From: krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 153, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: rudder pedals (Rich Seifert) 2. I want to be a pilot (Patrick Driscoll) 3. Re: Re: KR>rudder pedals (Steve Glover) 4. Re: Gathering Roll Call (terry marion ks) 5. Aussie Steel (Gavin Donohoe) 6. Re: Aussie Steel (Robin Wills) 7. Re: Gathering Roll Call (Dan Heath) 8. Gathering (Mark Jones) 9. Metric vs. English measurements (JIM VANCE) 10. tailwheel training (Brian Kraut) 11. change of operating limitations (Brian Kraut) 12. Aviation stories (Ed Janssen) 13. Re: Metric vs. English measurements (Fraser McGregor) 14. Notams (Colin) 15. Non KR related 16. Non KR related 17. Re: tailwheel training (Dana Overall) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 19:37:44 -0700 From: "Rich Seifert" To: "Brian Kraut" , Subject: Re: KR>rudder pedals Message-ID: <00b801c3767c$5ee93570$6701a8c0@datsuniohhq7do> References: <2998302.1062992588308.JavaMail.nobody@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 This might be a little late but I've seen it mentioned several times in the old KR news letters. You don't use brakes attached to stock RR rudder pedals. You are not the first and will not be the last to find this out the hard way. The stock RR rudder pedals are not strong enough for the extra breaking force no matter how they are welded. For that matter the rudder horn is also a weak point depending on how much you had to grind away to give proper rudder travel. That is why I chose to use heel breaks. Just another reason the test period is tough. Hope you didn't break anything important. Happy landings. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 5:44 PM Subject: KR>rudder pedals > I was doing some high speed taxi testing today and almost took out the lights at the end of the runway when my left rudder pedal snapped off. My pedals are .035" wall 5/8" steel tube per the plans. They are made of pieces cut at a 45 degree angle and welded instead of being bent like some are. A weld with hardly any penetration that was also ground smooth by the original builder broke right by the pedal. The extra stress of the hydraulic brake and pedal brought out a problem that never surfaced before it had brakes on the pedal. Are other people using the same size tubing with brakes on the pedals? > > I will add half sections of 3/4" tubing over all the joints and reweld everything to keep it from happening again. I also plan on shortening the arms that go to the master cylinders to give me more leverage with less pedal pressure. Can anyone with effective brakes that don't require a lot of pressure tell me what distance your master cylinder attaches from the fulcrum point of the pedal? > > You can see my current arrangement at > http://www.engalt.com/flight1.htm in the first picture. The attach > point of the master cylinder end is 1 3/8" above the center of the rotating point on the pedal and about 1 5/8" back. The straight line distance is about 2 1/4" from the rotation point of the pedal to the master cylinder clevis end point. I think I need to shorten that to closer to 1 1/2" to have effective braking without overloading the pedals or the rudder horn. Comments? > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 21:46:58 -0500 From: "Patrick Driscoll" To: "KR Mailing list" Subject: KR>I want to be a pilot Message-ID: <006501c3767c$a3a30ce0$2d0a5292@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 2 Member of EAA chapter 54 put this on our mailing list thought I would = pass it along. Pat Driscoll =20 I Want to Be A Pilot I want to be a pilot when I grow up because it's fun and easy to do. = Pilots don't need much school; they just have to learn numbers so they = can read instruments. I guess they should be able to read maps so they = can find their way if they get lost. Pilots should be brave so they = won't get scared if it's foggy and they can't see. Or, if a wing or = motor falls off they should stay calm so they'll know what to do. = Pilots have to have good eyes so they can see through clouds and they = can't be afraid of lightning or thunder because they are closer to them = than we are.=20 The salary pilot's make is another thing I like. They make more money = than they can spend. This is because most people think airplane flying = is dangerous except pilots don't because they know how easy it is. = There isn't much I don't like, except girls like pilots and all the = stewardesses want to marry them so they always have to chase them away = so they won't bother them. I hope I don't get airsick because if I do I = couldn't be a pilot and would have to go to work. =20 A Fifth Grader View this thread on the web at http://www.cirruspilots.org/cgi-bin/wwwthreads/showthreaded.pl?Board=3Dme= mbers& ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:30:51 -0700 From: "Steve Glover" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: Re: KR>rudder pedals Message-ID: <001701c37682$c533fad0$79f2fea9@IntelliSpec> References: <465850.1063058170891.JavaMail.nobody@huey.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <3F5CFED6.000003.03928@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 I don't think Richard is going this year. I couldn't get mine back in the air in time and he didn't want to fly alone again. Sorry guys. Steve Glover Rancho Santa Margarita, Ca To: Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Re: KR>rudder pedals Brian, As I said before, I had a set up similar to yours, and it was great. Come to the gathering and watch Richard Shirley to see what you can do with brakes if you get real good at it. I used differential a lot on the ground. It makes turning on a spot, very easy. Sometimes, a little touch on one or the other can really help. Keep at it, you are on the right track. PS: Only my opinion, and you know what that is worth, but heel brakes suck. