From: krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:33 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 154, Issue 3 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: guard - emergency (Jack Cooper) 2. RE: Metric system [ NON_KR SUBJECT] (Jack Cooper) 3. RE: Metric system [ NON_KR SUBJECT] (mailbox bob at mail.flyboybob.com) 4. Control stops (Colin) 5. RE: Metric system [ NON_KR SUBJECT] (larry severson) 6. Re: License (Dan Heath) 7. None KR (Bob Stone) 8. Re: elevator balancing of kr2S (Barry Kruyssen) 9. Re: Pitot/static parts scrounge (Mark Youkey) 10. Re: change of operating limitations (Brian Kraut) 11. Re: tailwheel training (Brian Kraut) 12. Re: change of operating limitations (Brian Kraut) 13. Re: Notams (Mark Youkey) 14. Re: change of operating limitations (Brian Kraut) 15. RE: Metric system-assembly plants (Dana Overall) 16. Re: tailwheel training (Brian Kraut) 17. Re: Pitot/static parts scrounge (Brian Kraut) 18. Re: change of operating limitations (Dana Overall) 19. Re: Pitot/static parts scrounge (Steve Glover) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:07:35 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>guard - emergency Message-ID: <410-22003931019735270@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 Most military UHF and VHF radios have the capability of monitoring the selected frequency plus monitor guard. There is usually very little traffic on guard and so if you are talking to ATC and some traffic comes on guard one flip of the switch cuts out guard. In a combat situation when aircraft are being shot down monitoring or transmitting on guard is the best way to assure quick recovery of the crew of the downed aircraft. Also If you are going down one flip of a switch allows you to transmit on guard. If I have an emergency in a KR or any civilian aircraft I will make my MAYDAY call on whatever frequency I happen to be on and hope someone will pick it up. If time allows for a frequency change then first action should be to set the transponder to 7700 and then I may go to the guard frequency but probably to a frequency where I know I'll be heard. Robert J. (Jack) Cooper kr2cooper@earthlink.net http://www.jackandsandycoooper.com/kr2 Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > [Original Message] > From: Dana Overall > To: > Date: 9/10/03 7:00:25 AM > Subject: Re: KR>Notams > > >From: "Mark Youkey" > >So, here are a few things that could get you looked at in a funny > >way: -Squawking 1200 (especially when you aren't talking to center) > >Precautions you should take, if you don't read the notams: -Monitor > >121.5 or 243.0 (as if there are any UHF radios on any KR's) -Squawk > > > > > Center considers the 1200 code to be just what it is designed to do, notify > controllers that you are a VFR aircraft. Anything above 10K and you > are > required to have a transponder squawking 1200 unless you are on either > flight following or and IFR flight plan. A VFR flight plan does not require > talking with anyone or use of a transponder code. > > As you leave controlled airspace, one told to "squawking 1200 and have > a > good day". I just have no idea why someone would be "looked at" for > practicing a universally accepted aviation safety method. Mark, why would > that be? > > Moniter guard? It is something that was non present pre 9/11. > However, > most of the aircraft owners you are talking to on this forum will only have > one radio. Better to listen to unicom, center, approach or "guard". > I know > who I would be listening to and it wouldn't be guard. > > Mark, I am truly interested in why squawking 1200 and not talking will get > you looked at? > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:25:36 -0400 From: "Jack Cooper" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>Metric system [ NON_KR SUBJECT] Message-ID: <410-220039310192536750@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 Dean wrote > Americans, and our borrowed English measuring system have > given the rest of the world it's standard of living. Without > Henry Ford, Harvey Firestone, Tom Edison, Donald Trump, Bill > Gates and MILLIONS like them, the rest of the world would > be savages freezing in the dark! Even foreigners like Tesla, > Einstein and Oppenheimer had to come to America and live under our > system for their genius to flourish. > Dean Allen > No offense taken and for the accomplishments you mentioned I'm eternally grateful and fully aware of their impact. But we should be open to better ideals, and the metric system is much better ideal. Its practical, easy to learn and use and we would not need so many tools. > ____Robert J. (Jack) Cooper kr2cooper@earthlink.net http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/kr2 Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:43:24 -0400 From: "mailbox bob at mail.flyboybob.com" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>Metric system [ NON_KR SUBJECT] Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20030910182104.59583.