From: krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 167, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Replacing retractable gear (larry severson) 2. Re: HVLP painting tips (Brian Kraut) 3. KR-2S Weight and Balance 4. Re: Newbee to KR2 (Bob Stone) 5. Re: Newbee to KR2 (Barry Kruyssen) 6. Sorry, I forgot you cannot send attachments (Dan Heath) 7. Re: Sorry, I forgot you cannot send attachments (larry severson) 8. Night flying (was change of operating limitations) (Brian Kraut) 9. Re: Dihedral Question (robert glidden) 10. Re: KR-2S Weight and Balance (cgardn628) 11. Re: Dihedral Question (Mark Langford) 12. KR Gathering 2004- Mt.Venon , IL (cgardn628) 13. Re: KR Gathering 2004- Mt.Venon , IL (larry severson) 14. KR-360 (Brian Kraut) 15. Re: Dihedral Question (Barry Kruyssen) 16. Re: KR-2S Weight and Balance (Barry Kruyssen) 17. Re: KR-2S Weight and Balance (Dan Heath) 18. Re: NewSubscriber (Scott Cable) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:28:33 -0700 From: larry severson To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>Replacing retractable gear Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030922131833.012518a0@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <1d1.11296611.2c9f94c8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 The person who had this plane before me removed the retractable gear. I put in Diehl gear - a bit of a problem, but surprisingly it requires no shims. However, I am now having a bit of a problem filling the holes. What I see on the web looks so clean and easy, My experience so far has been neither clean nor easy. Help!!!!!! Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:56:22 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>HVLP painting tips Message-ID: <31970155.1064267782949.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 2 I thought the series that they have been running in Sport Aviation for the past six months or so was pretty good also. I have the same gun and it works great. The most important thing I learned painting is to use a LOT of light when painting white or other light colors. I don't think you can have to much light. 8-12 4' flourescents is a good start. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford Sent: Sep 21, 2003 8:37 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>HVLP painting tips NetHeads, I'm seriously considering starting the paint process soon. Since my plane is made up of a bunch of separate pieces, rather than one whole, I could theoretically paint it a little at a time. Of course all at once would be better, but I'm toying with painting the whole top one day, the bottom the next, and clearcoat the next, since the top will be one color and the bottom another. Wings can definitely come much later. Anyway, the reason for this post is that I bought the 43430 HVLP paint gun from Harbor Freight on sale for something like $50, so I'm looking for tips on HVLP use, and a refresher on painting, since it's been 15 years since I painted a car. Anyway, I stumbled across this site at http://www.thebugshop.org/bsfqpnt.htm and feel it's an excellent refresher course. And more importantly, he used this exact paint gun. Check it out and save it if you're going to paint your plane yourself. It's pretty good source of real information. Yes, I have several books on the subject too, but this is good stuff, and covers just about every aspect of painting... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:18:41 EDT From: Ronevogt@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>KR-2S Weight and Balance Message-ID: <93.334a4844.2ca0cf41@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Netters; I have my 2S balanced according to the wt and balance form provided in the plans. As it currently exists, it seems nose heavy even though the CG is only 2" in front of the rear limit. It seems to me that I've heard some discussion about the wt and balance in the builders manual being incorrect. As I am about ready for the first flight, I would appreciate some input on this issue. RV ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:37:20 -0500 From: "Bob Stone" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Newbee to KR2 Message-ID: <000501c38162$779d9520$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> References: <006f01c380d9$24b47290$0300a8c0@t1w419> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Barry, Take it from one who knows, the original retractable landing gear I see on your newly acquired aircraft is very prone to folding on landing so change it before you fly. There are many fixed taildragger or nose gear configurations available. There are even retractable systems out there but the one you have installed now is just not very good. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Kruyssen" To: "KR Net List" Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 2:14 AM Subject: KR>Newbee to KR2 > Hi All, > > I've been on you list for a few weeks BUT now its official, I've > bought a KR2. > > I have just arrived home, after taking delivery, and hurriedly put up > this WEB page of my new baby (KR2). > http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/kr2.htm with some vital statistics and > a couple of photos. > As I get more photos and better at WEB page design I'll post more > updates. > > I haven't flown the aircraft as yet, so I trailed it home 1800 Km. > > Home is Yungaburra on the Atherton Tablelands 50 Km from Cairns, Queensland, Australia. > > Here I'll get it inspected, put the wings back on and get in the air (propably take some time given I have to work as well) > > Regards > Barry Kruyssen > kr2@BigPond.com > > AUF Registered 19-3873 > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:45:28 +1000 From: Barry Kruyssen To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Newbee to KR2 Message-ID: <004901c38163$9beafd40$0300a8c0@t1w419> References: <006f01c380d9$24b47290$0300a8c0@t1w419> <000501c38162$779d9520$ba21f218@hot.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 5 Thanks Bob, The previous owner has replaced the hinges and locking mechanisms with fixed brackets after he folded it do taxiing practice. regards Barry Kruyssen kr2@BigPond.com AUF Registered 19-3873 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Stone" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:37 AM Subject: Re: KR>Newbee to KR2 > Barry, > Take it from one who knows, the original retractable landing gear > I see > on your newly acquired aircraft is very prone to folding on landing so > change it before you fly. There are many fixed taildragger or nose > gear configurations available. There are even retractable systems out > there but > the one you have installed now is just not very good. > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX > rstone4@hot.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barry Kruyssen" > To: "KR Net List" > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 2:14 AM > Subject: KR>Newbee to KR2 > > > > Hi All, > > > > I've been on you list for a few weeks BUT now its official, I've > > bought a > KR2. > > > > I have just arrived home, after taking delivery, and hurriedly put > > up this > WEB page of my new baby (KR2). > > http://users.tpg.com.au/barryk/kr2.htm with some vital statistics > > and a > couple of photos. > > As I get more photos and better at WEB page design I'll post more updates. > > > > I haven't flown the aircraft as yet, so I trailed it home 1800 Km. > > > > Home is Yungaburra on the Atherton Tablelands 50 Km from Cairns, > Queensland, Australia. > > > > Here I'll get it inspected, put the wings back on and get in the air > (propably take some time given I have to work as well) > > > > Regards > > Barry Kruyssen > > kr2@BigPond.com > > > > AUF Registered 19-3873 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:01:38 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: "krnet@mylist.net" Subject: KR>Sorry, I forgot you cannot send attachments Message-ID: <3F6F9B72.00003A.00368@Computer> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6 Mark,=0D =0D I sent 4 messages with spread sheets for weight and balance, one with all= 3 and 3 with one each. I understand that you can approve them, however if = you don't want to do that, I can send them all to anyone who wants to include their e-mail address. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From engalt@earthlink.net Mon Sep 22 18:04:38 2003 Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.74]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1A1bba-000OaV-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:04:38 -0700 Received: from bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.217]) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1A1beG-0001SP-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:07:24 -0700 Message-ID: <6642785.1064279244624.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:07:23 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Subject: KR>First flight update X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Brian Kraut , KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Well, I thought I would be posting the results of my first flight this week= end, but it didn't happen. I notified the FAA monday of my major alteratio= n per the instructions in my operating limitations. I proposed day VFR wit= h a 25 mile radius of the airport for the required five hours of flight tes= ting, but they said that I need to propose a more specific area that is ove= r a sparsely populated area. I sent back an outlined area on a sectional a= long with some arial photos that I got off of Mapquest. I need to wait for= their response in writing before I can fly now. I am hoping that they acc= ept my area because there is really no way to get from my airport to a spar= sely populated area without flying over a heavily populated area, through J= acksonville International airspace, or through the Naval air station airspa= ce. Any one else came accross this? I did do a bunch of more taxiing and I finally got the tailwheel up. On th= e Citabria I was training on it was pretty easy to control on the ground un= til the tailwheel came up. That is where you had to really dance on the ru= dder pedals to keep it straight. The KR took quite a bit of dancing when t= he tailwheel was on on the ground in a medium speed taxi run so I expected = it to be a real handfull once the tailwheel cam up. To my surprise, it was= just the opposite. As soon as I got the tailwheel up it tracked pretty st= raight and was easy to control. The hatrdest time to keep things under con= trol is when I pull the throttle back and start to slow down and put the ta= il back down. I imagine that the loss of the engine torque is a big part o= f that. I think I need to learn to start to relax pressure on the left ped= dal while I pull back the power BEFORE the plane heads to the edge of the r= unway. I think that three point landings should be pretty tame because the= engine will already be at idle when I touch down. Any comments on my find= ings and what other people experience is welcome. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:11:15 -0700 From: larry severson To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Sorry, I forgot you cannot send attachments Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030922181019.012b8830@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <3F6F9B72.00003A.00368@Computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 Love to have the attachments sent to me, all 3 at once works. >I sent 4 messages with spread sheets for weight and balance, one with >all 3 and 3 with one each. I understand that you can approve them, >however if you don't want to do that, I can send them all to anyone who >wants to include their e-mail address. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:16:30 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Night flying (was change of operating limitations) Message-ID: <21275412.1064279790632.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 I promised a while back to post my findings on what it takes to change the operating limitations to allow night flying. I called the EAA first and they told me that what I have to do would be spelled out in my existing operating limitations. I hadn't thought to look there first because I knew it said day VFR and thought it would be left at that. The EAA guy said that there should be something there and what it said depends on the original inspector and how long ago they were done. He said it could say that I need to notify the FAA, just make a logbook entry, or something else. Sure enough my limitations said "Unless appropriately equipped for night and/or instrument flight in accordance with FAR section 91.205, this aircraft shall be operated day VFR only." So in my case the operating limitations don't need to be changed, I just need to appropriately equip the plane and make a logbook entry and I am good to go. The FSDO concured. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:57:45 -0500 From: "robert glidden" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Dihedral Question Message-ID: <003401c38176$15f04de0$0c00000a@glidden> References: <20030919140452.74342.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com><3.0.6.32.20030919183412.00840830@pop.midwest.net> <1d9a01c37f14$76ed4300$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 9 Mark L. I have a set of the gear brackets you made up and they are great.I forget how much exactly,but they do weigh less then the Diehl brackets...And they look great on the taller spar... Bob Glidden KR2S N181FW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 8:13 PM Subject: Re: KR>Dihedral Question > Larry wrote: > > > If you are considering starting the wing dihedral at the fuselage > > instead of the wing attach fittings as called for in the plans and > > are using the Diehl type gear, the wing dihedral angle will carry > > through to the camber of you main gear wheel. You will have to shim > > or modify the attach brackets to allow for this. > > Really, if you build the "bent up spar" thing using the AS5048 (the thicker > of the bunch) airfoil at the root, it would be advisable to make your > own gear leg to spar brackets, because the spars are taller than the > stock spars. See the drawing in the middle of > http://www.krnet.org/as504x/as5046inst.html for more details, but note that > TET no longer sells these brackets, so you'll have to whip up your own > out of .125" thick 4130 steel. Making them to the same dimensions > (but taller) > as the cast Diehl brackets should work fine, at least Troy made some > that he > ripped the aluminum gear legs off of and the brackets weren't bothered > by it. These are probably no heavier than the Diehl castings. Don't > ask me for dimensions though. Mine are kind of buried now. So when > you weld these > up, just change the angle a tad (seems like it's about 3 degrees) to > compensate, and you won't have a camber problem... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:04:04 -0400 From: "cgardn628" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>KR-2S Weight and Balance Message-ID: <004d01c38176$f71999c0$6401a8c0@mdgwd52jlrmc3l> References: <93.334a4844.2ca0cf41@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 RV, The CG position should be as close to the forward limit as possible , when empty . ( ie ideally 15-20% MAC or 8-10 inches aft of the leading at the stub wing). My KR2S empty weight CG came in at 18% . When loaded with fuel and passegers , it will move back as expected. I don't know how "stock" your KR2S is compared to mine but you are welcome to use my Excel spreadsheet to enter your exact plane variable ( moment arms and weights). The spreadsheet will calculate required % for you. I will E mail it direct to you ( and anyone who wants it). Fly safe , protect yourself ...and our privelege to fly amateur built aircraft . Regards Chris Gardiner C-GKRZ KR2S ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 6:18 PM Subject: KR>KR-2S Weight and Balance > Netters; > I have my 2S balanced according to the wt and balance form > provided in > the plans. As it currently exists, it seems nose heavy even though > the CG is > only 2" in front of the rear limit. It seems to me that I've heard > some discussion about the wt and balance in the builders manual being incorrect. As I > am about ready for the first flight, I would appreciate some input on > this issue. > > RV > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:34:48 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Dihedral Question Message-ID: <1f6b01c3817b$41f01740$1202a8c0@basement> References: <20030919140452.74342.