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Today's Topics: 1. RE: wing root filet (gleone) 2. (no subject) 3. Commercial Use (Colin) 4. LED nav lights on sale (Mark Langford) 5. Re: LED nav lights on sale 6. More Fun Friday pics. (Dana Overall) 7. Re: More Fun Friday pics. (Dana Overall) 8. Re: More Fun Friday pics. (Mark Jones) 9. Re: More Fun Friday pics. 10. Re: LED nav lights on sale 11. Back Issues of Newsletter (Ross Youngblood) 12. Re: LED nav lights on sale (Mark Jones) 13. Re: LED nav lights on sale (Dan Heath) 14. Re: LED nav lights on sale 15. Re: More Fun Friday pics. (Dana Overall) 16. Re: RE: Dana - flight director-EFIS (Dana Overall) 17. brs installation 18. More Dynon EFIS-D10 info (Dana Overall) 19. Re: More Dynon EFIS-D10 info (Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:02:41 -0600 (Mountain Daylight Time) From: "gleone" To: Subject: RE: KR>wing root filet Message-ID: <3F3D2E51.000004.01932@bce-kfbivsogxl9> References: <004001c362d3$cfd3eda0$3b476ad8@jfaughn> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 Beer cans work well too.=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Thursday, August 14, 2003 8:14:11 PM=0D To: 'KR builders and pilots'=0D Subject: RE: KR>wing root filet=0D =0D My fillets are pretty simple. First glue some left over foam blocks cut=0D to a 45 in pieces to the space between the wing and the side. Next use a=0D coke or pepsi can wrapped with glued on sand paper and sand your fillet=0D about 2/3 the way back on the wing. Next use a coffee can covered with=0D sand paper and sand your fillet the rest of the way. By the way, the=0D coffee can serves as the guide for the very back trailing edge of the=0D wing to side too. Make sure you work out the coke can vs. coffee can=0D difference and fair that in. Micro the result, fill anything you need to=0D and add a layer of fiberglass. This is a one afternoon job. The bottom=0D was all coke can to the rear.=0D =0D Jim=0D =0D Jim Faughn =0D 4323D Laclede Ave.=0D St. Louis, MO 63108=0D (314)652-7659=0D Email - sub @ for "at" jfaughn "at" socket.net=0D Web Site http://jfaughn.com=0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On=0D Behalf Of Dan & Michele=0D Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:43 PM=0D To: post to list=0D Subject: KR>wing root filet=0D =0D =0D I have my stub wings fiberglassed up to the fusalage with a square=0D corner. my next move is to create fillets between the wing and fusalage.=0D I read in the archives (i believe it was Mark Langford) who said with=0D some discussed "if he'd do it again he'd just slop some micro in the=0D corner and sand a radious and that would be it". My question is how=0D thick can I go with the micro before i need to start worying about=0D cracks or pulling away from the fusalage. otherwise my thought is to=0D foam and fiberglass the fillet, keping the top of the radious 1/4" below=0D the bottom of the fusalage to give the fiberglass somthing to stick to,=0D then create the rest of the fillet with micro. Thanks for your help. Dan=0D Rondeau Sheboygan, WI dandm@qwics.com =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =2E=20 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:03:03 EDT From: Kidicarus66@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>(no subject) Message-ID: <94.3bbe0ec5.2c6e9677@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Looking for a builder, or owner of a KR-2 or KR-2S. I live in Connecticut. Willing to travel to NY, NJ, MA, and RI. I would like to see one before I build one. Please respond to my E-mail address. KID_ICARUS66@AOL.COM Thank You ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:28:16 -0400 From: "Colin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Commercial Use Message-ID: <002201c36374$23bcae70$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 I was always told that the test for whether or not a private pilot was = violating the compensation rule was: would the compensation or pay occur = regardless of the flight? If the pay or compensation would transpire = regardless of the flight then you were okay. This would agree with your = explanation Dana. I too am learning alot about the owning of an aircraft = by a corporation. I mentioned the portion about the regs for someone who = commented amount needing a commercial license to operate the aircraft in = any commercial capacity, which you and I also addressed. I was totally = unaware about the other factors surrounding the correct use of corporate = purchase and ownership of an aircraft. Thanks to both Dana and Max! :-) Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From N323XL@comcast.net Fri Aug 15 15:34:17 2003 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19nn9F-000HKh-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:34:17 -0700 Received: from comcast.net (h00501800bd0d.