From: krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 6:43 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 153, Issue 2 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. advise requested - landing gear purchase 2. change of operating limitations (larry flesner) 3. (no subject) (Bob Sauer) 4. Re: change of operating limitations 5. FSDO (Colin) 6. Re: tailwheel training (Todd Servaes) 7. RE: rudder pedals (Dana Overall) 8. Re: tailwheel training (Dan Heath) 9. Re: Non KR related 10. Re: Notams (Mark Youkey) 11. ground plane (larry flesner) 12. Re: assembly plant (Jack Cooper) 13. Re: Mertic system (Jack Cooper) 14. Stick and pedals (Jack Cooper) 15. Re: change of operating limitations 16. Mertic system (larry flesner) 17. Pushrod fairings (JIM VANCE) 18. Re: (no subject) 19. Re: tailwheel training (Dana Overall) 20. Re: tailwheel training (David Mikesell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:19:17 GMT From: red-bridge@juno.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>advise requested - landing gear purchase Message-ID: <20030909.122025.1733.129048@webmail15.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 I am considering buying "unused" landing gear castings and crossbar from someone advertising them on the net. I have been sent pictures which I would be happy to e-mail to anyone willing to evaluate them and advise me as to their value and condition. They are for the KR-1. Anyone willing to take a look? Keith C. Krumwiede ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:40:03 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>change of operating limitations Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030909154003.0082d100@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <019201c376d2$e8a2f7f0$8d00a8c0@dad> References: <4336369.1063109582647.JavaMail.nobody@grover.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 >Brian, As for flying your KR at night, that will be directly related to your confidence level in your KR and to your piloting ability. At one of the Gatherings in Kentucky, some guy and his girlfriend flew in from Florida at 3:00am in the morning. I had a motel room across the road from the airport and couldn't sleep when I heard what sounded like a VW speeding by on the highway. I thought to myself, "Bugs" don't run that fast on the highway so I stepped outside to look and saw the KR circling to land. As to getting your restriction lifted, see what you operating limitations state. If you are limited to "day only" unless equiped with proper lighting, or however it's stated, then you may be able to make a log entry stating that the proper lighting for "night VFR" was installed and that may lift the restriction. One of the FAA offices could give you the OFFICAL answer. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:48:26 -0700 From: "Bob Sauer" To: "kr" Subject: KR>(no subject) Message-ID: <007601c37713$b7d0bc20$fe393818@ph.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 In trying to hold the cost of my KR2S project in line, I want to use a = 22" COM antenna that I have, but need some help on how to create a = ground plane for it. Also, want to do the same thing for the ELT, GPS = and Transponder. I want to put the antennas vertically in the rear of = the fuselage, except for the transponder which I will put under the = pilot seat projecting to the exterior. I am thinking alum disks would = work, but have no idea as to what size they would have to be. Any help = or suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks From: resauer@cox.net Sun City West ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:41:15 EDT From: AviationMech@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>change of operating limitations Message-ID: <1db.108cb66b.2c8fa2fb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 In a message dated 9/9/2003 8:15:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, engalt@earthlink.net writes: > I have added lights to my KR. If you are the builder and got a Repairmans license from the FAA, you have the right to modify the aircraft and all you have to do is add appropriate lighting per the FAR and send to the local FAA Flight Standards District Office a FAA form 337 detailing the work that was accomplished along with the proper references. If you are not the builder or did not get the repairmans license, then you must have an A&P mechanic that holds an Inspection Authorization to do the work and submit the papers. Orma aka AviationMech AP/IA N13116 1984 to 2003 19 years in a KR. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:45:04 -0400 From: "Colin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>FSDO Message-ID: <008601c3771b$a110c900$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 5 Netters, When dealing with a FSDO, be sure that you write down the name and title = of whoever you speak with to get your answer from. It has been known to = happen here in central Florida that a pilot called for information to = the Orlando FSDO, got one answer, called Tampa FSDO got another, you see = where this is going... Instead of you getting burned for what one = Inspector might feel is a violation while another doesn't, CYA so that = they can fight amongst themselves about who is right instead of = fining/violating you. Just some thoughts from actual dealings... Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From jfaughn@mvp.net Tue Sep 09 15:28:37 2003 Received: from mo1.socket.net ([216.106.88.132]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19wqyT-000KUz-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:28:37 -0700 Received: from mvp.net (virtualmail.socket.net [216.106.88.58]) by mo1.socket.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03FBA23BB87 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:30:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from marzi ([216.106.70.24]) by mvp.net ; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:30:46 -0500 From: "Jim Faughn" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: RE: KR>tailwheel training Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:38:59 -0500 Message-ID: <005a01c37723$298441c0$18466ad8@jfaughn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4515441.1063109278912.JavaMail.nobody@grover.psp.pas.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: You are exactly why I intend to give some rides. Most of us give absolute preference to people that are almost finished with their planes. I believe I have committed to three different people that are ready to fly for rides and I will be happy to take you through the sequence of fast taxi, flying and approach to landing. Jim Faughn 891JF Planning my route and hoping on the weather. -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+jfaughn=mvp.net@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+jfaughn=mvp.net@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:09 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>tailwheel training After I fix my rudder pedals tomorrow the only thing keeping me from flying is a tailwheel endorsement. If there is anyone going to the gathering that is an instructor and will have a TW plane, KR or otherwise, and is willing to give me some training please contact me directly at engalt@earthlink.net. I am very close to getting the endorsement here, but my instructor just left for a month long cross country to Venezuela and TW instruction is not easy to find here. I would also be greatful to anyone willing to give me some tailwheel up taxi runs in their KR. I am not quite ready to get my tailwheel up on my plane until I get some more training from someone who knows what they are doing. Also, someone told me that you don't need a tailwheel endorsement for an experimental. FAR 61.31 (i) seems pretty specific to me about requiring the endorsement, not to mention that lawyers will jump on not having it in an accident weather it is required or not. I think it is required. Anyone know different? _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:33:41 -0700 From: Todd Servaes To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>tailwheel training Message-ID: <3F5E5545.5030706@vfr.net> References: <4515441.1063109278912.JavaMail.nobody@grover.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 Brian, By all means get adequate (probably more training than just enough for the endorsement) tailwheel training before proceeding with the testing of your KR. Limited tailwheel proficiency may even have been a contributing factor to your pedal failure. I have yet to fly a KR so I can not add a personal assessment, but every KR horror story I have heard or read has had an under trained (for this type of aircraft and flying) pilot or at least an under trained tailwheel pilot at the root; rather than a flaw in the KR design. Those that I have questioned who, like you, have sought meaningful and adequate training have all reported that the KRs are some of the most enjoyable planes that they have ever flown. I, despite being a pilot of very modest experience myself, am going to stick my neck out and give my personal list of training/experience goals before testing my own (still in many pieces) KR: 1) Tailwheel Checkout. ---Done. 2) Additional TW time in multiple airplanes. ---Done. 3) Glider training to at least solo, rating preferred. ---Solo Done. 4) Aerobatic and/or unusual attitude training of at least ten hours. ---Done to IAC Intermediate, which is more than needed but great fun. 5) Any flight time that I can beg or barter in any homebuilt. ---Continuing. 6) Since I have not stayed current, refresher time in 2-5 above in the weeks preceding the first time my KR moves under its own power. ---Lots of time left for this. Todd Servaes Brian Kraut wrote: >After I fix my rudder pedals tomorrow the only thing keeping me from >flying is a tailwheel endorsement. > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 18:42:43 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: RE: KR>rudder pedals Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 >Reply-To: serge.vidal@ate-international.com, KR builders and >pilots >To: "'KR builders and pilots'" >Subject: RE: KR>rudder pedals >Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 10:25:00 +0100 > >...Er... That is highly debatable. I once got a jammed rudder My point in removing the rudder cable from the braking system was a broken rudder horn or snapped cable at the rudder pedal makes for a free trailing rudder. Not a pretty sight with a taildragger.......brakes or no brakes. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:00:55 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>tailwheel training Message-ID: <3F5E5BA7.00000A.02996@Computer> References: <3F5E5545.5030706@vfr.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 8 Is there really such a thing as a "tailwheel" endorsement. I have a good many hours in a tailwheel KR and have no such "endorsement". I was eithe= r lucky or not lucky back when I first flew mine because there either was n= o such rule, or I was oblivious to it. I knew almost nothing about flying = a tailwheel and certainly was lucky to get through it without killing mysel= f or destroying my plane.=0D =0D I need a refresher, a long one, to get my license current before flying again and asked my "to be" instructor if he had a tailwheel plane to give= me the instruction and check ride in, no luck there. =0D =0D It is too bad that there isn't a school somewhere in the country that specializes in tailwheel training, like the RV "transition" school. Howe= ver for that, you even have to already be experienced in the type plane that you are getting transition training for. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From AviationMech@aol.com Tue Sep 09 16:18:45 2003 Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.104]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19wrkz-000LGn-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 16:18:45 -0700 Received: from AviationMech@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id g.70.31db16b6 (2168) for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:20:49 -0400 (EDT) From: AviationMech@aol.com Message-ID: <70.31db16b6.2c8fba51@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:20:49 EDT Subject: Re: KR>tailwheel training To: krnet@mylist.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6018 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: In a message dated 9/9/2003 7:06:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DanRH@AllTel.net writes: > no > such rule You are correct, at one point there was no such rule. I don't know when the requirement became law, but if you had taildragger time you were grandfathered. I flew mine with no prior TD time and only 60 hours total time. The difficult part is learning to track straight down the runway and lift the tail., Once you are up on the mains, the rudder will steer the plane just like you do when you lift the nose of a 152 early prior to takeoff. landing is the reverse, you can stay on the mains until the tail won't fly any more, then you hold the stack back to pin the tail down and stop, while steering with the tail wheel. I have flown only one other tail wheel aircraft and the principals of lifting the tail ASAP and keeping the tail up until it falls were the same. Other then that the KR is unique in the way it feels. Orma AKA AviationMech KR2 N110LR 1984 to Present www.members.aol.com/aviationmech also see me at www.aviation-mechanics.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:21:56 -0400 From: To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Non KR related Message-ID: <20030909232156.QCWE21511.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 anyone know why I'm recieving double posts of every message today? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:46:08 -0500 From: "Mark Youkey" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Notams Message-ID: <004e01c3772c$8ad929a0$7e7e0c44@blah> References: <004c01c376cf$9c727340$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 I happen to be a crew dog on AWACS, and found myself dealing with Air Force One just the other day. I've even rolled some F-15's in on a guy in a spam can to figure out what he was up to, but that happened several months ago. If you wind up getting a fly-by from an F-15, your bad day isn't over when he discovers that you don't have any weapons...you just get to keep flying without getting shot down. When you land, from what I understand, the cops or the FBI comes and sits you down and figures out just why you did what you did. Not too fun, I'd say. So, here are a few things that could get you looked at in a funny way: -Being inside the no-fly area (no brainer, but easy to do if you don't know where it is) -Not talking to center -Not squawking anything -Squawking 1200 (especially when you aren't talking to center) -Not responding to the "Unknown aircraft at location (lat/lon) state your intentions" call on guard Precautions you should take, if you don't read the notams: -Know your position in coordinates -File a flight plan -Monitor 121.5 or 243.0 (as if there are any UHF radios on any KR's) -Squawk If you are hearing the callsigns