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Red Oak - 2003 See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 01:01:48 -0500 From: "terry marion ks" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Gathering Roll Call Message-ID: <004f01c37697$dc505fa0$5e251041@r6t1n9> References: <200309070110.h871AMEJ013897@krusty.pcisys.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 I'll be flying my kr2 in from marion ks ,arriving Thurday terry chizek marion ks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:51:11 +1000 From: Gavin Donohoe To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Aussie Steel Message-ID: <005f01c376a8$b72a6ca0$0e4d8690@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 5 OK all of you aussie KR netters, can you help me find out where to source the 4130 steel and 6061-t6 for the Kr2 components ??? I've been unsuccessful so far and any help would be appreciated. Maybe someone has some left over that they want to sell off!!! contact me by e-mail at gavinandlouise@bigpond.com Thanks Gav --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 28/08/2003 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:30:24 +1000 From: "Robin Wills" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Aussie Steel Message-ID: <003301c376ac$9e9938c0$656486cb@x4v2z3> References: <005f01c376a8$b72a6ca0$0e4d8690@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Gavin, and others in Australia, For your steel needs may I suggest Hawker Pacific at Bankstown... I have heard they have a reasonable price on steel tube and other formed steel parts and I would assume that this also applies to steel sheet. Other than that, possibly a local maintenance firm would be able to supply the steel you require. Regards, Robin Wills Queensland Australia robinwills@iprimus.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 05:36:38 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Gathering Roll Call Message-ID: <3F5D9F25.000001.01548@Computer> References: <004f01c37697$dc505fa0$5e251041@r6t1n9> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 7 Terry,=0D =0D Look us up, we will be at the Red Coach around 3. If you are coming in after that, maybe we can be at the airport and give you a ride. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:02:31 AM=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: Re: KR>Gathering Roll Call=0D =0D =0D I'll be flying my kr2 in from marion ks ,arriving Thurday=0D terry chizek marion ks=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom serge.vidal@ate-international.com Tue Sep 09 03:13:33 2003 Received: from tounes103.gw.tn ([193.95.50.103]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19wfV7-0009sk-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 03:13:33 -0700 Received: from tounes-22.ati.tn (tounes-22.ati.tn [193.95.66.22]) by tounes.tngw.tn (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04117 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:40:00 -0100 (GMT) Received: from smtp.planet.tn ([193.95.123.25]) by tounes-22.ati.tn (8.12.7/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h898dHf3027893 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:39:18 +0200 (EET) Received: from sergevidal ([193.95.89.96]) by smtp.planet.tn (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with SMTP id h89Bcc012295 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:38:38 -0100 (GMT) From: "Serge F. Vidal" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: RE: KR>rudder pedals Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:25:00 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c376b6$dde4ca30$2c0101c0@ate.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: serge.vidal@ate-international.com, KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: ...Er... That is highly debatable. I once got a jammed rudder -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=ate-international.com@mylist.net Err... That's debatable! I once got a rudder failure (just read the archives for details), and I was quite happy to still have brakes on landing, because the KR does not land too short, and the brakes give you some sort of directional control as well. With a KR, a reasonable crosswind can be handled without a rudder; a short, narrow airstrip with a crosswind is hard to manage without brakes. Serge Vidal KR2 ZS-WEC Tunis, Tunisia [mailto:krnet-bounces+serge.vidal=ate-international.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Dana Overall Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:46 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>rudder pedals Brian, just a little food for thought. I used those same cylinders on my KR. Short of fabricating new pedals incorporating a pivoting cylinder, I chose to remove the cylinders from the assembly in an effort to allieve the pressure on the rudder horns and the various tie down points as the cable moved aft. I had a pulley near the front that I wanted to relieve pressure from also. My sometimes convaluted thinking was at some point the rudder system would fail before the braking system failed, opposite of your situation so far though. I thought I would rather have rudder than braking. The current system may work just fine, but I just didn't like putting, what I considered, undue stress on the cable system which had nothing to do with what I wanted to