From: krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 11:21 AM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 159, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. home from Gathering (larry flesner) 2. Re: Glue joints (Todd Servaes) 3. Re: home from Gathering (Mark Jones) 4. Re: Open House (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 5. Re: Glue joints (Peter Johnson) 6. Re: Open House 7. Re: Protocol (Ron Eason) 8. fly-in videos (larry severson) 9. fly-in videos (larry flesner) 10. (no subject) (Tim Brown) 11. sorry about the no subject before.....Wing Tips (Tim Brown) 12. Home from gathering (William Clapp) 13. Red Oak (Mark Langford) 14. My thoughts on Red Oak 15. Re: Glue joints (Dan Heath) 16. My Thoughts on Red Oak (Scott Cable) 17. Re: Glue joints (gleone) 18. Canopy samples (Dana Overall) 19. Re: Re Fly in (bill kirkland) 20. Re: (no subject) (bill kirkland) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 15:37:25 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>home from Gathering Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030914153725.00838550@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <000601c3783f$4b1d73c0$045d7240@s8z8i0> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20030910200856.00b84388@pop.qut.edu.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20030911080344.00bc7258@pop.qut.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 Netters, Mark Langford and I arrived in southern Illinois (home for me) just before 2:00PM local. Great flight with tailwind all the way. Met up with Jim Faughn at Mexico, Missouri for a fuel stop. Our last 75 miles were at 1500 feet AGL under a cloud deck but visibility was o.k. Had a great time seeing everyone again. I haven't read all of my e-mails yet so I don't know if it's been announced that Mt.Vernon, Illinois will be the site of the 2004 Gathering. I hope to see a number of new KR's there and will do my best to insure the Gathering gets bigger and better each year. Thanks to Steve, Linda, Mike, Teri, and everyone that made this years Gathering a VERY fun time. Plan to be there in 2004 ! Date to be announced soon. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:29:19 -0700 From: Todd Servaes To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Glue joints Message-ID: <3F64DDAF.7050104@vfr.net> References: <001201c37a9e$eca0f9e0$6f4d8690@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Hello Gavin, I prefer to mask around the joints with low adhesion and residue tape, and this way simply avoid the glue clean up mess. If you do not prevent the excess glue mess, none of the cleaning methods are any fun. Todd Servaes KR-2S Gavin Donohoe wrote: >Hi all, >I've started to lay the timber out ready for gluing the fuselage sides, >and was wondering, what's the best way to clean up excess glue from the >joints?? Am I better to wipe it off while still wet? or am I better to >let it dry and chip it off? Which is less messy and most successful? > > Gavin > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11/09/2003 >_______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:30:07 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>home from Gathering Message-ID: <00d201c37b07$5f042300$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20030910200856.00b84388@pop.qut.edu.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20030911080344.00bc7258@pop.qut.edu.au> <3.0.6.32.20030914153725.00838550@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 I too arrived home today at 1pm. Glad to hear you and Mark safely made it home. I also would like to say that it was a great time and I really enjoyed meeting and seeing everyone again. Start making your plans for next year because there is going to be a new wave of KR's there with a lot of new award winners. I have made a promise to fly my KR-2S to the 2004 gathering so I am headed to the shop right now to get some work done. GOTTA LOVE IT!!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 3:37 PM Subject: KR>home from Gathering > > > Netters, > > Mark Langford and I arrived in southern Illinois (home for me) just > before 2:00PM local. Great flight with tailwind all the way. Met up > with Jim Faughn at Mexico, Missouri for a fuel stop. Our last 75 miles > were at 1500 feet AGL under a cloud deck but visibility was o.k. > > Had a great time seeing everyone again. I haven't read all of my > e-mails yet so I don't know if it's been announced that Mt.Vernon, > Illinois will be the site of the 2004 Gathering. I hope to see a > number of new KR's there and will do my best to insure the Gathering > gets bigger and better each year. > > Thanks to Steve, Linda, Mike, Teri, and everyone that made this years > Gathering a VERY fun time. > > Plan to be there in 2004 ! Date to be announced soon. > > Larry Flesner > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:11:49 -0400 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Open House Message-ID: <20030914.181149.1008.1.