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Today's Topics:
1. Flight of 3
2. Re: KR crashes (Dan Heath)
3. Re: KR crashes
4. Re: KR crashes (Scott Cable)
5. Video Bob's Builder Forums (larry severson)
6. VW tuned exhaust (larry severson)
7. Aileron Weight (Jim Faughn)
8. Fuel Pressure Regulator (Mark Jones)
9. Re: Fuel Pressure Regulator (larry severson)
10. Re: Fuel Pressure Regulator (Barry Kruyssen)
11. Re: Fuel Pressure Regulator
12. Re: VW tuned exhaust
13. Re: Fuel Pressure Regulator (Mark Jones)
14. Re: Fuel Pressure Regulator (Mark Jones)
15. altimeter stopped working (Darren Pond)
16. Thanks to Mark (robert glidden)
17. Re: Aileron Weight (Brian Kraut)
18. Re: KR crashes (Brian Kraut)
19. Re: KR crashes (Dana Overall)
20. Message for Brian Krout (William Clapp)
21. Re: VW tuned exhaust (gwvandor)
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:12:23 EDT
From: AviationMech@aol.com
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Subject: KR>Flight of 3
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That photo http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/030913121m.jpg is the best KR
shot I have seen in 20 years of being around the little beauties. My hats off
the camera crew and the formation flyers.
Orma
N13116 1984 to 2003
19 years in a KR.
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:21:33 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time)
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Dana,=0D
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What I got was that weather got them and they landed on a road. One was = OK, the other had a lot of damage such that it had to be loaded in the U-Haul= =2E=20 Then the un-damaged plane took off and caught a wire. That one was total= ly destroyed. You are correct that both of them came on to the gathering an= d took their planes home in the U-Haul on Sunday morning.=0D =0D The part about catching the wire hearsay about what caused the second accident, but, I do understand that neither had anything to do with the condition of the aircraft. In fact I got all of this second or third han= d, except that I did see them leaving on Sunday morning and they were at the banquet, so I know that they are OK.=0D =0D Weather is a scary thing. I barely escaped from a terrible fate on my wa= y back from the Columbia gathering. We need to get this event during a tim= e when the likelihood of good weather is much greater. =0D =0D =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Red Oak - 2003=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Mon Sep 15 12:20:00 2003
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A new picture for the KR Net home page. =0D
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From: Scott Cable
Subject: Re: KR>Flight of 3
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Here, Hear! I'll second that one!
--- Dan Heath wrote:
> Mark L,
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> A new picture for the KR Net home page.
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> N64KR
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> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
>
> DanRH@KR-Builder.org
>
> See you in Red Oak - 2003
>
> See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the
> pic
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:30:33 EDT
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In a message dated 9/15/2003 3:22:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
DanRH@AllTel.net writes:
> loaded in the U-Haul.
Can someone tell the whole story
Orma
N13116 1984 to 2003
19 years in a KR.
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:35:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott Cable
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Subject: Re: KR>KR crashes
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Dana,
Mark Strothers stood up in front on Saturday, Scrapes
and contusions on both legs, light-heartedly thanked
God for being alive and told of his first flight
adventures.
Apparently weather was the main factor and I had
heard second or third hand that neither pilot had GPS?
Hope you had a nice time at the game, heard it was a
nail biter, however we sure missed you at the
Gathering. Besides, I still owe you that Cold One.
>
> >From those who attended, was it mechanical or
> something else?
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:13:00 -0700
From: larry severson
To: KR builders and pilots
Subject: KR>Video Bob's Builder Forums
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>The DVD that I bought does not have the video on Fiberglass Layups. I
>sure
>would like to download a copy of the video. I have broadband, so time is
>not a factor.
Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
larry2@socal.rr.com
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:03:51 -0700
From: larry severson
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Subject: KR>VW tuned exhaust
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I received a tuned exhaust for a 2180 VW engine when I got my partially
built KR2. It does not fit the rear drive unit that I purchased.
Good news: anyone can have it free - in 2 weeks, it goes in the trash. Bad news: I tried to make it fit. Some slight re-weld will have to be done
on one of the 4 pipes.
Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
larry2@socal.rr.com
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:27:31 -0500
From: "Jim Faughn"
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Subject: KR>Aileron Weight
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Hi all. I had a great trip to the Gathering this year. You read that I was stuck in Trenton, MO when I made a no-go decision after looking at the weather heading up to Red Oak. I have been portrayed as a conservative pilot and that is a title I like. I enjoyed my time in lovely Trenton and the airport manager was great. I stayed overnight and then back to the airport the next morning to watch the clouds go by. About 2:30 in the afternoon, I had seen the cloud layer stay the same height for quite awhile so I thought it was time to see if I really had a 700 ft ceiling. I did and got out of Trenton and headed to Red Oak. I can't say it stayed that high the entire trip and if I was doing it over, I would have stayed in Trenton. However, I made it under the scud and on to a great Gathering. After arriving and the usual Hi's and initial questions, I unloaded the plane and went flying with Steve Alderman. We went for a few passes in formation and Steve told me he saw something fall off my plane. Since I didn't feel anything I thought it was probably one of the gap seals or part of one. They are made of a very light Mylar and have broken and come off in the past. I made another 200 mph missed approach and then came back around and made a 60 mph pass. I then landed and was looking for the missing gap seal. None were. What happened was I was missing an aileron counterweight. The weight didn't fall off, actually the aluminum L bracket broke at the manufactured corner and the weight with the arm fell off. This was something that you can't inspect because it is buried under the fiberglass. At 6:30 I tapped Mike Garbez and we went to his shop, made a new bracket out of 4130, made new weights, drilled the holes and brought it back to the hanger. I assembled most of it Friday evening and quit at 10:30. Finished it up in about an hour Saturday morning and declared it fit for flight after inspecting everything another 3 times.
Everything worked well so I gave rides to the people that were anticipating their first flight within the next few months. I was very pleased to do this and that is what I enjoy doing. Sorry about not jumping to give rides to those who are thinking about a KR or who are thinking about whether or not to finish one, that just isn't my thing. I have a passion for keeping people alive who are about to fly but I'm just not the factory giving rides for motivation or a new sale. The "new wave" will have to step in for giving rides next year.
Anyway, the purpose of the message is to acknowledge that I no longer have a "plans built" KR. I have changed something so Mark, I guess I've come around. PLEASE think very seriously about changing your aluminum balance arms to steel. PLEASE.
Take care.
Jim
Jim Faughn
4323D Laclede Ave.
St. Louis, MO 63108
(314)652-7659
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:27:42 -0500
From: "Mark Jones"
To: "KR Net"
Subject: KR>Fuel Pressure Regulator
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I changed the subject to reflect the new question asked. Sorry I duplicated my answer but the original poster did not change the subject reference.
That all depends on which carb you are using. I am using a regulator on mine. Since I am using wing tanks and the Corvair mechanical fuel pump puts out 6 PSI, I must regulate the pressure down to 1 PSI or less for the Aerocarb.
Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI USA
E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Sauer"
> To: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft"
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:00 PM
> Subject: Re: CorvAircraft>pulley flexplate adapters- anodizing
>
>
> > Is anyone using the FUEL PRESSURE REGULATOR on their engines or is
> > it
not
> > necessary?
> >
> > From: resauer@cox.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Patrick Panzera"
> > To: "'Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft'"
> >
> > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 1:38 PM
> > Subject: RE: CorvAircraft>pulley flexplate adapters- anodizing
> >
> >
> > > > >since you bolt through the puck (as opposed to bolting TO the
> > > > >puck) wouldn't any and all forces on puck be in compression,
> > > > >completely negating any concern what so ever?
> > > >
> > > > It would appear that way. The alternating stress that might be
> > > > a
> > > fatigue
> > > > concern that I can think of would be the belt tension on the
> > > > pulley,
> > >
> > > RATS!!! That brings the TBO down to under 673 million hours (give
> > > or take a decimal place or two)! What a piece of junk!!!
> > >
> > > Dave, hurry up and get that bear can study is concluded... make
> > > sure you use 40oz cans for our friends down under. We can't stand
> > > here
like
> > > a shag on a rock all day, come on, rattle your dags!
> > >
> > > I'm off like a pork chop in the sun!