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Dean Allen wrote << At age 52 I have no plans to change. >> Well Dean, I'm 53 so naturally, I've had a little more time for the testosterone to subside. I am equally as proud of our country as you are however, I cannot agree with you that our measurement system is better because of our success. Personally, I am very tired of measuring things in thousands of an inch and then doing the mental gymnastics to see how many 64ths of an inch that is to get the right drill bit. The metric system is much easier to work with and at 53 I'm ready to change to metric in an instant. After all, those of us that are VW powered have been dealing with metric measurements for years. If you think about it, you will realize that change is not a four letter word, especially if it makes our lives easier like the metric system does. Regards, Bob Lee ______________________________ N52BL KR2 Suwanee, GA 30024 91% done only 51% to go! Phone/Fax: 770/844-7501 mailto:bob@flyboybob.com http://flyboybob.com Do not archive ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:45:15 -0400 From: "Colin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Control stops Message-ID: <002001c377d4$0f2bd9d0$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 Virgil, All the Cessna aircraft I fly have a threaded bolt stop for all the = empennage flight controls at the end of the boom, at the control = surface. Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From crainey1@cfl.rr.com Wed Sep 10 13:10:20 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.1.41]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19xBIC-000AwG-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:10:20 -0700 Received: from Beverly (5.70.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.70.5]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id h8AKCW9A028868 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007d01c377d7$93efdbf0$05462141@Beverly> From: "Colin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:10:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Making sense X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Okay, so what if you CAN legally sneak it in, does it make sense to fly = your tailwheel airplane if certified planes ARE required to have an = endorsement/training? Seems to me the only difference really is whether = you really want to experiment with both your life and the airplane or = just the airplane. Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From crainey1@cfl.rr.com Wed Sep 10 13:12:17 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.1.35]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19xBK5-000B1t-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 13:12:17 -0700 Received: from Beverly (5.70.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.70.5]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.5) with SMTP id h8AKETLE018145 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008801c377d7$d98daac0$05462141@Beverly> From: "Colin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:12:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Trans antenna X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Serge, Unless you included some kind of shielding from the radiation of the = antenna, you might as well have stuck your head into a microwave. Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From larry2@socal.rr.com Wed Sep 10 14:35:20 2003 Received: from orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com ([66.75.160.17]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19xCcS-000Bgl-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:35:20 -0700 Received: from SteveCanyon.socal.rr.com (cpe-66-75-117-49.socal.rr.com [66.75.117.49]) by orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h8ALXDQ29277 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030910143616.027daf78@pop-server.socal.rr.com> X-Sender: larry2@pop-server.socal.rr.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:37:32 -0700 To: KR builders and pilots From: larry severson Subject: Re: KR>Complex In-Reply-To: <163.25708986.2c908e6a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I wanted one also. Checked IVO & Powerfin. Gave up as a waste of time and money. They work with slow speed ultralights. At 10:25 AM 9/10/2003 -0400, you wrote: >I am interested in putting an in flight adjustable pitch prop in my kr2s >which has a 1915 cc V.W. in it what would be the best performing prop and >where >can I get one? > >Thanks Joel >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:42:56 -0700 From: larry severson To: KR builders and pilots Subject: RE: KR>Metric system [ NON_KR SUBJECT] Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030910144201.02838b10@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20030910182104.59583.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5 >Well Dean, I'm 53 so naturally, I've had a little more time for the >testosterone to subside. I am equally as proud of our country as you are >however, I cannot agree with you that our measurement system is better >because of our success. >Bob Lee I am 63 and I agree with Bob Lee! Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:05:24 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>License Message-ID: <3F5FA024.000022.02996@Computer> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20030910060726.027d7768@pop-server.socal.rr.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6 You logged it the first time, why not log it again. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:09:46 AM=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: Re: KR>License=0D =0D Interesting problem: I have an ATP. I also have 8 hours in a J2 cub=0D taildragger. My problem is that the log book that contained that=0D information got lost in my divorce.