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 I believe that's the weekend for the Virginia EAA Fly In as well in Petersburg. (PTB). After looking at the projected path of this hurricane it will be affecting the weather in this area (PTB)on fri and possibly sat. On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 10:23:58 EDT Frlfarmer@wmconnect.com writes: > There will be a open house at Twin County Airport (HLX) Sep. 20. In > southwest > Virginia near the Blue Ridge Parkway. Homebuilts welcome. Lots of > things to > see and do in the area that weekend. It would be nice to see some of > the KR > people there. For more info e-mail me off the net at > frlfarmer@wmconnect.com or > Tim Brown at twincountyairport@valink.com > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:25:33 -0700 From: "Peter Johnson" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Glue joints Message-ID: <000201c37b20$9c90a180$a6421a45@peter> References: <001201c37a9e$eca0f9e0$6f4d8690@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 Hi Gavin. Definetly clean up excess glue before it sets up. If you wait till it cures and then chip if off, it's not only a lot of hard work, messy when you're finished, and you run the risk of shattering the joint! As for your spar, laminate it up in 1/4" sections or so. 1" thick laminates would be too thick and you would have spring back after you pulled the finished layup off the form. mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca > Hi all, > I've started to lay the timber out ready for gluing the fuselage > sides, and was wondering, what's the best way to clean up excess glue from the joints?? Am I better to wipe it off while still wet? or am I better to let it dry and chip it off? Which is less messy and most successful? > > Gavin > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11/09/2003 > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:18:56 EDT From: Frlfarmer@wmconnect.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Open House Message-ID: <1df.fe0872e.2c965160@wmconnect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 6 With a little luck we may be west of the path of the hurricane (about 350 mi from the cost). It would be a laid back sort of weekend as opposed to the State Fly In. Either would be fun but this could be a showcase for the KR people in the east. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:28:47 -0500 From: "Ron Eason" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Protocol Message-ID: <012801c37b17$f31e4f60$6401a8c0@Administration> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 Thank you Dana for the advice and wise counsel Dana, We know you follow these protocols. We will follow your example. KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 8:29 AM Subject: KR>Protocol > > Gang the protocol for posting has not changed just because someone > said, "hey it's a good idea to put non KR so we can post anything on > the KRNet". Saturday through Thursday the KRNet is reserved for KR > related topics. Friday is open to any aviation related topic. > > This is not the forum to blast other countries, post messages about > the patriot act, lambaste someone claiming your born right to > arrogance. There > are forums for those scared of government intrusion or Rush's website > for American arrogance. > > Let's remember, we are all in the sandbox together. Let's play well > with other's toys. > > > Dana Overall > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering > Richmond, KY > RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" > Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. > http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ > Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. > https://broadband.msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:25:43 -0700 From: larry severson To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>fly-in videos Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030914172423.012a4b18@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <000201c3774d$d69b6080$0200a8c0@schpankme> References: <3.0.6.32.20030909185245.007c2a80@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 8 >I would like to communicate with Video Bob. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:55:50 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>fly-in videos Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20030914195550.00803d60@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030914172423.012a4b18@pop-server.socal.rr.com> References: <000201c3774d$d69b6080$0200a8c0@schpankme> <3.0.6.32.20030909185245.007c2a80@pop.midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9 >>I would like to communicate with Video Bob. >Larry Severson +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ You have just done so as soon as he gets home and reads his e-mail. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:53:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Brown To: KR Net Subject: KR>(no subject) Message-ID: <20030915015324.48282.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 I am fairly certain that I am not the only one building a 2S to install the 33 rib on the spars before reading further (or remembering) to install the foam extensions. The foam extensions call for 2 layers of BID on both sides extended 2" onto the wood spars. (plan sheet W2) I have removed the LE and TE of #33 so I can follow the plans. Because the outer wing foam is already in place between the spars and 5/8" square spruce gussets are T-88d in place, I really don't want to mess that up. Any thoughts about glassing the foam per plans but then put a fillet of thick micro or flox at the junction of the foam to rib and carry the glass onto the rib? One other question/thought. The 29 1/8 rib seems to be irrelevant. The plans show to radius the LE of the wing tip(which you could not do as shown on the plans with the rib installed as shown) and also to round the tip outer edges (again which you could not do with the ply rib there). Are you all not using this rib or just using a portion of it? Are you putting an additional 3 or 4 inches of foam beyond the rib and putting the radius and rounding here? Tim __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:54:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Brown To: KR Net Subject: KR>sorry about the no subject before.....Wing Tips Message-ID: <20030915015454.13999.qmail@web40901.