From: krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 152, Issue 2 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Update on Cowling (Mark Jones) 2. Re: Red Oak weather (bill kirkland) 3. RE: Update on Cowling (larry severson) 4. Re: Building a KR2 (bill kirkland) 5. RE: assembly plant (Serge F. Vidal) 6. RE: Building a KR2 (Serge F. Vidal) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 10:44:32 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: Subject: KR>RE: Update on Cowling Message-ID: <006901c37620$1a18a680$1b65a8c0@insp4100> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 Dan and others who have asked for more info on my cowl construction = process, I have added text to help describe what I have done. Check the = link at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/cowl.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) flykr2s@wi.rr.comFrom bob@flyboybob.com Mon Sep 08 09:01:54 2003 Received: from mail.support1.net ([65.39.203.11]) by lizard.esosoft.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19wOSg-000OT8-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 09:01:54 -0700 Received: (qmail 20523 invoked by uid 399); 8 Sep 2003 16:03:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bubba9) (68.67.110.198) by mail.support1.net with SMTP; 8 Sep 2003 16:03:47 -0000 From: "mailbox bob at mail.flyboybob.com" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>RE: Update on Cowling Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 12:05:08 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006901c37620$1a18a680$1b65a8c0@insp4100> X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Mark, Your update was great. I'm about at the same stage with my cowl. I'm going to use your suggestion of sheet rock mud. I used a dry micro slurry and it was a disaster. In your text descriptions you mentioned that you were going to put on two layers of glass then pop the cowl off and put on two more layers on the inside. Why are you not putting all four layers of glass on the outside of the mold before you pop the cowl off? Regards, Bob Lee ______________________________ N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 30024 91% done only 51% to go! Phone/Fax: 770/844-7501 mailto:bob@flyboybob.com http://flyboybob.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Mark Jones Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:45 AM To: KRnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>RE: Update on Cowling Dan and others who have asked for more info on my cowl construction process, I have added text to help describe what I have done. Check the link at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/cowl.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) flykr2s@wi.rr.com_______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 12:19:37 -0400 From: "bill kirkland" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Red Oak weather Message-ID: <002d01c37625$0098fe80$02488a3f@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20030905180002.007c4280@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Larry; Keep the wx rpts coming pse. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND wkirkland@rogers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 7:00 PM Subject: KR>Red Oak weather > > > Red Oak travelers, > > I just checked the 7 day forcast for Red Oak on the NOAA site and they > are calling for "chance of showers and T-storms on Wed and Thurs with > partly cloudy on Friday. That "chance of rain" is forcasted for > southern Illinois on Friday so it looks to be setting up for a repeat > of last year for Mark Langford and I as we dodged rainshowers for the > first hour of the flight to Red Oak in the Tripacer. Being an > optimist I'm betting that if there is a "chance" of rain there is also > a chance it won't rain. With a little luck we could have a GREAT > weekend. I'll probably be checking hourly starting Monday! :-) > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 10:01:59 -0700 From: larry severson To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>RE: Update on Cowling Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030908095450.0282ea68@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: References: <006901c37620$1a18a680$1b65a8c0@insp4100> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 I have watched expert drywallers. They take that dry powder and rapidly whip to to the optimum consistency and swipe it onto the wall beautifully. I can not do that. For me, the best way is to go down to Home Depot and buy a box of pre-mixed "Topping Mix" ( the most easily sanded of the mixes), apply it as carefully (a mess) as I can, and then, just as it starts to set up, hit it with a wet, small poor sponge. The wet sponge at the end saves me a great deal of sanding. Unfortunately, again, I am not good enough at the practice to avoid all of the sanding. Avoid the "Jointing Mix" at all costs, unless you just love a difficult time sanding the final product. At 12:05 PM 9/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Mark, > >Your update was great. I'm about at the same stage with my cowl. I'm >going to use your suggestion of sheet rock mud. I used a dry micro >slurry and it was a disaster. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:02:45 -0400 From: "bill kirkland" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Building a KR2 Message-ID: <00dc01c3762b$09ce6b60$02488a3f@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030908081438.02400e98@pop.qut.edu.au> <012101c37590$6550a430$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Mark; The instruments on my 150 are calibrated in Roman Numerals W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND wkirkland@rogers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 6:35 PM Subject: Re: KR>Building a KR2 M://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 10:34:25 +0100 From: "Serge F. Vidal" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: RE: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: <000101c37629$bef0ba90$2c0101c0@ate.com> In-Reply-To: <20030906004556.85397.qmail@web40311.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 "The General's army of Mexicans" In French, we call a "Mexican Army" an army that has got more generals than soldiers, or by extension, any organization with more bosses than workers. Serge Vidal Tunis, Tunisia -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Aggie lewanda Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 1:46 AM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant O.K. Fellows, Most of you have given the good General a proper dressing down several times over now. I have a revision to his business plan to propose. 