=0D =0D At 11:18 PM 9/9/2003 -0400, you wrote:=0D >One exception: the KR2 being a 2 seat aircraft, and not an ultralight,=0D >must have a private license to operate.=0D >Dana is correct: paragraph i(1) of the FAR 61.31 states that anyone=0D >desiring to act as pic must have a one time training and endorsement for= =0D >acting as pic for a tailwheel airplane. No exception is given for=0D >experimental operation.=0D >Colin Rainey KR2(td)=0D >crainey1@cfl.rr.com=0D >Sanford, Florida=0D >FLY SAFE!!!!_______________________________________________=0D >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D Larry Severson=0D Fountain Valley, CA 92708=0D (714) 968-9852=0D larry2@socal.rr.com=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom fa.mcgregor@qut.edu.au Wed Sep 10 15:14:36 2003 Received: from mail-router01.qut.edu.au ([131.181.254.7]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19xDES-000C6k-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:14:36 -0700 Received: from PIC-FM.qut.edu.au (civil-pg-mb.civl.bee.qut.edu.au [131.181.76.150]) by mail-router01.qut.edu.au (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id ALG02599 (AUTH mcgregfa); Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:16:48 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030911080344.00bc7258@pop.qut.edu.au> X-Sender: mcgregfa@pop.qut.edu.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:16:46 +1000 To: KR builders and pilots From: Fraser McGregor Subject: RE: KR>Metric system [ NON_KR SUBJECT] In-Reply-To: <20030910182104.59583.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20030910200856.00b84388@pop.qut.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: And without wanting to offend anyone over there in the US of A, isn't that also the home of political correctness and litigation that you have managed to export to us here in OZ? Gee, we are so much bettor off now with that over here. We now can't get insurance on our planes for passengers. Thanks for giving our lawyers such wonderful ideas, on how to screw us! However good sense and science and the benefit of useful ways of looking at things, measuring them, and describing them, like metric system, shouldn't be discarded because it came from a different political persuasion. The idea that my way is the best way because it is my way seems pretty hollow, today, Sept 11th. I would like to think that the comment that one below has to be either tounge in cheek or the height or depth of redneckism. If it wasn''t for the people from other countries and cultures and ideas, you wouldn't have jack s**t. After all, it was the french who taught you how to be a republic! And the Irish who gave you jack daniels. Atomic power? Einstein and his mates. >Now, sorry if I offend anyone but it seems just plain NUTS to >me that after all of the above, and much more, we are supposed to >kiss the asses of our intellectual, mental, moral and military >inferiors and adopt THEIR way of doing anything! At 11:21 AM 10/09/2003 -0700, you wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:14:50 -0500 From: "Bob Stone" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>None KR Message-ID: <002b01c377f1$560508a0$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 Netters, and mostly to the guy who thinks the greatness of our country is due to our system of measurments. This country is the most powerful country on earth for one simple reason. We have a system that allows people the freedom to be the best they can be. Not only that but when we identify an individual who has a higher IQ than average there are many schollarships available to insure that a good mind is not wasted. We are not perfect nor is any other country but we are more close to perfect than any country I have been in. I have seen most of the countries in Europe and about half of the countries in the far east and believe we have the most compfortable and highest standard of living than anywhere else. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:13:50 +1000 From: Barry Kruyssen To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>elevator balancing of kr2S Message-ID: <005801c377f1$37908e30$c102070a@t1w419> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 8 Yeh Ross Evans, Please contact me off net at kr2@bigpond.com Thanks Barry Kruyssen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Evans" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 9:48 PM Subject: KR>elevator balancing of kr2S > hi I have purchased a kr2S project in Australia it has the turtle deck > completeted and the glass around the tail is done. Is it necessary to > balance the tail and how can it be done with out cutting into an already > built plane as i have a engine of 110 hp with a reduction drive and I worry > that flutter could become a problem. What oppinions are there around > cheers Ross > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get less junk mail with ninemsn Premium. Click here > http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:47:55 -0500 From: "Mark Youkey" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Pitot/static parts scrounge Message-ID: <001b01c377f5$f4d7ebb0$7e7e0c44@blah> References: <006001c37658$04cf4d00$7e7e0c44@blah> <3F5EF3D6.000019.02996@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 >What is DRMO? DRMO stands for something that I can't remember. Basically, when the military gets done using something, they send it to DRMO, and DRMO sells it to the publice via an auction. Some of the stuff is absolute crap, and only worth scrap metal, but other stuff is brand new, that somebody bought too many of, or the program got changed/cancelled before the equipment got used. The concept is....one man's trash is another man's treasure. Bidding starts out at $35 if I'm not mistaken. I know a guy who bought 4 OV-10's in crates for $36,000 all together. He later sold them for a total of $480,000. Not a bad find. I think there is a search on the site, so it would be easy to see if they have any disgarded AN5814-12's. The website to get you started is: http://www.drms.dla.mil/sales/ v/r Mark Youkey myoukey@cox.net Oklahoma City ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:58:07 -0400 From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>change of operating limitations Message-ID: <3F5FBA8F.8040705@earthlink.net> References: <4336369.1063109582647.JavaMail.nobody@grover.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <019201c376d2$e8a2f7f0$8d00a8c0@dad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 I fly Cherokees and 152s at night and I really can't see what the difference is in a KR. I may find out different when I try it, but I think it is worth it just to not be illegal if I get delayed a little one day and can't land before the sun goes down. Ed Janssen wrote: >Brian, > >For a number of reasons, many KR pilots have voiced their opinions against >flying at night in a KR. You may want to rethink the idea. A search of the >archives will probably give you some reasons, but maybe someone with direct >experience will restate their comments. > >Ed Janssen >mailto:ejanssen@chipsnet.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian Kraut" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:14 AM >Subject: KR>change of operating limitations > > >>I have added lights to my KR. Does anyone know what the correct procedure >> >is to change my operating limitations from VFR day to VFR night? Is this >something I can do myself or do I have to contact the FSDO to get this >changed, and if so, do they come and do an inspection? > >>_______________________________________________ >>see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:00:38 -0400 From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>tailwheel training Message-ID: <3F5FBB26.10601@earthlink.net> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Thanks. I looked in 61.31, but stopped before I got to the exceptions. I have rechecked the rules and searched some other sites on the net am now certain that I don't need the signoff, but I do need to at least get more proficient and will definitely get a signoff as soon as I can find someone to do it. Dana Overall wrote: >> From: Brian Kraut >> >> Also, someone told me that you don't need a tailwheel endorsement for >> an experimental. FAR 61.31 (i) seems pretty specific to me about >> requiring the endorsement, not to mention that lawyers will jump on >> not having it in an accident weather it is required or not. I think >> it is required. Anyone know different? > > > Brian, the following are some excerpts from 61.31. I don't have the > FAR in front of me so if you could look up section K exceptions (2) > iii. If you could throw this out on the KRNet, I would appreciate it > if someone would verify or not whether I recall this as stated below. > > > "The pilot in command of this aircraft SHALL hold a category/class > rating, or an authorized instructor's logbook endorsement. The pilot in > command MUST meet the requirements of 61.31 (e), (f), (g), (h), (i), > and (j) as appropriate." > > > > The exceptions in (k) do apply. It clearly states in (k) Exceptions. > (2) The > rating limitations of this section do not apply to-- > (iii) The holder of a pilot certificate when operating an aircraft > under the > authority of an experimental or provisional aircraft type certificate; > > Insurance will certainly require it, but if you don't have an approved > engine, you're uninsurable in your KR anyway. > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:01:40 -0400 From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>change of operating limitations Message-ID: <3F5FBB64.4070003@earthlink.net> References: <4336369.1063109582647.JavaMail.nobody@grover.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <3.0.6.32.20030909154003.0082d100@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 I plan on calling the FSDO and getting the official response. I will post my findings. larry flesner wrote: > >>Brian, >> > >As for flying your KR at night, that will be directly related to >your confidence level in your KR and to your piloting ability. >At one of the Gatherings in Kentucky, some guy and his >girlfriend flew in from Florida at 3:00am in the morning. I had >a motel room across the road from the airport and couldn't >sleep when I heard what sounded like a VW speeding by >on the highway. I thought to myself, "Bugs" don't run that >fast on the highway so I stepped outside to look and saw >the KR circling to land. > >As to getting your restriction lifted, see what