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.34.138.95](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTPid <20030815223520014005uq4ve> (Authid: N323XL);Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:35:20 +0000 Message-ID: <3F3D611E.40605@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:39:26 -0400 From: David Mullins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>(no subject) References: <94.3bbe0ec5.2c6e9677@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <94.3bbe0ec5.2c6e9677@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Dan, I'm not in Connitecut, But for a short road trip you can come up here and see my bird under construction. My plane is at the Nashua Airport (KASH) We can also go see Paul O'rielly's KR2 in Derry NH and Rich Parker's KR2S in Peterborough NH. Nashua is just over the Mass/NH border on Route 3. It is approximately 1.5 hour drive from Hartford. Take I-84 north to the mass pike. Go east to exit 9 (10 miles), take I-290 East to I-495 North Take the exit for route 3 north( I think it is #32). After crossing the NH border go to exit #6 Make a right turn and go two blocks. I am the third house (Gray)on the left from the highway. The airport is about 1 mile away. Paul is 15 min Northeast, Rich is 30 min West Dave Mullins 91A Broad Street Nashua, New Hampshire 603-880-4029 Http://N323XL.iwarp.com Kidicarus66@aol.com wrote: > Looking for a builder, or owner of a KR-2 or KR-2S. I live in Connecticut. >Willing to travel to NY, NJ, MA, and RI. I would like to see one before I >build one. Please respond to my E-mail address. > >KID_ICARUS66@AOL.COM > > Thank You >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:43:07 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>LED nav lights on sale Message-ID: <001501c3637e$99378e90$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Dana forwarded something on LED nav lights a few weeks ago. While they were originally designed for RVs, the guy also made some generic ones for the rest of us. He offers them assembled or as a kit. I bought a kit for $125, and will install them in my wingtips one of these days. Power consumption is a tiny fraction of what incandecents use, which is why they appeal to me. Check 'em out at http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm ... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:48:43 EDT From: JSMONDAY@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>LED nav lights on sale Message-ID: <106.263c6ea6.2c6ebd4b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 In a message dated 8/15/2003 3:42:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, n56ml@hiwaay.net writes: > http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm ... LInk is missing something.. it can't find it! Thanks, John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:54:40 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>More Fun Friday pics. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 Alas, the only thing I have been doing is building my fuselage......with a little avionics stuff thrown in to keep it interesting. Well, my newest toy arrived today. I am trying my best to have redundant glass instruments at a reasonable price in my RV. Well, this one takes the place of the attitude indicator, altimeter, VSI, DG, compass, turn coordinator, skid ball and voltmeter. Thrown in for good measure are angle of attack, checklists, g-meter, clock and timer. I have only had once chance to ever play with a flight director. This is the closest I will ever come to owning one on a beer budget. The buttons on the bottom take you other menus with the remaining buttons asking you what you want to do. It is neat as can be. My unit was #345 so these things are selling like hotcakes. There are numerous people on the RVlist flying with them and report great success. Here we go. This one is level flight right out of the box http://rvflying.tripod.com/dynon1.jpg This one is a 10 degree descending right turn http://rvflying.tripod.com/dynon2.jpg The above two pics were with a flash to show just how bright the screen is in bright light. This one with room lighting with no flash http://rvflying.tripod.com/dynon3.jpg One of the neatest things is the quick ability to set this unit to meet the flying characteristics of individual airplanes. The attitude indicator can be adjusted in flight to compensate for level flight that day, ie., weight. Bugs are easily set for headings, altitudes. You can declutter, add do anything you need. This thing is way too cool..............and it works!! Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:05:14 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>More Fun Friday pics. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 BTW, I have the DG, angle of attack and VIS disabled in those pics. If anyone wants to see the total screen, I'll post another pic. If you notice the altitude in the three pics it reads 620, 632 and 632. By the time I had downloaded the pics it was reading 640.................a thunderstorm was moving through, this this is just way too cool.........I think I already said that:-) Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:24:25 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>More Fun Friday pics. Message-ID: <004f01c3639d$8408f260$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 I would like to see additional pics and also where you got it. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:05 PM Subject: Re: KR>More Fun Friday pics. > BTW, I have the DG, angle of attack and VIS disabled in those pics. If > anyone wants to see the total screen, I'll post another pic. If you notice > the altitude in the three pics it reads 620, 632 and 632. By the time I had > downloaded the pics it was reading 640.................a thunderstorm was > moving through, this this is just way too cool.........I think I already > said that:-) > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider/fuselage > Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:23:32 EDT From: Air2steve@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>More Fun Friday pics. Message-ID: <182.1f2c4315.2c6eefa4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 What size and weight? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:46:33 EDT From: AviationMech@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>LED nav lights on sale Message-ID: <72.30b86dfd.2c6ef509@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 In a message dated 8/15/2003 6:42:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, n56ml@hiwaay.net writes: > LED nav lights Mark the web page (http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm ) came up for me, but no pictures. Did you get pictures? Orma AKA AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com/aviationmech also see me at www.aviation-mechanics.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 04:17:34 +0100 From: "Ross Youngblood" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Back Issues of Newsletter Message-ID: <20030816031734.9765.qmail@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 I just got my Newsletter back issues. Found some interesting items that are interesting because I am noticing some issues in my aileron pushrod areas that I needed to follow up on. Maybe due to the errors in the plans. One of the old issues, mentions adding a 1/8" by 1/4" o.d. bushing between the aileron pushrod and the belcrank. Another (Nov'83) mentions an error in Drawing #71. I need to head out to the airport and review my plans. The error in drawing #71 impacts how much aileron down travel you have. I think my down travel is OK, but the error would also impact the pushrod geometry a bit, which is what I want to look at. I started getting the newsletter in '88, and didn't bother to get the back issues until now. So I would recommend anyone who hasn't gotten the back issues to check into it. My plans are dated '86 (I think), so they drawing may have been updated, but I'm going to check it, and also consider the 1/8" pushrod bushing idea... (to prevent binding). There is also a mention of putting a washer on the outside in case the pushrod fails, you don't loose all flight control. -- Ross http://n541ry.us -- ____________________________________________ http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:31:57 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>LED nav lights on sale Message-ID: <007701c363a6$f24f2560$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <72.30b86dfd.2c6ef509@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 The link worked perfect for me. Really nice lights. Thanks Mark for the tip. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: Re: KR>LED nav lights on sale > In a message dated 8/15/2003 6:42:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > n56ml@hiwaay.net writes: > > > LED nav lights > > Mark the web page (http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm ) > came up for me, but no pictures. Did you get pictures? > > Orma AKA AviationMech > KR-2 N110LR > 1984 to Present > www.members.aol.com/aviationmech > also see me at > www.aviation-mechanics.com > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:08:25 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>LED nav lights on sale Message-ID: <3F3E1EB9.000011.00172@Computer> References: <007701c363a6$f24f2560$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 13 It looks like you still have to make your lenses. If this is so, and any= of you do it, please let us know how you did it to come out with something l= ike what is in the picture.=0D =0D They look really nice and the price is right. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Sat Aug 16 05:18:48 2003 Received: from mta01.alltel.net ([166.102.165.143] helo=mta01-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19o01A-000NXm-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:18:48 -0700 Received: from Computer ([151.213.94.185]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20030816121952.FKRD17462.mta01-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 07:19:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3F3E216B.000013.00172@Computer> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:19:55 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>RE: Dana - flight director X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Dana,=0D =0D That thing is really cool. Where did it come from and did it cost Heinek= en or Pabst Blue Ribbon ?