From: krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 7:05 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 152, Issue 3 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: RE: Update on Cowling (Bob Stone) 2. Red Oak weather (larry flesner) 3. weather reports (larry flesner) 4. weather reports (larry flesner) 5. Re: Re: KR>rudder pedals (Brian Kraut) 6. Re: Re: KR>rudder pedals (Brian Kraut) 7. Re: Re: KR>rudder pedals (Dan Heath) 8. Re: RE: Update on Cowling (Mark Jones) 9. Re: RE: Update on Cowling (Mark Jones) 10. Re: weather reports 11. Metric vs imperial (Fraser McGregor) 12. Re: RE: Update on Cowling (Mark Jones) 13. Re: Red Oak weather 14. fly past Michigan 15. Fw: Two True Stories (Ron Eason) 16. RE: KR2 Project for sale in Canada (Darren Pond) 17. RE: Re: KR>rudder pedals (Ron Freiberger) 18. RE: Fw: Two True Stories (Ron Freiberger) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:20:54 -0500 From: "Bob Stone" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>RE: Update on Cowling Message-ID: <001201c37646$b4e990e0$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> References: <006901c37620$1a18a680$1b65a8c0@insp4100> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Mark, I looked at the pictures shown in the web site and my question is assuming the two part foam you used to fill the voids is liqued, could it not be used to glue the other solid pieces together. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: KR>RE: Update on Cowling Dan and others who have asked for more info on my cowl construction process, I have added text to help describe what I have done. Check the link at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/cowl.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) flykr2s@wi.rr.com_______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:36:42 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Red Oak weather Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030908153642.00824100@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <002d01c37625$0098fe80$02488a3f@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers. com> References: <3.0.6.32.20030905180002.007c4280@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 >Larry; Keep the wx rpts coming pse. >W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >From the NOAA 7 day forcast for Red Oak. Larry Flesner = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Thursday: Showers possible. Thunderstorms possible until 1pm. The best chance for showers is before 1pm. Chance for measurable precipitation is 50%. Partly cloudy, with a high near 80. Thursday Night: A slight chance for showers. Chance for measurable precipitation is 20%. Partly cloudy, with a low near 55. Friday: A slight chance for showers until 11am. Partly cloudy, with a high around 76. Friday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 54. Saturday: Partly cloudy, with a high near 74. Saturday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 50. Sunday: Partly cloudy, with a high near 69. Sunday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low near 50. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:55:18 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>weather reports Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030908155518.00827100@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <002d01c37625$0098fe80$02488a3f@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers. com> References: <3.0.6.32.20030905180002.007c4280@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 3 >Larry; Keep the wx rpts coming pse. >W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= One of the better weather site I've found and have been using for some time is: http://www.nws.noaa.gov/ The top left corner of this page has a search box. Enter some names of cities along your route and it will come up with current weather as well as a seven day forcast along with radar map and cloud cover maps. They have special pages for different types of users and one is a very good aviation section with notams, etc. Just do a bit of surfing through the "aviation" area and see what you like. Their pages usually load very quickly and I'm using a 56K modem hookup. You can even run through the same info as if you were talking to live briefer. A real quick look would indicate a good weekend at Red Oak and chance of showers looks small (20 to 30 percent) for Mark and I to make the trip in the Tripacer. I hope everyone that plans to fly has as good a forcast. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:13:13 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>weather reports Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030908161313.0081ea30@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20030908155518.00827100@pop.midwest.net> References: <002d01c37625$0098fe80$02488a3f@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers. com> <3.0.6.32.20030905180002.007c4280@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4 I think I gave you some bad info about notams being available on the NOAA site under aviation. There is a hot link there but it doesn't come up with what I was expecting. I'd suggest you talk to a live wx briefer for any notams along you intended route of flight and especially any airports you plan to stop at. There is a lot of construction going on right now and several airports in our area are closed including my home base. Our EAA chapter did a flyout a few weeks back for lunch. They didn't think to check notams and when they got to the destination the airport was closed! So much for the $100 hamburger. It cost them $150 as they had to divert to an alternate! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:43:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: Re: KR>rudder pedals Message-ID: <6996721.1063056901917.JavaMail.nobody@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 I definitely had a bad weld and that was compounded by the original builder grinding down the bead to make it pretty, but my geometry does give me way more stress on the rudder cables than I want and not very effective braking. -------Original Message------- From: Dan Heath Sent: 09/08/03 05:29 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>rudder pedals > > Brian, Your installation looks quite normal to me. In fact, other that for the actual pedal, it looks almost exactly like both KRs that I have been associated with. You may just have had a bad weld. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Red Oak - 2003 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:04:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: Re: KR>rudder pedals Message-ID: <465850.1063058170891.JavaMail.nobody@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 I think that heel brakes are a good alternative. I had never used heel brakes before though so I really had no idea how easy they were to get to. I also had no tailwheel experience when I first did the brakes and I thought that I would need quick and easy access to the brakes. Now that I have some tailwheel time I realize that you pretty much want to stay off the brakes unless you are going straight and have everything under control. Being too anxious on the brakes is more likely to cause a ground loop than to prevent one. With what I know now I would seriously consider using hand brakes if I did it again. My original thinking was that I always needed on hand on the stick and one on the throttle so that didn't leave a hand for the brakes. Now I realize that when it is time to stop, the throttle should be at idle so that frees up my right hand for the brakes. When I need differential braking while taxiing I should be going slow enough that I can let go of the stick and reach over with my left hand to the brakes. I could of even saved myself $400 for the hydraulic brakes and left the cable operated drum brakes on and ran the cables to two levers off the forward spar. The main reason for the hydraulic conversion was to put the brakes on the pedals. Anyway, that is some food for thought for everyone else contemplating how to do theirs. Now back to what I have now, I looked at Mark's site on the rudder pedal section and as usual found answers to all my original questions. I printed his template and the pivot point of the pedal is only about 1 1/4" from the clevis attachment point on the master cylinder. He is probably getting the same braking with half of the pedal force. I am going to shorten my arm and I should have pretty effective brakes when I am done. When the brakes are bled you really don't need much throw at all so you are better off with a short lever arm for more leverage. -------Original Message------- From: Dana Overall Sent: 09/08/03 06:46 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>rudder pedals > > Brian, just a little food for thought. I used those same cylinders on > my KR. Short of fabricating new pedals incorporating a pivoting cylinder, I chose to remove the cylinders from the assembly in an effort to allieve the pressure on the rudder horns and the various tie down points as the cable moved aft. I had a pulley near the front that I wanted to relieve pressure from also. My sometimes convaluted thinking was at some point the rudder system would fail before the braking system failed, opposite of your situation so far though. I thought I would rather have rudder than braking. The current system may work just fine, but I just didn't like putting, what I considered, undue stress on the cable system which had nothing to do with what I wanted to achieve.......and that was braking, not rudder pressure. My solution at the time was to remove the cylinders and mount them with the round foot pad pointing aft, between the two pedals. I drilled two holes in the firewall and mounted the brackets to hold the cylinders firewall forward. A byproduct of this, I was able to remove brake lines..thus brake fluid, from the fuselage. I mounted them a little high so I could heel the rudder pedals but get to the brakes with my toes. Had to be a little pigeon toed but it worked. This way I was able to get full compression of the piston, use of the rudder with no unnessesary demand on the calbes and had very good braking. Man, that got long winded when my initial reply was going be, "Hey Brian, I mounted mine between the pedals.........worked for me".:-) Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 18:12:38 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: Re: KR>rudder pedals Message-ID: <3F5CFED6.000003.03928@Computer> References: <465850.1063058170891.JavaMail.nobody@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 Brian,=0D =0D As I said before, I had a set up similar to yours, and it was great. Com= e to the gathering and watch Richard Shirley to see what you can do with brakes if you get real good at it. I used differential a lot on the grou= nd. It makes turning on a spot, very easy.=0D =0D Sometimes, a little touch on one or the other can really help. Keep at i= t, you are on the right track. =0D =0D PS: Only my opinion, and you know what that is worth, but heel brakes suc= k.