you operating >limitations state. If you are limited to "day only" unless >equiped with proper lighting, or however it's stated, then you >may be able to make a log entry stating that the proper >lighting for "night VFR" was installed and that may lift the >restriction. One of the FAA offices could give you the >OFFICAL answer. > >Larry Flesner > > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:00:50 -0500 From: "Mark Youkey" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Notams Message-ID: <002301c377f7$c2afbb70$7e7e0c44@blah> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 > Mark, I am truly interested in why squawking 1200 and not talking will get > you looked at? Normally it wouldn't. But, if the president is flying by, or you are close to a nuclear plant, or something like that...I pretty much know from center who everyone is, what kind of plane they are in, etc., except for the guys in the area squawking 1200, and not talking to everyone. Put yourself in a controller's shoes...you are tasked to keep Air Force One safe. Look at all the aircraft that are going to come close to AF1... Now, rack and stack them as if they are all threats. Then, take action on the possible threats (ie, direct an intercept). Now take action on the ones you aren't sure about (Direct an intercept to ID the aircraft) in order to determine if they are a threat. So, if the president is actively flying around, and you are responsible for his safety, wouldn't you take a second look at unknown aircraft? I know it's a far cry, but a MiG can fly VFR, squawking 1200 as easily as a KR can. Now, if you are nowhere near any sensitive area, then "squawk 1200 and have a good day" and don't give it a second thought. My whole point was to emphasize the importance of keeping up with notams, but I think that got lost in the translation. Sorry for the confusion. Mark Youkey myoukey@cox.net Oklahoma City ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:11:16 -0400 From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>change of operating limitations Message-ID: <3F5FBDA4.4010703@earthlink.net> References: <150.23b38618.2c8fc5ef@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 Definitely not. The only thing the repairmans certificate entitles you to is the condition inspection. JSMONDAY@aol.com wrote: >You bring up an interesting point! > >So if you upgraded your plane to a minimum IFR requirements, and have an FAA >Repairmans certificate, can you sign it off for IFR also??? > >Thanks, >John Monday >Laguna Beach, CA >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:12:19 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: RE: KR>Metric system-assembly plants Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 15 I vote we take this useless thread off list, like the assembly line, so you guys can argue the merits of 19/64 over 22cm. I know which one I like, pass me that liter of rum, fill it about 30mm. BTW, I'm 48. I learning real quick I don't care for this NON-KR subject line. I say keep it KR!! Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:18:25 -0400 From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>tailwheel training Message-ID: <3F5FBF51.1000903@earthlink.net> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 16 You are correct, my question was just weather it was legal, which I now know it is. I won't fly until I feel I am competent, but if I can get some training at the gathering I may be ready to go and not have a signoff. I still want the signoff even if I don't leagally need it. Dana Overall wrote: > Todd, while your preferences for safe flight are well grounded, I > believe Brian's question related to whether it was legal to operate an > experimental class tailwheel airplane without the actual endorsement. > Does anyone have an FAR book handy to look up exemptions under section > K (I think). I have my high performance and complex but I don't > believe you have to have either endorsement to operate an experimental > class with >200HP or CS prop/and or gear. Without these exemptions, > it would hold true one would have to hold a complex endorsement to > operated a retractable gear KR. > > Todd, I agree wholeheartedly, get adequate training. > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com > do not archive > > > > > >> From: Todd Servaes >> Reply-To: KR builders and pilots >> To: KR builders and pilots >> Subject: Re: KR>tailwheel training >> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 15:33:41 -0700 >> >> Brian, >> >> By all means get adequate (probably more training than just enough >> for the endorsement) tailwheel training before proceeding with the >> testing of your KR. Limited tailwheel proficiency may even have been >> a contributing factor to your pedal failure. >> >> I have yet to fly a KR so I can not add a personal assessment, but >> every KR horror story I have heard or read has had an under trained >> (for this type of aircraft and flying) pilot or at least an under >> trained tailwheel pilot at the root; rather than a flaw in the KR >> design. Those that I have questioned who, like you, have sought >> meaningful and adequate training have all reported that the KRs are >> some of the most enjoyable planes that they have ever flown. >> >> I, despite being a pilot of very modest experience myself, am going >> to stick my neck out and give