From: krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 151, Issue 2 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: KR 4 sale (Clancey D Krumwiede) 2. voltmeter 3. Re: New Photos (Mark Jones) 4. RE: voltmeter (mailbox bob at mail.flyboybob.com) 5. metallic paint and antennas (Mark Langford) 6. Re: New Photos (Justin) 7. Re: New Photos (Mark Jones) 8. RE: compu fire (Jim Faughn) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 09:01:40 -0500 From: Clancey D Krumwiede To: krnet@mylist.net Cc: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>KR 4 sale Message-ID: <20030907.090140.3112.0.red-bridge@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 All- And I thought this was a forum to answer questions about building KRs and share information. Personally, I don't have time to sort through everyone's personal comments. That goes for people on BOTH sides of this discussion. Unless you have a really crappy e-mail server, you DO have the option of responding directly to the author of a message. As a favor to this time strapped newbie builder, I would humbly ask that everyone please consider if the message they are about to post is really necessary, or if perhaps it is best directed to a specific individual. This seems to be a simple courtesy to others. Patiently waiting to start building, ( and now expecting to be "flammed"), Keith C. Kruimwiede Rosedale, IN On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 07:48:07 -0600 (Mountain Standard Time) "gleone" writes: > Bill, > > You have no need to apologize to these people. Too many of them > take > themselves far, far too seriously when nobody else does. I'm sure > their > projects are so perfect and totally without flaw that they have > earned the > right to sit at the right hand of God himself. Now, for the rest of > you > critics sitting out there, let me tell you a little story about > myself. > > I used to be very much like you, then on August 6, 1989, my whole > life > changed. I had been recently baptized a Christian and was pointing > my > finger at other Christians and their mistakes. Unless you're a > roper, you > will have at least three fingers pointing back at you when you point > at > someone else. Being an amateur radio operator living in Cheyenne, > Wyoming, > at the time, I got on the emergency weather net due to a major > thunderstorm > rolling into Cheyenne at the time. It was very electrical and > dropped > nearly 3 inches of rain and small hail in about 20 minutes. To read > the > rain gauge, I had to go outside. There were constant flashes of > lightening > and an endless roll of thunder. In a moment of pure genius, I > thought, "I'd > better disconnect my radio station before it gets hit by > lightening." While > holding the coax in my left hand, my right hand was on my very well > grounded > Drake TR-4 and my feet on the cement floor of the basement. The > next thing > I remembered was waking up some 15 feet from where I'd been > standing, numb > and temporally paralyzed, lying on the floor looking up at the > ceiling > wondering if I were dead or alive. After a few moments, I was able > to pick > myself up and realized I really was alive. I stopped taking myself > seriously and living solely for myself at that point and began > living only > for others. > > Now, if you're wondering what this has to do with Bill and his KR he > sold, > and sold for a price that was reasonable for both him and the buyer, > here it > is. Visit your local Ace Hardware store. Buy an Ace all metal > kite, a long > fine spool of wire and wait for the next thunderstorm to come > rolling > through to fly it. It couldn't hurt. In some of your cases, it > could only > help. Don't take yourselves so seriously: Nobody else does. > > -------Original Message------- > > From: KR builders and pilots > Date: Saturday, September 06, 2003 23:16:39 > To: KR builders and pilots > Subject: Re: KR>KR 4 sale > > the kr is sold so i will let you think what ever you > want. people like you are always right so i will tell > you that your right and that i am sorry i steped on > you toes. > > > > > --- Colin wrote: > > William, > > It is for sale and therefore out in the open to be > > evaluated; that is what people do in order to buy > > it. > > I don't want to sound antagonistic, but if it is > > such a chariot, why are you selling it? > > > > The original retracts are known for problems, are a > > bad design to try to retract them on climbout, while > > maintaining aircraft control, and any paint job that > > is $300 is an Earl Schibe/Maco special, that will be > > thin, heavy, low quality paint that will not last. > > Several KR netters have reported prices for their > > prep work prior to painting where they have invested > > more than that, and they furnished their own labor! > > If I am not mistaken Larry Flesner reported spending > > nearly that much on super fill and primer alone. I > > am sure that you are very proud of your airplane, > > and you have put into it alot of hard work. But > > aircraft, specifically homebuilts are not like used > > cars, that start at a base price because everything > > appears to work. Several netters including myself > > have bought new 0 time airframes complete for what > > you are asking for an older airplane that does not > > have some of the later refinements and improvements. > > I am sure that at some point there will be someone > > who agrees with your assessment of its value. Dan > > Heath stated what he thought an appropriate value of > > it was and I merely agreed with him, and stated why. > > I did not intend on offending you, nor insulting > > you. But your reaction does leave something to be > > desired to sway my opinion in your direction. > > However, as always this is my opinion, and I stand > > corrected by anyone who performs an inspection in > > person and finds me to be wrong... > > Colin Rainey KR2(td) > > crainey1@cfl.rr.com > > Sanford, Florida > > FLY > > > SAFE!!!!