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From myoukey@cox.net Mon Sep 08 15:22:44 2003 Received: from lakemtao05.cox.net ([68.1.17.116]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19wUPE-0004Y3-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:22:44 -0700 Received: from blah ([68.12.126.126]) by lakemtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with SMTP id <20030908222453.LNEC13237.lakemtao05.cox.net@blah> for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 18:24:53 -0400 Message-ID: <006001c37658$04cf4d00$7e7e0c44@blah> From: "Mark Youkey" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: Subject: Re: KR>Pitot/static parts scrounge Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:24:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Have you tried DRMO? You can get great stuff for cheap, sometimes. Mark Youkey myoukey@cox.net Oklahoma City ----- Original Message ----- From: "mailbox bob at mail.flyboybob.com" To: "KRnet" Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 11:45 AM Subject: KR>Pitot/static parts scrounge > Netters, > > Does anyone know where I can locate a used AN5814-12? It's a 12VDC > heated pitot/static probe. Looking at Aircraft Spruce has given me > sticker shock, > they want $495 for a new one. That's double what they were a couple > of years ago! > > Regards, > > Bob Lee > ______________________________ > 3380 Ashton Drive > Suwanee, GA 30024 > Cell: (404) 538-1427 > Phone: (770) 844-7511 > Fax: (770) 844-7501 > mailto:bob@flyboybob.com > http://flyboybob.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:47:19 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>RE: Update on Cowling Message-ID: <005901c3765b$2ab03b80$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 ----- Original Message ----- From: "mailbox bob at mail.flyboybob.com" In your text descriptions you mentioned that you were going > to put on two layers of glass then pop the cowl off and put on two > more layers on the inside. Why are you not putting all four layers of > glass on the outside of the mold before you pop the cowl off? Bob, my thinking here is to try and keep the overlap on top of the cowl as thin as possible hopefully to make it invisible. Plus when I apply two layers on the inside then I have created a sandwich effect where the new glass adheres to the existing glass. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:49:42 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>RE: Update on Cowling Message-ID: <006101c3765b$7e6ed4c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <006901c37620$1a18a680$1b65a8c0@insp4100> <5.2.1.1.0.20030908095450.0282ea68@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Larry, I agree with you...use only premixed sheetrock mud. I simply took a hand full and smeared it where I wanted it on the cowl. Very easy to apply this way and it rinses right off your hands with water. Plus it is fun..... Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry severson" > I have watched expert drywallers. They take that dry powder and > rapidly whip to to the optimum consistency and swipe it onto the wall > beautifully. I can not do that. > > For me, the best way is to go down to Home Depot and buy a box of pre-mixed > "Topping Mix" ( the most easily sanded of the mixes), apply it as carefully > (a mess) as I can, and then, just as it starts to set up, hit it with > a wet, small poor sponge. The wet sponge at the end saves me a great > deal of sanding. Unfortunately, again, I am not good enough at the > practice to avoid all of the sanding. > > Avoid the "Jointing Mix" at all costs, unless you just love a > difficult time sanding the final product. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 22:53:23 GMT From: ronlee@pcisys.net To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>weather reports Message-ID: <200309082252.h88MqoEj024414@mail.pcisys.net> Precedence: list Message: 10 Here in Colorado I don't put much faith in weather reports. Saturday night the forecast (TAF) was great for Sunday but 12 hours later it was yucky. Several days out I call it sheer guesswork. Ron Lee --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 09:24:25 +1000 From: Fraser McGregor To: serge.vidal@ate-international.com, KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Metric vs imperial Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030909092013.023eb480@pop.qut.edu.au> In-Reply-To: <000301c37629$cddff890$2c0101c0@ate.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030908081438.02400e98@pop.qut.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 Here in OZ we have the SI system for just about everything, (I think) but for aviation we have feet, knots, runway lengths can be given in feet and metres, but fuel is in litres, and plane weights in kg, so it is a bit of a mish mash. Just to keep you guys in the northern hemisphere ed-u-mic-kat-ed, like! :-) At 11:13 AM 8/09/2003 +0100, you wrote: >My 2 cents worth as an historian: >They could not throw the imperial system overboard with the tea in >Boston, 'cause we, Frenchmen, had not invented the scientific >replacement yet. The Metric system came only with OUR revolution, only >a few years down the line. Of couse, later, the Metric system was made >the basis of the International System of Measures, and is therefore, >today, the ONLY system with international recognition (even the British >have discarded the Imperial Body Parts system). Alas, at the end of >WWII, aviation in the Western world has to regress to US standards. But >the Russian world abides the IS system, ant their aircraft fly >altitudes in meters, and speeds in kilometers per hour. I got my >microlight licence in a Russian built Aviatika "Baby Mig" that was just >like that... and I had to think fast in the air to convert! > >Now, while waiting for a Federal miracle Do as I do, get yourself a >nice piece of converter software. ;-) > >Serge Vidal >KR2 ZS-WEC >Tunis, Tunisia > >-----Original Message----- >From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On >Behalf Of Fraser McGregor >Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 11:20 PM >To: KR builders and pilots >Subject: Re: KR>Building a KR2 > > >Thanks Colin for that advice - yes I have been looking at the web sites >- all very interesting. As I live in Australia - also known as God's >Great Garden - I might just have to pass on the gathering, but thanks >for the offer - the old C172 won't go that far. > >I just wish all you guys would give your measurements in real terms, ie >millimeters, kg, Newtons, etc, instead of these ancient english >imperial things. Pity you didn' t throw the imperial system overboard >with the tea in Boston, all those years ago! Makes my head ache, >having to do the conversions. (Please note - last para is my attempt >at humour :-)) > >At 09:39 AM 7/09/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >Fraser, > >You said: > >Hi - I am new to this net, so bear with me please! I am looking for > >a suitable plane to build, and the KR2 of KR2S seems to fit the bill > >for me so far. Do the current plans available have these later > >refinements and improvements that you mentioned,? If not, is there a > >source of these, or is it simply that these refinements etc are what > >individuals have done to their planes while building them? To answer > >your question, please do not think that I am the authority here, as > >there are some long time builders that have way more knowledge of > >this aircraft than I. I guess I just tend to be alittle more vocal! > >HaHa. The KR2 is a wonderful airplane, but a new builder should not > >consider the older KR2 without including the "S" supplement. If you > >will "cruise" over to the KRnet construction site and search through > >the archives, you will find a HUGE amount of information on > >modifications and improvements that builders have made to this little > >plane. Also, lots of builders' sites have great ideas and > >improvements that they have made to overcome different building > >challenges that they have experienced. The KR2S plans are reported > >to be the clearest and easiest to use, as well as the supplement > >including the refinements of re-enforced firewall for larger > >powerplants, and longer fuselage. Mark Langford's site talks about > >several good refinements and hiper links you to other sources of > >additional studies and mods. The original KR2 had a neat idea for > >retracts, but over the years, virtually every builder with them has > >done away with them in favor of a less drag inducing well faired > >fixed gear, or some other version of retract (Loehle Replicas has a > >good system that swing inboard, but requires alot of work to fit onto > >a KR2). Also you cannot forget to put the gear down on fixed gear! > >I had a student recently, over 300 hour pilot take me down an > >instrument approach in a twin engine aircraft and forget the landing > >gear, all the way down to 400 AGL when I took over and lowered the > >gear. If he had been solo that would have been an expensive mistake. > >What I recommend is for you to take several afternoons and read > >through the different builder websites and finished aircraft, and > >learn all you can from the ones out there building, or flying. They > >know what is working for them, and will save you literally hundreds > >of hours trying to solve problems. Then when you have questions, and > >you can't find the answer in the archives, ask it here. Go to the > >Gathering this year and look at the KR2, and KR2S up close and > >compare. I am told the materials cost is virtually the same, and you > >will be much happier with the plane when it is complete. Any other > >builders' thoughts please don't hesitate to chime in here.... :) > > > > > >Colin Rainey KR2(td) > >crainey1@cfl.rr.com > >Sanford, Florida > >FLY SAFE!!!!_______________________________________________ > >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 18:30:40 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>RE: Update on Cowling Message-ID: <007301c37661$38e76560$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <006901c37620$1a18a680$1b65a8c0@insp4100> <001201c37646$b4e990e0$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Bob, The two part foam makes an excellent glue if you have some way to keep the rigid foam pieces in place as the two-part foam expands. If not, the two part foam will push the rigid pieces apart. Hence, I hot glued then filled the voids with the two-part foam. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Stone" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:20 PM Subject: Re: KR>RE: Update on Cowling > Mark, > I looked at the pictures shown in the web site and my question is > assuming the two part foam you used to fill the voids is liqued, could > it not be used to glue the other solid pieces together. > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX > rstone4@hot.rr.com > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 10:44 AM > Subject: KR>RE: Update on Cowling > > > Dan and others who have asked for more info on my cowl construction process, > I have added text to help describe what I have done. Check the link > at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/cowl.html > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > flykr2s@wi.rr.com_______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 19:50:43 EDT From: AviationMech@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Red Oak weather Message-ID: <1f0.f6d53b1.2c8e6fd3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 In a message dated 9/8/2003 4:42:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, flesner@midwest.net writes: > with a low around 50 Is Red Oak likely to have ground fog in the mornings????? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 19:58:56 EDT From: AviationMech@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>fly past Michigan Message-ID: <1d3.1099654b.2c8e71c0@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 Will anyone flying to Red Oak pass near Michigan on Friday? Interested in a flight of two?? Orma AKA AviationMech KR-2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com/aviationmech also see me at www.aviation-mechanics.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 19:20:59 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" To: "KRnet" Subject: KR>Fw: Two True Stories Message-ID: <002801c37668$3efa6720$6401a8c0@Administration> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 Interesting story about aviation history. > Here's a true story I'll bet you haven't heard yet. > > STORY NUMBER ONE > > Many years ago, Al Capone virtually owned Chicago. Capone wasn't > famous for > anything heroic. He was notorious for enmeshing the windy city in everything > from bootlegged booze and prostitution to murder. Capone had a lawyer > nicknamed "Easy Eddie." He was his lawyer for a good reason. Eddie was very > good! In fact, Eddie's skill at legal maneuvering kept Big Al out of > jail for a long time. To show his appreciation, Capone paid him very > well. Not only was the money big, but also Eddie got special > dividends. For instance, > he and his family occupied a fenced-in mansion with live-in help and > all of > the conveniences of the day. The estate was so large that it filled an > entire Chicago city block. Eddie lived the high life of the Chicago > mob and > gave little consideration to the atrocity that went on around him. > > Eddie did have one soft spot, however. He had a son that he loved > dearly. Eddie saw to it that his young son had the best of everything: > clothes, cars > and a good education. Nothing was withheld. Price was no object. And, > despite his involvement with organized crime, Eddie even tried to > teach him > right from wrong. Eddie wanted his son to be a better man than he was. Yet, > with all his wealth and influence, there were two things he couldn't > give his son; he couldn't pass on a good name and a good example. > > One day, Easy Eddie reached a difficult decision. Easy Eddie wanted to > rectify wrongs he had done. He decided he would go to the authorities > and tell the truth about Al "Scarface" Capone, clean up his tarnished > name and offer his son some semblance of integrity. To do this, he > would have to testify against The Mob, and he knew that the cost would > be great. So, he testified. Within the year, Easy Eddie's life ended > in a blaze of gunfire on > a lonely Chicago Street. But in his eyes, he had given his son the greatest > gift he had to offer, at the greatest price he would ever pay. > > STORY NUMBER TWO > > World War II produced many heroes. One such man was Lieutenant > Commander Butch O'Hare. He was a fighter pilot assigned to the > aircraft carrier Lexington in the South Pacific. One day his entire > squadron was sent on a mission. After he was airborne, he looked at > his fuel gauge and realized that someone had neglected to top off his > fuel tank. He would not have enough fuel to complete his mission and > get back to his ship. His flight leader told him to return to the > carrier. > > Reluctantly, he dropped out of formation and headed back to the fleet. > As he was returning to the mother ship he saw something that turned > his blood cold. A squadron of Japanese aircraft were speeding their > way toward the American fleet. The American fighters were gone on a > sortie, and the fleet > was all but defenseless. He couldn't reach his squadron and bring > them back > in time to save the fleet. Nor could he warn the fleet of the > approaching danger. There was only one thing to do. He must somehow > divert them from the fleet. > > Laying aside all thoughts of personal safety, he dove right into the > formation of Japanese planes. Wing-mounted 50 caliber's blazed as he charged > in, attacking one surprised enemy plane and then another. Butch wove > in and > out of the now broken formation and fired at as many planes as > possible until all his ammunition was finally spent. Undaunted, he > continued the assault. He dove at the planes, trying to clip a wing or > tail in hopes of damaging as many enemy planes as possible and > rendering them unfit to fly. > > Finally, the exasperated Japanese squadron took off in another > direction. Deeply relieved, Butch O'Hare and his tattered fighter > limped back to the carrier. Upon arrival he reported in and related > the event surrounding his return. > > The film from the gun-camera mounted on his plane told the tale. It showed > the extent of Butch's daring attempt to protect his fleet. He had in > fact destroyed five enemy aircraft. > > This took place on February 20, 1942, and for that action Butch became > the Navy's first Ace of W.W.II, and the first Naval Aviator to win the > Congressional Medal of Honor. A year later Butch was killed in aerial combat > at the age of 29. His home town would not allow