From: krnet-bounces@mylist.net on behalf of krnet-request@mylist.net Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:00 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 202, Issue 1 Send KRnet mailing list submissions to krnet@mylist.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mylist.net/listinfo/krnet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to krnet-request@mylist.net You can reach the person managing the list at krnet-owner@mylist.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of KRnet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Balancing elevator. (Ron Freiberger) 2. closed loop rudder cables. (Harold Woods) 3. balancing elevators (Colin) 4. Re: Balancing elevator. but actually Rudder Cables. (Dan Heath) 5. loosing control movement (larry flesner) 6. Re: KR Testing..and the tail comming up...... (KRJerry) 7. Re: KR Testing..and the tail comming up...... (Timothy Bellville) 8. Re: Newbie questions - Steve McGee (Dan Heath) 9. Fw: KR>Fibreglass (Gavin Donohoe) 10. Re: Rudder Cables. (Scott Cable) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:37:13 -0500 From: "Ron Freiberger" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: RE: KR>Balancing elevator. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001d01c39cbe$d8074420$0400a8c0@D2M43L01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 1 Still not an elevator issue, but you're right. Ron Freiberger mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Russ Fenlason Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:17 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Balancing elevator. I believe that "closed loop" means that they put an extra cable from one rudder pedal to a pulley on the firewall and back to the other pedal. It serves to always keep the cable taught. Russ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:07:34 -0500 From: "Harold Woods" To: Subject: KR>closed loop rudder cables. Message-ID: <005701c39cce$57a6a180$08ee6418@HAROLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 2 My rudder cables came from the rudder horn to the rudder pedals . The = left cable then continues on to a pulley and back to the right pedal. = Thus any movement in either direction is transmited to the opposite = pedal. A spring pulls this pulley so an to put a tension on the cables. = The tension is adjustable by means of an adjustable tension device. I = have a 35 pound tension on the cables regardless of the deflection of = the rudder itself. You do not notice this tension on the cables when you = put your feet on the rudders. Harold Woods Orillia.ON.Can. haroldwoods@rogers.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003From matheson@dodo.com.au Mon Oct 27 13:41:50 2003 Received: from 149.32.220.203.comindico.com.au ([203.220.32.149] helo=relay01.kbs.net.au) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 1AEF7W-000A2l-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:41:50 -0800 Received: from [203.220.150.47] (helo=Office) by relay01.kbs.net.au with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AEF3d-0003XH-00; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:37:49 +1100 Message-ID: <00b701c39cd2$8c4938e0$2f96dccb@Office> From: "Phil Matheson" To: , "KR builders and pilots" References: Subject: Re: KR>Balancing elevator. Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:37:09 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Please Can we change the SUBJECT TITLE when we change subject please. It make it much easier to crack down latter "Balancing Elevator has nothing to do with rudder cables" Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au VH-PKR ( reserved) 61 3 58833588 See our VW Engines and Home built web page at http://www.vw-engines.com/ www.homebuilt-aviation.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:58:29 -0500 From: "Colin" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: KR>balancing elevators Message-ID: <003201c39cd5$74ef1ae0$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 3 My feeling about balancing the elevator is, think about the loss of each = of the control surfaces and what you could do to maintain control. AOPA = Flight Training magazine had a great article on this very subject, in an = article concerning emergency responses. If you lose the ailerons, you = can still mix the elevator and rudder, slow down a bit, and although the = turns are alittle bit un-coordinated, you will turn. If you lose the = rudder, mixing elevator and ailerons, same result; not pretty but you = can safely land. IF you lose the elevator, if you are very lucky you = might be able to control pitch with power, but landing is going to be = nearly impossible. A controlled crash is more likely. Take the time = necessary to properly balance the elevator, install good Dr. Dean = hinges, preflight before and sometimes even after flights, and keep your = controls free of potential hazards. I had the back panel in a Cessna 152 = fall down during a flight, and allow the towbar to slide into the tail = boom during stall practice. Needless to say it was pretty hairy crawling = back the length of that small plane after getting turned around in the = seat, while my instructor at the time dealt with the weight shift of 190 = pounds to the rear! In recent times we just had a KR2 at the Gathering = that lost his baggage compartment during a climbout, believe it was = Marty Roberts, and jammed his elevator control so that he had VERY = little deflection. Thoughts.... Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) crainey1@cfl.rr.com Sanford, Florida FLY SAFE!!!!From wayne@hispeedwireless.com Mon Oct 27 14:45:49 2003 Received: from 209-234-167-3.gen.twtelecom.net ([209.234.167.3] helo=hispeedwireless.com) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)id 1AEG7R-000DG9-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:45:49 -0800 Received: from computer [209.234.167.106] by hispeedwireless.com (SMTPD32-8.03) id AD23402014C; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:33:07 -0800 Message-ID: <001d01c39cdc$246d8000$6701a8c0@HISPEEDWIRELESS.COM> From: "Wayne Israelsen" To: , "KR builders and pilots" References: Subject: Re: KR>Balancing elevator. Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:46:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: yeah I got thinking about what I have been working on and didn't realise my we were talking elevators not ruders. sorry Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Freiberger To: KR builders and pilots Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:37 PM Subject: RE: KR>Balancing elevator. > Still not an elevator issue, but you're right. > > Ron Freiberger > mailto: rfreiberger@swfla.rr.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net > [mailto:krnet-bounces+rfreiberger=swfla.rr.com@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Russ > Fenlason > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:17 PM > To: KR builders and pilots > Subject: Re: KR>Balancing elevator. > > I believe that "closed loop" means that they put an extra cable from > one rudder pedal to a pulley on the firewall and back to the other > pedal. It serves to always keep the cable taught. Russ > > > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > > > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:56:02 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Balancing elevator. but actually Rudder Cables. Message-ID: <3F9DA282.000042.02408@Computer> References: <001d01c39cdc$246d8000$6701a8c0@HISPEEDWIRELESS.COM> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 4 Actually, we are talking elevator balancing, at least that is how the conversation got started. I was talking about keeping the cables taught = and the subject went on to rudder cables.=0D =0D Sorry for the confusion. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From engalt@earthlink.net Mon Oct 27 15:10:33 2003 Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.54]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AEGVN-000ETD-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:10:33 -0800 Received: from louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.221]) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AEGZZ-00049P-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:14:53 -0800 Message-ID: <30035568.1067296492983.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:14:52 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Brian Kraut To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Rudder Cables. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Brian Kraut , KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Has anyone ever actually experienced flutter on the rudder? I just have wimpy springs that take out the slack. I normally keep my feet on the pedals to keep the ball centered, but have been known to remove them from time to time. I have considered putting a bellcrank right behind the seat and running the rudder pedals to it then running cables from the bellcrank to the rudder. That is so that I can stand on the brakes and be putting the tension on the bellcrank instead of the rudder horns. I can't brake real hard now without worrying about ripping the horns out of the rudder. It would also give me the added benefit of keeping a constant tension on the rudder cables. This setup would still let the pedals flop a little, but the cables from the rudder to the belcrank would be under tension. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Heath Sent: Oct 27, 2003 5:56 PM To: krnet@mylist.net Subject: Re: KR>Balancing elevator. but actually Rudder Cables. Actually, we are talking elevator balancing, at least that is how the conversation got started. I was talking about keeping the cables taught and the subject went on to rudder cables. Sorry for the confusion. N64KR Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC DanRH@KR-Builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:00:34 -0600 From: larry flesner To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>loosing control movement Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031027180034.00822dd0@pop.midwest.net> In-Reply-To: <003201c39cd5$74ef1ae0$05462141@Beverly> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 5 In recent times we just had a KR2 at the Gathering that lost his baggage compartment during a climbout, believe it was Marty Roberts, and jammed his elevator control so that he had VERY little deflection. Thoughts.... >Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Yes, my first thought would be to avoid 6 G pull-ups if the baggage holder is not firmly attached. Second thought would be to protect your elevator cables from jaming due to ANY shift in baggage. If we don't learn from other peoples misfortunes we are bound to repeat them. Everyone was elated that Marty made it down without further incident but no one was happer then Marty. He immedatily replace the control stick in his right hand with a cold beverage and called it a day. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:42:58 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "KRJerry" To: Subject: Re: KR>KR Testing..and the tail comming up...... Message-ID: <3F9DC9A2.000001.01004@oldmerlin> References: <000e01c39bf8$fd6adea0$1660570c@donnas> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 6 .......Tim,=0D =0D It might be TOO simple; but might I suggest that you check your horizonta= l stab incidence to your wing stubs chordline. If it is over about three degrees, you have a large problem......=0D =0D KRJerry=0D Jerry Mahurin=0D Lugoff, SC=0D e-mail: KRJerry@bellsouth.net=0D Website: http://KR-Builder.org =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Sunday, October 26, 2003 14:40:11=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: KR>KR Testing=0D =0D =2E................ That is when something amazing happened, with full up elevator, the tail tied down and brakes applied, at 1/2 throttle,the tail came up!=0D The outer wing panels were not installed and I only had about two gal. of fuel in the header tank.=0D Has this happened to anyone else? I never seen a control surface generate that much lift with full opposite deflection.=0D Tim Bellville=0D KR2 N7038V=0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom krjerry@bellsouth.net Mon Oct 27 17:42:48 2003 Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.64]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AEIsh-000LOT-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:42:47 -0800 Received: from oldmerlin ([68.212.87.74]) by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with SMTP id <20031028014711.HNCG1780.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@oldmerlin> for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:47:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3F9DCAA2.000001.03496@oldmerlin> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:47:14 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001138.2001138) From: "KRJerry" References: <3F9DC9A2.000001.01004@oldmerlin> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: KR>KR Testing..and the tail comming up...... Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: =2E.........Tim, et al,=0D =0D What I ment to say was.......... You need at least three degrees negative= , or you have a problem......... If it is POSITIVE, you have a BIG problem= =2E.. =2E... =0D =0D KRJerry=0D Jerry Mahurin=0D Lugoff, SC=0D e-mail: KRJerry@bellsouth.net=0D Website: http://KR-Builder.org =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Monday, October 27, 2003 20:44:00=0D To: krnet@mylist.net=0D Subject: Re: KR>KR Testing..and the tail comming up......=0D =0D .......Tim,=0D =0D It might be TOO simple; but might I suggest that you check your horizonta= l=0D stab incidence to your wing stubs chordline. If it is over about three=0D degrees, you have a large problem......=0D =0D KRJerry=0D Jerry Mahurin=0D Lugoff, SC=0D e-mail: KRJerry@bellsouth.net=0D Website: http://KR-Builder.org=0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: KR builders and pilots=0D Date: Sunday, October 26, 2003 14:40:11=0D To: KR builders and pilots=0D Subject: KR>KR Testing=0D =0D =2E................ That is when something amazing happened, with full up= =0D elevator, the tail tied down and brakes applied, at 1/2 throttle,the tail= =0D came up!=0D The outer wing panels were not installed and I only had about two gal. of= =0D fuel in the header tank.=0D Has this happened to anyone else? I never seen a control surface generate= =0D that much lift with full opposite deflection.=0D Tim Bellville=0D KR2 N7038V=0D _______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2E_______________________________________________=0D see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html=0D =2EFrom kr2cooper@earthlink.net Mon Oct 27 20:15:54 2003 Received: from firecrest.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.121.247]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AELGs-0003Xe-00; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:15:54 -0800 Received: from user-0c8hlqn.cable.mindspring.com ([24.136.215.87] helo=earthlink.net) by firecrest.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AELL8-0002ny-00; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:20:18 -0800 Message-ID: <410-220031022841611260@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.0.129.0 (Windows) From: "Jack Cooper" To: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" , "KR builders and pilots" Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:16:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 43a40ff3c21252eb71639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da9405f86e92e52f66805354dda0f7e6775df350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>engine monitor X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: kr2cooper@earthlink.net, KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Someone emailed me about the engine monitor and I think I deleted your email without a reply. Please email me again off net and I'll try to do better this time. For the rest of you I'll apologize for taking up the band width. Robert J. (Jack) Cooper kr2cooper@earthlink.net http://www.jackandsandycooper.com/kr2.html Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.From lmcgee@maqs.net Mon Oct 27 20:39:43 2003 Received: from diamond.maqs.net ([66.187.32.14]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AELdu-00057j-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:39:42 -0800 Received: from lori8v5h2xi9m3 (oxfo-pvc-133-39.dsl.maqs.net [66.187.41.37]) by diamond.maqs.