From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 9:43 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 149, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: assembly plant (larry severson) 2. Re: Winglets (larry severson) 3. RE: assembly plant (mailbox bob at mail.flyboybob.com) 4. Gathering Roll Call (Mark Jones) 5. Re: Gathering Roll Call (Jim Morehead) 6. Willie Wilson (larry flesner) 7. Re: Cowling- and foam problem (Joseph H Horton) 8. Re: Gathering Roll Call (Dennis Dyer) 9. Re: Cowling- and foam problem (bill kirkland) 10. Saturday lunch? (David Lininger) 11. KR kNOCKOFFS 12. foam problem (Dan Heath) 13. RE: assembly plant (Alexander Birca (MD/RMD)) 14. It's Friday...My factory:-) (Dana Overall) 15. Gathering Roll Call (john backer) 16. Factory (Colin) 17. Re: It's Friday...My factory:-) (Rick Human) 18. Re: It's Friday...My factory:-) (Dana Overall) 19. Pitot/static parts scrounge (mailbox bob at mail.flyboybob.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:48:56 -0700 From: larry severson To: KR builders and pilots Subject: RE: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030904144711.00bc3360@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 Hi Alex: You are giving away your age. That story was published 50 years ago. Great. It is the whole thesis of homebuilding. A There is one science fiction story about a team of scientist, they have a task to invent >some things impossible. The reason for this was a short movie with this >invention, but unfortunately his inventor crashed and dead. Nothing >remains, just a short move. While most of scientist spent all the time to >demonstrate this is impossible, a couple of them did that. >But not as in that movie, more expensive and not portable :-) When they >reported about their progress, they just say sorry, we could not create, >at list now, more portable and less expensive. What was the answer? Thanks >a lot! In reality there was nothing, the movie was a fiction, just for >though, noting more. Our hopes were for people as you, who will try >despite the fact that it is impossible. Not for those >scientist who know very good the theory and do not try to think may be >there is some thing wrong? Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 14:53:38 -0700 From: larry severson To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Winglets Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030904145010.02903e18@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 2 f/wing extension will clearly reduce both wing loading in lbs/ft2 and safe G loading. It affects lifting capability and stall speed. The Corvair adds weight over the VW. To get the same stall/approach speeds for a given payload, you need more wing. At 08:35 AM 9/4/2003 -0400, you wrote: >what effect would 2 ft/wing extension combined with the xx46 >modifaction >have on a standard length kr 2 sporting a corvair? > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:50:14 -0400 From: "mailbox bob at mail.flyboybob.com" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Dana, The idea of seeing you naked in the street comes under the heading of too much information! I don't think I'm wired for that much input. Please give fair warning to those of us with sensitive dispositions so that we don't get overloaded with the rush of input as we watch your dance. Now that the disclaimer is completed, I might add that I would be willing to put a pile of money behind your bet. Regards, Bob Lee ______________________________ N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 30024 91% done only 51% to go! Phone/Fax: 770/844-7501 mailto:bob@flyboybob.com http://flyboybob.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dana Overall Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 4:24 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant RV, the general has done so little homework you would probably spend more time in doing so than he has done in preparation for his post. General, we really are not bashing for the sake of bashing it is just so painfully obvious you have not done a bit of homework. Man, if you can do this for less than a couple million (look an Lancair, it almost sent them into bankruptcy) and in less than 5 years I'll make a promise...............Upon reaching youjr 1st. year in operation anniversary, I'll dance naked in the street in front of your airplane factory until I get thrown in a Mexican jail. Anybody care to join me and make a kanga line?? Dana Overall Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: Ronevogt@aol.com >Reply-To: KR builders and pilots >To: krnet@mylist.net >Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant >Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 14:53:25 EDT > >Netters; > My room mate from flight school is now a colonel in the USMC. I >can check, through him, so see if "The General" was really in the >Corps, or if he was a phony. Anyone interested? > >RV >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:02:05 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Subject: KR>Gathering Roll Call Message-ID: <004001c37340$f17b59c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 47 guys have responded saying they will be at the gathering and of = those, 8 wives will be coming along. I can not believe this is all that = will be there. If you are going to the gathering and have not spoken up, = please do so. Also...who is flying in a KR other than Jim F, Chris G, = Owen M (hopefully), Steve B, Marti R, Mike G. ??? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 17:12:22 -0700 From: Jim Morehead To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Gathering Roll Call Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004001c37340$f17b59c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 on 9/4/03 5:02 PM, Mark Jones at flykr2s@wi.rr.com wrote: > 47 guys have responded saying they will be at the gathering and of > those, 8 wives will be coming along. I can not believe this is all > that will be there. If you are going to the gathering and have not > spoken up, please do so. Also...who is flying in a KR other than Jim > F, Chris G, Owen M (hopefully), Steve B, Marti R, Mike G. ??? > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html Netters I will be at the Gathering, I had to get my "Jury Duty" postponed. Will bring Construction Pictures. Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 19:33:09 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Willie Wilson Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030904193309.0081a610@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <001001c372fe$c16fb8d0$9e001e43@greenhome2a1> References: <01C36EF3.4A613A20@AUDIO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 Netters, Someone recently asked if Willie Wilson was going to be at the Gathering. I don't think Willie would mind if I included a portion of a personal e-mail I received from him today. I've clipped out the personal parts and hope you will enjoy the story of a recent flight he planned with his friend Dave Mullin, a retired police officer and builder and flyer of a KR 2 which he sold after loosing his medical. I believe the current owner of Dave's KR may be a member of the net. Dave also attended one of the Gatherings in Kentucky. Those of you that have met Willie at past Gathering will appreciate his story telling. Larry Flesner +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hi Larry Are you all ready to fly the KR to Red Oak? Now that the time is approaching I wish we were able to come but instead I am bashing the ivories preparing to entertain the guest at my nephews wedding. My sister Mary, [have I ever mentioned Mary before?] has agreed to help share the load and play the piano/organ for a little while too. She's absolutely wonderful. Only last week Dave Mullin and I were to rendezvous at a country airport to partake of a cup of tea in proper and dignified English manner. That means he was paying! Me being just an uncultured Scot, a barbarian from the north, was happy to accept. His micro-light is a mite slower than a Kr so I was not surprise that the apron was bare when I taxied in. No T 2 day! Engine seized! Dave announced my mobile phone. What a lame excuse! I would have to buy my own tea! Dave described the scene graphically especially the sudden loud silenced. Cindy, had less to say!! I hurried back and helped de-rig the machine and return it to the hangar. The engine [a two stroke] is on its way back to Italy already. Fortunately, it is still under warranty, but not good for confidence as his is the third one this year in the UK to seize after just 70 hrs. Dave is not TOO worried as he has already taken delivery of another type of [a Kit] which has a decent four stroke engine! ( Willie ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:18:49 -0400 From: Joseph H Horton To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Cowling- and foam problem Message-ID: <20030904.211849.-423151.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 I have a KR-2S cowl from Rand - Robinson that I will probaly offer up for sale in the next couple months. I'm in the process of pulling a mold off it to make one out of carbon fiber. The fit and finish is OK but I felt the weight was not acceptable with the corvair under the hood. Yes it does fit around a corvair with plenty of room. I'm having a little trouble shaping my wing foam. I followed the instructions by installing 1" foam over 2" ribs in the sections between spars. I had both wings sanded down to finial shape and came back the next day and the foam panels between the ribs had bowed up. I sanded to shape again which thins the foam panel down. Came back again the next day with humps in the panels. I'm at the point now that I don't want to thin the foam any more so I added bulk peices of foam scraps to the under side insde the wing to stiffen the panels before I sand them again hoping that it stabilizes the foam panels. I don't have the problem in the leading edge panels or the trailing ege panel, but they are thicker- more like 1 1/2" to 2" thick. The other factor that may be at work is the hanger is not insulated and drops to the upper 60's at night and some days into the 90's. Anyone else ever have anything like this happen to them? Or any thoughts? I can hardly wait to learn the sanding song. Would it sound ok with banjo backup cause I cann't play the guitar? Looking forward to meeting everyone in 6 days. Thanks -- Joe Horton On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:42:55 EDT Goreebethray@aol.com writes: > I do not personally know about a new engine cowling from R.R. I am > thinking > about buying one for my KR2S. I do have a cowling for a KR2. It > has an air > inlet at the bottom center location. I did split it top and bottom > to widen it > to make a cowling for my KR2S. It could be fiberglassed to > reattach. If I > can't find a new or used cowling, I will