my personal list of training/experience >> goals before testing my own (still in many pieces) KR: >> >> 1) Tailwheel Checkout. ---Done. >> 2) Additional TW time in multiple airplanes. ---Done. >> 3) Glider training to at least solo, rating preferred. ---Solo Done. >> 4) Aerobatic and/or unusual attitude training of at least ten hours. >> ---Done to IAC Intermediate, which is more than needed but great fun. >> 5) Any flight time that I can beg or barter in any homebuilt. >> ---Continuing. >> 6) Since I have not stayed current, refresher time in 2-5 above in >> the weeks preceding the first time my KR moves under its own power. >> ---Lots of time left for this. >> >> Todd Servaes >> >> Brian Kraut wrote: >> >>> After I fix my rudder pedals tomorrow the only thing keeping me from >>> flying is a tailwheel endorsement. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need more e-mail storage? Get 10MB with Hotmail Extra Storage. > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:20:30 -0400 From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Pitot/static parts scrounge Message-ID: <3F5FBFCE.4060401@earthlink.net> References: <006001c37658$04cf4d00$7e7e0c44@blah> <3F5EF3D6.000019.02996@Computer> <001b01c377f5$f4d7ebb0$7e7e0c44@blah> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 17 Defense Reutialization and Marketing Office. I used to go to auctions all the time and have found some really great deals. Mark Youkey wrote: >>What is DRMO? >> > >DRMO stands for something that I can't remember. Basically, when the >military gets done using something, they send it to DRMO, and DRMO sells it >to the publice via an auction. Some of the stuff is absolute crap, and only >worth scrap metal, but other stuff is brand new, that somebody bought too >many of, or the program got changed/cancelled before the equipment got used. > >The concept is....one man's trash is another man's treasure. Bidding starts >out at $35 if I'm not mistaken. I know a guy who bought 4 OV-10's in crates >for $36,000 all together. He later sold them for a total of $480,000. Not >a bad find. > >I think there is a search on the site, so it would be easy to see if they >have any disgarded AN5814-12's. > >The website to get you started is: >http://www.drms.dla.mil/sales/ > > >v/r >Mark Youkey >myoukey@cox.net >Oklahoma City > > >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 20:24:50 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>change of operating limitations Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 18 >From: Brian Kraut >Definitely not. The only thing the repairmans certificate entitles you to >is the condition inspection. > >JSMONDAY@aol.com wrote: > >>You bring up an interesting point! >> >>So if you upgraded your plane to a minimum IFR requirements, and have an >>FAA Repairmans certificate, can you sign it off for IFR also??? Sorry Brian, but if you follow the rules I listed in a previous post you can install the equipment, have the required systems checked by an authorized shop and perform the required testing yourself to legally convert your aircraft for IFR operations. The repairman's cert. allows the holder to perform routine main, install new avionics, wiring you name it as long as it is not a major modification, which he can do, at which time that major mod. must be reinspected. The only time an A&P/AI comes into the picture is if, for example, you have a certified engine that you want to remain certified, it must get the signoff and have any work supervised or performed by the ticket holder, not the repairmain holder. Before anyone say it:-), no, the install of a certified engine in an experimental airplane does not automatically de-certify the engine. Man, I wish I were going to the gathering:-( Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:34:53 -0700 From: "Steve Glover" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Pitot/static parts scrounge Message-ID: <003501c377fc$846d10b0$79f2fea9@IntelliSpec> References: <006001c37658$04cf4d00$7e7e0c44@blah><3F5EF3D6.000019.02996@Computer> <001b01c377f5$f4d7ebb0$7e7e0c44@blah> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 >What is DRMO? It's Defense Reutilization and Marketing Office Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Youkey" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:47 PM Subject: Re: KR>Pitot/static parts scrounge > >What is DRMO? > > DRMO stands for something that I can't remember. Basically, when the > military gets done using something, they send it to DRMO, and DRMO sells it > to the publice via an auction. Some of the stuff is absolute crap, and only > worth scrap metal, but other stuff is brand new, that somebody bought too > many of, or the program got changed/cancelled before the equipment got used. > > The concept is....one man's trash is another man's treasure. Bidding starts > out at $35 if I'm not mistaken. I know a guy who bought 4 OV-10's in crates > for $36,000 all together. He later sold them for a total of $480,000. Not > a bad find. > > I think there is a search on the site, so it would be easy to see if they > have any disgarded AN5814-12's. > > The website to get you started is: > http://www.drms.dla.mil/sales/ > > > v/r > Mark Youkey > myoukey@cox.net > Oklahoma City > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 154, Issue 3 *************************************