=0D =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From JSMONDAY@aol.com Sat Aug 16 05:57:47 2003 Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.99]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19o0cs-000O0j-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:57:47 -0700 Received: from JSMONDAY@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id g.75.173f9d66 (30950) for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:58:47 -0400 (EDT) From: JSMONDAY@aol.com Message-ID: <75.173f9d66.2c6f8487@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:58:47 EDT Subject: Re: KR>More Fun Friday pics. To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: In a message dated 8/15/2003 6:55:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bo124rs@hotmail.com writes: > http://rvflying.tripod.com/dynon3.jpg > Dana, who makes your panel??? looks great Thanks, John Monday ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:59:40 EDT From: JSMONDAY@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>LED nav lights on sale Message-ID: <14b.22d941f5.2c6f84bc@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 I got it to come up to.. got three pictures showing up on the bottom three, but no upper ones.. it took awhile and I have DSL. John Monday ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 09:05:03 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>More Fun Friday pics. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15 What size and what weight is the Dynon EFIS? Face size is 4.090 wide and 3.390 high. It is made to fit in a standard 3 1/8 panel hole. What you are looking at in terms of screen area is larger than an existing artificial horizon. The manufacturers intent was for someone to be able to remove a horizon and plug and play. I've heard people on the RVlist be flying in a little over an hour after arriving at their hangars with this unit. All you have to do is supply external power, ground, pitot and static. I went with the internal lithium battery that is rechargeable whenever external power is connected. It supplies a minumum of 2 hours of normal operation. Weight with the internal battery is 1.75 lbs., without is 1.35 lbs. www.dynondevelopment.com or www.dynonavionics.com Here is pic showing the instrument at work http://rvflying.tripod.com/dynon4.jpg Starting from top to bottom, left to right. The top shows a heading of 355 degrees, DG, left is a airspeed tape and digital readout. You can show either or both. To the right of airspeed is the angle of attack. Airspeed is not the best way to moniter optimal approach or takeoff speeds. I will use the AOA extensively. In numerical presentation just above and to the right of AOA is VS (VSI). This is shown numerically with an arrow. If you are climbing the arrow points up and the number is shown in green. Descending, and the arrow points down and the number is shown red. Above the arch is a lateral line with arrows on each side. This is the turn coordinator. A yellow lines moves out to show a standard rate turn. If you exceed a SRT, the scale changes. The arch shows your degree of bank in 10 degree increments. The lateral bars again show 5 degrees of pitch. The ball on the bottom is your skid ball. Airspeed is on the right and once again you can show it in tape, digital or both. The g-meter is not shown as I have not subjected the unit to any to show. The voltmeter does not show as external power is not supplied in this pic. Timer, well I have the clock showing. You may think this is cluttered and would be difficult to discern information but that is not the case. It is very well presented and in a very logical and easy to dissimilate manner. This thing also outputs through a serial port constantly during operation so you can record everything you see on the head using standard ASCII and columned using speadsheet programs such as Excel. I know, someone is going to say, "you are putting all your eggs in one basket and electron stuff goes bad", so I'll go a little deeper to answer as many questions as I can. I'll take current electronic over mechanical most any day. Over the last couple years I have had my airspeed indicator, both mags, one vac. and altimeter worked on. Not a great track record. For VFR, throw this thing in and forget it. If something fails look out the canopy and fly on. For me, I am replacing my IFR Bonanza with this airplane so I am going to equip the panel with redundancy. My power will go to a battery bus then main bus which will supply through a diode an essential bus. The essential bus is switch coupled to the battery bus. If something happens to the alternator or a short developes somewhere outside my essential side, all I do is switch off the main bus and switch on the essential bus. The diode prevents back powering of the main bus. If this does not work, the Dynon still has an internal battery. Now, again remember I am replacing my IFR Bonanza so what else I am adding is expensive but it is airplane money that already exists. I already have the Grand Rapids EIS 4000 engine monitering system www.grtavionics.com I am installing their flat panel color screen that will be upgradable to a primary flight data EFIS. Initially I will only use the engine monitering system. I will mount the regular EIS screen on my panel to display additional engine information. This unit also accepts an external backup battery supply. Neither the Dynon or Grand Rapids use external GPS data, they are totally self contained. My Garmin 430 will be coupled to a Trutrack vertical speed, altitude hold autopilot