> > >
> > > Pat
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________________________
> > > _
> > > See CorvAircraft list details at
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> >
> >
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:40:24 -0700
From: larry severson
To: KR builders and pilots
Subject: Re: KR>Fuel Pressure Regulator
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>Since I am using wing tanks and the Corvair mechanical fuel pump puts
> out 6 PSI, I must regulate the pressure down to 1 PSI or less for the
> Aerocarb.
Where did you get the regulator?
Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
larry2@socal.rr.com
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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 09:43:39 +1000
From: Barry Kruyssen
To: KR builders and pilots
Subject: Re: KR>Fuel Pressure Regulator
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And what brand is the regulator?
Thanks
Barry Kruyssen
kr2@bigpond.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "larry severson"
To: "KR builders and pilots"
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: KR>Fuel Pressure Regulator
>
> >Since I am using wing tanks and the Corvair mechanical fuel pump puts
> > out 6 PSI, I must regulate the pressure down to 1 PSI or less for
> >the
> > Aerocarb.
>
> Where did you get the regulator?
>
> Larry Severson
> Fountain Valley, CA 92708
> (714) 968-9852
> larry2@socal.rr.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:47:26 EDT
From: AviationMech@aol.com
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Subject: Re: KR>Fuel Pressure Regulator
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In a message dated 9/15/2003 7:28:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
flykr2s@wi.rr.com writes:
> using a regulator
I'd like to add a cent or two about fuel pressure regulators. I recently
removed a regulator from my type 4 2000. The regulator is a flow through type
that has a dial on the top that turns with detents and numbers 1 to 5 plus. I
found that my engine was running lean at full power and I could not determine
the cause. I finally removed the regulator and gave it a comparison to an
unrestricted tube and decided that there was enough resistance to the flow of gas
that I wanted to try the engine without the regulator. The engine worked well
without the regulator and showed no tendency to run rich or lean. This is
just a thought as you might be talking about an altogether different type of
regulator.
Orma AKA AviationMech
KR2 N110LR
1984 to Present
www.members.aol.com/aviationmech
also see me at
www.aviation-mechanics.com
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:01:27 -0400
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To: KR builders and pilots
Subject: Re: KR>VW tuned exhaust
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> how much do you need to ship it to nw florida?
> From: larry severson
> Date: 2003/09/15 Mon PM 05:03:51 EDT
> To: KR builders and pilots
> Subject: KR>VW tuned exhaust
>
> I received a tuned exhaust for a 2180 VW engine when I got my
> partially
> built KR2. It does not fit the rear drive unit that I purchased.
>
> Good news: anyone can have it free - in 2 weeks, it goes in the trash.
> Bad news: I tried to make it fit. Some slight re-weld will have to be
> done on one of the 4 pipes.
>
> Larry Severson
> Fountain Valley, CA 92708
> (714) 968-9852
> larry2@socal.rr.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:05:18 -0500
From: "Mark Jones"
To: "KR builders and pilots"
Subject: Re: KR>Fuel Pressure Regulator
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The regulator is privately labeled for Purolator, NAPA, Spectre and others. They are all the same. Mine happens to be a Spectre part #2517 bout at a local auto parts house (Auto Zone). It can be easily set from 1/2 PSI to 6 PSI in 1/2 PSI increments. The finish is chrome and it is about 2" diameter x 1.5" height. Accepts up to a 3/8" line. Now, avoid the Purolator and NAPA brand made during Nov 2001 through August 2002 as there was a recall due to the diaphragm not being fuel compatible. Here is the recall alert link: http://www.safetyalerts.com/recall/a/02/v00400.htm
Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI USA
E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "larry severson"
To: "KR builders and pilots"
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Fuel Pressure Regulator
>
> >Since I am using wing tanks and the Corvair mechanical fuel pump puts
> > out 6 PSI, I must regulate the pressure down to 1 PSI or less for
> >the
> > Aerocarb.
>
> Where did you get the regulator?
>
> Larry Severson
> Fountain Valley, CA 92708
> (714) 968-9852
> larry2@socal.rr.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:07:14 -0500
From: "Mark Jones"
To: "KR builders and pilots"
Subject: Re: KR>Fuel Pressure Regulator
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Sounds like the same regulator to me. I would be willing to bet you had one which was involved in the recall.
Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI USA
E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: KR>Fuel Pressure Regulator
> In a message dated 9/15/2003 7:28:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> flykr2s@wi.rr.com writes:
>
> > using a regulator
>
> I'd like to add a cent or two about fuel pressure regulators. I
> recently removed a regulator from my type 4 2000. The regulator is a
> flow through
type
> that has a dial on the top that turns with detents and numbers 1 to 5
plus. I
> found that my engine was running lean at full power and I could not
determine
> the cause. I finally removed the regulator and gave it a comparison
> to an unrestricted tube and decided that there was enough resistance
> to the flow
of gas
> that I wanted to try the engine without the regulator. The engine
> worked
well
> without the regulator and showed no tendency to run rich or lean.
> This is just a thought as you might be talking about an altogether
> different type
of
> regulator.
> Orma AKA AviationMech
> KR2 N110LR
> 1984 to Present
> www.members.aol.com/aviationmech
> also see me at
> www.aviation-mechanics.com
> _______________________________________________
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:25:46 -0400
From: "Darren Pond"
To: "KR builders and pilots"
Subject: KR>altimeter stopped working
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Hi All
My Altimeter has stopped working after 2 years of seating in the instrument panel waiting for the first flight. Well the first attempted flight got canned due to lack of altimeter setting ability. This is one of the aircraft spruce $110 model. Good to 10k. It has worked ok and seem to be settable buy pressure mercury inches but now reads out by 200ft and inches of mercury. I lightly applied both vacuum and pressure to the static port and the needle flickers.
Any suggestions? I some how doubt there is a warranty after this amount of time.
Darren Pond
CF-VML Taylor mono plane
C-GGGW KR2
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:02:31 -0500
From: "robert glidden"
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Subject: KR>Thanks to Mark
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Hey gang
Just wanted to take a minute and thank Mark Jones for the hour of his = time last night and for saving me from making a hugh possibly fatal = mistake on my horizontals.I just want to let all the new builders know = that that's what the old guys (figure of speech only) are here for,they = are probly the best thing about building this plane.We get to learn from = the things that did not work and make our adjustments without doing it = three or four times.I've talk to guys who told me that Mark L. has made = enough parts over to build two or three planes.This may be true,but for = new guys like myself,I'm glad he did not give up.Keep up the good = work.Mark J,thanks again for your time and the great ideas I took away = from our conversation.
Bob Glidden
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Glad you made it there and back , Jim. I was following your progress on your web page and wishing I was there.
My aileron counterbalance brackets are also Aluminun ( as I'm sure most KR's
are) . I made my own brackets from 1/8 " 6061 Al using a large ( 1/2" ) radius to avoid cracking . But after hearing your story , will be checking them regularly for any evidence of cracking.
Thanks for the tip.
Chris Gardiner
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From: "Jim Faughn"
To: "KR Net Response"
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 6:27 PM
Subject: KR>Aileron Weight
> Hi all. I had a great trip to the Gathering this year. You read that I
> was stuck in Trenton, MO when I made a no-go decision after looking at
> the weather heading up to Red Oak. I have been portrayed as a
> conservative pilot and that is a title I like. I enjoyed my time in
> lovely Trenton and the airport manager was great. I stayed overnight
> and then back to the airport the next morning to watch the clouds go
> by. About 2:30 in the afternoon, I had seen the cloud layer stay the
> same height for quite awhile so I thought it was time to see if I
> really had a 700 ft ceiling. I did and got out of Trenton and headed
> to Red Oak. I can't say it stayed that high the entire trip and if I
> was doing it over, I would have stayed in Trenton. However, I made it
> under the scud and on to a great Gathering. After arriving and the
> usual Hi's and initial questions, I unloaded the plane and went flying
> with Steve Alderman. We went for a few passes in formation and Steve
> told me he saw something fall off my plane. Since I didn't feel
> anything I thought it was probably one of the gap seals or part of
> one. They are made of a very light Mylar and have broken and come off
> in the past. I made another 200 mph missed approach and then came back
> around and made a 60 mph pass. I then landed and was looking for the
> missing gap seal. None were. What happened was I was missing an
> aileron counterweight. The weight didn't fall off, actually the
> aluminum L bracket broke at the manufactured corner and the weight
> with the arm fell off. This was something that you can't inspect
> because it is buried under the fiberglass. At 6:30 I tapped Mike
> Garbez and we went to his shop, made a new bracket out of 4130, made
> new weights, drilled the holes and brought it back to the hanger. I
> assembled most of it Friday evening and quit at 10:30. Finished it up
> in about an hour Saturday morning and declared it fit for flight after
> inspecting everything another 3 times.