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F370CDB17F for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:44:04 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00f101c39d0e$2b144ec0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> From: "Steve and Lori McGee" To: Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:44:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Newbie questions X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: I have been busy studying all the websites and whoa - what a variety in = one plane design! If someone could answer these questions I would = appreciate it, and thanks in advance! 1- What is peel -ply? 2- Is the fuse design by Eduardo a viable alternative? Looks like it = would be quieter and it appeals to me more than what I interpret is = very expensive plywood. http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/ebarros/ 3- In a taildragger design, how much speed and handling improvements are = made with retractable main gear. If anyone has had a chance to fly = both. 4- The books referred to commonly by some builders as info sources. = What one is most applicable to the KR2S build style? 5- Does a split flap work better than a full flap? = http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/sandersen/ Thanks again! Safe Flying to ya! Steve McGee Endeavor Wi. Planning to build KR2S lmcgee@maqs.net=20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:16:53 -0500 From: "Timothy Bellville" To: "KR builders and pilots" Subject: Re: KR>KR Testing..and the tail comming up...... Message-ID: <001d01c39d3c$9cb322d0$ec5f570c@donnas> References: <000e01c39bf8$fd6adea0$1660570c@donnas> <3F9DC9A2.000001.01004@oldmerlin> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list Message: 7 Hi Jerry . No problems here. yesterday I was playing around with her again and this time I had nothing behind it and she behaved normally and predictably. with 75% power, the tail came up from neutral and was very controllable. I was able to hold it from 1" to 2' with no adverse reactions. I believe I created a vortices last time that produced the "reversed lift". I will do as you advise and check my angle of incidence , but I don't think I'll find any problems. I am not use to a tail dragger behaving this way. I had a Sonerai I that wouldn't raise the hail in a hurricane, and I like the ease of the kr2 . Thanks. Tim KR2 N7038V ----- Original Message ----- From: "KRJerry" To: Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:42 PM Subject: Re: KR>KR Testing..and the tail comming up...... .......Tim, It might be TOO simple; but might I suggest that you check your horizontal stab incidence to your wing stubs chordline. If it is over about three degrees, you have a large problem...... KRJerry Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC e-mail: KRJerry@bellsouth.net Website: http://KR-Builder.org -------Original Message------- From: KR builders and pilots Date: Sunday, October 26, 2003 14:40:11 To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>KR Testing ................. That is when something amazing happened, with full up elevator, the tail tied down and brakes applied, at 1/2 throttle,the tail came up! The outer wing panels were not installed and I only had about two gal. of fuel in the header tank. Has this happened to anyone else? I never seen a control surface generate that much lift with full opposite deflection. Tim Bellville KR2 N7038V _______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ._______________________________________________ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:04:14 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "Dan Heath" To: Subject: Re: KR>Newbie questions - Steve McGee Message-ID: <3F9E4D2E.000001.03776@Computer> References: <00f101c39d0e$2b144ec0$0202a8c0@lori8v5h2xi9m3> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: list Message: 8 Steve McGee,=0D =0D RE: =0D =0D 1- What is peel -ply? =0D =0D It is a material that you can purchase in rolls like tape, of different widths, or like you would a bolt of rayon. It is used to lay over your glass and resin lay-up so it can suck up excess resin and give you a smoo= th, "sanded" surface. After your layup cures, you "peel" it off. It helps reduce pin holes, gets rid of a little excess resin, and gives a smooth surface ready for finish or the laying up of more glass.=0D =0D =0D 3- In a taildragger design, how much speed and handling improvements are made with retractable main gear. If anyone has had a chance to fly both.