From: krnet-bounces+johnbou=speakeasy.net@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 194, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: paint/antennaes (bill kirkland) 2. paint (Oscar Zuniga) 3. Re: paint (Jim Morehead) 4. Re: paint (Mark Langford) 5. Re: paint (Dan Heath) 6. Painting tips (William Clapp) 7. Re: RED paint (Scott Cable) 8. Re: molds (Wayne Israelsen) 9. RE: KR1 and Bill Stead's Miss Cosmic Wind (Scott Cable) 10. aircraft parts sale (Oscar Zuniga) 11. Pattern Transfer Method (Scott Cable) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:19:18 -0400 From: "bill kirkland" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>paint/antennaes Message-ID: <000b01c39675$e610b320$02488a3f@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> References: <20031017134220.16208.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com><3F906996.000001.02736@Computer><1dd501c3950b$c72cd990$1202a8c0@basement><002b01c39557$9c4e5ae0$9f5f570c@donnas><1e5b01c3957a$93b1fd10$1202a8c0@basement> <002701c3963d$62288520$705f570c@donnas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Tim; In the KR your handheld would receive and Tx better than in a spam can because the canopy doesn't interfere with the radio waves. The silver paint would likely cause some interference. The ground makes the ant. work better thus building a ground plane and a proper ant. into the plane will greatly help Tx and Rx. The Ant. is the single most important part of a radio system. Amatuer radio operators have a whole class of people who specia`lize in working the whole world on three watts of power or less. They make up for the lack of power by using very large, very efficient antennaes. Mine used to be thirty feet in diameter and weigh 60 lbs. Pay attention to your antennae. VE3MZR W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND wkirkland@rogers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: Re: KR>paint > Hi Mark, > Well I'd be lying if I said you didn't scare the hell out of me about using > silver paint.( I have two Gal.) > Do you see any problems using a handheld with it's own antenna not grounded > to the airframe?Would it be the same as in a Spam can? I don't plan on using > the Nav on it as this is a day VFR only plane(mine, not the design) As > far as the feather fill, I too am not trying to achieve perfection but > get close as I can within reason and feather fill is said to be great > at sanding and filling imperfections, But I still want the UV > protection from the smooth prime. Thanks again, > Tim Bellville > KR2 N7038V > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > To: "KR builders and pilots" > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 9:20 AM > Subject: Re: KR>paint > > > > Tim wrote: > > > > > I plan on using "Nevada silver" as a base and considering a checkerboard > > > pattern on the nose. > > > > The thing about silver is that is entirely composed of metallic > > aluminum chips. You might argue that it's very thin, and you'd be > > right, be so is > > aluminum foil, the stuff that people use to make ground planes out > > of. I > > was thinking about painting my plane the same color as my car, which > > has a > > little metallic in it. An electrical engineer buddy whose specialty > > is antennas modeled my vertical stab and antenna in some software > > that > analyzes > > antenna patterns at specific frequencies. While the signal improved > > slightly out front (for 123 kHz), it just about got killed > > completely from > > behind, thanks to the vertical stab and rudder behind it. That's > > bad enough, but then it dawned on me that the other half of antenna > > dipole is > > buried INSIDE the fuselage, and beneath the aft deck, so you might > > as well > > throw that leg away entirely! That's when I went to just plain red. > Based > > on his analysis, and the experience of others, silver paint would > seriously > > degrade antenna performance, which is why I'm probably going with a > > very light gray on top instead. My thinking is that white or light > > gray is > easy > > to see from above, and a dark color such as red is easy to see from below. > > If neither of those arguments hold water, then it's just because I > > like > red! > > > > > As A side note, do you see any problem using feather fill over > > smoothprime? > > > > I don't know about Feather Fill, but I sprayed an entire layer of urethane > > primer over Smooth Prime on my plane. Not that it proves anything, > > just that I don't think there'll be a problem with what I did. > > Can't say about > > Feather Fill, since it's polyester based. Wouldn't you want to > > follow Smooth Prime with the primer or sealer that's recommended for > > your top > coat? > > For example, DuPont's Ultimate 2K urethane primer is OK for use > > directly under DuPont's urethane colors, and it has a great build > > and is easy to sand. It's working for me. Feather Fill might be > > just fine, but I don't > > know. I guess I should let somebody that knows what they're talking about > > answer that one... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:03:29 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>paint Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 2 Folks, just because you want to use silver paint doesn't mean you have to suffer poor radio operation. Just install the antenna on the outside of the airplane instead of burying it in the structure, and in effect the silver paint becomes a ground plane. Sure, you add the drag of an external antenna, but there's your trade-off. Anybody done any tests to see how much speed you give up by having an external antenna? All except for Mark Langford (who is fairing his itty-bitty transponder antenna, for goodness' sake!), who can even measure it? Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:05:43 -0700 From: Jim Morehead To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>paint Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1eaf01c3964f$51f417c0$1202a8c0@basement> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 3 Mark and Netters, A lot has been said about your paint color selection. Did you paint the bottom of your airplane using your new $50.00 43430 HVLP paint gun from Harbor Freight? Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA > > I should mention that I'm not an expert on paint either....I just play > one on KRNet! I'm just forwarding what I've learned in the last few > months in hopes that it might help others. Painters that actually > know what they are talking about are welcome to chime in... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:09:25 -0500 From: "Mark Langford" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>paint Message-ID: <1fcc01c39685$471aeeb0$1202a8c0@basement> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 4 Jim Moorehead wrote: > A lot has been said about your paint color selection. Did you > paint the bottom of your airplane using your new $50.00 43430 HVLP > paint gun from > Harbor Freight? Actually, I painted it with an old DeVilbiss that I've had for 15 years. But it made a huge mess with all the overspray. When I was finished, I had some paint left over in the gun, so I poured it into the Harbor Freight Special and it worked beautifully with very little overspray. I was mainly worried about the required air capacity (9.5-14.8), since my old 2 HP air compressor was 20 years old when I got it, 25 years ago, and it's supposedly only good for about 9 cfm at 90 psi. Of course, capacity numbers mean nothing without a pressure given (and there is no pressure listed in the "instruction sheet"), and even my old compressor could easily keep up with it. Today I used the 43430 to shoot primer on the "door sills", and it worked fabulously. I plan to use it to shoot the real thing, hopefully tomorrow. My wife has informed me that I'm taking the afternoon off to paint the plane. We'll see if that happens, considering I worked until 3AM this morning at Teledyne Brown, and have 80 hours in for the WEEK! But tomorrow may be the last 80 degree day we have this year, so I'm going to lobby hard. That means I've got a lot of sanding to do between now and nightfall, and then I'm going to have to build a paint booth out of PVC pipe and plastic. As an aside, the guy at the paint store said that HVLP wouldn't flow enough to use on clearcoat. I guess I'll try that tomorrow, and if he's right, I'll drag out the old DeVilbiss to finish the job. He said some painters use an HVLP for paint, and conventional gun for clear. It would certainly work fine for acrylic enamel, though. Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL N56ML "at" hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:43:16 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>paint Message-ID: <3F931384.000028.02224@Computer> References: Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 5 RE: Did you paint the bottom of your airplane using your new $50.00 4343= 0 HVLP paint gun =0D =0D =0D I painted the Little Beast with a gun just like that and will paint the Wannabee with exactly that gun. It is the best painting system for the money that I have ever found. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From GAVINANDLOUISE@bigpond.com Sun Oct 19 17:04:45 2003 Received: from mta06bw.bigpond.com ([144.135.24.156]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ABNXR-000KGI-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:04:45 -0700 Received: from oemcomputer ([144.135.24.72]) by mta06bw.email.bigpond.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HN1000RY46GAR@mta06bw.email.bigpond.com> for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:03:53 +1000 (EST) Received: from bph-d2-p-77-137.tmns.net.au ([144.134.77.137]) by bwmam02.bigpond.com(MAM REL_3_3_2d 11/15091873); Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:03:52 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:06:56 +1000 From: Gavin Donohoe To: KR builders and pilots Message-id: <001201c3969e$13f183a0$894d8690@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Props X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Hi All, Well I've decided on the Subaru engine at last and have one on the way to me with the H.O heads and cam!! Think I'll probably use a Sub 4 reduction drive and twin Bing Carbs, Can someone tell me the model number that I'm after with carbs? and I'll need advice on props, I have a friend who is able to make wooden props but he'll be retired before I'm finished my project, so I want him to make me one soon. Has anybody got experience on diameter and pitch for the Subaru with about 110Hp that can help me so I can get him started on it? I'd appreciate any advice on this. My boat is almost finished, what a relief that'll be !!! Thanks Gavin --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 09/10/2003 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:03:21 -0400 From: "William Clapp" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>Painting tips Message-ID: <001e01c396c7$7cf07ea0$04fcd241@clapp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6 Mark asked for any painters to chime in so here goes. I have been = painting planes and cars for many years now and have a little = experience. Most automotive paint systems are now acrylic urethane, = urethane or a polyurethane that are very good UV protectant paints. I = recommend to stay away from your lacquers and synthetics. Yes many = lacquer primers are cheap but do not do anywhere near the job of a good = 2K (means 2 part) primer. Most of these 2K primers are heavy build = (good for final sanding before sealer) and hold very well. They are = also UV protective. Price for a gallon kit (one gallon primer - one = quart activator) is normally about 65.00. One gallon should do most of = the KR if your bodywork is smooth. I use a filler called Basecoat made = by USC for my "bondo" heavy filler and then finish with a filler called = "Icing" also by USC. These sand very easily and hold up well. On large = surfaces you can use a polyester spray ( take a gun with a 2.0 tip or = larger) and sand down. A polyester spray is also know as "sprayable = bondo". It costs about 35.00 for a quart. I normally use this on