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com><3.0.6.32.20030919183412.00840830@pop.midwest.net><1d9a01c37f14$76ed4300$1202a8c0@basement> <003401c38176$15f04de0$0c00000a@glidden> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 Bob Glidden wrote: > I have a set of the gear brackets you made up and they are great.I > forget how much exactly,but they do weigh less then the Diehl > brackets...And they look great on the taller spar... I really can't take credit for that one. That was Dr. Dean's "product". We probably got the idea from Troy Petteway's plane, which he had already "crash tested". Broke the aluminum leg, but left the 4130 mount in fine shape. Dean did an amazing amount of research on the subject, including a stress analysis of the 3M Scotchply vs aluminum. I believe he concluded that the 3M stuff had some superior damping qualities over aluminum, which may be why Dan chose it as the gear leg material for his gear setups. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:47:32 -0400 From: "cgardn628" To: "KR NET" Subject: KR>KR Gathering 2004- Mt.Venon , IL Message-ID: <001801c3817d$0939bda0$6401a8c0@mdgwd52jlrmc3l> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 12 Does anyone have the identifier for this airport? I am curious as to exactly where it is in IL.=20 Never too soon to start planning for the next trip. THX Chris Gardiner From flykr2s@wi.rr.com Mon Sep 22 20:09:55 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com ([24.94.166.129]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1A1dYk-000Py7-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:09:55 -0700 Received: from mark (CPE-65-31-89-55.wi.rr.com [65.31.89.55]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.7) with SMTP id h8N3CWrx007626 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:12:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009701c38180$9a865e00$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR builders and pilots" References: <001801c3817d$0939bda0$6401a8c0@mdgwd52jlrmc3l> Subject: Re: KR>KR Gathering 2004- Mt.Venon , IL Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:13:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: MVN Check out this link: http://www.airnav.com/airport/KMVN Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "cgardn628" To: "KR NET" Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:47 PM Subject: KR>KR Gathering 2004- Mt.Venon , IL Does anyone have the identifier for this airport? I am curious as to exactly where it is in IL. Never too soon to start planning for the next trip. THX Chris Gardiner _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:13:02 -0700 From: larry severson To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>KR Gathering 2004- Mt.Venon , IL Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20030922201219.012c15c0@pop-server.socal.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <001801c3817d$0939bda0$6401a8c0@mdgwd52jlrmc3l> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 13 About 100 mi due east of St. Louis, Mo. At 10:47 PM 9/22/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone have the identifier for this airport? > >I am curious as to exactly where it is in IL. >Never too soon to start planning for the next trip. > >THX > >Chris Gardiner _______________________________________________ >see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@socal.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:21:54 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>KR-360 Message-ID: <3654317.1064287315152.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 14 Can anyone tell me how to get in touch with Ed Schuler, preferebly an email address. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:23:55 +1000 From: Barry Kruyssen To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Dihedral Question Message-ID: <00c701c38182$20a19da0$0300a8c0@t1w419> References: <20030919140452.74342.