the memory of this WW > II hero to fade, and today, O'Hare Airport in Chicago is named in > tribute to the courage of this great man. So the next time you find > yourself at O'Hare > International, give some thought to visiting Butch's memorial > displaying his > statue and his Medal of Honor. It's located between Terminals 1 and 2. > > > SO WHAT DO THESE TWO STORIES HAVE TO DO WITH EACH OTHER? > > > Butch O'Hare was Easy Eddie's son... > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 21:08:26 -0400 From: "Darren Pond" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>KR2 Project for sale in Canada Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <02c401c3759c$d1d8cc20$1bc7fea9@c1550698a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 There was or still might be a kr project for sale at the Brantford Ontario EAA chapter. I recall boat and spars were complete Email me direct and I give you the phone number. Darren Pond pond27@rogers.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Thomas Cornell Sent: September 7, 2003 8:05 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>KR2 Project for sale in Canada I just joined the mailing list. I am interested in building a KR2S. I was told that a partially built one was listed from somebody in Canada. Can somebody please send me the information. I would like to check into it. Also, I would like to buy a set of plans. I have a possible partial set. I need the full set to build. Thank You. Tom Cornell Battle Creek, MI _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:57:32 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: Re: KR>rudder pedals Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <465850.1063058170891.JavaMail.nobody@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 You're solving non-problems. A good weld would stand lots of "push", and never grind off the weld bead for cosmetic purposes. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:05 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: Re: KR>rudder pedals I think that heel brakes are a good alternative. I had never used heel brakes before though so I really had no idea how easy they were to get to. I also had no tailwheel experience when I first did the brakes and I thought that I would need quick and easy access to the brakes. Now that I have some tailwheel time I realize that you pretty much want to stay off the brakes unless you are going straight and have everything under control. Being too anxious on the brakes is more likely to cause a ground loop than to prevent one. With what I know now I would seriously consider using hand brakes if I did it again. My original thinking was that I always needed on hand on the stick and one on the throttle so that didn't leave a hand for the brakes. Now I realize that when it is time to stop, the throttle should be at idle so that frees up my right hand for the brakes. When I need differential braking while taxiing I should be going slow enough that I can let go of the stick and reach over with my left hand to the brakes. I could of even saved myself $400 for the hydraulic brakes and left the cable operated drum brakes on and ran the cables to two levers off the forward spar. The main reason for the hydraulic conversion was to put the brakes on the pedals. Anyway, that is some food for thought for everyone else contemplating how to do theirs. Now back to what I have now, I looked at Mark's site on the rudder pedal section and as usual found answers to all my original questions. I printed his template and the pivot point of the pedal is only about 1 1/4" from the clevis attachment point on the master cylinder. He is probably getting the same braking with half of the pedal force. I am going to shorten my arm and I should have pretty effective brakes when I am done. When the brakes are bled you really don't need much throw at all so you are better off with a short lever arm for more leverage. -------Original Message------- From: Dana Overall Sent: 09/08/03 06:46 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>rudder pedals > > Brian, just a little food for thought. I used those same cylinders on > my KR. Short of fabricating new pedals incorporating a pivoting cylinder, I chose to remove the cylinders from the assembly in an effort to allieve the pressure on the rudder horns and the various tie down points as the cable moved aft. I had a pulley near the front that I wanted to relieve pressure from also. My sometimes convaluted thinking was at some point the rudder system would fail before the braking system failed, opposite of your situation so far though. I thought I would rather have rudder than braking. The current system may work just fine, but I just didn't like putting, what I considered, undue stress on the cable system which had nothing to do with what I wanted to achieve.......and that was braking, not rudder pressure. My solution at the time was to remove the cylinders and mount them with the round foot pad pointing aft, between the two pedals. I drilled two holes in the firewall and mounted the brackets to hold the cylinders firewall forward. A byproduct of this, I was able to remove brake lines..thus brake fluid, from the fuselage. I mounted them a little high so I could heel the rudder pedals but get to the brakes with my toes. Had to be a little pigeon toed but it worked. This way I was able to get full compression of the piston, use of the rudder with no unnessesary demand on the calbes and had very good braking. Man, that got long winded when my initial reply was going be, "Hey Brian, I mounted mine between the pedals.........worked for me".:-) Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 21:06:31 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "Ron Eason" , "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>Fw: Two True Stories Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002801c37668$3efa6720$6401a8c0@Administration> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 Did Easy Eddie fly a KR? Am I missing something here? Besides, this is a very old story on the internet. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Ron Eason Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 7:21 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR>Fw: Two True Stories Interesting story about aviation history. > Here's a true story I'll bet you haven't heard yet. > > STORY NUMBER ONE > > Many years ago, Al Capone virtually owned Chicago. Capone wasn't > famous for > anything heroic. He was notorious for enmeshing the windy city in everything > from bootlegged booze and prostitution to murder. Capone had a lawyer > nicknamed "Easy Eddie." He was his lawyer for a good reason. Eddie was very > good! In fact, Eddie's skill at legal maneuvering kept Big Al out of > jail for a long time. To show his appreciation, Capone paid him very > well. Not only was the money big, but also Eddie got special > dividends. For instance, > he and his family occupied a fenced-in mansion with live-in help and > all of > the conveniences of the day. The estate was so large that it filled an > entire Chicago city block. Eddie lived the high life of the Chicago > mob and > gave little consideration to the atrocity that went on around him. > > Eddie did have one soft spot, however. He had a son that he loved > dearly. Eddie saw to it that his young son had the best of everything: > clothes, cars > and a good education. Nothing was withheld. Price was no object. And, > despite his involvement with organized crime, Eddie even tried to > teach him > right from wrong. Eddie wanted his son to be a better man than he was. Yet, > with all his wealth and influence, there were two things he couldn't > give his son; he couldn't pass on a good name and a good example. > > One day, Easy Eddie reached a difficult decision. Easy Eddie wanted to > rectify wrongs he had done. He decided he would go to the authorities > and tell the truth about Al "Scarface" Capone, clean up his tarnished > name and offer his son some semblance of integrity. To do this, he > would have to testify against The Mob, and he knew that the cost would > be great. So, he testified. Within the year, Easy Eddie's life ended > in a blaze of gunfire on > a lonely Chicago Street. But in his eyes, he had given his son the greatest > gift he had to offer, at the greatest price he would ever pay. > > STORY NUMBER TWO > > World War II produced many heroes. One such man was Lieutenant > Commander Butch O'Hare. He was a fighter pilot assigned to the > aircraft carrier Lexington in the South Pacific. One day his entire > squadron was sent on a mission. After he was airborne, he looked at > his fuel gauge and realized that someone had neglected to top off his > fuel tank. He would not have enough fuel to complete his mission and > get back to his ship. His flight leader told him to return to the > carrier. > > Reluctantly, he dropped out of formation and headed back to the fleet. > As he was returning to the mother ship he saw something that turned > his blood cold. A squadron of Japanese aircraft were speeding their > way toward the American fleet. The American fighters were gone on a > sortie, and the fleet > was all but defenseless. He couldn't reach his squadron and bring > them back > in time to save the fleet. Nor could he warn the fleet of the > approaching danger. There was only one thing to do. He must somehow > divert them from the fleet. > > Laying aside all thoughts of personal safety, he dove right into the > formation of Japanese planes. Wing-mounted 50 caliber's blazed as he charged > in, attacking one surprised enemy plane and then another. Butch wove > in and > out of the now broken formation and fired at as many planes as > possible until all his ammunition was finally spent. Undaunted, he > continued the assault. He dove at the planes, trying to clip a wing or > tail in hopes of damaging as many enemy planes as possible and > rendering them unfit to fly. > > Finally, the exasperated Japanese squadron took off in another > direction. Deeply relieved, Butch O'Hare and his tattered fighter > limped back to the carrier. Upon arrival he reported in and related > the event surrounding his return. > > The film from the gun-camera mounted on his plane told the tale. It showed > the extent of Butch's daring attempt to protect his fleet. He had in > fact destroyed five enemy aircraft. > > This took place on February 20, 1942, and for that action Butch became > the Navy's first Ace of W.W.II, and the first Naval Aviator to win the > Congressional Medal of Honor. A year later Butch was killed in aerial combat > at the age of 29. His home town would not allow the memory of this WW > II hero to fade, and today, O'Hare Airport in Chicago is named in > tribute to the courage of this great man. So the next time you find > yourself at O'Hare > International, give some thought to visiting Butch's memorial > displaying his > statue and his Medal of Honor. It's located between Terminals 1 and 2. > > > SO WHAT DO THESE TWO STORIES HAVE TO DO WITH EACH OTHER? > > > Butch O'Hare was Easy Eddie's son... > > > > _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 152, Issue 3 *************************************