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 I am fairly certain that I am not the only one building a 2S to install the 33 rib on the spars before reading further (or remembering) to install the foam extensions. The foam extensions call for 2 layers of BID on both sides extended 2" onto the wood spars. (plan sheet W2) I have removed the LE and TE of #33 so I can follow the plans. Because the outer wing foam is already in place between the spars and 5/8" square spruce gussets are T-88d in place, I really don't want to mess that up. Any thoughts about glassing the foam per plans but then put a fillet of thick micro or flox at the junction of the foam to rib and carry the glass onto the rib? One other question/thought. The 29 1/8 rib seems to be irrelevant. The plans show to radius the LE of the wing tip(which you could not do as shown on the plans with the rib installed as shown) and also to round the tip outer edges (again which you could not do with the ply rib there). Are you all not using this rib or just using a portion of it? Are you putting an additional 3 or 4 inches of foam beyond the rib and putting the radius and rounding here? Tim __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:12:32 -0400 From: "William Clapp" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Home from gathering Message-ID: <003601c37b2e$d379e900$6efcd241@clapp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 12 To all at gathering, =20 I and my daughter made it home at 7:00 Pm ET with no problems. We = did notice pretty bad looking weather most of the way, so I hope the = rest got home fine. Sam should be home soon and I will check on him = tomorrow. It was a real pleasure to meet yall and put faces to names = and find out that there are a bunch of high quality people in this = group. I thourghly enjoyed my time and learned a lot. I plan to get = more KR work done this year (of course) and hope to see all in Illinois = in '04. Thans to the hosts for putting up with us all and being so = gratious. With many thanks - Bill and Elaine Clapp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:01:32 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRNet" Subject: KR>Red Oak Message-ID: <019301c37b2f$73ea7350$2402a8c0@800Athlon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 13 You guys missed another incredible one, despite only having a few KRs there. There were the usual suspects, but two "new" ones (to many), Steve Alderman's KR2 and John Shaffer's KR2SS. I will pontificate a lot more later, but just had to throw these two photos out for your edification.... http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/030913093m.jpg http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/030913121m.jpg I haven't even thought about reading all the email, but from what I heard at Red Oak, I won't like what I find. I'd have checked it out there, but there was too much to catch up on with the builders and flyers... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:38:43 GMT From: ronlee@pcisys.net To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>My thoughts on Red Oak Message-ID: <200309150337.h8F3bu1x005552@mail.pcisys.net> Precedence: list Message: 14 Like others, I started checking the weather early in the week. Of course, it only matters come departure day and that looked great from Colorado to Red Oak. Left an hour late (10:00 AM) and flew at 17,500' direct to RDK As is my custom, I did something stupid on the way out. About 1.5 hours into the three hour flight, I needed a bathroom stop. No way am I dropping down from 17,500' so I held out hoping the need would go away. It did not. Airports come and go and about 2.5 hours into the flight it became tense. Ever try to cross your legs in flight and operate the rudder correctly? I was using Flight Following and after being handed off to Omaha they keep me from descending. Grumble grumble. Now I am too close to stop. South of Omaha I reach back for an empty water bottle. No joy there either so I was in for the duration. The time to destaination was getting smaller and smaller as the personal problem became more urgent. At one point after seeing Red Oak and changing to 122.8 I imagined crashing on landing due to the situation. I did manage to land safely and after parking the KR-6A (RV-6A in actuality), I hurried to the local banos and all was well. So if the folks around my plane considered me rude for rushing off so quickly, I had a good excuse. Nexr long trip I will have proper apparatus or land. Will not go through that again. The Red Oak airport area is really nice. It is a farming region and the views from above were wonderful. Saturday evening I made a sunset flight and the shadows over the gently rolling hills was beautiful. The FBO lobby was nice with weather computer, lounge, snacks and a courtesy car. The self serve fuel station worked great. Overall, it is a great place to visit and was perfect for the Gathering. This was only my second Gathering but I did recognize several folks from years ago and met others I have seen post here. This is my kind of event. Small, personal and fun. Oshkosh will never see me! The Saturday night dinner was also well arranged. The only "beef" I had is that the roast beef