > has any effect on the legal status of the aircraft. The FAA doesn't care > what you call it--they're all Experimental to the FAA. Since a builder only > has to satisfy the FAA in terms of registration, it wouldn't matter how much > or little the plane has been modified as long as the FAA inspectors are > satisfied as to its construction. > > In terms of the builder's relationship with RR, that is governed by the > relationship (i.e., whether they have a contract). Any complaint RR may have > about people building a KR or claiming to have a KR would be strictly > between the two parties. Without a contract with the builder or owner, RR > has no influence over either. Further, one can call his plane a KR with or > without RR's approval or registration as long as it isn't done for an > improper purpose (such as defrauding a buyer), although there might be some > liability for misrepresentation to the buyer if the modification rendered > the aircraft of less value than a plans-built KR. Considering that almost > every (if not every) KR is modified from the plans to some degree, this > would be a very difficult position for the buyer to maintain. > > Max Hardberger > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:45:02 -0400 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Oshkosh - I'm home Message-ID: <20030803.124503.3984.0.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 20 Jim, I've been flying my S for 3 yrs now and have wondered about aerobatics, Just what are these planes capable off? I would get training first of course.-----------------Thanks!! On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:19:35 -0500 "Jim Faughn" writes: > Thanks to all that I saw at Oshkosh. It was a blast. I spent quite a > bit of > time on the flight line trying to show off the KR and meet people. > One of > the neatest things was meeting all of the people that had built KR's > in the > past. There are many of them. Also, I met Sam Bailey who was > approved for > aerobatics in his KR. He may make it to Red Oak. > > I'm looking forward to September and our fly-in. I finished my > updates to my > website tonight of the trip, on the KR section, and hope that it has > helped > get some people motivated to work on their planes. Trust me, it's > more fun > to fly them than build them. > > Jim Faughn > > http://www.jfaughn.com > Email jfaughn "at" socket.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 12:49:30 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Oshkosh Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 21 Got back last evening from one of the best Oshkosh shows I've seen. Ended up seeing three KRs, Jims, Chris and Owens. All three survived the little weather blast we had during the KR forum and the one later that night..........although Chris was a little worse for wear after the Weds. night one. Had a great time gathering at John Moyers RV (camper that is) for the Mark Jones supplied Beer & Brats. Had great intoxicating conversation...........or was that great conversation while intoxicated......can't remember. Seriously, I had a great time seeing the KR crowd although there seemed to be a lot of conversation about clothing this year. I guess you had to be there to understand that one:-) Landford & I got there late Tuesday night after stopping at Mark Jones's house. Mark has got to have the most comforable KRs I have ever sat in. His added length is a true benefit. It was a blast sitting in his KR and starting up that Corvair, sounded and felt great. Best wishes to all and I hope to see you again later this year....now time to go to the shop and play with all the neat toys I bought. Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:25:17 -0400 From: "Leigh Plymale" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Red Oak Message-ID: <000c01c359ec$973cbd40$81251443@chvlva.adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 22 Netters, I would like to attend Red Oak this year. I wonder if there is anyone = near Roanoke, VA that is either flying or driving. (1150 miles from = Roanoke) I am willing to share in expenses, and to drive to some place = such as Bristol TN, Greensboro or Charlotte NC, Richmond VA to meet. If = you are interested please call or E-mail me. Sincerely, Leigh Plymale P 540-380-2022 Flyboy232@adelphia.net------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 116, Issue 1 *************************************