1. Clients buy plans from R. R. & the widow makes a decent living. 2. Gen. Locker sets up his KR factory near a resort such as acapulco or Puerto Villarta. 3. Clients fly into Mexico and check into a good hotel near the factory. They "work" 8 hours a day along side the General's army of Mexicans (who do all the stoop work such as sanding.) The General provides cheap Mexican parts. Don't they still make VW bugs in Mexico? Isn't drift wood as strong as spruce? 4. Clients save a lot of money on this fast build program. That savings almost covers the cost of Tequila and Senioritas. (You were wondering what they were doing the other 16 hours in a day?) 5. The client flies off his required 40 hours by pulling tourists in parachutes. After all, isn't a KR as good as a motor boat for this? 6. The client, who built more than 51%, can then cross country the thing home. No, KR's usually don't get over 14,000 feet but the General's custom oxygen system is great for recovering from the Tequila hangover. All this ought to take about 60 days in Mexico and cost around ten grand more than building a KR at home in the garage. (Not counting the cost of tequila and senioritas) ;-|}. Anybody got a better idea? Regards, Dean Allen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 11:13:28 +0100 From: "Serge F. Vidal" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: RE: KR>Building a KR2 Message-ID: <000301c37629$cddff890$2c0101c0@ate.com> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030908081438.02400e98@pop.qut.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 My 2 cents worth as an historian: They could not throw the imperial system overboard with the tea in Boston, 'cause we, Frenchmen, had not invented the scientific replacement yet. The Metric system came only with OUR revolution, only a few years down the line. Of couse, later, the Metric system was made the basis of the International System of Measures, and is therefore, today, the ONLY system with international recognition (even the British have discarded the Imperial Body Parts system). Alas, at the end of WWII, aviation in the Western world has to regress to US standards. But the Russian world abides the IS system, ant their aircraft fly altitudes in meters, and speeds in kilometers per hour. I got my microlight licence in a Russian built Aviatika "Baby Mig" that was just like that... and I had to think fast in the air to convert! Now, while waiting for a Federal miracle Do as I do, get yourself a nice piece of converter software. ;-) Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Tunis, Tunisia -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Fraser McGregor Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 11:20 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Building a KR2 Thanks Colin for that advice - yes I have been looking at the web sites - all very interesting. As I live in Australia - also known as God's Great Garden - I might just have to pass on the gathering, but thanks for the offer - the old C172 won't go that far. I just wish all you guys would give your measurements in real terms, ie millimeters, kg, Newtons, etc, instead of these ancient english imperial things. Pity you didn' t throw the imperial system overboard with the tea in Boston, all those years ago! Makes my head ache, having to do the conversions. (Please note - last para is my attempt at humour :-)) At 09:39 AM 7/09/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Fraser, >You said: >Hi - I am new to this net, so bear with me please! I am looking for a >suitable plane to build, and the KR2 of KR2S seems to fit the bill for >me so far. Do the current plans available have these later refinements >and improvements that you mentioned,? If not, is there a source of >these, or is it simply that these refinements etc are what individuals >have done to their planes while building them? To answer your question, >please do not think that I am the authority here, as there are some >long time builders that have way more knowledge of this aircraft than >I. I guess I just tend to be alittle more vocal! HaHa. The KR2 is a >wonderful airplane, but a new builder should not consider the older KR2 >without including the "S" supplement. If you will "cruise" over to the >KRnet construction site and search through the archives, you will find >a HUGE amount of information on modifications and improvements that >builders have made to this little plane. Also, lots of builders' sites >have great ideas and improvements that they have made to overcome >different building challenges that they have experienced. The KR2S >plans are reported to be the clearest and easiest to use, as well as >the supplement including the refinements of re-enforced firewall for >larger powerplants, and longer fuselage. Mark Langford's site talks >about several good refinements and hiper links you to other sources of >additional studies and mods. The original KR2 had a neat idea for >retracts, but over the years, virtually every builder with them has >done away with them in favor of a less drag inducing well faired fixed >gear, or some other version of retract (Loehle Replicas has a good >system that swing inboard, but requires alot of work to fit onto a >KR2). Also you cannot forget to put the gear down on fixed gear! I >had a student recently, over 300 hour pilot take me down an instrument >approach in a twin engine aircraft and forget the landing gear, all the >way down to 400 AGL when I took over and lowered the gear. If he had >been solo that would have been an expensive mistake. What I recommend >is for you to take several afternoons and read through the different >builder websites and finished aircraft, and learn all you can from the >ones out there building, or flying. They know what is working for >them, and will save you literally hundreds of hours trying to solve >problems. Then when you have questions, and you can't find the answer >in the archives, ask it here. Go to the Gathering this year and look >at the KR2, and KR2S up close and compare. I am told the materials >cost is virtually the same, and you will be much happier with the plane >when it is complete. Any other builders' thoughts please don't >hesitate to chime in here.... :) > > >Colin Rainey KR2(td) >crainey1@cfl.rr.com >Sanford, Florida >FLY SAFE!!!!_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 152, Issue 2 *************************************