Darkstar, Bandsaw, Goliath, Chalice, or even Dragnet used on guard, someone is about to have a bad day. Fly safe. I'll be flying on Friday (not making it to Red Oak), and I hope I don't have to talk to anyone on guard, even though it would make my mission a bit more interesting. Mark Youkey myoukey@cox.net Oklahoma City ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 7:40 AM Subject: KR>Notams To All, PLEASE READ: The President is out flying around and has a mobile TFR (Temp Flight Restriction) area of 60 nm around Air Force One, where ever he happens to be. Be sure to get a complete briefing from a preflight briefer and make sure he advises you of all published as well as unpublished notams, since alot of you will be flying into new areas and are unfamiliar with things local pilots already know. AOPA website keeps an advisory section on alot of notams and TFRs and has graphical displays of them for ease of use. You don't need to get intercepted on the way to having fun! Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!_______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 18:52:45 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>ground plane Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030909185245.007c2a80@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <007601c37713$b7d0bc20$fe393818@ph.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 I want to put the antennas vertically in the rear of the fuselage, except for the transponder which I will put under the pilot seat projecting to the exterior. I am thinking alum disks would work, but have no idea as to what size they would have to be. Any help or suggestions will be appreciated. >From: resauer@cox.net +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ For my ELT antenna ground plane I used "tin foil" and attached it to the fuselage floor with spray adhesive. Just make sure you have a good connection between the foil and where it attaches to the ground connection on the antenna. As for the transponder antenna under the pilots seat, someone on the net might know if the radiation that close to your body is a wise decision or not. Are you through having children? :-) I once heard a report of a police officer getting cancer from his radar gun as he always placed it on his lap when not shooting motorist. True or not it's food for thought. Your xponder will be putting out radiation with each reply it sends out. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:06:55 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant Message-ID: <410-2200393100655360@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12 Who is aeroeng39@aol.com. I wish people on the net would give us the courtesy of a signature block Robert J. (Jack) Cooper CW-4 retired kr2cooper@earthlink.net http://www.jackandsandycoooper.com/kr2 Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 9/1/03 2:18:14 PM > Subject: Re: KR>assembly plant > > Mr. Brigadier General wrote: > > I am a former Marine General who has flown over 30 > years, but I must admit that I am a novice at the > building process and realize that the more I know, the > better the plane will be. We want to include a BRS, a portable oxygen > system, long range fuel tanks, transponder and GPS as part of the > stock plane, not an option. > > Reply: > I've been reading all the hoopla about a factory for the Kr. I enjoy the KR > Net. I receive great amounts of info. (Special thanks to Mark > Langford, Dana > Overall), If there is true intent to be conjoined with Jeanette R then Mr. > Brigadier should be seeking a forum with her alone. > > My personal opinion is backed up by 20 years pure aviation. I have > flown for > the Military for 10 as a Chief Warrant Officer. I have flown literally half > way around the world with 5 years over sea's even with the unfortunate > experience of going down twice. I was responsible for saving the lives of my crew and > most of my ship anyway. Of course the engine and transmission were > toast. But > those that flew with me as well as myself (obviously) are still > walking Gods > green earth. No medals, I did what the military trained me to do and I know I've > received the best flight training in the world. I was trained by > Vietnam > veterans. > > I am licensed and qualified in both Helicopter (Huey's to the Apache) and > fixed wing. I have been slowly but surely, building my KR2S for KR netters > obvious reasons. > > I am not currently an engineer. But have been enrolled as a full time student > for the past 20 months majoring in Aerospace Engineering. With the > past 5 > years as a Senior Technical writer within the Aerospace Industry. > > In my own experience, I have built them, fixed them, flown them till > they > broke apart "literally", studied them, and have been writing the books on them. > > I chose this aircraft for all the reasons everyone else has. Because I love > to fly. It is not only what I do, but it is who I am. As it is for all those > that love the experience and true freedom of flight. > > Being a military man I am not surprised if Mr. Brigadier is a general. > > First of all, to