achieve.......and that was braking, not rudder pressure. My solution at the time was to remove the cylinders and mount them with the round foot pad pointing aft, between the two pedals. I drilled two holes in the firewall and mounted the brackets to hold the cylinders firewall forward. A byproduct of this, I was able to remove brake lines..thus brake fluid, from the fuselage. I mounted them a little high so I could heel the rudder pedals but get to the brakes with my toes. Had to be a little pigeon toed but it worked. This way I was able to get full compression of the piston, use of the rudder with no unnessesary demand on the calbes and had very good braking. Man, that got long winded when my initial reply was going be, "Hey Brian, I mounted mine between the pedals.........worked for me".:-) Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 06:30:47 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR Net" Subject: KR>Gathering Message-ID: <002e01c376c5$d10f94c0$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 8 Everyone, My father in law passed away yesterday afternoon and as of right now the = funeral is scheduled for Friday 10am. I am planning to leave Friday = afternoon late and arrive Red Oak around midnight. If all goes as = planned, I will see you all Saturday. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:01:10 -0500 From: "JIM VANCE" To: "krnet" Subject: KR>Metric vs. English measurements Message-ID: <009f01c37737$4afce460$0100007f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 My airspeed indicator is calibrated in megafurlongs per fortnight. My = altimeter is calibrated in stones per square hand. It doesn't make any = difference what the units of measure are--just fly the correct numbers = and you'll make it home. Jim Vance = Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 05:09:06 -0400 (GMT) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>tailwheel training Message-ID: <4515441.1063109278912.JavaMail.nobody@grover.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 After I fix my rudder pedals tomorrow the only thing keeping me from flying is a tailwheel endorsement. If there is anyone going to the gathering that is an instructor and will have a TW plane, KR or otherwise, and is willing to give me some training please contact me directly at engalt@earthlink.net. I am very close to getting the endorsement here, but my instructor just left for a month long cross country to Venezuela and TW instruction is not easy to find here. I would also be greatful to anyone willing to give me some tailwheel up taxi runs in their KR. I am not quite ready to get my tailwheel up on my plane until I get some more training from someone who knows what they are doing. Also, someone told me that you don't need a tailwheel endorsement for an experimental. FAR 61.31 (i) seems pretty specific to me about requiring the endorsement, not to mention that lawyers will jump on not having it in an accident weather it is required or not. I think it is required. Anyone know different? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 05:14:18 -0400 (GMT) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>change of operating limitations Message-ID: <4336369.1063109582647.JavaMail.nobody@grover.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 I have added lights to my KR. Does anyone know what the correct procedure is to change my operating limitations from VFR day to VFR night? Is this something I can do myself or do I have to contact the FSDO to get this changed, and if so, do they come and do an inspection? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 07:26:12 -0500 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Aviation stories Message-ID: <013d01c376cd$8e6f7bf0$8d00a8c0@dad> References: <006501c3767c$a3a30ce0$2d0a5292@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Before we get too far into another round of "cute" aviation stories - can we please stick with KR related stuff? Ed Janssen mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 22:33:18 +1000 From: Fraser McGregor To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Metric vs. English measurements Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20030909223242.00b71e10@pop.qut.edu.au> In-Reply-To: <009f01c37737$4afce460$0100007f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13 Yep. I think that's what they said when working out the fuel for the Gimli Glider. :-) At 08:01 PM 9/09/03 -0500, you wrote: >My airspeed indicator is calibrated in megafurlongs per fortnight. My >altimeter is calibrated in stones per square hand. It doesn't make any >difference what the units of measure are--just fly the correct numbers and >you'll make it home. > > Jim Vance > >Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html Fraser and Val McGregor 63 Preston Road MANLY QLD 4179 AUSTRALIA +61 7 3893 2717 Mo 0403 075 316 ----------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 08:40:54 -0400 From: "Colin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Notams Message-ID: <004c01c376cf$9c727340$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 14 To All, PLEASE READ: The President is out flying around and has a mobile TFR = (Temp Flight Restriction) area of 60 nm around Air Force One, where ever = he happens to be. Be sure to get a complete briefing from a preflight = briefer and make sure he advises you of all published as well as = unpublished notams, since alot of you will be flying into new areas and = are unfamiliar with things local pilots already know. AOPA website = keeps an advisory section on alot of notams and TFRs and has graphical = displays of them for ease of use. You don't need to get intercepted on = the way to having fun! Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From ejanssen@chipsnet.com Tue Sep 09 06:02:36 2003 Received: from mail.homepagesetc.com ([208.7.90.253] helo=mail.chipsnet.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19wi8i-000B78-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 06:02:36 -0700 Received: from dad ([208.7.90.101]) by mail.chipsnet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65278U4000L400S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 08:14:53 -0500 Message-ID: <019201c376d2$e8a2f7f0$8d00a8c0@dad> From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <4336369.1063109582647.JavaMail.nobody@grover.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: KR>change of operating limitations Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 08:04:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Brian, For a number of reasons, many KR pilots have voiced their opinions against flying at night in a KR. You may want to rethink the idea. A search of the archives will probably give you some reasons, but maybe someone with direct experience will restate their comments. Ed Janssen mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Kraut" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:14 AM Subject: KR>change of operating limitations > I have added lights to my KR. Does anyone know what the correct > procedure is to change my operating limitations from VFR day to VFR night? Is this something I can do myself or do I have to contact the FSDO to get this changed, and if so, do they come and do an inspection? > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 08:32:47 -0500 From: asavant@notes.state.ne.us To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Non KR related Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <013d01c376cd$8e6f7bf0$8d00a8c0@dad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15 Dear KR netters, I have seen this all too often. Someone emails a non-KR related email and 10 people flame that person trying to make an example out of them. Personally, I enjoyed reading the story that was emailed as much as I enjoyed reading the flames! why? because it came from someone who shares the same interest as me- aviation and KRs. I suggest that when a person sends a non-KR related email (does not happend too often) they append the word "NON-KR" to the subject line. That way the flamers can setup their email filters and ignore the emails that bring out the flames. What about the people who forget to append the magic word? Well, I think the list moderator (Mark Langford, isn't it?), or an appointed list member should reply to the offender(:)) ONLY reminding them of the protocol. Is this email non-KR? yes Is this email non-KR-LIST? no ... well then I am sending it :) Thanks! Ameet Savant asavant@notes.state.ne.us ejanssen@chipsnet .com (Ed Janssen) To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent by: cc: krnet-bounces@myl Subject: KR>Aviation stories ist.net 09/09/2003 07:26 AM Please respond to KR builders and pilots Before we get too far into another round of "cute" aviation stories - can we please stick with KR related stuff? Ed Janssen mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:16:39 EDT From: WA7YXF@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Non KR related Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 Dear KR netters, I have seen this all too often. Someone emails a non-KR related email and 10 people flame that person trying to make an example out of them. I suggest that when a person sends a non-KR related email (does not happend too often) they append the word "NON-KR" to the subject line. That way the flamers can setup their email filters and ignore the emails that bring out the flames. Is this email non-KR? yes Is this email non-KR-LIST? no ... well then I am sending it :) Thanks! Ameet Savant asavant@notes.state.ne.us --------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyway you put it, It's still garbage In the KRNET Archives. Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:35:15 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>tailwheel training Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 17 >From: Brian Kraut > >Also, someone told me that you don't need a tailwheel endorsement for >an >experimental. FAR 61.31 (i) seems pretty specific to me about requiring >the endorsement, not to mention that lawyers will jump on not having it in >an accident weather it is required or not. I think it is required. Anyone >know different? Brian, the following are some excerpts from 61.31. I don't have the FAR in front of me so if you could look up section K exceptions (2) iii. If you could throw this out on the KRNet, I would appreciate it if someone would verify or not whether I recall this as stated below. "The pilot in command of this aircraft SHALL hold a category/class rating, or an authorized instructor's logbook endorsement. The pilot in command MUST meet the requirements of 61.31 (e), (f), (g), (h), (i), and (j) as appropriate." The exceptions in (k) do apply. It clearly states in (k) Exceptions. (2) The rating limitations of this section do not apply to-- (iii) The holder of a pilot certificate when operating an aircraft under the authority of an experimental or provisional aircraft type certificate; Insurance will certainly require it, but if you don't have an approved engine, you're uninsurable in your KR anyway. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 153, Issue 1 *************************************