From: To: Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 145, Issue 2 Date: Monday, September 01, 2003 12:01 PM Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: KR Aileron control at low speeds? (Ross Youngblood) 2. Re: assembly plant 3. Assembly Plant (Colin) 4. Re: assembly plant (robert glidden) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 18:56:25 +0100 From: "Ross Youngblood" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Re: KR Aileron control at low speeds? Message-ID: <20030901175625.7416.qmail@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Has anyone looked at the SIZE of a KR aileron... I can't believe there are problems with aileron response at low speeds... the darn aileron is nearly the length of the entire wingspan! Besides at REAL low speeds, i.e. Slow flight near the stall... if a wing drops, you are supposed to use rudder instead of ailearon to prevent stalling a wing. Am I missing somthing... Of cousre I haven't FLOWN my KR yet... so I am totally unaware of my birds actual flight characteristics. -- ____________________________________________ http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:18:14 EDT From: Aeroeng39@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: <119.2850cee9.2c84e766@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Mr. Brigadier General wrote: I am a former Marine General who has flown over 30 years, but I must admit that I am a novice at the building process and realize that the more I know, the better the plane will be. We want to include a BRS, a portable oxygen system, long range fuel tanks, transponder and GPS as part of the stock plane, not an option. Reply: I've been reading all the hoopla about a factory for the Kr. I enjoy the KR Net. I receive great amounts of info. (Special thanks to Mark Langford, Dana Overall), If there is true intent to be conjoined with Jeanette R then Mr. Brigadier should be seeking a forum with her alone. My personal opinion is backed up by 20 years pure aviation. I have flown for the Military for 10 as a Chief Warrant Officer. I have flown literally half way around the world with 5 years over sea's even with the unfortunate experience of going down twice. I was responsible for saving the lives of my crew and most of my ship anyway. Of course the engine and transmission were toast. But those that flew with me as well as myself (obviously) are still walking Gods green earth. No medals, I did what the military trained me to do and I know I've received the best flight training in the world. I was trained by Vietnam veterans. I am licensed and qualified in both Helicopter (Huey's to the Apache) and fixed wing. I have been slowly but surely, building my KR2S for KR netters obvious reasons. I am not currently an engineer. But have been enrolled as a full time student for the past 20 months majoring in Aerospace Engineering. With the past 5 years as a Senior Technical writer within the Aerospace Industry. In my own experience, I have built them, fixed them, flown them till they broke apart "literally", studied them, and have been writing the books on them. I chose this aircraft for all the reasons everyone else has. Because I love to fly. It is not only what I do, but it is who I am. As it is for all those that love the experience and true freedom of flight. Being a military man I am not surprised if Mr. Brigadier is a general. First of all, to even think of putting all that garbage on a well proven platform until it is no longer a kit aircraft, until it is no longer simple to build, until it is so heavy that it can't get off the ground and finally until it is no longer affordable, is just like the military. Second, if Mr. Brigadier is a general, being a military man myself, I know the only thing he flew for the 30 years was a desk. He may have his wings, but that doesn't mean he actually flew. I know when my general got in my bird, I didn't allow him to even operate the radio, and I "was" in an aviation unit. This aircraft I chose because I wanted to create a flying machine that would incorporate not only the proven sound engineering of RR, but also my own knowledge of flight experience as well as my personality. A few Pre-fabricated parts are nice, but there still is the 51% rule to contend with as well. Lastly, my ethics, morality, integrity, character and tenacity to attempt to achieve flight by my own fabrication have been shaped by the purity of the love for flying and the machines that allow me to cheat the bounds of gravity. I believe that all those that are involved with this KR net forum, carry these same traits and would speak to them as brothers of a common and noble quest. To Mr. Brigadier, the KR is a bird whose feathers were meant to be shaped by the sole hands of each individual of whom so ever ventures to join in this quest of personal accomplishment in bringing out the eagle within us....as individuals. If all of us did want a factory built aircraft,.......we would......buy Cessna. The journey of building the KR to reach the clouds, is what makes playing in them, so great. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:18:12 -0400 From: "Colin" To: Subject: KR>Assembly Plant Message-ID: <004001c370b5$67944e70$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 Mr. Locker, If it is truly your intent to build an affordable yet safe purpose-built = aircraft then you need to do some research on this aircraft = specifically. ON Mark Langford's site there is a link to an evaluation = done by I believe Tony Bengalis the KR2 and has ALOT of valuable = information concerning this aircraft. If your intention is to utilize = this platform in flight regimes that will use oxygen, mandatory in = civilian aircraft after 30 minutes above 12,500 feet, or immediately = after climbing through 14,000 feet, and desire the additional equipment = for IFR operations which I gather by its description you do, then this = aircraft anywhere close to its original configuration is NOT well suited = to the task. IT is akin to using a carpenter's hammer and chisel to = remove a driveway, instead of a jackhammer. It will get the job done, = BUT.... A second example of a similarly designed aircraft would be the = Sonex, which like the KR2, and KR2S is primarily designed for VFR day, = and if carefully built VFR night operations. Most here agree that it is = not stable enough for intentional IFR operations, and powerplants = designed for high altitude operations are not practical for use in this = airframe, without considerable modification. In my opinion, you would = be better off buying the designing software from DiVinci Technologies = and scratch building your desired aircraft, since after modifying the = KR2 to do all you want it to do, it will not be anything close to the = same plane. Better examples to follow for your intended use are the = Lancair Legacy, Glassair, and Mustang II. Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From n56ml@hiwaay.net Mon Sep 01 11:28:29 2003 Received: from server-24-236-126-2.knology.net ([24.236.126.2] helo=smtp5.knology.net)by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19ttPh-0009dR-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 11:28:29 -0700 Received: (qmail 17750 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2003 18:30:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO basement) (24.214.88.148) by smtp5.knology.net with SMTP; 1 Sep 2003 18:30:04 -0000 Message-ID: <03b301c370b7$4a3ccad0$1202a8c0@basement> From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 13:31:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: KR>"KR2- A Critical Design Review" X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: "KR2, a Critical Design Review", was written by Neil Bingham. Larry Capps retyped the whole thing into a Word document, so I've updated my web page with an html version that's a lot easier to read, thanks to him. It's at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/neilb.html . Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 13:56:39 -0500 From: "robert glidden" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: <002001c370ba$c7325b60$0c00000a@glidden> References: <20030901174510.30686.qmail@operamail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 I don't plan on flying my T.V.,but you are right,I just wounder how many people are going to jump into a airplane of this construction without being able to know how it was built.Things like seeing inside the spars to know they are good before they are closed up..There is a reason why they FAA has the standards they do when it comes to building airplanes here... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Youngblood" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 12:45 PM Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant > > Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant > > > Just something about airplanes and cheap labor that don't seem like a good > > plan.Maybe I'm wrong,but atleast building I know what I've got.I would hate > > to see this nice little "HOME BUILT" go in this direction. > > Lots of RV builders are benefiting from Fast Build kits > that are constructed in the Phillipines. My understanding > is that they are shipped to the US in containers. > > I don't think "cheap labor" automaticly means "poor quality". > > I would bet that a majority of the components in your > PC/Monitor/TV etc are made with "cheap labor". > > I haven't been following this thread, but in general > the more KR's out there the better. Better statistics > on performance from a larger population sample, better > options for spare/replacement parts etc. Lots of good > things can come from this too... so it's not all bad. > > -- Ross > > > > -- > ____________________________________________ > http://www.operamail.com > Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year > > > Powered by Outblaze > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 145, Issue 2 *************************************