was too rare for my liking and the ham was sub-standard. I did however gets seonds on the mashed potatoes and gravy and string beans. The program was very good and ended with my first hearing of the infamous KR song. Now how did the chorus go? The only down side I would surmise was the minimal chance to ride in a KR. Jim gave rides to people approaching first flight so that was very helpful. Unlike the 97 Perry OK gathering, there was no sign up list for rides. But you can't blame the pilots. There were only six total during the weekend and stuff happens. My perception was that it was a very successful gathering and I am glad I went. It was interesting to see the selection process for the next event. I have seen the many emails on this topic at times and everyone wants it close to them. Seems that the biggie is that someone has to stand up to volunteer. I could not tell if midwesterners "packed" the assembly but the vote was nearly unanimous. The MS contender looked really good as well. Enough of my ramblings. The trip back today took a bit longer but I made it nonstop with no personal problems this time. I held off drinking any water until about 15 minutes from home. So no major screw-ups going home other than trying to climb over a cloud bank when going under it (8500') would have been simpler. Another lesson that I will probably forget. PS, Steve's plane is a screamer. I watched him Saturday and it flew like a fighter. He caught up with me after the video session and it took all 180 HP in my plane to SLOWLY outrun him. His plane is fast! Ron Lee --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 05:37:10 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Glue joints Message-ID: <3F658846.000001.03884@Computer> References: <001201c37a9e$eca0f9e0$6f4d8690@oemcomputer> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 15 Clean it while wet. Just scrape it off, do not use solvent. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Sunday, September 14, 2003 5:37:07 AM=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: KR>Glue joints=0D =0D Hi all,=0D I've started to lay the timber out ready for gluing the fuselage sides, a= nd was wondering, what's the best way to clean up excess glue from the joint= s?? Am I better to wipe it off while still wet? or am I better to let it dry = and chip it off? Which is less messy and most successful?=0D =0D Gavin=0D =0D =0D ---=0D Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.=0D Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).=0D Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11/09/2003=0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom DanRH@alltel.net Mon Sep 15 02:42:58 2003 Received: from mta01.alltel.net ([166.102.165.143] helo=mta01-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19ypso-000Omx-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 02:42:58 -0700 Received: from Computer ([151.213.88.254]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20030915094524.MESW1611.mta01-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 04:45:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3F658A33.000003.03884@Computer> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 05:45:23 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: <7f.3c58f08f.2c92764a@aol.com> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Next year's Gathering. X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Aviation Mech wrote: =0D Red Oak--- I did not get the KR in the air as early as I had planed, and = the=0D storm front will be moving between Red Oak and Michigan this weekend. So,= I=0D have elected to not make the trip. I will be canceling my reservations at the=0D Red Coach Inn tonight. I do wish that Those who attend could vote to hold the=0D event earlier in the season. This time of year always has weather issues.= =0D Here in S. E. Michigan today and tomorrow will be thick fog=0D =0D =0D Orma,=0D =0D Congratulations. We voted to go to Mt. Vernon, hosted by our own Larry Fleshner. We don't get to vote on the date. I fully agree with you, the weather is always a factor at this time of year. I started talking this = up 2 years ago and we got it changed to 2 weeks earlier this year. I would like to see it much earlier when the weather patterns are more benign and= we can get more KRs to the gathering.=0D =0D I think that if people who actually have flying KRs will make their wishe= s known, this may be a strong factor toward getting it at a better time of = the year. I almost lost my life trying to get back from Columbia many years = ago Weather is a very scary thing. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Mon Sep 15 02:52:17 2003 Received: from mta01.alltel.net ([166.102.165.143] helo=mta01-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19yq1p-000OrJ-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 02:52:17 -0700 Received: from Computer ([151.213.88.254]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20030915095442.MFSG1611.mta01-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 04:54:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3F658C62.000005.03884@Computer> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 05:54:42 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: <3.0.6.32.20030912211538.007bd140@pop3.wcoil.com> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR> I am looking for a prop 52 diameter 42 pitch , to put back on the plane X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Contact Ed Sterba and tell him what you need. His contact information is