From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 183, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. sonerai landing gear (James Leverton) 2. horizontal Stabilizer extensions 3. Re: horizontal Stabilizer extensions (Kenneth L Wiltrout) 4. has anyone had experience adding span to the horizontal stabilizerafter its finished? (Dan Heath) 5. Rotax engine (Brian Kraut) 6. building counterbalance on elevator!!! (Ross Evans) 7. vw oil leaks post flight inspection 8. RE: vw oil leaks post flight inspection (Jim Faughn) 9. prelube (Colin) 10. Re: has anyone had experience adding span to the horizontalstabilizerafter its finished? (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dami=E3o_Lycari=E3o?=) 11. Re: building counterbalance on elevator!!! (Justin) 12. Re: has anyone had experience adding span to the horizontalstabilizerafter its finished? (Ivan & Ilse Miller) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:18:45 -0500 From: "James Leverton" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>sonerai landing gear Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 1 Does anyone know about using a sonerai landing gear on a kr-2? I read that troy petteway cut them apart and mounted them to the spar. I would like to do the same. Do the wheels have to be at a certain distance in front of the spars? The Grove landing gear angles forward 7" but they are $800. $425. from great plains for the sonerai gear looks a whole lot better if it will work. Thanks Jim _________________________________________________________________ Instant message during games with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:23:30 -0500 From: DPurduski@CaldwellMfgCo.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>horizontal Stabilizer extensions Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 In an attempt to decrease pitch sensitivity, has anyone had experience adding span to the horizontal stabilizer after its finished? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:01:35 -0400 From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>horizontal Stabilizer extensions Message-ID: <20031008.170136.3416.0.klw1953@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 If your talking about the 2S I really don't think this thing called pitch sensitivity is a big thing or that it even exists. 6399U took getting used to but that's pretty much it..---------------Good Luck!! On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:23:30 -0500 DPurduski@CaldwellMfgCo.com writes: > In an attempt to decrease pitch sensitivity, has anyone had > experience > adding span to the horizontal stabilizer after its finished? > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:28:23 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: KR>has anyone had experience adding span to the horizontal stabilizerafter its finished? Message-ID: <3F848177.000009.01292@Computer> References: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 I don't think that very many people worry about it much AFTER it is finis= hed Then, they just fly it. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom DanRH@alltel.net Wed Oct 08 14:26:21 2003 Received: from mta02.alltel.net ([166.102.165.144] helo=mta02-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1A7Lp7-000EtK-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:26:21 -0700 Received: from Computer ([151.213.92.252]) by mta02-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20031008212951.UEAO2333.mta02-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:29:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3F8481D2.00000B.01292@Computer> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 17:29:54 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: KR>sonerai landing gear Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Ask Steve at Great Plains, he knows about both aircraft as he has a KR. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =20From engalt@earthlink.net Wed Oct 08 15:15:25 2003 Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.54]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1A7Mab-000FYK-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:15:25 -0700 Received: from louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.221]) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1A7Mdz-0001Wm-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:18:55 -0700 Message-ID: <17355183.1065651535332.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:18:50 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>has anyone had experience adding span to the horizontal stabilizerafter its finished? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Brian Kraut , KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: My personal thought after my 2 1/2 hours I have done in my KR the past week and a half and the 1 1/2 hours I have had in two other KRs is that pitch sensitivity is a complete non issue. I have not flown a 2S yet, but with my experience so far, if I were to build a new KR today I wouldn't even bother stretching it and adding the extra weight. My guess is that the people that have a problem with the pitch sensitivity either have their C.G. to far aft, their sticks are to short, or they have been flying spam cans to long and haven't taken the fifteen minutes to get used to a KR. I still think a KR is every bit as easy to fly as a 152. Keep in mind that I am still a very low time KR pilot and I haven't flown near gross weight yet so I am certainly not the authority on this issue. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Heath Sent: Oct 8, 2003 5:28 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>has anyone had experience adding span to the horizontal stabilizerafter its finished? I don't think that very many people worry about it much AFTER it is finished Then, they just fly it. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ._______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:28:49 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Brian Kraut To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Rotax engine Message-ID: <7483318.1065652129501.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 I met someone yesterday that has a Zenith that he landed in a field three years ago because of a fuel management issue (somehow drained the header tank into the wing tank while flying). There was no damage and the engine was fine the last it ran, but he never preserved the engine correctly. He just drained the fuel out of the plane and put it in storage. I told him that the best thing to do would be to tear the engine down and inspect it or at least find someone with a borescope to look inside for rust before he tries to start it. If he decides that he just wants to just take a chance at spinning a frozen bearing or gouging his pistons on rusty cylinders what should be done before he starts the engine besides changing the oil and pulling off the valve covers to inspect what he can see? Is there any kind of oil or something that is recommended for spraying in the cylinders first or something that he should pump through the oil system to clean it out first? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 08:35:10 +1000 From: "Ross Evans" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>building counterbalance on elevator!!! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 6 hi guys I am after some info on how to attach a counter balance on the elevator. how would you attach the arm to an already built elevator as per plans using what material. Mark langford u gave me the idea how would u do it? I have purchased the project in Australia. How fast will a kr2S go with 110hp with reduction drive? Cheers Ross Evans Brisbane Australia _________________________________________________________________ E-mail just got a whole lot better. New ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 19:05:20 EDT From: Flymaca711689@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>vw oil leaks post flight inspection Message-ID: <3d.35f2e099.2cb5f230@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 they all leak all though some say different so in the real world mine uses about 1/2 qt every 5 hrs so I think that's reasonable. How much are you guys loosing? or not what's normal? for the vw convertion . mac ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:02:48 -0500 From: "Jim Faughn" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: RE: KR>vw oil leaks post flight inspection Message-ID: <000301c38e01$0f3eef00$b3d55540@jfaughn> In-Reply-To: <3d.35f2e099.2cb5f230@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 I use about 1/2 quart between oil changes or every 25 hours. I have 300 hours on my engine. Jim Jim Faughn 4323D Laclede Ave. St. Louis, MO 63108 (314)652-7659 Email - sub @ for "at" jfaughn "at" socket.net Web Site http://jfaughn.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Flymaca711689@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:05 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>vw oil leaks post flight inspection they all leak all though some say different so in the real world mine uses about 1/2 qt every 5 hrs so I think that's reasonable. How much are you guys loosing? or not what's normal? for the vw convertion . mac _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 07:54:39 -0400 From: "Colin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>prelube Message-ID: <003d01c38e5c$1e53ce10$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 9 Brian, It would seem to me that this is similar to prelubing a new engine. I = would find a way to pump up the oil pressure without spinning the = engine, to prelube all that the oil can reach, and then squirt some 5w30 = or 10w30 oil down the spark plug holes, say 1/2 and ounce, and then = rotate the engine by hand. I would use this opportunity to see if it is = frozen, how the resistance feels, is it uniform, or does the engine = "catch" at any point, and to circulate some of the oil. Then fire it up. Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From asavant@notes.state.ne.us Thu Oct 09 05:43:29 2003 Received: from imssmtp02.ims.state.ne.us ([164.119.241.2]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1A7a8f-000MJC-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Thu, 09 Oct 2003 05:43:29 -0700 Received: from IMSMAIL01.IMS.STATE.NE.US ([164.119.10.112]) by imssmtp02.ims.state.ne.us (Lotus Domino Release 6.0.2CF1) with ESMTP id 2003100907554791-416 ; Thu, 9 Oct 2003 07:55:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: <17355183.1065651535332.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: KR>has anyone had experience adding span to the horizontal stabilizerafter its finished? To: KR builders and pilots X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.1 February 07, 2003 Message-ID: From: asavant@notes.state.ne.us Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 07:47:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on IMSMAIL01.IMS.STATE.NE.US/NEBRLN(Release 6.0.2CF1|June9, 2003) at 10/09/2003 07:47:16 AM, Itemize by SMTP Server on IMSSMTP02.IMS.STATE.NE.US/NEBRLN(Release 6.0.2CF1|June9, 2003) at 10/09/2003 07:55:47 AM, Serialize by Router on IMSSMTP02.IMS.STATE.NE.US/NEBRLN(Release 6.0.2CF1|June9, 2003) at 10/09/2003 07:55:49 AM, Serialize complete at 10/09/2003 07:55:49 AM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: >My guess is that the people that have a problem with the pitch >sensitivity either have their C.G. to far aft, their sticks are to short, or they have been flying spam cans to long and haven't taken the fifteen minutes to get used to a KR.