_______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > . > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 10:25:18 EDT From: JStephenz@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>voltmeter Message-ID: <37.3d9f10db.2c8c99ce@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Can anyone tell me if my charging system is supposed to be running at 11.7 volts and if this could cause the compufire to run poorly? I just bought Deans Selbys kr2 and am trying to learn the ropes. Thanks Joel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 09:51:36 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>New Photos Message-ID: <001d01c3754f$89ff9340$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <009101c374e3$97e56fa0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <006501c3756d$0f0ef770$d1d91818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Justin, Yes that is the fuel pump. There will be a small hump there on the cowl. For intakes, check my link: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/intake.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 1:22 PM Subject: Re: KR>New Photos > Looking good, glad to see a corvair. I have a few questions for you. > What is > that thing towards the firewall, maybe the fuel pump? > Steve Makish made his own intake (i think it was him) for the > corvair. Correct me if im wrong though, I remember looking at some > photo's of a corviar with home made intake that welding the intake > tubes from the firewall side of the engine down to the carb on the > bottom. I can't seem to > find the link though. > Justin > N116JW > www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "KR Net" ; "Corvaircraft" > > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:58 PM > Subject: KR>New Photos > > > I have been working on my cowl and have posted new photos on the > "Photo of the Week" page. Here is the link: > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/photo.html > I pulled the cowl from a mold and then cut out the sections which did > not fit my set up. My firewall is a little wider than the stock > firewall. After > I cut out the sections, I then filled with foam and sanded to shape. > The photos tell the story. > > Hoping to make Red Oak....it's questionable right now. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 11:44:10 -0400 From: "mailbox bob at mail.flyboybob.com" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>voltmeter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <37.3d9f10db.2c8c99ce@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Joel, Your charging system needs to run between 13.2 and 13.8 volts. Otherwise you will not be changing the battery back to full charge. The exact voltage depends on the type of battery. What RPM are you at with your 11.7 volt reading? At idle the alternator does not put out sufficient current to properly regulate the voltage. Is your battery fully charged (what voltage unloaded)? What electrical items are running when you read 11.7 volts? Have you checked the AC input voltage to you regulator? Let us know a little more and we can give you better suggestions. Regards, Bob Lee ______________________________ N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 30024 91% done only 51% to go! Phone/Fax: 770/844-7501 mailto:bob@flyboybob.com http://flyboybob.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of JStephenz@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 10:25 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>voltmeter Can anyone tell me if my charging system is supposed to be running at 11.7 volts and if this could cause the compufire to run poorly? I just bought Deans Selbys kr2 and am trying to learn the ropes. Thanks Joel _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 11:24:02 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>metallic paint and antennas Message-ID: <00e801c3755c$73276af0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 NetHeads, I'm about to paint my airplane, and really want to paint the top silver, including vertical stab, where the com antenna lives in the leading edge. I know that it's not recommended to use metallic paint over the top of an antenna, but I'm wondering if anybody's done it and either A) got away with minimal degradation of radio performance or B) did it and and proved why you're not supposed to do it. Any real-life experiences out there? Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 22:02:57 -0500 From: "Justin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>New Photos Message-ID: <000b01c375b5$b4ac58b0$d1d91818@computer> References: <009101c374e3$97e56fa0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <006501c3756d$0f0ef770$d1d91818@computer> <001d01c3754f$89ff9340$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 On the intake does anyone know if it hurts the performance of the engine if you mount the intake tubes from the rear. Instead of welding onto the top, I seen someone's pictures whcih they made the intake go strait back and down. Justin N116JW www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 9:51 AM Subject: Re: KR>New Photos > Justin, > Yes that is the fuel pump. There will be a small hump there on the > cowl. For > intakes, check my link: > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/intake.html > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin" > To: "KR builders and pilots" > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: KR>New Photos > > > > Looking good, glad to see a corvair. I have a few questions for you. What > is > > that thing towards the firewall, maybe the fuel pump? > > Steve Makish made his own intake (i think it was him) for the corvair. > > Correct me if im wrong though, I remember looking at some photo's of > > a corviar with home made intake that welding the intake tubes from > > the firewall side of the engine down to the carb on the bottom. I > > can't seem > to > > find the link though. > > Justin > > N116JW > > www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Jones" > > To: "KR Net" ; "Corvaircraft" > > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:58 PM > > Subject: KR>New Photos > > > > > > I have been working on my cowl and have posted new photos on the > > "Photo of > > the Week" page. Here is the link: > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/photo.html > > I pulled the cowl from a mold and then cut out the sections which > > did not > > fit my set up. My firewall is a little wider than the stock > > firewall. > After > > I cut out the sections, I then filled with foam and sanded to shape. > > The photos tell the story. > > > > Hoping to make Red Oak....it's questionable right now. > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 12:25:05 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>New Photos Message-ID: <005b01c37564$fb239b60$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <009101c374e3$97e56fa0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <006501c3756d$0f0ef770$d1d91818@computer> <001d01c3754f$89ff9340$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> <000b01c375b5$b4ac58b0$d1d91818@computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 The Engineers at GM placed the intake openings in the best position per their research. It is very doubtful they just liked the location of the opening and said "lets put it here". There have been many modifications to the intake logs to reduce the height of the intake pipe for aircraft use.. The best method is to mill the intake base down to the log and weld your intake in position. I think Mark Langford did this. William also had a neat arrangement on his Pietenpol. Of all of the mods, all that I have seen work successfully had left the opening in the intake logs just where GM put them. After all, this gives you the best distribution of fuel to each cylinder. Just my 2 cents worth. Working on the bottom half of my cowl.... Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 10:02 PM Subject: Re: KR>New Photos > On the intake does anyone know if it hurts the performance of the > engine if > you mount the intake tubes from the rear. Instead of welding onto the > top, I > seen someone's pictures whcih they made the intake go strait back and down. > > Justin > N116JW > www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "KR builders and pilots" > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 9:51 AM > Subject: Re: KR>New Photos > > > > Justin, > > Yes that is the fuel pump. There will be a small hump there on the > > cowl. > For > > intakes, check my link: > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/intake.html > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Justin" > > To: "KR builders and pilots" > > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 1:22 PM > > Subject: Re: KR>New Photos > > > > > > > Looking good, glad to see a corvair. I have a few questions for > > > you. > What > > is > > > that thing towards the firewall, maybe the fuel pump? > > > Steve Makish made his own intake (i think it was him) for the > corvair. > > > Correct me if im wrong though, I remember looking at some photo's > > > of a corviar with home made intake that welding the intake tubes > > > from the firewall side of the engine down to the carb on the > > > bottom. I can't seem > > to > > > find the link though. > > > Justin > > > N116JW > > > www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Mark Jones" > > > To: "KR Net" ; "Corvaircraft" > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:58 PM > > > Subject: KR>New Photos > > > > > > > > > I have been working on my cowl and have posted new photos on the "Photo > of > > > the Week" page. Here is the link: > > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/photo.html > > > I pulled the cowl from a mold and then cut out the sections which > > > did > not > > > fit my set up. My firewall is a little wider than the stock > > > firewall. > > After > > > I cut out the sections, I then filled with foam and sanded to > > > shape. The > > > photos tell the story. > > > > > > Hoping to make Red Oak....it's questionable right now. > > > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > > Wales, WI USA > > > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 13:54:31 -0500 From: "Jim Faughn" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: RE: KR>compu fire Message-ID: <010e01c37571$7964a8a0$74476ad8@jfaughn> In-Reply-To: <6b.187bfbec.2c8c03e3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 Go to my web site and click on the top link on the right side for the KR. This will take you to how I time my compufire and explain why. Jim Faughn 4323D Laclede Ave. St. Louis, MO 63108 (314)652-7659 Email - sub @ for "at" jfaughn "at" socket.net Web Site http://jfaughn.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of JStephenz@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 10:46 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>compu fire Can anyone tell me how to time a rough running compufire? I had a lose spark wire but that only solved part of the problem, it misses even at 2700 rpms. I am have trouble getting tail dragger endorsed because my instructor wont fly w/ one ignition system. _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 151, Issue 2 *************************************