listed at http://www.greatplainsas.com/ and I would give that to you, but cannot get to that site right now. =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Mon Sep 15 03:39:14 2003 Received: from mta02.alltel.net ([166.102.165.144] helo=mta02-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19yqlG-000P6S-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:39:14 -0700 Received: from Computer ([151.213.88.254]) by mta02-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20030915104139.MDGZ8159.mta02-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 05:41:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3F659763.000009.03884@Computer> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 06:41:39 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Man, I miss not going to the gathering and mixing it up with a lot true friends and fellow builders!! X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Dana,=0D =0D We missed you also. We had a great time. I think that I actually had mo= re fun and learned more on this trip even if it was short on KRs. Ron Lee c= ame in with his RV, so we just called it a KR6A. We will all look forward to getting together in Mt. Vernon next year, if not sooner.=0D =0D I am sure that there will have to be another journey to MLs place after h= e flies in the spring. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Mon Sep 15 03:49:45 2003 Received: from mta02.alltel.net ([166.102.165.144] helo=mta02-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19yqvR-000PD8-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:49:45 -0700 Received: from Computer ([151.213.88.254]) by mta02-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20030915105211.MENM8159.mta02-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 05:52:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3F6599DA.00000B.03884@Computer> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 06:52:10 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: <002101c3788d$b303d300$4b251041@r6t1n9> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>i like to use ipilot for looking up the weather X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Terry,=0D =0D What is ipilot? =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From bo124rs@hotmail.com Mon Sep 15 03:56:38 2003 Received: from law10-f25.law10.hotmail.com ([64.4.15.25] helo=hotmail.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19yr26-000PGt-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:56:38 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 03:59:04 -0700 Received: from 64.12.96.200 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:59:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.12.96.200] X-Originating-Email: [bo124rs@hotmail.com] From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Bcc: Subject: Re: KR>Man, I miss not going to the gathering and mixing it up with a lot truefriends and fellow builders!! Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 06:59:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2003 10:59:04.0631 (UTC) FILETIME=[60C4D470:01C37B78] X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: You guys are killing me with all these gathering posts:-) I talked with Larry some time previously concerning his desire to host the gathering for 2004. You who attended could not have picked anyone more dedicated to the KR, you did well. Unless Larry really pushes the date way back, I hope to have my KR-7 finished but he told me not only couldn't I park it in the grass (away from the real KRs) he may just ban it from IL altogether:-( Seriously, good vote gang. I'll see everyone there.............now where are the pics!! Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 05:14:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>My Thoughts on Red Oak Message-ID: <20030915121444.78171.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3F6599DA.00000B.03884@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 16 Netters, Wow, what an experience! Red Oak was the first time that My Wife and I made a KR Gathering! We left Wright City, MO. at about 4:00 am and arrived in Red Oak about 10:30. The weather was overcast and intermittant rain showers most of the way there, but the wather gods smiled and there was a visable "hole" in the weather hovering right over Red Oak! You could see it for over a hundred miles! The 1st Flight seminar was in full swing when we arrived, so Michelle and I stood in the back and watched and listened. There were about 4 KR's there when we arrived, so we started checking out the planes. Steve Alderman's little Hot Rod flew like a fighter, visably faster than everything out there, Man, I really wished that I could have gotten a ride in that one, Oh well, maybe next year! Jim Faughn's beautiful little KR was there of course, and Jim was continually giving rides, including a ride to a terminally ill patient. She was all smiles after the ride. Thanks Jim, that was wonderful. It was really great to finally meet ML, Dan & Jerry, Bill Moreland and others. You can finally put a face to the name! My wife noted that Jerry's a flirt! All in all, the gathering was a great experience for everyone that made it. Thanks a million to the Bennett's and the organizers for all of their efforts. See you all in Mt. Vernon! ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Linden, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:33:20 -0600 (Mountain Standard Time) From: "gleone" To: Subject: Re: KR>Glue joints Message-ID: <3F65CDB0.000020.02988@DDMWDD11> References: <000201c37b20$9c90a180$a6421a45@peter> Content-Type: Text/Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 17 Using a Dremell with a small rotary file works very well in removing the excess epoxy without damaging the joint. Just remember to wear a mask. =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Sunday, September 14, 2003 16:36:44=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: Re: KR>Glue joints=0D =0D Hi Gavin.=0D =0D Definetly clean up excess glue before it sets up. If you wait till it cur= es=0D and then chip if off, it's not only a lot of hard work, messy when you're= =0D finished, and you run the risk of shattering the joint!=0D =0D As for your spar, laminate it up in 1/4" sections or so. 1" thick laminat= es=0D would be too thick and you would have spring back after you pulled the=0D finished layup off the form.=0D =0D =0D mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca=0D =0D =0D > Hi all,=0D > I've started to lay the timber out ready for gluing the fuselage > sides,= =0D and was wondering, what's the best way to clean up excess glue from the=0D joints?? Am I better to wipe it off while still wet? or am I better to le= t=0D it dry and chip it off? Which is less messy and most successful?=0D >=0D > Gavin=0D >=0D >=0D > ---=0D > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.=0D > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).=0D > Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11/09/2003=0D >_______________________________________________=0D > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =2E ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:49:32 -0400 From: "Dana Overall" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Canopy samples Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 18 I have been asked to post some pictures showing various canopies and their light pentatration factors. This pic shows a 76%, a 59% and a 49% samples. I'm using the 49%. http://rvflying.tripod.com/p9150001.jpg This link shows a smoke 45% canopy. The owner of this canopy has no adverse feelings about flying under this one at night. The link on this site is Todd's Canopies. http://kgarden.com/todd/rocket.htm This link is more on the extreme side and is a 29% canopy. No way this one gets off the ground at night. http://www.lazy8.net/rv8.html Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY RV-7 slider/fuselage, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit ordered!! Buying Instruments. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:50:27 -0400 From: "bill kirkland" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Re Fly in Message-ID: <001f01c37bb1$daa6d3e0$02488a3f@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> References: <65.18ee0ffd.2c953636@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 19 Orma; Thanks. Earlier does seem to be better. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND wkirkland@rogers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 11:10 PM Subject: Re: KR>Re Fly in > In a message dated 9/13/2003 1:55:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > wkirkland@rogers.com writes: > > > 3 or 4 more days > > I remember the rain in Kentucky that kept us hanging around of a few > extra days. This is why I mentioned that I hope the attendees will > vote to hold the > fly in earlier in the season. Congrats on the supreme effort Orma AKA > AviationMech KR2 N110LR > 1984 to Present > www.members.aol.com/aviationmech > also see me at > www.aviation-mechanics.com > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:23:39 -0400 From: "bill kirkland" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>(no subject) Message-ID: <006b01c37bb6$7d9b4d20$02488a3f@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> References: <20030915015324.48282.qmail@web40904.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 20 Tim; I'm having thee same problem. So far just plan to do away with the wooden end ribs at the outer end once I have the main part of the wing completed. It certainly isn't structural. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND wkirkland@rogers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" To: "KR Net" Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 9:53 PM Subject: KR>(no subject) > I am fairly certain that I am not the only one > building a 2S to install the 33 rib on the spars > before reading further (or remembering) to > install the foam extensions. The foam extensions > call for 2 layers of BID on both sides extended > 2" onto the wood spars. (plan sheet W2) > > I have removed the LE and TE of #33 so I can > follow the plans. Because the outer wing foam is > already in place between the spars and 5/8" > square spruce gussets are T-88d in place, I > really don't want to mess that up. Any thoughts > about glassing the foam per plans but then put a > fillet of thick micro or flox at the junction of > the foam to rib and carry the glass onto the rib? > > One other question/thought. The 29 1/8 rib seems > to be irrelevant. The plans show to radius the > LE of the wing tip(which you could not do as > shown on the plans with the rib installed as > shown) and also to round the tip outer edges > (again which you could not do with the ply rib > there). Are you all not using this rib or just > using a portion of it? Are you putting an > additional 3 or 4 inches of foam beyond the rib > and putting the radius and rounding here? > > Tim > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 159, Issue 1 *************************************