www.trutrakap.com that will shoot the entire approach including holds and misses. As a backup to above, my plan until new stuff comes out, is to use a remote pclightsystems.com egyro3 or pcefis. This system is more of a hand held type system that gets it initial power from the airplane but runs for several hours on an internal nive volt. It derives is info for heading from an external GPS, in my case my Lowrance Airmap 100. The pitch and roll comes from a small electronic gyro and is very accurate. This would be used only in an emergency. For this to happen my alternator must go bad at the same time my battery blows up at the same time my Dynon craps the bed or internal battery goes belly up, by Grand Rapids gets a case of the squirts and doesn't display engine information. Now, if the PCflightsystems unit also goes bad at this same time.........well I figure the ol air traffic controller upstairs just pulled my squalk code. OH BTW, all this would have to happen when I was solid IFR also. Just for reference, by RV will be gloss black with gold trim, tinted canopy to go along with all this glass color panel. OH, the cost of the Dynon that replaces all those steam guages........$2261.79 shipped to my front door with EFIS-D10, internal battery, external (it has an internal one) magnetometer and flush mount bracket. I know this was long but experience on another list, by many people, has proven a disdain for electronic stuff over stuff that has worked, somewhat in my opinion, for 60 years. My answer to that is something from Van's, "We used to start cars with a crank, but we sure wouldn't want to have to do that again" Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: Air2steve@aol.com >Reply-To: KR builders and pilots >To: krnet@mylist.net >Subject: Re: KR>More Fun Friday pics. >Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:23:32 EDT > > What size and weight? >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 09:20:05 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>RE: Dana - flight director-EFIS Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 16 >From: "Dan Heath" >That thing is really cool. Where did it come from and did it cost Heineken >or Pabst Blue Ribbon ? > Somewhere buried in that long winded post I just put out I put a couple things that may need to be extracted for easy reference:-) The unit comes from http://www.dynonavionics.com As for beer, you decide:-) it replaces the attitude indicator, altimeter, airspeed indicator, VSI, DG, compass, voltmeter, turn coordinator and skid ball. It also provides an extremely useful angle of attack bar, g-meter, clock and timer. Price all that stuff out, weigh it and then compare it to my 1.75 lb. single unit with internal backup battery and external magnetometer for $2261.79 delivered. I know you don't need all those instruments in a KR but if you could have them all with plenty of panel space, great accuracy and with absolutely no weight penalty.........................would you?? Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:27:24 EDT From: JStephenz@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>brs installation Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 Has anyone installed a ballistic recovery chute in a kr? If so please email me at jstephenz@aol.com thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:28:19 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>More Dynon EFIS-D10 info Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 18 Couple more answers to numerous questions I have received off list. The Dynon unit is totally self contained. If you don't have interference problems in your panel for less than $100 you can install a remote magnetrometer. Inside the case for attitude information are 3 solid-state gyrometers and 3 solid-state accelerometers. Heading comes from 3 solid-state magnetometers. Airspeed, altitude and AOA are obtained from three pressure transducers. Put this in the panel, power to pins 1,2,14 and ground to 3. Screw in pitot and static and go fly. If you do have a transponder, it outputs gray code for altitude that the transponder can use so you don't need an encoder. http://www.dydonavionics.com http://rvflying.tripod.com/dynon4.jpg Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:02:17 -0700 From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>More Dynon EFIS-D10 info Message-ID: <019d01c36428$ea21d0e0$0d02a8c0@charlesmidkiff> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 11:28 AM Subject: KR>More Dynon EFIS-D10 info Couple more answers to numerous questions I have received off list. The Hi Dana, Thanks for all your input and information as you progress on your RV. I especially like to hear about your experience with this new Dynan unit. It for sure is pretty cool. Doug Medema, who also is building an RV and is a member of our local EAA chapter 84, is one of the engineers at Dynan Development and has one of the units for his RV. He has been our guest speaker on a couple occasions demonstrating the Dynan unit. It is pretty impressive!! Bud Midkiff Lynnwood, WA "reservations made for the gathering" email: c.midkiff@verizon.net ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 129, Issue 1 *************************************