From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 187, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Foam/fuel &resin (Colin) 2. Foam/fuel &resin (Larry A Capps) 3. RR Dual Stick (Dean Cooper) 4. insurance (larry flesner) 5. Jabiru Engines 6. Re: Jabiru Engines (Dan Heath) 7. Jabiru Engines (Fisher, Dick) 8. RE: wheel pants and CG (Wood, Sidney M.) 9. Re: wheel pants and CG (Brian Kraut) 10. Re: Jabiru Engines (Bob Glidden) 11. Re: Jabiru Engines 12. Re: Jabiru Engines (Fisher, Dick) 13. nose Gear (jerry allen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:33:31 -0400 From: "Colin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Foam/fuel &resin Message-ID: <001601c390f7$b823c660$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 1 Allan,=20 If you will check the archives you will see a detailed discussion of the = pros and cons, uses and methods of fuel and fiberglass. Vinylester resin = is necessary to be used with the glass components in order to prevent = eventual breakdown of the composite structure due to fuel = erosion/dis-solving. Otherwise all the netters have agreed that building = a separate aluminum cell and then after leak checking, installing is = probably the simplest way.=20 Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sun Oct 12 12:34:02 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.1.43]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1A8lyc-0007yk-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:34:02 -0700 Received: from Beverly (5.70.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.70.5]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.5) with SMTP id h9CJbg1f012196 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002501c390f8$4c9c80c0$05462141@Beverly> From: "Colin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:37:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Insurance X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Netters, I was recently informed that there are only actually 3 insurance = companies that write policies for aviation in the US any more. All = others are actually brokers using one of the 3 companies, and calling = themselves an insurance company. Typically after checking with 2 or 3 = brokers, your quotes should all be in the same range from then on, based = on how much commission they look to add or make. Colin Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From larry.capps@comcast.net Sun Oct 12 12:44:18 2003 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1A8m8Y-000868-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:44:18 -0700 Received: from schpankme (12-251-66-163.client.attbi.com[12.251.66.163]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20031012194759014009ku77e>; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:47:59 +0000 From: "Larry A Capps" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:48:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c390f9$d8d72260$0200a8c0@schpankme> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Subject: KR>Foam/foam X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: larry.capps@comcast.net, KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Urethane = Un-dissolvable by solvents Styrene = Solvent dissolvable Also remember for you guys and gals that like to hot wire foam, "URETHANE will kill the brain"! Regards, Larry A Capps KR Newsletter CD Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- Is the foam that is used fuel resistent or does it desolve. and the glass is used as the protectorant. can the pink insulation foam that is available at home depot ok to use or is there a better type. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:58:54 -0500 From: "Larry A Capps" To: "'KR builders and pilots'" Subject: KR>Foam/fuel &resin Message-ID: <000901c390fb$43c54a60$0200a8c0@schpankme> In-Reply-To: <001601c390f7$b823c660$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: list Message: 2 Builders have successfully constructed composite fuel tanks using foam/epoxy since the early 1970’s. The secret to building a durable fuel tank is a thick, well-cured epoxy coating. see archives: Steps to Building Composite Fuel Tanks www.maddyhome.com/krsrch Regards, Larry A Capps KR Newsletter CD Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- If you will check the archives uses and methods of fuel and fiberglass. netters have agreed that building a separate aluminum cell is probably the simplest way ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:42:17 -0400 From: "Dean Cooper" To: "KR Net" Subject: KR>RR Dual Stick Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 Netters, Does anyone have any pictures of the dual stick assembly sold by RR that = they could point me to? Dean Cooper Jacksonville, FL See my KR project at: www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2.htmlFrom karibird37@msn.com Sun Oct 12 14:08:48 2003 Received: from bay4-dav149.bay4.hotmail.com ([65.54.171.179] helo=hotmail.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1A8nSK-0008hY-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:08:48 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:12:29 -0700 Received: from 67.243.39.176 by bay4-dav149.bay4.hotmail.com with DAV; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:12:29 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.243.39.176] X-Originating-Email: [karibird37@msn.com] From: "Sam Sayer" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Foam/foam Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:12:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.02.0011.2700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2003 21:12:29.0817 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B85C690:01C39105] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Allen--- The pink polystyrene that is sold at Home depot does not dissol= ve in gasoline, but it will dissolve in MEK, etc. My whole plane is made= of