>
> Everything worked well so I gave rides to the people that were
> anticipating their first flight within the next few months. I was very
> pleased to do this and that is what I enjoy doing. Sorry about not
> jumping to give rides to those who are thinking about a KR or who are
> thinking about whether or not to finish one, that just isn't my thing.
> I have a passion for keeping people alive who are about to fly but I'm
> just not the factory giving rides for motivation or a new sale. The
> "new wave" will have to step in for giving rides next year.
>
> Anyway, the purpose of the message is to acknowledge that I no longer
> have a "plans built" KR. I have changed something so Mark, I guess
> I've come around. PLEASE think very seriously about changing your
> aluminum balance arms to steel. PLEASE.
>
> Take care.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Faughn
> 4323D Laclede Ave.
> St. Louis, MO 63108
> (314)652-7659
> Email - sub @ for "at" jfaughn "at" socket.net
> Web Site http://jfaughn.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:14:09 -0400
From: Brian Kraut
To: KR builders and pilots , jfaughn@mvp.net
Subject: Re: KR>Aileron Weight
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Jim, thanks again for the ride. I should have my rudder pedals fixed
tomorrow and I will probably make my first flight this weekend, or at
least a lot of tail up taxiing.
I know three KR pilots that have had their first rides from you and I am
sure that there are plenty more. Your dedication to helping other KR
pilots fly safely is a great asset to the KR community. I hope to be
giving rides in my KR at next years gathering.
Jim Faughn wrote:
>Hi all. I had a great trip to the Gathering this year. You read that I
>was stuck in Trenton, MO when I made a no-go decision after looking at
>the weather heading up to Red Oak. I have been portrayed as a
>conservative pilot and that is a title I like. I enjoyed my time in
>lovely Trenton and the airport manager was great. I stayed overnight
>and then back to the airport the next morning to watch the clouds go
>by. About 2:30 in the afternoon, I had seen the cloud layer stay the
>same height for quite awhile so I thought it was time to see if I
>really had a 700 ft ceiling. I did and got out of Trenton and headed to
>Red Oak. I can't say it stayed that high the entire trip and if I was
>doing it over, I would have stayed in Trenton. However, I made it under
>the scud and on to a great Gathering. After arriving and the usual Hi's
>and initial questions, I unloaded the plane and went flying with Steve
>Alderman. We went for a few passes in formation and Steve told me he
>saw something fall off my plane. Since I didn't feel anything I thought
>it was probably one of the gap seals or part of one. They are made of a
>very light Mylar and have broken and come off in the past. I made
>another 200 mph missed approach and then came back around and made a 60
>mph pass. I then landed and was looking for the missing gap seal. None
>were. What happened was I was missing an aileron counterweight. The
>weight didn't fall off, actually the aluminum L bracket broke at the
>manufactured corner and the weight with the arm fell off. This was
>something that you can't inspect because it is buried under the
>fiberglass. At 6:30 I tapped Mike Garbez and we went to his shop, made
>a new bracket out of 4130, made new weights, drilled the holes and
>brought it back to the hanger. I assembled most of it Friday evening
>and quit at 10:30. Finished it up in about an hour Saturday morning and
>declared it fit for flight after inspecting everything another 3 times.
>
>Everything worked well so I gave rides to the people that were
>anticipating their first flight within the next few months. I was very
>pleased to do this and that is what I enjoy doing. Sorry about not
>jumping to give rides to those who are thinking about a KR or who are
>thinking about whether or not to finish one, that just isn't my thing.
>I have a passion for keeping people alive who are about to fly but I'm
>just not the factory giving rides for motivation or a new sale. The
>"new wave" will have to step in for giving rides next year.
>
>Anyway, the purpose of the message is to acknowledge that I no longer
>have a "plans built" KR. I have changed something so Mark, I guess I've
>come around. PLEASE think very seriously about changing your aluminum
>balance arms to steel. PLEASE.
>
>Take care.