make you a good deal on the > one that I > have. Ray Goree ( goreebethray@aol.com) > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:41:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Dennis Dyer To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Gathering Roll Call Message-ID: <20030905014153.8A54F4125@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Mark, I plan to drive in late Thursday. Dennis Dyer Pine, CO --- "Mark Jones" wrote: >47 guys have responded saying they will be at the gathering and of those, 8 wives will be coming along. I can not believe this is all that will be there. If you are going to the gathering and have not spoken up, please do so. Also...who is flying in a KR other than Jim F, Chris G, Owen M (hopefully), Steve B, Marti R, Mike G. ??? > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) >Wales, WI USA >E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _____________________________________________________________ Get your free e-mail address http://www.mtnguy.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:00:56 -0400 From: "bill kirkland" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Cowling- and foam problem Message-ID: <002201c37351$90c6d1c0$02488a3f@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> References: <20030904.211849.-423151.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Joe; I'm also doing my wings and have a similar problem. The panels scallop when sanded. bothe the main panel and the leading edge. I also did what ur doing. Cut 1" x1" strips of foam and glued them to the spars between the ribs and will glue the 1" panel to the ribs and the supports. The problem is that when you press on the sanding board the panel depresses and is level but it pops back up as soon as you take the sanding board off. The other solution is to build them the way Mark langford does. ie shape the inside of the panel then fiberglass it, then put the panel in place and sand the top side. see Marks web site. ps. my sanding board is a 7' length of rectangular plastic drain pipe covered with the sandpaper that comes in a roll. works fine. Let me know how you make out. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND wkirkland@rogers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph H Horton" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 9:18 PM Subject: Re: KR>Cowling- and foam problem > I have a KR-2S cowl from Rand - Robinson that I will probaly offer up for > sale in the next couple months. I'm in the process > of pulling a mold off it to make one out of carbon fiber. The fit and > finish is OK but I felt the weight was not acceptable with the corvair > under the hood. Yes it does fit around a corvair with plenty of room. > I'm having a little trouble shaping my wing foam. I followed the > instructions by installing 1" foam over 2" ribs in the sections between > spars. I had both wings sanded down to finial shape and came back the > next day and the foam panels between the ribs had bowed up. I sanded to > shape again which thins the foam panel down. Came back again the next day > with humps in the panels. I'm at the point now that I don't want to thin > the foam any more so I added bulk peices of foam scraps to the under side > insde the wing to stiffen the panels before I sand them again hoping that > it stabilizes the foam panels. I don't have the problem in the leading > edge panels or the trailing ege panel, but they are thicker- more like 1 > 1/2" to 2" thick. The other factor that may be at work is the hanger is > not insulated and drops to the upper 60's at night and some days into the > 90's. > Anyone else ever have anything like this happen to them? Or any > thoughts? > I can hardly wait to learn the sanding song. Would it sound ok with banjo > backup cause I cann't play the guitar? > Looking forward to meeting everyone in 6 days. > Thanks -- Joe Horton > > On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:42:55 EDT Goreebethray@aol.com writes: > > I do not personally know about a new engine cowling from R.R. I am > > thinking > > about buying one for my KR2S. I do have a cowling for a KR2. It > > has an air > > inlet at the bottom center location. I did split it top and bottom > > to widen it > > to make a cowling for my KR2S. It could be fiberglassed to > > reattach. If I > > can't find a new or used cowling, I will make you a good deal on the > > one that I > > have. Ray Goree ( goreebethray@aol.com) > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 21:59:42 -0500 From: David Lininger To: "KR Net" Subject: KR>Saturday lunch? Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030904215711.00a896b0@mail.positech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 Will the ladies from the church be providing a lunch again this year? If so, will it be free-will offering as last year or a set fee? My niece and her husband want to come out from Omaha for a while on Saturday. No, they aren't builders, (yet) but do want to see what might be interesting. I'm hoping that they will be brave enough to go for a ride. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 04:21:19 EDT From: SRMAKISH@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>KR kNOCKOFFS Message-ID: <187.1ec0a3c9.2c89a17f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Hi guys, Steve here. Let me put my 2 cents worth about a mass produced KR. Years ago there was an all fiberglass version of a Kr called the GB 2 ( I believe). Only one existed and It came apart in a high speed pass at the first Kr fly in at Santa Rosa Ca. I was there. Brad Hummel and his girl friend were making a 230 mph pass into a gusting Santa Ana wind. Post crash showed aileron flutter and then canopy failure and the main spar broke on the right side at the fuselage point due to lack of stiffness in this area. The airplane was built in 30 days from start to finish. So, be very careful with any major mods to the plans and pie in the sky dream figures. This is all available for your reading in one of the early news letters buy Ernest Koppe. Regards, Steve PS. As we were standing there watching, this whole event took place in about 3 seconds. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 05:04:22 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: KR>foam problem Message-ID: <3F585196.000003.03344@Computer> References: <002201c37351$90c6d1c0$02488a3f@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 12 Try using the 2" pink foam. It is stiffer and easier to sand. That yell= ow 1" stuff is very difficult to work with for that application. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:01:26 PM=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: Re: KR>Cowling- and foam problem=0D =0D Joe; I'm also doing my wings and have a similar problem. The panels scall= op=0D when sanded. bothe the main panel and the leading edge. The problem is=0D that when you press on the sanding board the panel depresses and is level= =0D but it pops back up as soon as you take the sanding board off.=20From DanRH@alltel.net Fri Sep 05 02:25:30 2003 Received: from mta02.alltel.net ([166.102.165.144] helo=mta02-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19vCqQ-0004Xh-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 02:25:30 -0700 Received: from Computer ([151.213.88.254]) by mta02-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20030905092728.HTYY4713.mta02-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 04:27:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3F585708.000009.03344@Computer> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 05:27:36 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: <001001c372fe$c16fb8d0$9e001e43@greenhome2a1> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: KR>eBay 85 kr2 675tt Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: $4500 max assuming all instruments and other equipment are in good workin= g order. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: greenr2@earthlink.net; KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Thursday, September 04, 2003 12:08:18 PM=0D To: 'KR builders and pilots'=0D Subject: KR>eBay 85 kr2 675tt=0D =0D http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D242970443= 5=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom flesner@midwest.net Fri Sep 05 03:58:46 2003 Received: from epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.181]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19vEIg-00058l-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 03:58:46 -0700 Received: from dsc05-cir-oh-204-32-77-145.rasserver.net ([204.32.77.145] helo=larry-flesner) by epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19vEKa-0006th-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 04:00:44 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20030905055547.00817280@pop.midwest.net> X-Sender: flesner@pop.midwest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 05:55:47 -0500 To: KR builders and pilots From: larry flesner In-Reply-To: <3F585196.000003.03344@Computer> References: <002201c37351$90c6d1c0$02488a3f@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: KR>foam problem/wing X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: >Try using the 2" pink foam. It is stiffer and easier to sand. That yellow >1" stuff is very difficult to work with for that application. >Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It wouldn't hurt anything to use more ribs also or just run a single piece of foam between the ribs span-wise. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:29:28 +0200 From: "Alexander Birca (MD/RMD)" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: RE: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13 Hi Larry, thanks, but I am just 41 :-) May be already :-) BR, Alex Birca Moldova -----Original Message----- From: larry severson [mailto:larry2@socal.rr.com] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:49 AM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: RE: KR>assembly plant Hi Alex: You are giving away your age. That story was published 50 years ago. Great. It is the whole thesis of homebuilding. A There is one science fiction story about a team of scientist, they have a task to invent >some things impossible. The reason for this was a short movie with this >invention, but unfortunately his inventor crashed and dead. Nothing >remains, just a short move. While most of scientist spent all the time to >demonstrate this is impossible, a couple of them did that. >But not as in that movie, more expensive and not portable :-) When they >reported about their progress, they just say sorry, we could not create, >at list now, more portable and less expensive. What was the answer? Thanks >a lot! In reality there was nothing, the movie was a fiction, just for >though, noting more. Our hopes were for people as you, who will try >despite the fact that it is impossible. Not for those >scientist who know very good the theory and do not try to think may be >there is some thing wrong? Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 08:17:41 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>It's Friday...My factory:-) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14 Sorry general, subject line just a play on words. Since I just reformatted the hard drive on this computer I don't have all my software loaded so I can't take a pic today but this one shows one just for fun. I couldn't resist clecoing on the aft skins. I checked the canoe (Van's calls it a canoe, not a boat) as is using a smart level. Prepunched, out of the box, no jigs, sitting on false gear legs inserted in center carry through, without twist removing rear deck piece installed, the fuselage from front to back is 2/10 of a degree off. I put a bubble level on it and couldn't see the 2/10 so I'm going with the bubble level and saying it is dead on:-) Seriously, I don't know if I can clamp, drill and rivet to within 2/10 of a degree that twist deck piece.........but I'll try!! It has been two months tomorrow since I got my fuselage kit in a box. Now remember, this is the slow build. Heck when I sat in my fuselage for the first time last week, I felt like dancing naked in the shop.........all except for all those alum pubes all over the place:-) Isn't it amazing the little things that generate so much satisfaction as we get older?? Anyway, here is a shot of the factory assembly line. http://rvflying.tripod.com/fus5.jpg Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 07:27:11 -0500 From: "john backer" To: Subject: KR>Gathering Roll Call Message-ID: <00a701c373a9$08033100$884398d1@omnitelcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 15 My plan right now is to be there Friday and Saturday John Backer, Greene IowaFrom agate12@yahoo.com Fri Sep 05 06:11:44 2003 Received: from web40309.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.78.88]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19vGNM-0007Jp-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 06:11:44 -0700 Message-ID: <20030905131343.20135.qmail@web40309.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.18.187.76] by web40309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 06:13:43 PDT Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 06:13:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Aggie lewanda Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant To: KR builders and pilots In-Reply-To: <1e3.f5cbdac.2c87cc45@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Amen! Cut the guy some slack The KR net ain't USMC boot camp. You have broken down his dream, now, go to point 2 and build up his confidence in the possibility of doing great things. Dean Allen --- SALTMINES@aol.com wrote: > This...debate?...curiouser and curiouser. > > I've been an entrepreneur all of my life; ideas appear and then things are > made to happen, sometimes it is a great leap forward, sometimes it's like > tumbling down a hill. > > But it is movement, not static, and usually exciting as hell. > > I seem to be witnessing a bunch of gut reactions, little thought or > circumspection. > > Would certainly have expected better from dreamers that build their dreams > and make them happen. If you (the few, not all, responders to Gerald Locker) > had approached his seeming intrusion into the KR world as you would a technical > sticking point with a KR building procedure it would have been criticized a > little, analyzed a lot, and hopefully with or without a consensus there'd be no > harm, no foul. We'd all keep going forward. > > I'm aware that the initial post from the 'General' seemed somewhat naive in > several respects. I personally have to assume that he arrived here well > intentioned and probably expected to be welcomed in a spirit of camaraderie and > fellowship. He hasn't demonstrated any ill will; he has demonstrated a desire to > have a piece of the pie. . .and a desire to become more knowledgeable about > the KR. I think we all kind of are in that category. > > This list right now is the Mecca for KR builders, and rightly so. There is > more access here to real and varied knowledge of the KR then anywhere else that > I'm aware of. Where else should this man have gone.? > > Stephen Mines/KR2 > Saltmines@aol.com > > PS: At the ridiculous amount of money that I pay myself, this is a helluva > lot more than my 2 cents worth, but seemed right to say it. > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:36:20 -0400 From: "Colin" To: Subject: KR>Factory Message-ID: <002901c373bb$1310c2d0$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 16 I don't want to summarize thoughts and feelings for everyone here, but I = think it would be safe to say that the "general" (alittle tongue and = cheek humor) consensus of opinions are that Mr. Locker needs to study = Mark Langford's, Dan Heath's, and several other detailed sites to gather = necessary information, and save time by performing this research. Also = there are some very good videos sold by Wicks and Aircraft Spruce & = Supply that detail the ease of using fiberglass/wood combinations, and = so forth. In a roundabout way I have seen alot of builders actually = trying to help Mr. Locker keep from making very expensive mistakes = attempting to mass produce an aircraft that at least in its present = design does not lend itself to mass production. Having operated a small = business in Georgia for