=0D =0D None. I flew my first KR with both and can't proove it, but I think it w= as faster with the fixed gear. You are asking for nothing but trouble with = the old retract. I don't know of anyone who is building that anymore.=0D =0D The other questions are better answered by others on the net.=0D =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From DanRH@alltel.net Tue Oct 28 03:03:25 2003 Received: from mta01.alltel.net ([166.102.165.143] helo=mta01-srv.alltel.net) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AERdE-000Lrd-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 03:03:24 -0800 Received: from Computer ([151.213.92.252]) by mta01-srv.alltel.net with SMTP id <20031028110749.ZPGE4162.mta01-srv.alltel.net@Computer> for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:07:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3F9E4E08.000006.03776@Computer> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:07:52 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (2001155.2001155) From: "Dan Heath" References: <410-220031022841611260@earthlink.net> X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-FVER: X-CNT: ; X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: KR>engine monitor Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Hey Jack, that is what "band width" is for. =0D =0D N64KR=0D =0D Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC=0D =0D DanRH@KR-Builder.org=0D =0D See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering=0D =0D See our KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Click on the pic=0D See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org=0D =20From GAVINANDLOUISE@bigpond.com Tue Oct 28 05:02:43 2003 Received: from mta06bw.bigpond.com ([144.135.24.156]) by lizard.esosoft.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1AETUh-0001Q0-00 for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:02:43 -0800 Received: from oemcomputer ([144.135.24.81]) by mta06bw.email.bigpond.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HNG00J4RXRM1E@mta06bw.email.bigpond.com> for krnet@mylist.net; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:07:07 +1000 (EST) Received: from bph-d2-p-77-220.tmns.net.au ([144.134.77.220]) by bwmam05.bigpond.com(MAM REL_3_3_2d 38/14204614); Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:06:58 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:10:06 +1000 From: Gavin Donohoe To: KR builders and pilots Message-id: <000e01c39d54$de83d020$dc4d8690@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1b3 Subject: KR>Fibreglass X-BeenThere: krnet@mylist.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b3 Precedence: list Reply-To: KR builders and pilots List-Id: KR builders and pilots List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: Hi again, OK so I don't know much about fibreglass yet though I have the feeling that I will soon. I've searched through the instruction book and can't find anywhere where it says what weight glass to use. Can someone give me a list of glass weights for the various areas of the KR2S? And if you could also give me an approx amount to order of each? I know I could work it out easily but so many have done it before !!! Thanks Gav --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:16:02 +1000 From: Gavin Donohoe To: KR builders and pilots Subject: Fw: KR>Fibreglass Message-ID: <002101c39d55$af727240$dc4d8690@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Message: 9 Oh and how much resin should I need?? I'll be using the West System Thanks Gav ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Donohoe" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:10 PM Subject: KR>Fibreglass > Hi again, > OK so I don't know much about fibreglass yet though I have the > feeling that I will soon. I've searched through the instruction book and can't find anywhere where it says what weight glass to use. > Can someone give me a list of glass weights for the various areas of > the KR2S? And if you could also give me an approx amount to order of each? I know I could work it out easily but so many have done it before !!! > > Thanks > Gav > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 > _______________________________________________ > see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:07:57 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Cable To: Brian Kraut , KR builders and pilots Subject: Re: KR>Rudder Cables. Message-ID: <20031028180757.98359.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <30035568.1067296492983.JavaMail.root@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: list Message: 10 Brian, The lowest weight solution / smallest package option is to add a rudder pedal connector (closed loop) cable with 2 pulleys/brackets behind the firewall. So when you step on the toe brakes, the force is evenly distributed through the cable system. Another advantage is that when you push forward on one pedal, the opposite pedal moves aft the same amount. --- Brian Kraut wrote: > I have considered putting a bellcrank right behind > the seat and running the rudder pedals to it then > running cables from the bellcrank to the rudder. ===== Scott Cable KR-2S # 735 Wright City, MO s2cable1@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html End of KRnet Digest, Vol 202, Issue 1 *************************************