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.6.32.20030919183412.00840830@pop.midwest.net> <1d9a01c37f14$76ed4300$1202a8c0@basement> <003401c38176$15f04de0$0c00000a@glidden> <1f6b01c3817b$41f01740$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 15 Mark, Is ther any doco and/or photos of Dan's gear legs. Barry Kruyssen kr2@BigPond.com AUF Registered 19-3873 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 12:34 PM Subject: Re: KR>Dihedral Question > Bob Glidden wrote: > > > I have a set of the gear brackets you made up and they are great.I forget > > how much exactly,but they do weigh less then the Diehl > > brackets...And they > > look great on the taller spar... > > I really can't take credit for that one. That was Dr. Dean's > "product". We probably got the idea from Troy Petteway's plane, which > he had already "crash tested". Broke the aluminum leg, but left the > 4130 mount in fine shape. Dean did an amazing amount of research on > the subject, including a stress analysis of the 3M Scotchply vs > aluminum. I believe he concluded that the 3M stuff had some superior > damping qualities over aluminum, which may be why Dan chose it as the > gear leg material for his gear setups. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:13:45 +1000 From: Barry Kruyssen To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>KR-2S Weight and Balance Message-ID: <00b701c38181$722e0a10$0300a8c0@t1w419> References: <93.334a4844.2ca0cf41@aol.com> <004d01c38176$f71999c0$6401a8c0@mdgwd52jlrmc3l> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 16 Hi Chris, I'd like a copy of your spreadsheet. Do I have to change it for a KR2 (not the "s")? Thanks Barry Kruyssen kr2@BigPond.com AUF Registered 19-3873 ----- Original Message ----- From: "cgardn628" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 12:04 PM Subject: Re: KR>KR-2S Weight and Balance > RV, > > The CG position should be as close to the forward limit as possible , > when empty . ( ie ideally 15-20% MAC or 8-10 inches aft of the leading > at the stub wing). My KR2S empty weight CG came in at 18% . > > When loaded with fuel and passegers , it will move back as expected. > > I don't know how "stock" your KR2S is compared to mine but you are > welcome to use my Excel spreadsheet to enter your exact plane variable > ( moment arms > and weights). The spreadsheet will calculate required % for you. I > will E mail it direct to you ( and anyone who wants it). > > Fly safe , protect yourself ...and our privelege to fly amateur built > aircraft . > > Regards > > Chris Gardiner > C-GKRZ > KR2S > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 6:18 PM > Subject: KR>KR-2S Weight and Balance > > > > Netters; > > I have my 2S balanced according to the wt and balance form provided > in > > the plans. As it currently exists, it seems nose heavy even though > > the CG > is > > only 2" in front of the rear limit. It seems to me that I've heard > > some discussion about the wt and balance in the builders manual > > being > incorrect. As I > > am about ready for the first flight, I would appreciate some input > > on this > > issue. > > > > RV > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 05:43:44 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>KR-2S Weight and Balance Message-ID: <3F7015D0.000045.00368@Computer> References: <004d01c38176$f71999c0$6401a8c0@mdgwd52jlrmc3l> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 17 Chris,=0D =0D Your e-mail address isn't available from the Net, so I am replying to the= =20 all". I would like a copy of your spread sheet. Please mail to the addr= ess listed below. I am going to find a way to make these available off our w= eb site. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:04:25 PM=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: Re: KR>KR-2S Weight and Balance=0D =0D RV,=0D =0D The CG position should be as close to the forward limit as possible , whe= n=0D empty . ( ie ideally 15-20% MAC or 8-10 inches aft of the leading at the=0D stub wing).=0D My KR2S empty weight CG came in at 18% .=0D =0D When loaded with fuel and passegers , it will move back as expected.=0D =0D I don't know how "stock" your KR2S is compared to mine but you are welcom= e=0D to use my Excel spreadsheet to enter your exact plane variable ( moment a= rms=0D and weights). The spreadsheet will calculate required % for you.=0D I will E mail it direct to you ( and anyone who wants it).=0D =0D Fly safe , protect yourself ...and our privelege to fly amateur built=0D aircraft .=0D =0D Regards=0D =0D Chris Gardiner=0D C-GKRZ=0D KR2S=0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: =0D To: =0D Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 6:18 PM=0D Subject: KR>KR-2S Weight and Balance=0D =0D =0D > Netters;=0D > I have my 2S balanced according to the wt and balance form provided=0D in=0D > the plans. As it currently exists, it seems nose heavy even though the > = CG=0D is=0D > only 2" in front of the rear limit. It seems to me that I've heard > some= =0D > discussion about the wt and balance in the builders manual being=0D incorrect. As I=0D > am about ready for the first flight, I would appreciate some input on > t= his=0D > issue.=0D >=0D > RV=0D > _______________________________________________=0D > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom DanRH@alltel.net Tue Sep 23 03:15:18 2003 Received: from mta01.alltel.net ([166.102.165.143] helo=mta01-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1A1kCT-0002IR-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:15:17 -0700 Received: from Computer ([151.213.88.254]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20030923101805.YDRT25097.mta01-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 05:18:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3F701DDF.00005F.00368@Computer> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 06:18:07 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: 3.0 X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: "krnet@mylist.net" Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Weight and Balance Spread Sheets X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: The W & B Spread Sheets are available on our Web Site. Just click on thi= s link. http://KR-Builder.org and the links to the sheets are just below = the Post of the week, a very short scroll down.