over 12 years, I have seen several good business = ideas that lacked preparation/research fail due to lack of business = knowledge and industry knowledge. My sincere advise for success for Mr. = Locker would be for him to invest several years working for someone else = building fiberglass aircraft parts, or complete aircraft and learn the = industry, the methods of construction for mass production, the = additional steps taken for safety of the finished product, testing = procedures, materials preservation, quality control, and liability = protection. Then I would recommend he study business, and how to = properly operate a small business with limited cashflow. Lastly I will = share a little antidote that a Safety Program Manager with the FAA = shared with me, "After having owned 3 aviation business, I can tell you = one thing. If you want to make a million dollars in aviation, start with = 3 million." Mr. Locker you will have to do this business for the love = of flying; profits will be few. You can help a great deal, but you need = to research these sites and information first. You didn't join the = Corps as a General, you had to be trained first; time to go to boot = camp.... Semper Fi Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From SALTMINES@aol.com Fri Sep 05 07:32:27 2003 Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.98]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19vHdT-0008jW-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 07:32:27 -0700 Received: from SALTMINES@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id g.48.21b6550b (25914); Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:34:15 -0400 (EDT) From: SALTMINES@aol.com Message-ID: <48.21b6550b.2c89f8e7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:34:15 EDT To: krnet@mylist.net CC: TheStarNav@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>KR2 for sale X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: All, There is a KR2 for sale on the Recycler at: http://recycler.com/asp/AdDetails.asp?iID=85503&sBAC=818&bSQ=0 Stephen Mines/KR2 Saltmines@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:29:15 -0500 From: "Rick Human" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>It's Friday...My factory:-) Message-ID: <005301c373c2$77c8e4d0$cbdfdacf@desktop> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 Dana - have you been keeping tabs on the hours invested to this point - be interested in what's its taken so far. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 7:17 AM Subject: KR>It's Friday...My factory:-) > Sorry general, subject line just a play on words. > > Since I just reformatted the hard drive on this computer I don't have all my > software loaded so I can't take a pic today but this one shows one just for > fun. I couldn't resist clecoing on the aft skins. I checked the canoe > (Van's calls it a canoe, not a boat) as is using a smart level. Prepunched, > out of the box, no jigs, sitting on false gear legs inserted in center carry > through, without twist removing rear deck piece installed, the fuselage from > front to back is 2/10 of a degree off. I put a bubble level on it and > couldn't see the 2/10 so I'm going with the bubble level and saying it is > dead on:-) Seriously, I don't know if I can clamp, drill and rivet to > within 2/10 of a degree that twist deck piece.........but I'll try!! > > It has been two months tomorrow since I got my fuselage kit in a box. Now > remember, this is the slow build. Heck when I sat in my fuselage for the > first time last week, I felt like dancing naked in the shop.........all > except for all those alum pubes all over the place:-) Isn't it amazing the > little things that generate so much satisfaction as we get older?? > > Anyway, here is a shot of the factory assembly line. > > http://rvflying.tripod.com/fus5.jpg > > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 12:28:32 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>It's Friday...My factory:-) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 18 >From: "Rick Human" >Dana - have you been keeping tabs on the hours invested to this point - be >interested in what's its taken so far. I'm a little over 400 hours of shop time right now. That includes the emp. wings and fuselage to this point. I've got probably 20 hours of glass work to do on the wings and emp. I should be finished with the fuselage in about two weeks then I'll start mounting the emp and mating the wings. At that point I start installing the pitot/static systems and start running brake lines and fuel lines. I keep it on file using Kitlog Pro. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Use custom emotions -- try MSN Messenger 6.0! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:45:32 -0400 From: "mailbox bob at mail.flyboybob.com" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Pitot/static parts scrounge Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 Netters, Does anyone know where I can locate a used AN5814-12? It's a 12VDC heated pitot/static probe. Looking at Aircraft Spruce has given me sticker shock, they want $495 for a new one. That's double what they were a couple of years ago! Regards, Bob Lee ______________________________ 3380 Ashton Drive Suwanee, GA 30024 Cell: (404) 538-1427 Phone: (770) 844-7511 Fax: (770) 844-7501 mailto:bob@flyboybob.com http://flyboybob.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 149, Issue 1 *************************************