even think of putting all that garbage on a well > proven > platform until it is no longer a kit aircraft, until it is no longer simple to > build, until it is so heavy that it can't get off the ground and > finally until it > is no longer affordable, is just like the military. > > Second, if Mr. Brigadier is a general, being a military man myself, I know > the only thing he flew for the 30 years was a desk. He may have his wings, but > that doesn't mean he actually flew. I know when my general got in my bird, I > didn't allow him to even operate the radio, and I "was" in an aviation unit. > > This aircraft I chose because I wanted to create a flying machine that would > incorporate not only the proven sound engineering of RR, but also my > own > knowledge of flight experience as well as my personality. A few Pre-fabricated > parts are nice, but there still is the 51% rule to contend with as > well. > > Lastly, my ethics, morality, integrity, character and tenacity to > attempt to > achieve flight by my own fabrication have been shaped by the purity of the > love for flying and the machines that allow me to cheat the bounds of gravity. > > I believe that all those that are involved with this KR net forum, > carry > these same traits and would speak to them as brothers of a common and noble quest. > > To Mr. Brigadier, the KR is a bird whose feathers were meant to be > shaped by > the sole hands of each individual of whom so ever ventures to join in this > quest of personal accomplishment in bringing out the eagle within us....as > individuals. > > If all of us did want a factory built aircraft,.......we > would......buy > Cessna. > > The journey of building the KR to reach the clouds, is what makes playing in > them, so great. _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:07:56 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Mertic system Message-ID: <410-2200393100756490@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13 I think it was a big mistake not to go to metrics. The world is on one standard and we in the USA on another. Metrics is so easy to learn if we would just do it. Just try to work on an American car and see how many fasteners are American and how many are metric. You never know which wrench to pick up. Robert J. (Jack) Cooper kr2cooper@earthlink.net http://www.jackandsandycoooper.com/kr2 Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > [Original Message] > From: Mark Langford > To: KR builders and pilots > Date: 9/7/03 6:34:32 PM > Subject: Re: KR>Building a KR2 > > Fraser wrote: > > > I just wish all you guys would give your measurements in real terms, > > ie millimeters, kg, Newtons, etc, instead of these ancient english > > imperial things. Pity you didn' t throw the imperial system > > overboard with the tea > > in Boston, all those years ago! Makes my head ache, having to do > > the conversions. > > I agree wholeheartedly! We almost got smart and made the big move to metric > in the seventies, but somehow the effort got side tracked, and we're > mired in the dark ages again. There's nothing worse than a slug! I'm > 100% for the move to metric. I lived in Germany for three years and > loved it (and for many other reasons)... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:07:59 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Stick and pedals Message-ID: <410-2200393100759460@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 14 KR netheads I have recently been working on my stick and elevator controls. My friend Giff designed a single center stick that will not bias the aileron cables. I have the stick and elevator control tubes installed (not permantely as you can see) an have full range on the elevator. Just published some pictures to my website. see my stick and pedals at http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/stickandpedals Robert J. (Jack) Cooper kr2cooper@earthlink.net http://www.jackandsandycoooper.com/kr2 Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.From kr2cooper@earthlink.net Tue Sep 09 17:06:33 2003 Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.188]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19wsVF-000M2v-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:06:33 -0700 Received: from user-0c8hlqn.cable.mindspring.com ([24.136.215.87] helo=earthlink.net) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19wsXM-0002AB-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:08:44 -0700 Message-ID: <410-2200393100757920@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2003.3.84.0 (Windows) From: "Jack Cooper" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Fuel Sight Guage Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:07:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 43a40ff3c21252eb71639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da940d19034a815f7e5a84c0b0e079713503c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: kr2cooper@earthlink.net, KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I did a search of the CD and found several "sight gauge" lines but not the one you