=0D =0D Just click on the link to the sheet. When it opens, do a "file" Save as"= to your hard drive. You must have Excel for this to work.=0D =0D User input will be appreciated and will be added to some narrative about each of the sheets as I get it.=0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From christian.kogelmann@aua.com Tue Sep 23 03:55:46 2003 Received: from mailaua1.aua.com ([193.154.227.29] helo=s0037928.vie.aua.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1A1kpd-0002Su-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:55:46 -0700 Received: by s0037928.vie.aua.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:57:25 +0200 Message-ID: <9D054CEF43F1C243A279E5435E9717461DBC20@sviemxs02.gate01.skylines.global> From: Kogelmann Christian - OS ETA To: 'KR builders and pilots' Subject: RE: KR>KR-2S Weight and Balance Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:58:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Chris, I believe you fly a KR-2S with VW engine? Does you airplane have a neutral or even slightly negative stability. Did you do the Stability test as described in the EAA Sport aviation = (stick force measurements?)? I haven't gotten to the stick force measurement's yet, but there is a = strong indication, that the my "stock KR-2S" is neutral stable...(maybe even negative) I will get to the stability test next, but I am afraid the result might = lead to increasing the horizontal stabilizer area. On the positive side, I have managed to sort out my trim problem. = single pilot with full fuel (header tank) I can trim now all the way down to = 70kts, however the trim tab position is almost like the one Mark Langford = posted showing Steve Aldermans KR 2 at the gathering (80=B0 down). Thanks Christian OE-VPD http://www.members.aon.at/oevpd -----Original Message----- From: cgardn628 [mailto:cgardn628@rogers.com] Sent: Dienstag, 23. September 2003 04:04 To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>KR-2S Weight and Balance RV, The CG position should be as close to the forward limit as possible , = when empty . ( ie ideally 15-20% MAC or 8-10 inches aft of the leading at = the stub wing). My KR2S empty weight CG came in at 18% . When loaded with fuel and passegers , it will move back as expected. I don't know how "stock" your KR2S is compared to mine but you are = welcome to use my Excel spreadsheet to enter your exact plane variable ( moment = arms and weights). The spreadsheet will calculate required % for you. I will E mail it direct to you ( and anyone who wants it). Fly safe , protect yourself ...and our privelege to fly amateur built aircraft . Regards Chris Gardiner C-GKRZ KR2S ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 6:18 PM Subject: KR>KR-2S Weight and Balance > Netters; > I have my 2S balanced according to the wt and balance form = provided in > the plans. As it currently exists, it seems nose heavy even though = the CG is > only 2" in front of the rear limit. It seems to me that I've heard = some > discussion about the wt and balance in the builders manual being incorrect. As I > am about ready for the first flight, I would appreciate some input on > = this > issue. > > RV > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:56:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>NewSubscriber Message-ID: <20030923165641.92373.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <005001c37fef$af17f500$6401a8c0@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 18 Doesn't Larry Capps live in Naiperville? Larry is the "keeper" of the newsletters, and would be an excellent resource for you. Welcome aboard. --- Mark Jones wrote: > Hello Woody and welcome to the KR family. I am 25 > miles west of Milwaukee. > You are fortunate to live where you do. The reason I > say this is that next > year the KR Gathering is going to be very close to > you in MT Vernon, > Illinois. You will be able to get some real KR > experience there. In case you > are unfamiliar with the KR gathering, it is an > annual event where we all > gather for several days usually in September and > talk KR and examine every > detail of each KR that flies in. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Woodyatt" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 8:46 PM > Subject: KR>NewSubscriber > > > > Hello All, > > My name is Woody, I'm new to the list, and have > recently purchased a > > partially completed KR-2S. I live between > Champaign and Kankakee > > Illinois and wonder if there any KR > builders/owners in my area? Would > > like to communicate off-net. > > Don Woodyatt > > woody@illicom.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at > http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Linden, MI s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 167, Issue 1 *************************************