< That is the absolute truth. I am not even a student pilot yet (hope to start next year) but I tried flying (landing) the KR in Microsoft flight simulator a while back and crashed.. tried again and crashed again. Went back to landing 172s many times without any suprises. Then practiced on a Tiger moth and a some other tail dragger I can't remember the name now (not had my coffee yet :)) and now I can land the KR with not trouble. Not perfect yet but getting there. Moral of the story.... just needs a little practice and getting used to. (In case someone missed that.... all of my flying is in a simulator :)) Cheers! Ameet Savant asavant@notes.state.ne.us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:36:13 -0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dami=E3o_Lycari=E3o?= To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>has anyone had experience adding span to the horizontalstabilizerafter its finished? Message-ID: <001901c38e83$74a1da10$10a196c8@pt5paeyo2iq902> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 10 Keep in mind that the flight models for MS Flight simulator often hardly come close to the real thing, in most cases don't . Damião ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 5:47 AM Subject: Re: KR>has anyone had experience adding span to the horizontalstabilizerafter its finished? > > > > > >My guess is that the people that have a problem with the pitch sensitivity > either have their C.G. to far aft, their sticks are to short, or they > have been flying spam cans to long and haven't taken the fifteen > minutes to get used to a KR.< > > That is the absolute truth. I am not even a student pilot yet (hope to > start next year) but I tried flying (landing) the KR in Microsoft > flight simulator a while back and crashed.. tried again and crashed > again. Went back to landing 172s many times without any suprises. Then > practiced on a Tiger moth and a some other tail dragger I can't > remember the name now (not > had my coffee yet :)) and now I can land the KR with not trouble. Not > perfect yet but getting there. Moral of the story.... just needs a > little practice and getting used to. (In case someone missed that.... > all of my flying is in a simulator :)) > > Cheers! > > Ameet Savant > asavant@notes.state.ne.us > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:11:34 -0500 From: "Justin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>building counterbalance on elevator!!! Message-ID: <001001c38f27$a5e83160$d1d91818@computer> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 11 The way im doing my Counter-balances is this. First I build the HS and offsetting the outboard jigs by 2" closer to the center. Then Im going to cut into the HS and attach the counterweight usuing plywood, foam around it and glass it in place. The plywood is only to hold the weigth in place for the cureing time of the fiberglass. Doign it this way I have to cut into the aft spar for the HS but not much. Yours is already build some some how find a way to get another peice of wood inbetween the 2 spars for torision strength. Mine are offset like I said. Good luck, Justin N116JW www.geocities.com/attngrabber14/Home ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Evans" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 5:35 PM Subject: KR>building counterbalance on elevator!!! > hi guys I am after some info on how to attach a counter balance on the > elevator. how would you attach the arm to an already built elevator as > per plans using what material. Mark langford u gave me the idea how > would u do it? I have purchased the project in Australia. How fast > will a kr2S go with > 110hp with reduction drive? > Cheers > > Ross Evans > Brisbane Australia > > _________________________________________________________________ > E-mail just got a whole lot better. New ninemsn Premium. Click here > http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:45:53 +0200 From: "Ivan & Ilse Miller" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>has anyone had experience adding span to the horizontalstabilizerafter its finished? Message-ID: <005801c38e8d$310a5700$89a6ef9b@m6o3w1> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 12 Hay! Tell us were you got that Kr! I also want one downloaded on my flightsimulator. Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 2:47 PM Subject: Re: KR>has anyone had experience adding span to the horizontalstabilizerafter its finished? > > > > > >My guess is that the people that have a problem with the pitch sensitivity > either have their C.G. to far aft, their sticks are to short, or they > have been flying spam cans to long and haven't taken the fifteen > minutes to get used to a KR.< > > That is the absolute truth. I am not even a student pilot yet (hope to > start next year) but I tried flying (landing) the KR in Microsoft > flight simulator a while back and crashed.. tried again and crashed > again. Went back to landing 172s many times without any suprises. Then > practiced on a Tiger moth and a some other tail dragger I can't > remember the name now (not > had my coffee yet :)) and now I can land the KR with not trouble. Not > perfect yet but getting there. Moral of the story.... just needs a > little practice and getting used to. (In case someone missed that.... > all of my flying is in a simulator :)) > > Cheers! > > Ameet Savant > asavant@notes.state.ne.us > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > ************************************************************ > Scanned by @lantic IS Virus Control Service > This message was scanned for viruses and dangerous content. @lantic > Internet Services (Pty) Ltd. - http://www.lantic.net eScan for > Windows-based PCs - http://www.escan.co.za > ************************************************************ > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 183, Issue 1 *************************************