mentioned. I would also be interested in it. Robert J. (Jack) Cooper kr2cooper@earthlink.net http://www.jackandsandycoooper.com/kr2 Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > [Original Message] > From: Ross Youngblood > To: KR builders and pilots > Date: 9/8/03 4:46:34 AM > Subject: Re: KR>Fuel Sight Guage > > I was going to use that technique on my KR's > header sight gauge. I don't recall what issue. > If you find it before me...send me an email. > I have all the back issues on CD-ROM and also > hardcopies from '88-93 but need to look through them. > -- Ross > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Goreebethray@aol.com > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:35:16 EDT > To: krnet@mylist.net > Subject: KR>Fuel Sight Guage > > > A few years ago in an edition of the KR Newaletter, There was a picture or > > drawing of a fuel sight guage that had a series of lines about a quarter inch > > wide, alternating dark and white lines that were at a 45 degree > > angle. This > > was placed behind the sight guage and made the fuel show up better. Does > > anyone know the issue date or number or can fill in some of the > > blanks for me> > > Ray goreebethray@aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > -- > ____________________________________________ > http://www.operamail.com > Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year > > > Powered by Outblaze > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:10:23 EDT From: JSMONDAY@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>change of operating limitations Message-ID: <150.23b38618.2c8fc5ef@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 15 You bring up an interesting point! So if you upgraded your plane to a minimum IFR requirements, and have an FAA Repairmans certificate, can you sign it off for IFR also??? Thanks, John Monday Laguna Beach, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 19:37:49 -0500 From: larry flesner To: kr2cooper@earthlink.net,KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Mertic system Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030909193749.007a0e30@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <410-2200393100756490@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 16 >I think it was a big mistake not to go to metrics. The world is on one >standard and we in the USA on another. Metrics is so easy to learn if >we would just do it. Robert J. (Jack) Cooper +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= After I finally learned that the wrench size between 5/8" and 3/4" is an 11/16" you want me to learn to count from 1 to 10 too? Please say it isn't so ........ . :-( Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:05:57 -0500 From: "JIM VANCE" To: "krnet" Subject: KR>Pushrod fairings Message-ID: <001001c377a4$cd8cbb40$0a00a8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 17 I want to put fairings around the aileron pushrods. What is the best = way to attach them to the painted wing surface so they will stay on, but = I can remove them for inspections? Also, what's the best way to attach the cover over the joint between the = wings and the stub wings? Jim Vance = Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 21:11:16 EDT From: JEHayward@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>(no subject) Message-ID: <1e3.fa2935c.2c8fd434@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 18 In a message dated 9/9/03 2:48:24 PM Mountain Daylight Time, resauer@cox.net writes: << I am thinking alum disks would work, but have no idea as to what size they would have to be. >> Bob, ideally they should be about 5% larger or a 23" disk. You will also find that four 23" wires or "radials" will work as well and may be easier to fit into your area. Shorter can work but you may find the vswr increasing. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 21:22:07 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>tailwheel training Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 19 Todd, while your preferences for safe flight are well grounded, I believe Brian's question related to whether it was legal to operate an experimental class tailwheel airplane without the actual endorsement. Does anyone have an FAR book handy to look up exemptions under section K (I think). I have my high performance and complex but I don't believe you have to have either endorsement to operate an experimental class with >200HP or CS prop/and or gear. Without these exemptions, it would hold true one would have to hold a complex endorsement to operated a retractable gear KR. Todd, I agree wholeheartedly, get adequate training. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive >From: Todd Servaes >Reply-To: KR builders and pilots >To: KR builders and pilots >Subject: Re: KR>tailwheel training >Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:33:41 -0700 > >Brian, > >By all means get adequate (probably more training than just enough for >the >endorsement) tailwheel training before proceeding with the testing of your >KR. Limited tailwheel proficiency may even have been a contributing factor >to your pedal failure. > >I have yet to fly a KR so I can not add a personal assessment, but >every KR >horror story I have heard or read has had an under trained (for this type >of aircraft and flying) pilot or at least an under trained tailwheel pilot >at the root; rather than a flaw in the KR design. Those that I have >questioned who, like you, have sought meaningful and adequate training have >all reported that the KRs are some of the most enjoyable planes that they >have ever flown. > >I, despite being a pilot of very modest experience myself, am going to >stick my neck out and give my personal list of training/experience goals >before testing my own (still in many pieces) KR: > >1) Tailwheel Checkout. ---Done. >2) Additional TW time in multiple airplanes. ---Done. >3) Glider training to at least solo, rating preferred. ---Solo Done. >4) Aerobatic and/or unusual attitude training of at least ten hours. >---Done to IAC Intermediate, which is more than needed but great fun. >5) Any flight time that I can beg or barter in any homebuilt. >---Continuing. >6) Since I have not stayed current, refresher time in 2-5 above in the >weeks preceding the first time my KR moves under its own power. ---Lots of >time left for this. > >Todd Servaes > >Brian Kraut wrote: > >>After I fix my rudder pedals tomorrow the only thing keeping me from >>flying is a tailwheel endorsement. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html >> >> > > > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _________________________________________________________________ Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 18:46:12 -0700 From: "David Mikesell" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>tailwheel training Message-ID: <000901c3773d$51251140$06fea8c0@davids> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 20 no endorsement is required to operate a experimental class aircraft. You can fly a gyro or even helicopter if it is registered experimental with just a fixed wing license or vise versa with a rotorwing license.........now if it is for insurance purposes yes you do require the endorsement to qualify for most insurance companies. David Mikesell skyguynca@skyguynca.com www.skyguynca.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 6:22 PM Subject: Re: KR>tailwheel training > Todd, while your preferences for safe flight are well grounded, I > believe Brian's question related to whether it was legal to operate an experimental > class tailwheel airplane without the actual endorsement. Does anyone > have an FAR book handy to look up exemptions under section K (I > think). I have my high performance and complex but I don't believe > you have to have either > endorsement to operate an experimental class with >200HP or CS > prop/and or gear. Without these exemptions, it would hold true one > would have to hold a > complex endorsement to operated a retractable gear KR. > > Todd, I agree wholeheartedly, get adequate training. > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive > > > > > > >From: Todd Servaes > >Reply-To: KR builders and pilots > >To: KR builders and pilots > >Subject: Re: KR>tailwheel training > >Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:33:41 -0700 > > > >Brian, > > > >By all means get adequate (probably more training than just enough > >for the > >endorsement) tailwheel training before proceeding with the testing of your > >KR. Limited tailwheel proficiency may even have been a contributing factor > >to your pedal failure. > > > >I have yet to fly a KR so I can not add a personal assessment, but > >every KR > >horror story I have heard or read has had an under trained (for this > >type of aircraft and flying) pilot or at least an under trained > >tailwheel pilot > >at the root; rather than a flaw in the KR design. Those that I have > >questioned who, like you, have sought meaningful and adequate > >training have > >all reported that the KRs are some of the most enjoyable planes that > >they have ever flown. > > > >I, despite being a pilot of very modest experience myself, am going > >to stick my neck out and give my personal list of training/experience > >goals before testing my own (still in many pieces) KR: > > > >1) Tailwheel Checkout. ---Done. > >2) Additional TW time in multiple airplanes. ---Done. > >3) Glider training to at least solo, rating preferred. ---Solo Done. > >4) Aerobatic and/or unusual attitude training of at least ten hours. > >---Done to IAC Intermediate, which is more than needed but great fun. > >5) Any flight time that I can beg or barter in any homebuilt. > >---Continuing. > >6) Since I have not stayed current, refresher time in 2-5 above in > >the weeks preceding the first time my KR moves under its own power. > >---Lots of > >time left for this. > > > >Todd Servaes > > > >Brian Kraut wrote: > > > >>After I fix my rudder pedals tomorrow the only thing keeping me from > >>flying is a tailwheel endorsement. > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need more e-mail storage? 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