the pink polystyrene foam.My first KR's fuel was made of fiber-glass = and epoxy. The tank has had no problems using auto gas or 100 No Lead. = The tank is 20 years old now and is still in use in another plane. So = if you want to use the pink foam, go for it because gas will not attack i= t. =20 Sam Sayer ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan D Olcott Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 12:30 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Foam/foam =20 Is the foam that is used fuel resistent or does it desolve. and the glass= is =20 used as the protectorant. can the pink insulation foam that is available at home depot ok to use or= is =20 there a better type. thank you allan d olcott _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! =20 http://msnmessenger-download.com _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.htmlGet more = from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:14:35 -0500 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>insurance Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031012211435.007f2100@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <007801c390ef$d460c100$39cffea9@holly---paden-s> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 4 There's a lot of information in here and the authur >, Scott Smith, is an agent and says that He was appionted by Jeannette >Rand as the preferred agent for the KR2. Paden Waldren +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= I've had my Tripacer insurance for 5 1/2 years through Scott "Sky" Smith and I'm now with the third insurance company. They are great people to work with but I recently tried to get insurance on the KR (liability only) and they coundn't find anyone that would insure it. Avemco said they would give me liability for about $1000 a year. I plan to get 3 months coverage just before my first flight (soon) and then get a re-quote. I was "playing" on the runway today and bystanders said the tail was up on one run for 50 feet or more. I couldn't even tell it came up as it was tracking straight as an arrow and required little if any rudder input. Something to be said for my 8 foot wide gear and the 24 inch stretch on the fuselage. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 03:42:56 EDT From: Kr2sN506KR@aol.com To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Jabiru Engines Message-ID: <39.3f0b8453.2cbbb180@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 5 I was wondering if any one else has heard of Jabiru Aero Engines? I checked out their web site and the have an 120hp eng listed for the KR1 and KR2. I don't remember all of the specs but I do remember that with all of the accessories its ramp weight was 178lbs wet. There was a guy asking about lycom eng parts. He should Check out these eng I believe they also build them in Australia as well as the U. S. Here is the link to the U.S. web site http://www.usjabiru.com/ Here is the link to the Australia site http://www.jabiru.net.au/ Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:21:17 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Jabiru Engines Message-ID: <3F8A7C9D.000009.01532@Computer> References: <39.3f0b8453.2cbbb180@aol.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6 I don't really know anything about them except that the name is very familiar. Thanks for the web site, the engines look very nice and I like that they have the complete package. Getting 80HP out of 132 pounds is a real deal and what I would choose for a KR2, out of that group.=0D =0D Their site is broken where you click to find out the specs, and hopefully= , prices. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From clappscar@cybersouth.com Mon Oct 13 06:32:23 2003 Received: from swjdns2.swifttel.com ([12.173.150.77] helo=isoa.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1A92oA-000DxG-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:32:22 -0700 Received: from [207.53.87.62] (HELO cybersouth.com) by isoa.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.5) with ESMTP id 352779 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 23:30:31 -0400 Received: from clapp [65.210.252.57] by cybersouth.com (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB6E13DC00EE; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 23:26:38 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c3913a$9f16ad20$39fcd241@clapp> From: "William Clapp" To: "KR builders and pilots" Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 23:32:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>wheel pants and CG X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: The tires for my KR are Lamb 4.00 X 5 - 8 Ply. I am going to be = flipping the plane over to build up stub wings and fairings. There was = a man at the Gathering that had a mold and wheel pants. Does anybody = know if they will be available and if they fit my tire? Or are there = other pants out there that will work well with my set up? Does anybody = make a tailwheel pant and is it going overboard to install one? =20 On the CG issue, I plan to have my aft cg adjusted for 4 gallons in = header, full baggage and one 200 passenger. I believe that when the = plane is empty the CG should be just forward of the forward limit and = then on the forward limit with pilot (necessary equipment) and full = header - empty wing tanks. I have flown my previous KR on the aft limit = - two people, and baggage - and it did make it more difficult on = landings. I increased my approach spped by 5-10 mph to allow for better = and smoother control - always wheel landing it. I believe if I could = have done some changes I would have moved my battery up into the engine = compartment and it would have flown a bit better at gross. Since my = Corvair may be a tad heavier than the Turbo Revemaster ( by only a few = pounds) I should balance out well with the 2S. My elevator is 6" = wider and should provide more stability if I fly with a more nose heavy = CG. We will know soon.... Happy building... Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:40:53 -0400 From: "Fisher, Dick" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Jabiru Engines Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20031013103556.009f7cb0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 The Jabiru 2200 80 HP costs about $9,200.00 and the Jabiru 3300 120 HP is $12,900.00. They come complete ready to install and are using the Bing carb. There are many of them flying on the Sonex aircraft with few reported problems. Dick Fisher Franklin, PA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:11:38 -0400 From: "Wood, Sidney M." 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If he is on the list or anyone has contact info I may interrested in buying a set also. -----Original Message----- From: William Clapp Sent: Oct 12, 2003 11:32 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>wheel pants and CG The tires for my KR are Lamb 4.00 X 5 - 8 Ply. I am going to be flipping the plane over to build up stub wings and fairings. There was a man at the Gathering that had a mold and wheel pants. Does anybody know if they will be available and if they fit my tire? Or are there other pants out there that will work well with my set up? Does anybody make a tailwheel pant and is it going overboard to install one? On the CG issue, I plan to have my aft cg adjusted for 4 gallons in header, full baggage and one 200 passenger. I believe that when the plane is empty the CG should be just forward of the forward limit and then on the forward limit with pilot (necessary equipment) and full header - empty wing tanks. I have flown my previous KR on the aft limit - two people, and baggage - and it did make it more difficult on landings. I increased my approach spped by 5-10 mph to allow for better and smoother control - always wheel landing it. I believe if I could have done some changes I would have moved my battery up into the engine compartment and it would have flown a bit better at gross. Since my Corvair may be a tad heavier than the Turbo Revemaster ( by only a few pounds) I should balance out well with the 2S. My elevator is 6" wider and should provide more stability if I fly with a more nose heavy CG. We will know soon.... Happy building... Bill _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:04:40 -0500 From: "Bob Glidden" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>Jabiru Engines Message-ID: <001f01c391b4$7a8a9870$6401a8c0@COMPUTER1> References: <39.3f0b8453.2cbbb180@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 10 There was a KR2 at sun-n fun this past year that had a Jabiru engine in it.I went buy several times to try and talk to the guy,but it was all closed up and when I went back later in the day he was gone. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 2:42 AM Subject: KR>Jabiru Engines > I was wondering if any one else has heard of Jabiru Aero Engines? > I checked out their web site and the have an 120hp eng listed for the > KR1 and KR2. I > don't remember all of the specs but I do remember that with all of the > accessories its ramp weight was 178lbs wet. > > There was a guy asking about lycom eng parts. He should Check out > these eng I > believe they also build them in Australia as well as the U. S. > > Here is the link to the U.S. web site http://www.usjabiru.com/ > > Here is the link to the Australia site http://www.jabiru.net.au/ > > > Chris Theroux > Gilbert, AZ > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:08:06 -0500 From: DPurduski@CaldwellMfgCo.com To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Jabiru Engines Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 Is there a weight comparison on the various engines somewhere? It'd be nice for CG planning purposes. "Bob Glidden" Sent by: To: "KR builders and pilots" krnet-bounces+dpurduski=caldwellmfgco.com cc: @mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Jabiru Engines 10/13/2003 01:04 PM Please respond to KR builders and pilots There was a KR2 at sun-n fun this past year that had a Jabiru engine in it.I went buy several times to try and talk to the guy,but it was all closed up and when I went back later in the day he was gone. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 2:42 AM Subject: KR>Jabiru Engines > I was wondering if any one else has heard of Jabiru Aero Engines? > I checked out their web site and the have an 120hp eng listed for the > KR1 and KR2. I > don't remember all of the specs but I do remember that with all of the > accessories its ramp weight was 178lbs wet. > > There was a guy asking about lycom eng parts. He should Check out > these eng I > believe they also build them in Australia as well as the U. S. > > Here is the link to the U.S. web site http://www.usjabiru.com/ > > Here is the link to the Australia site http://www.jabiru.net.au/ > > > Chris Theroux > Gilbert, AZ > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:38:46 -0400 From: "Fisher, Dick" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Jabiru Engines Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20031013143657.009f8650@pop3.norton.antivirus> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 12 Bob, The 80 HP is about 132 lbs and the 120 HP is 178 lbs. Dick Fisher Franklin, PA > >>>>Is there a weight comparison on the various engines somewhere? > >>>>It'd be >nice for CG planning purposes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:54:18 -0500 From: "jerry allen" To: Subject: KR>nose Gear Message-ID: <002901c391bb$6a2494c0$07b62140@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 13 I have a Retractable Tricycle landing Gear A Modification by Bill De = Freze. for sale. I am going back to the conventional. tail wheel and looking to = by one also. allenjj@grantsburgtelcom.net ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 187, Issue 1 *************************************