large = flat surfaces that have to be very smooth. It sand easily (using 18" = block) After this stage you can go directly to a 2K primer, sand and = then I usually mix 1/2 2Kprimer and 1/2 paint color to make a tinted = sealer that is wet sandable before shooting topcoat. As far as top = coats, any good acrylic Urethane should hold up well, or an acrylic = enamel with a couple coats of urethane clear on top. Urethane clears = are great - 75.00 a gallon or so - easy to color sand and buff. I use = Nason/Transstar/Dupont/Imron and all seem to do well. The biggest = problem I have had is with Imron's Urethane paints.... They are = expensive and near impossible to make any repairs to without reshooting = and entire section. They dont color sand and buff well at all. For = ease of maintenance use Nason, Transstar, and others that are acrylic = urethane. Now, I do have a 18 X 25 downdraft paint booth with 10 foot ceilings = that I use for my car restorations. I told Art Bruce that since he is a = local guy once he gets to the finishing stage I can make my shop = available for him - or others if interested - to come finish wings / = fuse and paint them here. I can also make my services available if you = want me to do it as part of my business. Just a suggestion. I know it = is hard to find a paint booth to do this work at sometimes - most shops = arent interested in helping broke KR builders paint. =20 I hope this helps - any more questions - just ask. I dont claim to know = it all. The paint business is like computers - it changes very quickly = and is hard to keep up at times. That is why I enjoy antiques I guess. Happy Building - Bill=20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 05:29:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>RED paint Message-ID: <20031020122952.19247.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031018014839.63883.qmail@web40903.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 7 > Mark, I can tell that you've been listening to Sammy Hagar... Go For It!!!! > > > Sorry, but I have a bad habit of getting the > > facts, considering all aspects > > of the situation, and making my own decisions. > > It's gonna be red, and if > > y'all don't like it, you can just get over > > it... > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:28:01 -0700 From: "Wayne Israelsen" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>molds Message-ID: <004501c3972f$833a50c0$6701a8c0@HISPEEDWIRELESS.COM> References: <3F8E9940.7010805@newtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 8 The best laugh in a few weeks Thanks Steven Thanks Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Eberhart To: KR builders and pilots Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 6:12 AM Subject: Re: KR>molds > Harbor Freight Aircraft Supply ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:32:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable To: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com, KR builders and pilots Subject: RE: KR>KR1 and Bill Stead's Miss Cosmic Wind Message-ID: <20031020173224.49713.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 9 Not exactly Ron. The Miss Cosmic Wind looks more like a Mid-Winged KR-1 than a Cassutt. The fuselage sides, rudder and canopy are all very much different. Also the Cassutt is Rag & Tube. Neat airplane, but not exactly what I want. --- Ron Freiberger wrote: > Buy Cassutt plans... exactly what you want. > ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:33:12 -0500 From: "Oscar Zuniga" To: corvaircraft@mylist.net Cc: krnet@mylist.net, sqrlnet@yahoogroups.com Subject: KR>aircraft parts sale Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 Folks; I bought a brand-new air/oil separator for my Corvair from Jimi Genzling, aka "Das Desert Eagle", and he has quite a bit of other parts stock available. If interested, email him directly... he's not on our list and I don't have any other info than what you see below. I've posted a picture of the separators he has available, at http://www.flysquirrel.net/corvair/separator.jpg ==================================== From: "Desert Eagle" Reply-To: sirius-aviation@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:05:18 -0600 For folks who know Certified aircraft owners I have a few items, I have what by all appearances, are 2 "New" C-140 top cowls, left and right, no center hinge section. I also have a used, but in good condition 47 left top cowl. I will also be parting out 1 metal 140A wing an 2 140 Rag wings soon. I have not found a suggested price on these "Yet", so now is your chance. I have a C-140 tail cone, ( section), nice stright metal, photos upon request. Unable to find a price for this, so heres your chance. 140 A wing with fuel tank I will be parting out. I also have a Front Spar and all "D" tube metal complete that is ready to go. I also have a limited selection of Oil/ Air Seperators, Vacume pumps, Rudder Pedels, Aircraft Antenna's. Cleveland, Goodyear and Goodrich break parts. Nose Bowls, Cowling pieces and sheetmetal, wing panels and lots of sheet metal. A selection of Cessna 310 tahks, ( old and new style). Many more items to numerous to list, both certified aircraft and hard to find good stuff for homebuilders. You name it, I just might have it. Drop me a note with your wish list to jimi@hdc-nm.com ======================== Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:44:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Cable To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KR>Pattern Transfer Method Message-ID: <20031020174450.99981.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 11 To transfer a pattern to a workpiece here's a simple trick: All that is required is a photocopy of the pattern and an ordinary household iron. With the photocopy placed face down against the workpiece, slowly move the iron (set on high) back and forth. The heat from the iron reactivates the toner on the photocopy and transfers the image to the workpiece. ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! 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