>
>Jim
>
>Jim Faughn
>4323D Laclede Ave.
>St. Louis, MO 63108
>(314)652-7659
>Email - sub @ for "at" jfaughn "at" socket.net
>Web Site http://jfaughn.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:29:41 -0400
From: Brian Kraut
To: KR builders and pilots
Subject: Re: KR>KR crashes
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Both pilots are good friends of mine and have given me a lot of advice
on my KR and one gave me first KR ride. I am very happy that they are
both in good shape. I will be adding another flying KR in Jacksonville
this week and I am looking forward to the day that the three of us can
fly to another gathering together.
Dan Heath wrote:
>Dana,
>
>
>
>What I got was that weather got them and they landed on a road. One
>was OK, the other had a lot of damage such that it had to be loaded in
>the U-Haul. Then the un-damaged plane took off and caught a wire. That
>one was totally destroyed. You are correct that both of them came on
>to the gathering and took their planes home in the U-Haul on Sunday
>morning.
>
>
>
>The part about catching the wire hearsay about what caused the second
>accident, but, I do understand that neither had anything to do with the
>condition of the aircraft. In fact I got all of this second or third
>hand, except that I did see them leaving on Sunday morning and they
>were at the banquet, so I know that they are OK.
>
>
>
>Weather is a scary thing. I barely escaped from a terrible fate on my
>way back from the Columbia gathering. We need to get this event during
>a time when the likelihood of good weather is much greater.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>N64KR
>
>
>
>Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
>
>
>
>DanRH@KR-Builder.org
>
>
>
>See you in Red Oak - 2003
>
>
>
>See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic
>
>See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org
>
> _______________________________________________
>see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:00:18 -0400
From: "Dana Overall"
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Subject: Re: KR>KR crashes
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>From: "Dan Heath"
>Dana,
>
>What I got was that weather got them and they landed on a road. One
>was
>OK,
>the other had a lot of damage such that it had to be loaded in the U-Haul.
>Then the un-damaged plane took off and caught a wire. That one was totally
>destroyed. You are correct that both of them came on to the gathering and
>took their planes home in the U-Haul on Sunday morning.
>
Man, that's got to make for a bad day. I know when I sold my KR, the new
owner brought a U-Haul. We had to take the engine off and really do some
fancy footwork to get it in the truck. To be able to get two KR's in a
U-Haul should tell just how much they were destroyed.
Has anyone seen anything on NTSB, seems like these two would have to be
reported?
I'm sure there will be some Monday morning second guessing but if the thread
gets started I would encourage those respondants to offer advice on
avoiding/responding to unexpected weather conditions and not finger pointing
on "what those two did wrong".
Dana Overall
1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host
Richmond, KY
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:14:08 -0400
From: "William Clapp"
To: "KR builders and pilots"
Subject: KR>Message for Brian Krout
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Hi Brian - I was wondering where you were located at. I am trying to = get an idea where all the local Fl/GA Kr owners are. It would be fun to = see how many are down here. I have located a few already and one will = possibly visit me this weekend. If interested contact off the Krnet - = Thanks - Bill
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:34:34 -0500
From: "gwvandor"
To: "KR builders and pilots"
Subject: Re: KR>VW tuned exhaust
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----- Original Message -----
From:
To: "KR builders and pilots"
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: KR>VW tuned exhaust
>
> > how much do you need to ship it to nw florida?
> > From: larry severson
> > Date: 2003/09/15 Mon PM 05:03:51 EDT
> > To: KR builders and pilots
> > Subject: KR>VW tuned exhaust
> >
> > I received a tuned exhaust for a 2180 VW engine when I got my
> > partially built KR2. It does not fit the rear drive unit that I
> > purchased.
> >
> > Good news: anyone can have it free - in 2 weeks, it goes in the
> > trash. Bad news: I tried to make it fit. Some slight re-weld will
> > have to be
done
> > on one of the 4 pipes.
> >
> > Larry Severson
> > Fountain Valley, CA 92708
> > (714) 968-9852
> > larry2@socal.rr.com
> >
> > Hi, I would like to have your exsaust system, I would like to fit it
> > to
my 1700 CC V-W. How can you send it to me. much appreciate your offer. George Vandor in Canada building a KR1. Thank you.
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
>
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